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Robert mueller. Could we be getting close to the end of this saga . Both sides appear loaded for bear. The president slamming fired tweets off, saying this and more. The phony witch hunt continues but mueller and his gang of angry dems are only looking at one side, not the other. Wait until it comes out, how horribly of russia, graciously they are treating people, ruining lives for them, refusing to lie. So the big question is when Robert Mueller shows his guards. What will we see . George papadopoulos, the center of lots of injury, now in jail, but he will only be there for a couple of weeks. Despite an exclusive story that says manafort met secretly with Julian Assange, he says this, that its totally false and deliberately libelous. I never met Julian Assange or anyone connected to him. As another character in the saga says that he refused a deal, saying that he simply would not lie about something he did not do and that he would rather rotten jail. Our panel here on all of that in just a moment, but first, Trace Gallagher it says rolling tonight. Hi, trace. Hi, martha. If you look at that Major Players Robert Mueller is focusing on, the common denominator appears to be Julian Assange with the question is who knew assange and who was in cahoots with assange. Lets begin with former campaign trauma Paul Manafort, who the Guardian Newspaper said bent with Julian Assange in 2013, 2015, and most importantly in 202060 in just months before wikileaks released the hacked emails of Hillary Clintons Campaign Chair john podesta. Manaforts at icm are met with assange. Now Robert Muellers investigation is claiming manafort violated his plea deal by lying to them repeatedly related not say about what. Manafort denies lying but could soon be sentenced to decades in prison for his recent tax and bank fraud conviction. Then there is jerome corsi, conservative author and associate of trump confidant roger and stone. The special counsel reportedly has evidence that corsi knew wikileaks had John Podestas emails two months before they were released. Mueller as examining whether corsi passed that information along to roger stone. Remember, that is credible, critical because the podesta email where public on october 7th, 2016, hours after the access hollywood table in public, where donald trump bragged about groping women. For special counsel want to know if there is coordination between roger stone and Julian Assange about when to release podestas damaging emails. Jerome corsi says he did not have insider information. Instead, he connected the dots and theorized that assange had podestas emails. Finally, there is a lowlevel Trump Campaign advisor george papadopoulos, serving a slap on the rest two week prison term in wisconsin for lying about his interaction with russian contacts concerning, among other things, the hacked podesta emails. And today harvard law professor Alan Dershowitz doubled down on his belief that mueller want to be fair. Listen. He is going to produce what he believes will be a devastating attack. He will put together everything. Hes going to use information from manafort and others without necessarily disclosing that they are liars. In the meantime President Trump continues to call the mueller probably witch hunt. But late this afternoon he told the Washington Post that he has no intention of doing anything about the mueller probe. Earlier, press secretary Sarah Sanders says the president is not worried. Watch. I dont think the president has concerns about the report because he knows there was no wrongdoing by him and that there was no collusion. I dont think he has concerns on that front. As to when Robert Mueller wraps up, the smart money is betting on soon. Martha. Martha soon has been soon, you could drive a truck through soon. We will see. Thank you very much. Here now with more tonight, Jonathan Turley, George Washington university constitutional law professor and r. Marc thiessen, Fox News Contributor. And Richard Goodstein, former advisor to bill and Hillary Clinton president ial campaign and a democratic strategist. Gentlemen, thank you to all of you. You are all following this very closely, and there has certainly been some developments on it in the past 24 hours. Jonathan turley, let me start with you. What do you make up what we have learned in terms of manafort and the Mueller Investigation saying that they think that he has been lying to them and it sounds like they feel like they have a lot on him . This is pretty rare when it comes to criminal cases overall. Its not rare when it comes to Robert Mueller. He already has had problems with witnesses who have been involved in plea agreements at one stage or the other. Papadopoulos essentially became hostile to them, even as a cooperating witness come to the point that mueller try to increase his sentencing, which the court rejected. Corsi refused to accept the deal, according to his own account, because he felt that he was being told to lie. This is fairly rare. Usually these are witnesses who are desperate for deals, and really would not risk taking off a prosecutor. So clearly mueller is not getting what he wants. The question is, is he getting enough to get him where he wants to go . Martha so, mr. Goodstein. I know that you dont believe this is wrapping up anytime soon, and nobody knows. But one indicator is that the president has responded to the questions. That was considered to be one of the last elements of all of this. But it does seem that the Mueller Investigation is frustrated with what they are getting, as Jonathan Turley says come out of some of these witnesses. What does that tell you . It tells me really nothing, martha. Go back to all the statements rudy giuliani, the president s lawyer, said a year ago, before christmas last year, about how soon and early 2018, then the middle, then by september 1st. Look, we dont know, the trump people dont know. I attach a zero significance to these written statements that donald trump has submitted. What they say, though, is that he has exceeded to Robert Muellers jurisdiction. He basically is a legitimate special counsel. That is it. Robert mueller what, if donald trump is innocent, why doesnt he sit down, put himself under oath, and say whatever he needed nose to Robert Mueller . That is what an innocent person does. And its in person doesnt make up a story about what happened at the trump tower meeting, for example. Martha you are saying you dont know where this is going and you dont know where the timeline is over, however, you are pretty sure that president did something wrong. Hes acting like somebody who is not incident. That is all im saying. Martha hes acting like somebody was under investigation for two years. He isnt quite sure that he would get a fair steak if he sat down. His lawyers have told him that was probably the the be a peers situation, given the scope of this investigation, which seems to be quite wide. Marc thiessen, and Trace Gallagher set set up a piece, you look to the question of Julian Assange. Its interesting to sort of peel back this investigation and say, what are we talking about here . What are they accusing the president on the campaign of doing . When you get down to the not of it, did Julian Assange and people who were connected to thd figure out a way to release these emails from the clinton campaign, which were actual emails of the concert campaign was writing to each other, by the way, and were not really that terribly damning, when you look at them again. That is the heart of what we are talking about, right . Think about exactly the heart of what we are talking about. The story of Paul Manafort, the reality is, probably every inch of the city of london is covered by cctv. There is video Paul Manafort going and are not going into the Ecuadorian Embassy. That is a fact as to whether he wanted to the Ecuadorian Embassy and met with Julian Assange. That is something that Robert Mueller or someone can find out. But the question is, its not did Paul Manafort meet with assange, did jerome corsi meet with assange, the question is, was donald trump engaged in a criminal conspiracy with russia . Was he connected . It doesnt matter if corsi was connected to a q. Week, it matters that donald trump was. And unless muller can prove that donald trump was somehow engaged in criminal conspiracy with russia, then hes not going to be removed from office, its just that simple. We have to find out what he knows about Donald Trumps behavior and we dont know the answer to that. Martha jonathan . I think that is a very good point. The key line here, legally, is whether mueller can establish that any hacking of the emails was done before the fact with knowledge of Trump Associates or whether they became some type of accomplice afterthefact. The mere allegation that political operatives wanted access to these emails from wikileaks is not a crime. Indeed, the status of wikileaks and getting this material is a greatly debated question. Wikileaks insists they are more of a journalistic organization than the alternative. That may have to be litigated. But in order to really get a clear shot at the president , they need to start with the foundation and the criminal code, and that is going to require either an accomplice before the fact, or afterthefact, but not for someone who simply wants to get access to information may have been reading about for political purposes. There is a crime jonathan knows this. Mr. Jeanette fallone, where you know that a crime has been committed we could talk about what that is there is a long list. And you do nothing to tell the authorities, and you could take steps to conceal it, like, making up a story, a cover story about the trump tower meeting. Martha tell me what the crime is, richard. Its defrauding the United States government and the people of a fair election, 18 usc 371. Have your viewers look it up. And, incidentally, we are not just talking about the russians, we are talking about tax fraud and money laundering, and bank fraud here we go. Martha hold on. You cant you are talking about tax fraud and money laundering. I guess you are pointing to the original charges against Paul Manafort that put them in jail, with regard to its ukrainian connections from a long time before he started working for the president s campaign. Is that correct . How about the hush money that he paid to all of these women . That is a Campaign Finance violation. The list goes on and on. You can laugh about it but it reminds me martha that case at the moment. I think, whenever we have this conversation come i think its important to step back and say, what exactly are we discussing here. And marc, i know that you follow this for a long time and this will be the question. Eventually Robert Mueller is going to go forward with a report and there is no doubt in my mind that whatever is in there, democrats will continue to build the kind of story that Richard Goodstein just laid out, that it doesnt matter if there is no crime there. There is still stuff that is going to allow them to sink their teeth into it for the coming years. This is a huge danger for the democrats. The American People look at this and say, okay, mueller is investigating the possibility of a criminal conspiracy with russia to affect the relation results. If there is evidence of a criminal conspiracy, that is one thing. Donald trump will probably be impeached and could be convicted and assented. If there was no evidence of a conspiracy that trump was involved in with russia but they come up with payoffs to porn stars or Something Like that and i try to impeach him on that martha which could be a campaign violation, which is usually a fine. It wouldnt necessarily be a Campaign Finance violation because he may not it is not an open and shut case. The fact that the president has not testified before mueller, you cannot im not a lawyer but jonathan can confirm this, the fact that you are not willing to testify does not prove that you are guilty. So the idea that somehow i hope that the democrats the nightmare for democrats right now is that mueller comes up with no evidence of a criminal conspiracy with russia about some sort of tangential evidence about Campaign Finance or Something Like that i may go after impeachment anyway because what is going to happen is, there is zero chance that, other than a criminal conspiracy with russia that the twothirds of the senate will convict the president and there will be a huge electoral backlash from the American People, from the trump voters, because they will see this as an effort to invalidate their votes because this was supposed to be our russia. If its about anything other than russia, the president will pay a high price. Martha got to leave it there. Three wonderful guests. Well have you back. Theres a lot a lot of talk about. Thank you very much, all of you. Jerome corsi will actually be on Tucker Carlson tonight, which we all look forward to, should be interesting. 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