>> martha: we've got a big lineup. senate judiciary member john kennedy is standing by and judge andrew napolitano but we begin to time the chief national correspondent ed henry who joins us live from the white house. good evening. >> martha, great to see you. first monday in october, the supreme court opened its new term but only eight justices. senate republican leader mitch mcconnell revealed late this afternoon he will have an upper or down vote later this week to determine whether or not judge brett kavanaugh will be the ninth justice to go to the court and fill it up. that will be determined largely by this fbi investigation that you heard from the president is very much under way. they were working late at night, through the weekend, do you get it done. he said, the president, he is not putting any restrictions on it, despite reports over the weekend to the contrary. in fact, we just learned kavanaugh friend mark judge has talked to the fbi through his lawyer, and his lawyer says the fbi has not finished it yet, though, so maybe they have more questions for mark judge. remember, a deadline of friday was set, not by the president come about by the senators, who cut the deal. republican jeff flake, democrat chris coons, a one-week probe by the fbi to focus on what was said to be current and credible allegations like the charge from dr. christine ford, not necessarily new ones. but chris coons cracked the door open to expanding this by saying in interviews he can't control what new allegations may pop up. sure enough, other unverified chargers are popping up. a "washington post" story quoting a former yale classmate is claiming kavanaugh was a violent drunk by the white house putting out statements from other classmates saying that is. msnbc airing an interview with julie swetnick who claims they were gang rapes in high school even though nbc could not corroborate this information with anyone else. all this coming as mitch mcconnell charge that democrats will try to drag this fbi probe out to be on friday. >> after it runs its course in the next few days, we will then be treated to a lecture, a lecture, that anything short of a totally unfounded fishing expedition of indefinite duration is too limited or too arbitrary, you can practically hear the sounds of the democrats moving the goal posts. >> the white house seems to be micromanaging and history jacketing and investigation that must uncover the facts and evidence. >> that was democrat richard blumenthal. remember, he got a tongue lashing in the rose garden from the president who said he lied about his vietnam war record. the president says he hasn't put the fbi investigation and a straitjacket in the president also said there were other unnamed democrats he'd seen and compromising positions suggesting they had been inebriated. watch. >> my white house will do whatever the senators bond. what they are doing to this man and his family is very, very sad and very bad for our nation. look at blumenthal. he lied about vietnam. he didn't just say, hey, i went to vietnam. for 15 years he said he was a war hero and he is out there saying, we need honesty and we need integrity. i know them. i know them too well. you know what? they are not angels. >> could you tell us who want exactly -- >> no, no. i think i will save it for a book like everybody else. >> then there's arizona prosecutor rachel mitchell, who helped the republican senators asked questions at last thursday's hearing. she's put together a memo for republic and senators who said this is a basically he said-she said and that there is simply several holes in christine ford's story. martha? >> martha: thank you very much. joining me now, louisiana senator john kennedy, who we saw throughout the course of this last week sitting up there on the dais with the judiciary committee and he says he believes judge kavanaugh's denial and he plans to vote for him. senator, thank you very much. good to have you here this evening. so tell me a little bit about your reaction to the latest because as we all knew, if there was a week-long delay, there was likely to be new information and today, we have this interview that was done with julie swetnick, where she was asked about the charge of gang rape that she says happened to her at a party she was at and she claims that she saw mark judge and brett kavanaugh standing in line at similar parties, and you asked directly about this during the hearing. let's play what julie swetnick had to say and i would like your reaction, senator. >> what happened to me is probably the most horrendous, awful thing that could happen to any human being. i cannot specifically say that he was one of the ones who assaulted me. i saw him around the punch -- i wouldn't say bowls, the punch containers, i don't know what he did. but i saw him buy them. >> martha: your reaction, senator? >> this entire thing makes me want to heave. if you think this is about searching for the truth, you ought to put down the bomb. this is not about the truth. this is about gamesmanship and power, political politics. it is just that simple. julie swetnick, there is no corroboration. she says that she attended ten gang rapes at which judge kavanaugh was supposedly involved. she didn't report any of them. she is represented by mr. avenatti, who has done his best to make all of us about mr. avenatti. i don't think anybody in the milky way could be surprised that the democrats are yet again moving the goal posts. there is nothing we can do to get our democratic friends to consider voting for judge kavanaugh. the only way to make them happy is to pull him down and i guess dig up bill douglas and nominate him and anybody else who thinks otherwise is just kidding themselves. look, this is what the democrats say. they say that brett kavanaugh is a rich, drunk, lying, sexual predator. he's been through six fbi background checks, each of which is a cross between an endoscopy and colonoscopy and none of this was turned up. now he is going through the seventh one, which the democrats demanded, and we are not even halfway through probably and now they are unhappy with that. give me a break. i mean, i think -- the people up here in washington, the cosmopolitan cultured crowd, they think the american people are stupid. the american people have figured this out, regardless of what they think about judge kavanaugh. they figured this out. >> martha: i'm curious about what you think, i know that you think that they are both going to happen this weekend we have heard that they are going through these investigations fairly quickly in the place that appears to be happening. what do you think senator joe manchin will do? what do you think your fellow senators will do? what you think senator donnelly will do when it comes down to an actual vote? >> i don't know. but it's time for senators to be senators. and to grow some guts. and to woman up or man up and cast a vote. and the longer we wait, the more allegations are going to come out. now there is a professor down in north carolina, at north carolina state, he says that judge kavanaugh drink excess. some of his other classmates said he didn't. keep in mind, this was 40 years ago -- >> martha: we have that, it's a quick spot. let's take a listen to it so everybody knows what you are referring to. >> his past actions on national television, especially while speaking under oath in front of united states senate, i believe those lies should have consequences. it is truth that is at stake and i believe that the ability to speak the truth even when it does not reflect well upon oneself is a paramount quality we seek in our nation's most powerful judges. >> you never saw him pass out? >> i never saw him pass out but i saw him quite drunk. >> martha: there you have it. >> i'm going to stand by what i said two weeks ago. this is a freak show. enter galactic freak show. it's a grotesque carnival. it's only going to get worse. i am embarrassed for the united states senate. we have hit bottom and started to dig. >> martha: let me ask you about your colleague, senator flake. he made a number of appearances after friday, on "60 minutes," did an event in central park in new york where he talked to the crowd about maybe i have seen you in the elevator, referring to the women who were confronting him in the elevator, he did another appearance in boston. what do you make of all that? >> jeff is going to have to vote his conscience. and he and senator coons got together and decided that we needed a delay. i have yet to hear senator coons, who is a good friend of mine, i have a world of respect for him, but i haven't yet -- i will bet you right now about how chris votes on this nomination finally. i just don't think there is anything that we can do to get democratic votes. i don't. maybe joe manchin, maybe heidi heitkamp come but i think everybody has drawn their conclusion. i mean, kavanaugh has been through six, no fbi background checks. >> martha: that sounds like you don't have the numbers to vote, to bring him in. >> i really don't know. but i do think this, this isn't like wine, it's not going to get better with time, and it's time for everybody to woman up and man up and be a senator and cast your vote in front of god and country. i am fully trust to be fbi, i want to wait and see what they turn up, but i have a feeling that they are going to do just what we have already done, just what they did six previous times, and by the way, it keeps getting lost in this, of the senate judiciary investigators did a full investigation. all the fbi is going to redo what they have already done. >> martha: the senate has subpoena power. this fbi investigation is not, correct? >> it's never going to be enough. when we finish with the fbi investigation, the democrats will argue, well, they're going to argue he doesn't have the demeanor. well, they called him a rich, drunk, longing, sexual predator. and the man took offense to that. and they say as a result he doesn't have the demeanor to get on -- to be in the supreme court? they must really think the american people are stupid. >> martha: senator kennedy, thank you. always good to have you with us. thank you, sir. >> thank you. >> martha: andrew napolitano, fox news sr. traditional analyst joins me. you can hear the exasperation in his voice. it's all over the place. >> i think he, perhaps a more colorful language than a lot of his colleagues, nevertheless, represents the feel of most republicans in the senate at this point. there's not much more they can do. i have a lot of faith in the fbi, even if they are just doing this and for five days. i understand there's a lot of fbi agents out there, the president was speaking truthfully that they are working around the clock on this. they are not political, they couldn't care less about republicans or democrats. they probably are indifferent to whether or not judge kavanaugh is confirmed. their goal is just to extract evidence and witnesses and presented to the white house. we want what you think about what james comey said? he thought it was idiocy to try to put a clock on the fbi. >> i agree with james comey but it does appear as though they did half full, or will have had, the time to complete this by the end of the week. i was very gratified when the president said today, let them go wherever they want, within reason. of course within reason. but the professor from north carolina, he should be interviewed. the fbi doesn't form a judgment, they are the best interrogators in the western world. they know how to cross-check. they know how to present questions that will test the truthfulness of the person giving the answer. >> martha: they will turn this information to the senate judiciary committee, to the senators, who have already done a lengthy investigation. one of the things that they have been pushing hard on is to try to prove that he blacked out. if they can prove he blacked out from drinking even once, i guess you can say perhaps he blacked out during these events? >> no. i think that their goal is to prove that he blacked out and thereby misled the congress because misleading the congress -- >> martha: there are two sides to it. >> of course there are two sides. first of all, blacking out as a student -- i don't want to get in trouble for saying this -- it's not a crime, it's not a good thing, but it's not a crime. but misleading congress about that can be. >> martha: the reason he was pressed on that issue was if he had ever blacked out from drinking, they are think that it's possible that you don't remember these events. that is the whole reason for that question. >> ] are they going to vote not to confirm him on the basis of possibilities or probabilities? anything is possible, which is why we are going through this fbi -- >> martha: you could say anyone who has ever blacked out from drinking potentially committed a crime. >> i think the fbi examination will actually help him. i think it will give cover to the senators that you asked about, democrats, moderate democrats, running in states where the president carried, which the president carried handily into thousand 16, this will give them the cover. we got the extra fbi and they didn't find anything new so i'm going with this. >> martha: very interesting. joe donnelly on friday i think that he was a "no" than over the weekend he started to say he was a may be. i gotta believe he is getting a lot of calls. >> perlis for judge kavanaugh because this investigation should have taken before he was testifying under oath. >> martha: great to see you. fox news alert in a very busy night. president trump taking the stage in tennessee amid the kavanaugh confirmation chaos. we will take you there live nex next. >> rebuilding america -- ♪ ld friend. a new beginning. some welcome relief... or a cause for celebration. ♪ what's inside? 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>> there has never been a trade deal as bad as nafta. nafta has killed us, our stupid politicians have killed us. we will terminated until a brand-new and productive deal can be signed. >> we are working very hard to make sure that our neighbor to the south recognizes how good nafta is. >> no nafta deal is better than a bad nafta deal, and we are going to remain firm on that principal. >> canadians, we are polite, we are reasonable come book but we also will not be pushed around pushed around. >> martha: president trump making good on a campaign pledge to ditch nafta, announcing what he calls a historic transaction, allowing u.s. dairy farmers to gain access to the canadian market. he spoke about it moments ago at the rally in tennessee. >> is the largest trade deal the united states has ever negotiated and it's also a great deal for our country. it's going to produce jobs and companies aren't going to be leaving and firing everybody and making product and sending it back into the united states, no tax. >> martha: the dow liked it come up almost 200 points by joining me now, steve helton, a host of "the next revolution" on the fox news channel, and author of the new book "the positive populist." good to see you tonight. >> how are you doing, martha? >> fascinating to watch this unfold because what we have heard is that the president will ruin all of our relationships with the allies, all the countries around the world, these trade tariffs putting in place were going to hurt the economy dramatically and we have seen, there has been things here and there for sure. what we are starting to see is that there are bilateral relationships coming together and in this case, a trilateral deal as we know the president wanted to break these down and do them individually. how is this working in your opinion? >> this is a really, really clear plan coming into play step-by-step. the first thing we should say, as you have shown, this is a very clear and specific campaign promise. it's good for democracy when politicians deliver their promises, that gives people faith the political system works. on the specifics of the deal, it is very good particularly for the dairy industry, also for the car industry as you said, also protects intellectual property for american companies. it's all around a good deal in itself. the real significance, i think, is that it tells the world that actually this trade strategy, this new disruptive trade strategy for an president trump is not just bluster and tweeting and having a go at the old regime. it's really serious and if you get down and negotiate, you can get a good deal. the further, final point is that the people who will be really worried by this is trying to because they will see that step-by-step, the president is now doing deals with allies, canada, mexico, next perhaps the e.u. or japan. that will be one big alliance against the real threat, which is trying to. >> martha: that raises an interesting question. obviously we have had billions of dollars in trade sanctions going against china. obviously not happy about it. we have been sort of pushing back a little bit militarily with presence in the south china sea. this is such a multilateral battle that we face with china but jim mattis' trip there was just canceled. what kind of signal you think that sense? >> i think it is a signal of strength. for far too long we've had this attitude in this country, and this has been true under democratic administrations as well as republican ones, that you just got to deal with china, got to engage with china, if we are nice to them, then they will improve their record on human rights and they will stop their plan to basically take over the world, which they have set out, they have a simple plan that they have said, by the 100th year anniversary of the peoples in public, they want to be dominant militarily, technologically, and economically. the truth is, being nice to them hasn't stopped them. you gotta stand up to them and so i am really pleased to see that we are being tough, not just on trade, but on military matters. i think we need to go further. >> martha: real quick, he accused them of meddling in our election with regard to hurting our farmers essentially. >> yeah, this is good. we got to -- everyone goes on about russia but china is the real threat, the economy is so much stronger, and they have been hacking and meddling for years. they hacked into our government system, stole all that personal information, and so while the whole of the political establishment and the swamp is obsessed with russia, they have taken our eye off the ball, and the trump administration at least is not that focused on the real threat and that is china and standing up to that aggression. >> martha: we'll see how they view the nafta deal and as you say perhaps some others along the way as well in assessing whether or not they can do it. also interesting because the president canceled pompeo's trip to north korea and that sort of grease to the wheels are better. now this gym mattis trip is canceled. it will be interesting to see what the response from china is. steve, great to see you. >> good to see you, martha. >> martha: coming up in a moment, senator elizabeth warren, did you flip? a new video surfaced by some say reveals democrats true motives behind the whole kavanaugh controversy. >> [unintelligible audio] this p. that last place was pretty nice. i don't like this whole thing. dad, what happened? where's rosie? i let her go. wow! you going to help me finish this thing or what? i think we can do better. change is hard, dad. try to keep an open mind. come on, dad. this is for me, son? so, you going to help me finish this thing or what? principal. we can help you plan for that. ♪ >> martha: massachusetts senator elizabeth warren seeming to revel in democrats' end goal and the nomination of brett kavanaugh. watch this. >> [unintelligible audio] >> martha: ic. so that his war and finally admitting that she will take a hard look at running for the white house in 2020, which she has pushed back on. joining me now is hurt challenger, geoff diehl. good to have you with us this evening, sir. what is your reaction to what she said? that was quite interesting. >> elizabeth warren has been acting like no better than those obstructionist activists that were in the senate elevator. she was in a before brett kavanaugh's name was pulled out of the house, she's been inflating the video to try to make him look bad, fund raised off the victim's story, uncorroborated story. now she has used this assault on due process to make an announcement that she wants to run for the white house. something that we have gone for over a year in massachusetts, but she has never been focused on massachusetts, she is using this whole senate confirmation process as a way to try to introduce herself to the nation as of the next candidate for president in 2020. >> martha: let me ask you this. i think it's very interesting when you listen to what she said there. she essentially said that this woman, as she puts it, when she refers to dr. christine ford, has given us an opportunity, politically, she says, to democrats, it opens a door and now we have this ability to use this to achieve our goal. here's what kevin mccarthy said that got him in a lot of hot water during the benghazi days. watch this. >> everybody thought hillary clinton was unbeatable, right? but we put together a benghazi special committee, a select committee, what are her numbers today? her numbers are dropping. why? because she is on trustable. no one would have known any of that had happened -- >> i agree. >> martha: he said we used the benghazi committee to achieve a goal. she said the same thing. when he said, democrats were up in arms at how he could be so cold and calculating. how come they are not responding to what she said, if they don't like these situations to be used politically? >> the fact is elizabeth warren is using this. there is no presumption of innocence for her in the case of brett kavanaugh. this is a chance for her to try to make political bonus points for herself in an effort to get to the far progressive left-wing nomination for 2020. she is, again, ignoring massachusetts in the process. she has never been working for our state, she clearly doesn't care about working for our state for the next two years if she runs for the white house. she is an opportunist of the highest degree. >> martha: you got a tough battle on your hands. you are down about 26 points in the most recent poll. how do you hope to close that gap in 36 days? >> the same polling company had me neck and neck with my trigger primary opponents. i want mark to: michael and fred scott brown at 30 points against him when he first ran against martha coakley in 2010. same polling company. no surprise. we have numbers that show we are leading with elizabeth warren with independence. that is where this race will be won. >> martha: we'll be watching. geoff diehl, things or bring with us. coming up, should there be a law against making an anonymous accusations of sexual assault? charles hurt and jessica tarlov on a very interesting development in california, that means the settlements be illega illegal? ♪ fi want a performance car that actually fits your life? introducing the new 2019 ford edge st. capability meets power. in the first suv from the ford performance team. the new 2019 ford edge st. so let's promote our falle a homecomingtravel dealame, on choicehotels.com like this. touchdown. earn a free night when you stay just twice this fall. or, badda book. badda boom. book now at choicehotels.com the full value oft wyour new car? 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>> they have both condemned the ads, but now even a progressive group is calling up on the democratic congressional campaign committee to immediately withdraw its support from gil cisneros. >> martha: joining us now, charlie hurt, jessica tarlov. both are fox news contributors. california first. what do you think about outlying secret settlements? >> i am all in favor about far more openness in court and court settlements. but this seems really kind of insane because first of all, i don't know that the courts can guarantee that they will keep victims' identities secret. we saw what happened was dianne feinstein trying to keep a victim identity secret. but the real problem i think is what will end up happening, and i don't know why sex crime advocates -- victim advocates would be in favor of something like this -- because all this does is, no aggressor is going to agree to these stipulations and so all it is going to do is force all these cases out into the open and my understanding is that that is not where most of the victims of these things want to argue these cases. >> it does add another level of trauma to it. everyone who has been a victim certainly has a right to decide if they want to be public about it or keep it private. i think that what california is trying to do, governor jerry brown, trying to leave a legacy behind of being the state with the strongest advocacy for victims of sexual assault. i applaud him for that. but it is a tricky situation when you are demanding that one party, the person who has been accused of this, their name absolutely become public. but the accuser's is private. >> martha: i think it would force the accused to have a public process. that is the name that is going to be shared. >> it could lead to more of a complication like we are saying right now with judge brett kavanaugh and dr. ford who didn't want her name to become public but did want something to be done about this. we do know that we may need more in their contracts to make sure that they are not going to be penalized for filing sexual harassment or sexual assault charges that matches what governor brown is trying to do with a number of bills that went through. >> martha: we are almost out of time. she wrote this very long letter about what she described as a really uncomfortable situation. she thought he was offering sex for the money of the campaign. and then she said, no, that's not what happened. >> i certainly wasn't there, i don't know what happened. >> martha: what happened to the elevator, charlie? >> it sounds like the same thing -- agreement that wouldn't be allowed to be made under this new law, that jerry brown just signed. >> there are a lot of liberal groups who are strongly against those who are maintaining that there could have even been pressure because she said, we talked it out. no one has a recording of the conversation, no one knows if there was another layer of abuse that went on there where he said something like i will ruin your life if you keep going with this. she retracted it and maybe should get the donation out of it, maybe doesn't. >> martha: that would be ugly. >> i don't know if that is what happened. none of us were on the phone or in the veil elevator but there are so many different angles to how these go, and it so complicated and harmful on both sides now. you have to be aware that anything could have gone on. >> the thing that is most disturbing about the situation was dianne feinstein and dr. ford, and that situation, there was a process in place to keep her identity secrets, and look into the allegations seriously and then everybody that makes a decision is in charge of making a decision on that committee, what about all the information they needed to know. instead what we got was a guy gets dragged through the mud and a woman gets -- >> if they had questions, there would have been anonymous allegations, we do have these allegations -- >> martha: the regular senate judiciary process of dealing with that information, sharing it with no name attacks. >> instead everybody gets blown up. >> martha: thank you. coming up next, if brett kavanaugh does go down, does due process go down with him? 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it is a very hot topic because i've heard a lot on both sides of us so we brought in a panel of moms raising young men and women. welcome to all of you. >> thank you very much. >> martha: this idea that moms of sans worry that perhaps if their son is innocent and the current environment, he may not have a chance at fairness. does that ring true for any of you? >> yes. >> it does. >> martha: let's start here. >> it does. we are looking at this, i had my son sit and watch most of the kavanaugh hearing, and as i said to him, as parents, we are always trying to monitor our children to leave exemplary lives. here we have judge kavanaugh who has led an exemplary life, and up until three weeks ago, he was known as a judges judge, and now democrats are trying to convincd unblemished life, except for those two years he was running around town drugging and gang raping women. it's based on uncorroborated evidence. here is a woman who have made a charge against this particular judge, and she can't even remember what happened two months ago when asked whether or not she gave her test -- her therapy nosed to "the washington post," she couldn't remember. that was just two months ago and you still can't remember? >> martha: you have a boy and girl, and talk to me a little bit about what you would say to them. just imagine for a moment that your son is accused of something like this, and you feel that he is innocent. >> i can speak as a mom but i also happen to be a criminal defense lawyer and this is not a criminal trial. a denomination for a supreme court, the highest court in the nation, and there has to be a probing process. this is a judge, a conservative majority is now at the supreme court and this judge will have the opportunity -- >> martha: as a mom. how would you feel if you felt your son was falsely accused? you are very familiar with the criminal process. you look at for instance the duke case or uva, there are times, and is not the majority of times, but there are times when this happens. does that concern you as a mom of a young boy? >> as a mother, i would want there to be due process, i would want to make sure that there was a fair investigation. i would want to make sure that every witness -- >> that is not happening here. >> martha: that's all that i was saying in this tweet that got a lot of people fired up, wouldn't you want people to know that he was being treated fairl fairly? >> as a mother of a daughter -- >> we have watched this unfold. he has not been treated fairly. as you said, this guy didn't fall out of the sky, he has it right into the top, investigation after investigation, we know who he ie was nominated by our president and that is what it is. >> then why not go through another investigation? >> because the goal of democrats is not for the truth. if the truth is what democrats want that then i want to know where the democrats are on keith ellison dragging his girlfriend -- >> martha: i want to hear from melissa. >> i think this is a great teachable moment for all of our children, for our boys to live a life above reproach and do have this investigation and absolutely, go through the investigation, but also for the women, for our daughters to know that we believe you, and this may have happened to you, and we want to investigate this, so they can come forward, they can feel safe coming forward. >> that's exactly the way i feel, is right now my focus is on dr. ford. she came out speaking and sharing her life. she didn't have to do that. something about this triggered what happened to her -- >> she doesn't know how she got there, she doesn't know how she left, she doesn't even know where -- as a woman, we deserve to be heard. >> is a mom who has -- i have gone through this -- >> martha: two boys enter girl girls. >> i have gone through similar paths, there are things that just, your brain just surprises, and it comes out later on in life. just want to go through life and it comes out. so -- >> i completely understand that. do your situation, i completely understand that. i believe women should be heard. everyone should be heard. but i also believe that we are not to be believed simply because we are women and in this country, we are a land of law. >> why are we having this conversation? this is the same thing the democrats have done forever. it's the same thing. this man is a constitutionalist, that is a check against them. you mentioned that right away, this means he will. he is going to the process, as you said, judges judge, everyone loves him until he was nominated by donald trump, all of a sudde sudden. >> martha: just want to say one thing about the issue of justice, which is supposed to be blind. to me this looks like the evidence, regardless of gender. i don't believe all women and i don't believe all men asking to treat these situations different. it's not a big sweeper were all women are bright and all men are wrong. >> democrats who have come on, without even these meetings on dr. ford that they believe her. >> martha: we'll see you tomorrow. tucker carlson is up next in d.c. ♪ >> tucker: good evening and welcome to "tucker carlson tonight." we have some pretty interesting news out of the state of minnesota for you this evening. member's member keith ellison has been accused of physical abuse by his former girlfriend, a woman called karen monahan. she said that in the middle of a domestic argument congressman director of the bed while screaming while screaming obscenities at her. she's had this happened just two years ago in 2016. we can't say whether karin's story is correct or if you weren't there. we do know that these are serious allegations and they are specific and recent and made against a powerful

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