Transcripts For FOXNEWSW The Story With Martha MacCallum 201

Transcripts For FOXNEWSW The Story With Martha MacCallum 20180717

Criticism he believes is wrong. So first of all, the president said he misspoke when he talked about whether or not russia would have been involved in meddling. He said i meant to say that they would have been, not that they wouldnt have been. How does that register with you . Do you think that washes . I thought all along that because we have conflated two sort of Different Things in the Mueller Investigation that the president s reaction is typically because he sees the Mueller Investigation as an accusation of collusion, that somehow the president colluded with the russians and is another aspect of the investigation that has to do with who hacked into Hillary Clintons emails and who released those to the public. I think those are two sort of completely different aspects, but they are in the same investigation. So i think his instinct is to push back and say there was no collusion, i was never involved with russia, which i believe to be true, and i think there has been a partisan witch hunt to go after him to try to say somehow there was collusion with russia. That is separate from whether or not russia actually hacked into Hillary Clintons emails, which i think he accepts and i think was some somewhat muddled in te initial press conference comments. Martha john brennan came out and said the president S Performance was treasonous in his opinion. There is the president responding to john brennan in an interview that will air later tonight with tucker carlson. Watch. I think hes a very bad guy and if you look at it, a lot of things happened under his watch. I think hes a very bad person. Martha your thoughts on that senator . I agree completely. I think hes completely unhinged and you see him now calling the president treasonous and what should worry every american is john brennan was in charge of the cia, the most powerful intelligence Gathering Group on the planet. They can absorb every bit of information you can imagine, your phone calls, your metadata, your bank records, your visa records. They can destroy any persons life. The person at the head of that turns out to be a very much partisan, a trump hater and very much just someone who is a trump hater, i guess thats the best way to put it. But i really am worried that he was head of the cia for so long harboring all of that bias. Martha let me ask you this, because you are concerned about all of that, and i know you are, that is one of the big concerns as we move forward because dan coats has said that he believes that the attempt to metal in the Midterm Election is probably more intense than it was during the president ial election, so it almost feels like perhaps rather than kind of revisiting and rehashing what happened in the last 24 hours, we need to make sure that our Cyber Security is stronger. That feels like something with the president could really be coming out very strongly on that that Michael Moore to to actual policy and fixing things than fixing a weak performance in helsinki. This has been exactly my point. The integrity of the election is the most important thing and what we should do is learn that countries do hack into elections and try. This isnt the first time. From Carnegie Mellon university and said the usa tried to get involved with 80 different elections over the last 50 years. The soviet union has, china does. So the rules that we should learn, the moral we should learn from this is we need to protect our elections and there are a lot of things we could discuss, but people are so intent about making this about their hatred that we are talking but really what we should do. Martha very true. We should decentralize the elections. They are already decentralized. We should ensure that they remain decentralized, that there is a paper trail for every precinct, that there is a republican and a democrat judge, there is supposed to be. The signs off on the precinct returns and if the vote was 1,000 to 800, by the time that gets into a computer system, someone could always call back and say what was the vote signed off on and do you have a piece of paper to verify that vote . Martha i think thats the biggest point. I also want to bring up one more thing. To that end, if the fbi is so concerned, as they should be, with figuring out meddling in the United States elections, you would think that they would have wanted to get their hands on the actual dnc server. Theres a lot set about this because the president brought it up the other day and a democrat i had on last night said that didnt matter they didnt have the server. Watch this moment between congressman will hurd and james comey. So director, fbi notified the dnc early before any information was put on wikileaks and when you still have never been given access to any of the technical or the physical machines that were hacked by the russians. Thats correct, although we got the forensics from the pros that they hired, best practice always to get access to the machines themselves but this, my folks told me it was an appropriate substitute. Martha what do you say to that . You are taking the word of someone else who has investigated it. I would think the police would only take the word of themselves when they actually investigate and look to the servers. I dont think theres any excuse for them not having done their job better and the thing is is a lot of the stuff is more complicated than people would think. When youre trying to trace who actually hacked into it because there are people who can actually put the type of fingerprint on what they are doing to make themselves look like someone else. They can make them, by going through several different servers, obscure where they are actually coming from so i dont think its always is black and white when we say so and so did this hacking or didnt and i think it would be very important that the fbi should have looked directly at the democrat servers. Martha i can see people being concerned about some of what they saw yesterday, but if this happens again and you point out north korea, china, theres a lot of bad actors out there, that would be real genuine embarrassment that the United States should be very concerned about. Senator, thank you sir. Always good to have you with us. Thanks. Martha here now, bill bennett, host of the bill bennett podcast and former secretary of education, also in Fox News Contributor. Good to have you here tonight, good evening to you, sir. What did you think did you watch this whole press Conference Live yesterday . I did. Martha what was your Immediate Reaction . How did you feel when it was over . My Immediate Reaction was there were a couple of big mistakes there that he needs to explain and the two of them were the equivalents, the suggestion of equivalence between what his reports he was getting from the Intelligence Community and what putin was saying in the second one was that who he would believe. The question that he clarified today. So i was bothered by it. Thought he needed to clean it up. I think he cleaned it up today, but the amazing thing to me is the lynch mob mentality. People are just going crazy. Ive heard some people compare this to kristallnacht in germany, to pearl harbor and there was even 9 11 suggestion that this was the parallel. A senator paul talking about john brennan calling it treason. By the way, one can understand a certain reluctance on the part of the president to bless the intelligence agencies, given his experience with the fbi, with comey, mccabe and john brennan was the head of the cia. Look, he said today, he tried to clear it up today, he basically admitted error. Some people say i dont believe it, i believe what he said yesterday. The real test is what hes done. What is his policy . And his policy has been very tough on russia. Putin said yesterday that he would have supported trump for president or did support them. Why would you support a very for president who want to increase the american military, strengthen the hand of nato, do what President Trump is done, which is given Missile Defense to poland. Given lethal aid to the ukraine, thrown out Russian Diplomats left and right. Russian mercenaries have been killed because of our actions in syria. That to me is the test. Its better to have your talk and your language consistent with your actions. But actions do speak louder. Martha this next question, what happens now . Heres a quote from the wall street journal. By going soft on mr. Putin, they wrote, mr. Trump will paradoxically find it even harder to make deals with the russians. You have to look back at the whole goal of this meeting. To open dialogs. The president has said since day one that he believes that a better relationship with russia will strengthen the United States in the end and strengthen our forces around the world if they can agree on some things, but didnt make it harder for him to do exactly that . It seems to me that now hes going to have to be tougher than ever on russia and on putin in order to sort of stiff and those, so to speak. Good question, martha. Maybe it made it a little tougher but i think it Still Matters more what he does. One other thing i would mention, and this came up in the press conference, they talked about gas and oil and we know that russia is basically a gas station, an economy with one product and putin said its very important that those prices dont plummet. Whys it so important . If they plummet, russia is out of business. If we start exporting natural gas at a great rate, which we are beginning to do, that is a very tough measure and it will be hard for the president to do that and for american industry to do that and i suspect he will. I think putin is whistling in the dark hoping that maybe that nice talk will carry over into action. Martha they were talking about the deal with germany to bring that pipeline through and is centrally in criticizing that deal when he was in europe, the president was sort of opening up that question and saying and he said this in the News Conference and as you say it didnt get a lot of attention, he said that we can provide that service too and may the best person win. Which i thought was a fascinating moment. Hes basically saying we will compete on natural gas. And you are so right. Energy, they are a onetrick pony, that economy and that is all they have. Right. Martha one other thing i want to ask you about just going back to the intelligence agencies for a moment because i couldnt help but think watching all of this and watching how problematic it has been in so many ways, you have to ask yourself if john brennan and james comey had given the Trump Campaign a defensive briefing on all of this, which they consider doing, going to them and saying heres what we know, heres what we are concerned about, we wouldnt be here today discussing any of this most likely. So they are to blame in that sense. Thats right. There was a history of inaction during the Obama Administration. All that ever happened between the Obama Administration and the Putin Administration was the reset button and that was spurred by obama that he would be more flexible. Didnt get nearly any of the attention that this thing got and that was really quite an extraordinary moment. You are absolutely right. And this explains i think where the president is reluctant to do full embrace. But he did fully embrace this afternoon of dan coats and the Intelligence Community. The only thing i would like to add or suggest is that he say this better not happen in 2018 or we will send more liquefied natural gas and we will send more, build more missiledefense and we will build our military even more. Those of the real threats to putin, not some words, misplaced or not at a press conference. Martha i think thats a great point. If that is the sort of carrot and stick. We are not going to have these meetings anymore if we see any meddling in the 2018 election, you will be cut off and isolated, which is exactly what they dont want. If the actions from here forward are going to be incredibly important as everybody judges this relationship. Thank you, always good to see you. Thanks for being here tonight. Thank you. Martha coming up, maria butina, shes 29 years old and shes an American University grad. 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The fats call it an russian influence operation in which maria butina was given a mission of establishing unofficial lines of communication with u. S. Politicians and political organizations. Among those organizations, the National Rifle association. Butina, who is 29, was arrested sunday. She is charged with conspiracy and acting as an unregistered agent of the russian government. The case against her is complicated and the Court Documents are sometimes deliberately vague about the people or organizations with whom butina is alleged to have made contact. But investigators appear to be focusing on her contacts with the nra and the republican party. Butina, by the way, studied in washington from 2015 to 2017 and in 2015 she attended a libertarian event in las vegas and asked bencandidate trump about his view of russia. Do you want to continue the politics of sanctions that are damaging of both economies . I believe i would get along very nicely with putin, okay . And i mean, where we have the strength. I dont think you need to sanctions. I think that we would get along very, very well. Butina was directed by a crime unofficial to attend two National Prayer breakfast meetings and to organized russianamerican friendship and dialogue dinners in washington. Butinas attorney Robert Driscoll flatly denies his client was a russian agent, because the charger is overblown and says the charging papers describe nothing more than a conspiracy to have dinner and shake hands with various americans at events open to the public. He says as though it is somehow unlawful, unlawful for a Foreign National student in the United States to develop a personal, professional or networking relationship with an american. Martha, butina is currently being held in jail. She is due back in court for another hearing tomorrow. Martha very interesting. Jonathan, thank you very much. Here now with more, jack barsky. A former kgb spy and author of deep undercover my secret life and tangled allegiances as kgb spy in america. Welcome back. Good to have you back on the program two nights in a row. Good to be back. Martha what you make of this . Is she a spy, what we would call a spy . I would think so, ill, albeit most likely an amateur, because i understand she communicated via twitter and emails. A trained operator wouldnt do that. But you ask an interesting question a while ago, how many of them are there . Thats an excellent question, because there could be a lot. Youve got to understand one thing. If you are in this kind of an oligarchy that russia is. If you are somebody, you are somebody because you are all

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