so you can say what you want, but that's the way it is. i think there is blame on both sides. >> martha: so the struggle that he is talking about is still playing out across the south in ways like this. will tearing down monuments heal or hurt in the long run? we're going to cover the fierce debate throughout the hour tonight. ben shapiro, mollie hemingway and jehmu greene will talk about the president and all of that that it entails. also the president did speak today about his strategist, steve bannon. >> i like mr. bannon. he's a friend of mine. but, mr. bannon came on very late. you know that. i went through 17 senators, governors, and i won all the primaries. mr. bannon came on very much later than that. >> martha: what is the meaning in that statement today from the president? the man who helped him win the white house in part be the in connection with to go? we will get to that ahead. but we want to start tonight with another important update on a story that was dominant in recent days. and the story was that the president may have taken a brink of war with north korea. so days later kim jong un appears to have backed down. and, yet today at that news conference that you just saw it was not one question about that. trace gallagher live in our west coast newsroom tonight with the breaking details. trace? >> martha, for the time being, it appears kim jong un has backed away from launching missiles and is back to launching insults saying that he is now watching the foolish and stupid conduct of the yankees and that, quote, the u.s. should stop once arrogant provocations against the dprk and unilateral commands and not provoke it any longer. although kim the younger is saying he is reserving the right to change course and, quote, ring the wind pipes of the yankees. why he decided to back pedal is unclear. experts say two reasons one the rhetoric, not the fire and fury comments made by the president last week but the more tempered comments he and his national security team made this weekend, including an op-ed thi in the "wall street journal" coauthored by secretary of state rex tillerson and secretary of state james mattis that appeared to dial things down a notch. experts say the second reason kim backed down is china, which is north korea's only ally and main trading partner. yesterday china banned the import of north korea's most lucrative products, including coal, iron, lead, and seafood. and china wasn't just threatening the north's economy. here is former u.s. ambassador to the u.n. john bolton. watch. >> i think the north koreans, in particular, paid attention to what the chinese said indirectly a few days ago, that if the united states retaliated against the north korea attack, they would stand back. so, in other words, north korea, if you go after guam or something else and the u.s. comes after you, you are on your own. >> analysts say south korea also played a part in the dial down by reit's rating its belief that there will be no attack on north korea unless seoul gives the go ahead. martha? >> martha: trace, thank you. more here tonight lieutenant michael walt green beret commander. and author of eternal -- good to have you here. michael waltz, let me start with you. does it appear that what the white house did here worked? >> well, martha, finally someone stood up to the school yard bully and punched back. and i think what we've seen for decades here is that the north koreans weren't used to that look at the recent op-ed from former national security advisor susan rice who said we need to get used to it. we need to accept that north korea is going to have a nuclear arsenal and be able to hold the region and the united states hostage. so i think that was incredibly effective. but, we cannot get complacent. we cannot rest on our laurels. we have to maintain pressure on china. the north koreans are very good at ratcheting up tensions and then ratcheting them down and staying just below that threshold of war, meantime they are buying time to improve their icbms to get more mobile launchers to go from liquid fuel to solid fuel, which means they can launch faster and even develop a submarine capability. so we have to keep the pressure up. >> martha: i mean it's clear that this is far from over. but, jamie, let me turn to you because i can't remember a time when we saw this sort of dynamic where you have china banning some of the major imports that north korea sends to them. and that combination with the threat that china says we don't have your back. if they come after you, we don't have your back. that's different. >> it's not that different. basically, the united states lost this exchange with north korea over the last week. think about it where were we one week ago? we already had five rounds of sanctions by the united states against -- and the u.n. against north korea. now we have a sixth. very much a continuation of the policy. north korea was never attack guam. so we have had this whole exchange where the president of the united states comes down for the first time ever comes down to the rhetorical level of the leader of north korea and we're hurling insults back and forth. and then at the end of the week, people are saying oh it's this big victory that north korea didn't attack guam. they were never going to do that because that would be suicidal. they have known that for 70 years. i don't know why people are saying north korea blinked because north korea won this exchange and we will see what happens next. >> martha: michael, what do you think about that? >> frankly, i disagree. you know, look, the north koreans are used to this kind of passive approach. look, the entire world over the last 8 years was used to a passive approach, whether it was russia. whether it was putin. you know, you name it. they were used to basically the united states back pedaling and i think at this point we made a stand and we took a stand. and i think it took the president of the united states to make that -- to have that kind of shock and awe rhetoric so to speak to change the chinese calculus and change the north korean calculus. until this point the chinese and the north koreans believe that they have to have an arsenal in order to basically for the regime to survive. now, i think there is a growing question in that part of the world on whether if they get an arsenal will they survive and the chinese, i hope, you know, it remains to be seep because they have played us before. but the chinese may now be seeing the north koreans as more of a problem than they're worth. but we have to maintain the pressure. they have both done this before. >> martha: both things are true. i don't think we have seen this behavior from china in quite this way. and we also know that the game will continue and it goes on. but has the chess board shifted a little bit in this dynamic? and that may be something that is due to the moves that we have seen from the trump administration. so, in terms of iran, quick thought on that. jamie, rouhani has said he would turn the power back on to the iranian nuclear program in a heart beat if we file through with the sanctions. >> the united states is pushing forward with sanctions because north korea or, i mean, sorry, because iran has violated u.n. security council resolutions on ballistic missiles. >> martha: shocking. >> if iran chooses to withdraw from the nuclear accord, that's their decision and then the sanctions will automatically slap back. and so that is something that is up to them to take that decision if they do, there will be consequences. >> martha: michael, quick thought. >> look, the iranians can't have it both ways. on the one hand they want their ballistic missile program, the american hostages that they have taken, the terrorism they are supporting across the region to be outside of the nuclear agreement. but on the other hand, when we start holding them accountable for all those actions, which we are doing now with additional sanctions, then it's back to -- it's essentially an excuse to tear up the deal. so, you know, we have to maintain the pressure. again, i think it's something that the world is not used to. america taking a strong stance. and really hold the iranians accountable and particularly, as i mentioned before, for the american hostages that they are holding right now. >> martha: very important. >> unjustly. >> martha: clearly what happened to otto warm beer had a major impact on the president and has had some impact on his policy as well. good to see you both. >> sure. >> martha: a firestorm erupting over a combative presidential press conference today. reporters drilling the president over his handling of the violence in charlottesville. here is just a taste. >> there are two sides to a story. i thought what took place was a horrible moment for our country. >> martha: powerful lineup coming up, ben shapiro, mollie hemingway and jehmu greene to react. could steve bannon's days in the white house be numbered? 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you really do have to ask yourself where does it stop? >> martha: so this was the scene in durham, north carolina tonight. tonight there is talk that more mums will come down across the south as we sort of wonder where all of this is headed. the tension in the country in many ways feels like the unrest of the 1960s. yet the statues under fire are those from the days when our country almost came apart. when 620,000 union and confederate soldiers lost their lives. general mattis, now the secretary of defense was asked in a recent interview which threat facing america worries him the most. a lot of things could come to mind. but here's what he said. the lack of political unity in america. the lack of fundamental friendliness. and today ben shapiro, editor and chief of the daily wire.com wrote this: there is a cancer in our body politic. we must cut it out or be destroyed. he joins us along with mollie hemingway senior editor for the federalist and jehmu greene former president of the women's media center. i want to start with you, ben, in terms of your reaction after what you wrote the president stepped out today. as i say he wasn't going to take questions. but he clearly wanted to set the score straight on a number of points. what did you think? >> well, i think that he said one thing that was true and then he said a bunch of things that were not really good for him or good for the country. one thing that he said is true which is that the radical left violent antifa is violent in berkeley and charlottesville. a real danger and the media have been ignoring that because they prefer to focus in on white supremacist doing evil damage in charlottesville. the part that president trump said that i thought was quite egregious when he made light of the altd right. he said what is the alt right? can you define alt right. suggested a bunch of people protesting on friday night. friday night about jews not replacing them and about white supremacy? he said some of those people were very fine people, very nice people. i don't see the purpose of that. very point of the column i wrote have you two nefarious fringe forces becoming mainstream antifa and alt right and both of them need to be condemned. i saw the president condemn one of those today. i didn't see the president fully condemn the other. >> martha: jehmu, what was your take away today? >> only one response. it's appalling what we saw from the president was disgusting, despicable. it certainly was unamerican. but the reality is for 241 years we have been inching closer and closer to the legalitarian the overwhelming majority of americans believe. in it's -- he is trying very hard to flush all of that down the toilet. he has abdicated his moral authority. i think now maybe the only solution is something that has been suggested by the boggographer, of former president clinton, which is for president obama, president clinton and both president bushes to come out and make a statement to provide the comfort and assurance that you would expect from a president but we're clearly not going to get that from donald trump. his true colors are showing. >> martha: molly, what do you think. >> i want to correct something really quickly. he did say nazis and white nationalists should be quote condemned totally. he did condemn nazis and white nationalists. it's really good when things are heated to go back and read what president trump actually said and then engage with those actual words and there is something about the way he talks that definitely sets people off and it's times like this when we have white nationalists, protesting in charlottesville. we have leftist mobs tearing down cha statues it's important to keep as palm and preserve political debate. there is a good case to be made for taking down confederate statues. that is a case that should be made calmly and rationally by talking to your neighbor and convincing them and understanding that there are multiple arguments in favor and against the removal of statues and that iconiclasicm is something you want to worry about. and mobs can get out of control. >> martha: it feels like it. with regard to the statues because there are people who do not fit into any of these extreme categories who believe that these statues have a reason to remain. and one of them is condoleezza rice. she was asked about this a while back. let's play that. >> i am a firm believer in keep your history before you. and so i don't actually want to rename things that were named for slave owners. i want us to look at those names and recognize what they did and be able to tell our kids what they did and for them to have a sense of their own history. when you start wiping out your history, sanitizing your history to make you feel better, it's a bad thing. >> martha: wiping out your history to make you feel better. jehmu. >> our history can live in a museum. it doesn't have to be in a park where young people of color walk by and see these statues that represent everything that they -- that goes against them and who they are as american citizens. you don't go to germany and see statues of adolf hitler. it's fine to make sure that we remember history so we don't repeat it but having these statues on federal property on state government property in part does nothing but harm individuals who understand what the civil war was about. and it was an attack on them. and, again, all of the progress we have made. we are not at a place in our country where the president of the united states, regardless of what his words were, he defended people who stood at that statue and shouted death to jews. that is what they were shouting friday night. there is no excuse for that. and i think anyone who saw his performance on saturday, yesterday, and today, you can understand where his authenticity is. you understand where his passion is and it is certainly not on the right side of history. >> martha: i want to get a reaction. ben, what do you think? is that fair? >> in part that's fair. i do think that when -- i think it's a little over the top. when you see the president of the united states saying that there are very fine people at that protest on friday night that torch light protest where they are saying jews replacing people and when you see the president of the united states refusing to denounce the alt right by name said he doesn't know what it is. a lot of the denunciation of white supremism ring hollow when you refuse to know what it is. david duke seemed particularly happy today. that's the fault of the president. >> they are celebrating. >> martha: let me have molly have the last spot. >> he seems rather comfortable taking support from racist and bigots when he finds it comfortable to do so. that i find deeply trouble. as far as the confederate statue stuff i have sympathy for both sides on this particular argument. one thing i think we all should agree on leftist mobs ripping down statues in violation of law is obviously a violation of law. >> martha: there is a process underway. thank you, ben. i want to let molly get last word in here. real quick, molly. >> again, it's important for people. many people in our media and president and political leaders are not doing a good job at calming things down, but we can work together neighbor to neighbor to have decent civil conversations and we should all work to do that. >> martha: well said. thank you to all of you for being here tonight. so we are going to take a closer look at european country that has nearly eradicated down syndrome births. not from therapy or from cures but from abortion. sarah palin is here exclusively tonight. she feels as you would imagine, very strongly about this subject from a personal perspective. she has a powerful message for mothers. also, question about steve bannon, the shark circling, perhaps, around him as there are calls for his ouster, including members of congress who got together and wrote a letter. one of them will join us ahead of this, along with bannon's close colleague who says the strategist's ouster, he believes, would be a very bad thing for the white house when we come back. ♪ tter moment of proof. victoza® lowers my a1c and blood sugar better than the leading branded pill, which didn't get me to my goal. lowers my a1c better than the leading branded injectable. the one i used to take. victoza® lowers blood sugar in three ways. and while it isn't for weight loss, victoza® may help you lose some weight. non-insulin victoza® comes in a pen and is taken once a day. 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>> well, let's be clear. it's also not just about steve bannon. it's steve bannon. it's gorka, it's miller. the letter called for the ouster of all three. frankly, the demand that that happened was immediate. as soon as the president took over in january, there were letters to the white house saying that we thought that having a person like steve bannon in the white house sends a terrible message. after such a divisive campaign, we need to have people that are more inclusive. him coming off of breitbart news and the way breitbart news first of all promoted the alt right, which, in our opinion, is just another term for white nationalists or white supremacists. the way he specifically, bannon, has been very racially divisive, we thought that, you know, after the inauguration the country needed to heal. >> martha: let me ask you this. steve bannon is pretty quiet. is he not somebody that you hear from very often. we're all familiar with breitbart news. and some of the headlines that you may be using to put these very serious labels on this man. so i'm asking you nobody likes to be labeled things -- the kind of things -- white nationalists, neo nazis. these are extraordinarily strong statements. so i am asking you because us i'm about to talk to someone who knows him quite well and i have spoken to other people who know him quite well. i do not know him quite well. what specifically, when you are going to do that, you need to have some evidence of what's in his heart. so i'm asking, how do you know what is in his heart? >> well, who knows what's in anyone's heart. >> martha: exactly. >> what i can tell you is that when he was in charge of breitbart news. bright part newbreitbart news ay he was in charge of it the way they attacked the african-american community, you know that steve bannon has lots of famous quotes, what he has to say about women. a lot of things that have been attributed to him, his perspective, the way he encouraged the president around the anti-immigrant stand. there is a long list of issues that have been very, very divisive that steve bannon has prided himself is his contribution to the trump administration. >> martha: let me ask you another question. because when i see that's dangerous that's happening in america right now is that everyone is sort of in one silo or the other. right? there is very little room for people to have differences of opinion. and they are very quickly labeled awful things like neo nazi and white nationalists and names on the other side on the left side as well. so does that concern you because you are doing that to him and so i am wondering if you would like to be put in that kind of silo and that kind of labeled box based on someone who didn't know you? >> well, if somebody wanted to look at me and wanted to look at my record, they could certainly never put me in a box like that. because i have not had a history of that. i think if you look at breitbart news, if you look at steve bannon, if you look at what his history has been and, again, i said this is not just about bannon. this is about gorka. his anti-immigrant stance. the writings that he has contributed. if you look at steven miller, it's all of them together and it sends a message about this administration that. >> martha: that you don't like. >> it was not surprising. >> martha: i have got to go. i'm sorry. i hear you and i think you made your point and i thank for being here but i do want to save time for my own other guest as well. karen bass, thank you very much. so sitting here next to me with a bit of a different take is raheem cass san who is a breitbart news author and editor the no-go zone how sharia law is coming to a neighborhood near you. raheem, you listen to that you heard the charges against the man that you know. what do you say? >> you don't hear any evidence to start. she is not pointing to anything specific. you would expect that there could be a specific quote attributed. we have been this far now. we have been here for 8 months now thesk complaining about him nonstop. they can't say anything specific. what stood out to me do they realize they lost? they don't get to dictate who is in the white house. the democrats had their turn in the white house. they formed their cabinet. they presented their policies at the last election for the american public. and now they are trying to dictate who is employed by the white house. it seems very strange to me. it's a strange way to approach it i wonder if the congresswoman has ever actually reached out to steve bannon's office to take a meeting so she can personally get to know him. everybody keeps calling for unity and coming together as a nation. what steps is an elective representative taking to get to that unity? >> martha: well, in terms of his -- in terms confident basics and her charge, you know him well, is he anti-semitic? is he a neo nazi? is he a white supremacist because there are plenty of people in this country who believe that he is. >> if he was any of those things, he would be the worst white supremacist and neo nazi that you can imagine. he hasn't done anything to push forward any of those views. he would be a very unsuccessful version of those things. you know, i am of a muslim background your viewers can see. i'm brown my name is can a seem kassam. john politic our legal editor. all of these things, none of it stacks up. and we all see this man for -- we all know him. we have worked with him day in and day out. i have no reason to -- he is not my boss now. i have no reason to come on here and i gain nothing from doing this. but this started to pick on people accuse them of certain things. it became abundantly clear when you got into it and sat them down what are your specific problems and specific concerns they would repeat the same talking points over and over again. this is playing politics for politic's sake. >> martha: breitbart. >> satirical headline, satirical articles and pretend like they are actual news headlines. think about this, most mainstream news organizations actually have to issue more corrections every week than breitbart news has to do a year. nobody seems to get that. >> martha: let me ask you this. you are concerned as, you know, just watching all of this play out, as to how the dynamic would change if he were to leave the white house. how would that be? >> well, look, i think what president trump has done is put together a cabinet that is not a cabinet of yes men. the obama administration had, you know, idealogues who all wanted to pull the country in a specific direction. if you look at what happened with obamacare. if you look at what happened with the bailouts. all of these sorts of things that happened under the obama administration they happened because they were all doing high mind set. president trump has put together a diverse cabinet. a big tent cabinet. and to his credit. so you have ideas thrashed around. you actually have people bringing different things and different skill sets. different talents, different philosophies to the table. >> martha: steve bannon, what element would be missing if he wasn't there. >> i think steve is probably the person. is the second most person with his finger on the pulse as far as the base is concerned. we talk about trump's base. it's a diverse base but they understand the base. number one person is obviously donald trump. number two person is steve bannon. if you lose that then you actually give over to some the more liberal elements. some of the more gun control types who have found themselves in the white house. some of the people very close to mr. trump who are, you know, if you don't mind me saying, they are new yorkers. they don't actually identify that well with the rest of the country. i'm not trying to be offensive. it's a different perspective. >> martha: very good talking with you. thank you very much raheem kassam joining us tonight. internet frenzy to identify participants in the charlotte protest this weekend. a number of every day americans were incorrectly id's. dana loesch on the dangerous consequences on docking americans. and plus an eye opening cbs news report out of iceland sheds light on a nation working to eradicate people like the young woman that you see there on the left. not through cures but through abortion. sarah palin joins me in a moment with her personal take on this shocking report straight ahead. >> we don't look at abortion as murder. we look at it as a thing that we ended. if you have moderate to severe psoriasis, you can embrace the chance of completely clear skin with taltz. taltz is proven to give you a chance at completely clear skin. with taltz, up to 90% of patients had a significant improvement of their psoriasis plaques. in fact, 4 out of 10 even achieved completely clear skin. do not use if you are allergic to taltz. before starting you should be checked for tuberculosis. taltz may increase your risk of infections and lower your ability to fight them. tell your doctor if you are being treated for an infection or have symptoms. or if you have received a vaccine or plan to. inflammatory bowel disease can happen with taltz. including worsening of symptoms. serious allergic reactions can occur. now's your chance at completely clear skin. just ask your doctor about taltz. wise man, i'm nervous about affecting my good credit score. i see you've planted an uncertainty tree. chop that thing down. the clarity you seek... lies within the creditwise app from capital one. creditwise helps you protect your credit. and it's completely free for everyone. it's free for everyone? 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>> we couldn't get through all of it all of the report without my heart just absolutely breaking because this intolerance for people who may not look like you is just so -- it's so wrong. it's so evil. and here iceland is such a beautiful country. when i was governor here i met with the president of iceland and we talked about our beautiful regions of the world and hard working people with such great hearts and i think iceland won't be so beautiful if they continue down this path of being so intolerant to the degree of trying to snuff out the life of most those who maybe do not look like the subjective view of someone that would equate to perfection. you know, when you consider that a down syndrome child, their skin is a little bit different. their eyes are shaped differently. their speech patterns are different. those things that make them so unique, make the world more unique and more beautiful and to try to snuff out their life in the name of building a perfect race or a perfect country, that hearkens back to neo nazi, germany when they tried the same. look at the horrors that were resulting from those actions. >> martha: you know, you say it so well, obviously, because have you personal experience. and i remember the beautiful moments that we saw with you on the campaign trail with your son and, you know, you think about people. the idea that people who look, you know normal for lack of a better word are perfect is hilarious to me. i mean, you know, we are all born with so many imperfections so if you happen to look like other children, you know, life is going to throw all kinds of challenges at you. i know you have spoken very poignantly about what went through your mind because you did have that moment when the doctor said to you that there was a higher chance that trig might be born with down syndrome. how did you feel? what was your reaction? what went through your mind. >> i can certainly understand why a mother, when receiving that news that their child may have down syndrome would be so full of fear. i was full of fear. i had to really be brought down to my knees and ask god to change my heart and prepare my heart and my eyes and my understanding of the purpose in my son's life. and he certainly answered those prayers because the minute that trig was born the fear went away. and i see how he has just really allowed for real good priorities in my life, i believe, where you know i know what matters. life matters. and love matters. and really we are not -- who are we without love and acceptance? who are we as a culture. who are iceland or these other countries condoning the idea offer rad indicating those with down syndrome. who are they without love, without that respect for the sanctity of all life? >> martha: i couldn't help but think this is basically eugenics. it took me back to the middle bury story. because the students at middle bury were so outraged at charles murray because they claimed that his book and he claims that's not true, was supportive of eugenics and they all stood up and turned their backs. i thought where are those students turning their backs to this practice and standing against the eugenics that is being represented, that is ending the existence of these little babies? >> right. will we see, martha, in other areas of the country in our own country today. you know, we see the bigotry. we see racism, unfortunately. we see those who would think that they are supreme to others based on someone's physical characteristics, the color of their skin, or maybe the way they speak or the shape of their eyes. and that's very, very tragic. and it really is bringing our nation, our world backwards, back to those days that we said never again would we allow such a thing to happen. so to see a report today, brought forth by i think it was cbs who reported this, with the celebratory tone that oh, yea, we are going to eradicate those who may not look real perfect like we look, yeah, right. you know, i think it's a very disheartening trend. it's very tragic. but there are things that we can do about it you know, we can allow -- especially young mothers who are facing less than ideal circumstances in their pregnancy finding out that maybe their child will have down syndrome or some other challenge to come. we can help them be less fearful by speaking proudly about those that we have in our lice that bring so much joy. who bring so much joy into this world if only we would give them that chance. >> martha: you have done a great job of alleviating that fear in a lot of people and thank you, sarah palin. and best to trig and the rest of your family. good to see you tonight. thank you for being here. >> thank you. you too. >> martha: coming up next, the dangers of the practice known as doxing. celebrities like jennifer lawrence social media to outracist she says. it has back fired on normal people whose lives have been upended by that dana loesch sounds off on what she says is a mob technique that could cause irreparable damage to innocent americans when we come back ♪ ♪ the chronic, widespread pain drained my energy. my doctor said moving more helps ease fibromyalgia pain. she also prescribed lyrica. fibromyalgia is thought to be the result of overactive nerves. lyrica is believed to calm these nerves. woman: for some, lyrica can significantly relieve fibromyalgia pain and improve function, so i feel better. lyrica may cause serious allergic reactions or suicidal thoughts or actions. tell your doctor right away if you have these, new or worsening depression, or unusual changes in mood or behavior. or swelling, trouble breathing, rash, hives, blisters, muscle pain with fever, tired feeling, or blurry vision. common side effects are dizziness, sleepiness, weight gain and swelling of hands, legs and feet. don't drink alcohol while taking lyrica. don't drive or use machinery until you know how lyrica affects you. those who have had a drug or alcohol problem may be more likely to misuse lyrica. with less pain, i can be more active. ask your doctor about lyrica. when you switch to progressive. winds stirring. too treacherous for a selfie. 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>> we don't know yet. i wish that rice would apologize for this or at the very least step down from the homeland security council on which she sits as a committee member. >> martha: why do you want her to do that. >> she maligned millions of americans basically the same as terrorist. these are innocent moms and dads, grandfathers and grandmothers millions of people have done nothing except in her eyes support their second amendment rights. >> martha: dana loesch, always good to see you, dana. thank you for being here tonight. >> thank you, martha. >> martha: we will take a quick break. we will be back with more of the story. ♪ ♪ managing was all i was doing. when i told my doctor, i learned humira is for people who still have symptoms of moderate to severe crohn's disease even after trying other medications. in clinical studies, the majority of people on humira saw significant symptom relief and many achieved remission. humira can lower your ability to fight infections, including tuberculosis. serious, sometimes fatal infections and cancers, including lymphoma, have happened; as have blood, liver, and nervous system problems, serious allergic reactions, and new or worsening heart failure. before treatment, get tested for tb. tell your doctor if you've been to areas where certain fungal infections are common, and if you've had tb, hepatitis b, are prone to infections, or have flu-like symptoms or sores. don't start humira if you have an infection. just managing your symptoms? 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