Seconds. In my lifetime only sarah palin brought enough charisma to benefit her ticket. I love those hockey moms. They say the difference between a hockey mom and a pit bull . Lipstick. But as youll remember governor palin ran into trouble with her frame of reference how much she knew about the world. She did, however, put a scare into the Democratic Party and initially helped john mccain. Other than that, the v. P. Candidates have been pretty much used as surrogates. Does anyone remember what joe biden said to paul ryan or visa versa four years ago . Anyone . Tonight will be interesting because of the joust. Who is quicker on the draw. Again, it will not influence the vote. So, all eyes will turn to sunday night. Round 2 between Hillary Clinton and donald trump. Polling this week not good news for the trump campaign. Many americans apparently believing that Hillary Clinton won the first debate and she has gained in most of the polling. Also, donald trump remains on defense while the Miss Universe thing is going away, the tax deal remains big. Yesterday in colorado, trump defended his big tax writeoff in 1995. As a major Real Estate Developer in this country and throughout the world, i faced enormous taxes, city taxes, state taxes, employee taxes, federal taxes, vat taxes in different countries. Its my job, always, to minimize the overall tax burden to the greatest extent possible, which allows me to reinvest in neighborhood workers, building amazing structures all over the place. And it fuels the tremendous growth in various communities throughout the United States. Now, that makes sense. As we reported last night, corporations take big losses all the time. And thats what mr. Trump did. The fact that he turned his companies around, to make big profits after he had financial trouble, is to his credit, is it not . But we all know that the two debate mod ter rarts on sunday, Martha Raddatz and Anderson Cooper will try to paint trump as a greed head who doesnt care about his country. That presents an interesting challenge to the candidate. Trump must calmly, i repeat, calmly state his case that his Economic Vision on taxes and Everything Else will benefit the country. If donald trump goes on defense, and lashes out in any way at all, hell lose the second debate. If that happens, well, i think we all know how the November Vote will turn out. But mr. Trump is a talented communicator. So it would be foolish for anyone to count him out at this point. But he needs a big win on sunday, not just holding his own. If he gets that big win, the polls will turn around because Hillary Clinton still has not really defined herself to independent American Voters who will decide the election. And thats the memo. Now for the top story, reaction, joining us from washington brit hume. Didnt we just see you . [ laughter ] you were reading mean tweets and now you are here. I was, yeah. Do you agree that the v. P. Debate, while entertaining and people should watch to be informed, not going to really matter though that much . Well, one way it could matter, bill, is remember how many Vice President s have gone on to become president s. You get kind of an early audition here of somebody who may before too long be in the race for the oval office itself or if something terrible should happen could end up becoming president during the term of the next elected president. True. But, with these two monster candidates, the vote in what five weeks . Less than five weeks. Yeah. There is nothing that pence or kaine could say tonight that could change anybodys mind. Its either trump or clinton. Well, there is a possibility that one of these candidates can open up a line of attack against the other or a line of defense against their own candidate that might prove useful in the ongoing argument going forward. But beyond that, there has never been a case that i can think of where a Vice President ial debate could be shown to have mattered in the outcome on election day. Im really trying to think of anything. All i remember about biden four years ago is he had this laugh that scared me. You know, the clown thing that everybody is clown now running around . He had that slightly diabolical grin and if you dont like him you think its diabolical you think its friendly. Even if you do like him you thought it was diabolical. And, ryan, he was sober and he was credible but nobody remembers anything. Now, almost 50 of the American Population according to polls dont know who pence or kaine are. They dont know him. I dont know if we are going to get big numbers tonight on this debate. It will probably be on everyone. People are interested in this election. They will watch for a while and may be curiosity from these two men from people who dont know them and they will be better known after this for sure. You have interviewed both of them . I havent interviewed kaine. I have interviewed mike pence. I know kaine. I live in the state where he serves and also where he was governor. I have known him a long time but i dont think i have ever interviewed him. No. He doesnt do a lot of interviews. I interviewed pence as well. He stayed on message no matter what i did. Does he ever. I wanted to mess up his hair. He was on satellite so i couldnt. That would be the only way to shock him. That might help. No matter what you ask him its okay, is larry byrd better than Magic Johnson . Well, trump,. He is a very decent guy. Very disciplined. He has been a true blue conservative for a long time. He has not, in this campaign at least, been a particularly good interview for people like you and me. No. The same thing with kaine. Kaine is a party man, a democrat has gotten him in to trouble because is he a devout catholic and some of the catholic doctrine does not jive up with the liberal Secular Movement that the democrats have embraced. That may present a problem if pence were to go after that i dont know whether he will or not. I dont expect the moderator to really add too much. Im not diminishing her. Im just saying that, you know, if you go into the personal zones about religion, that would be a departure from what these people usually do. So, when you are watching the debate, i expect and tell me if i am wrong here, i expect pence to basically defend trump, but stay away from the Miss Universe and all that stuff. Defend him on the taxes. Defend him on other things that have gotten him in to a little trouble. And then kaine to go on the attack. Kaine is going to attack, attack, attack. So that pence is going to be like the wall and kaine is going to come in and try to attack him. Thats how i see it. Yeah. Im sure that kaine will try to do that. Although he is not a particularly combative guy. Pence may be so more than he is look, there are going to be lines of attack that pence will certainly pursue on a range of issues. I dont think is he going he is not going to get involved in some of these side issues that seem to so attract the attention of mr. Trump getting into a fuss about the Miss Universe and years gone by. He got lured into that. I dont think you will see pence do anything like that. I dont think so either. I see pence as more of trying to elevate trump where i dont see kaine trying to elevate hillary. He is going to go after trump. So its the debate, interestingly enough, i predict, will be all about trump. Last word. The whole campaign has been all about trump. Yep. And thats how it will remain. Thats why is he going to be live tweeting tonight. Well, i hope he were trying to get him on tomorrow. Is he going to be in nevada. And were going to try to get him on tomorrow. Brit, thank you as always. Next on the rundown democrat Austan Goolsbee will reply to brit and myself. Later gutfeld and mcguirk and lisa and juan. The factor is coming right back. I can get over 60 sheets of drywall into my mercedesbenz metris. To get 60 sheets of drywall into my small van, i invented the foldomatic 5000. The new mercedesbenz metris worker. Hauls more. Stows more. And, at 25,995, saves more. Add a low overall cost of ownership, and the metris worker can handle any business. Starting at 25,995. Mercedesbenz. Vans. Born to run. Remember when you said men are supeyeah. Ivers . Yeah, then howd i get this. Allstate safe driving bonus check . Only allstate sends you a bonus check for every six months youre accident free. Silence. Its good to be in, good hands. [ cougshh. 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There is a certain element of the Republican Party that theyre questioning trump but thus far they have put some faith in pence. Okay. So, pence has gravitas. I hate that word but he has gravitas because he ran the state of indiana well. And he comes across as a sober politician. I dont know about that. His approval rating. I agree with the second part but i dont know about the first. You are in illinois which is going to collapse any second by the way. Sell your house. I got a view from indiana from here. You can see indiana from my house. Yeah. Let me give you some facts that governor pebs pence is a very popular governor in both parties in indiana and he ran the state very well. Those are facts where your state of illinois is going to collapse. I will give it to you. Thank you. Your line of thinking raises what i call pence tonight 90 i agree with. You okay. 90 . But 10 . Let me ask you another question. So with gravitas and with the successful tenure as governor in indiana, i believe that pences plan tonight is to elevate donald trump to make sure that the audience knows that pence approves of his running mate and then puts forth why you should vote for him rather than tearing down Hillary Clinton. Thats probably true. Thats probably true. Right. That does run in to what i have been thinking is pence is in a bit running up against what i call the smelly rubicon, which is the subunit of the last week. We had the tax returns. We had the Miss Universe. But there was this substory which was very prominent republicans criticizing trump. You saw Reagan Ronald reagans son saying that he didnt think his father would have supported trump. And barbara bush herself saying she didnt think women that any woman should vote for him. If pence has to choose between backing up what trump had said this past week to keep trump happy, and to elevate trump, i think he that there is a danger that he alienates these traditional republicans who have been upset at trump. I dont know about that. Look, pence. I think he is in trouble. I have interviewed pence and huma agrees with me stays on message. They have given him his message. This is what do you tonight. No matter what they throw is he going to come back there throw a barbara bush. She is entitled to her opinion mad about jeb. Here is what trump will do. Are you friends with kaine. Im pretty good friends with kaine. You are . Yeah. He comes across to me as a totally decent fellow. Totally decent. So boring i dont know what to do. I almost cry. I know everyone says that. But whats weird is its not actually true. Hes not boring . Hes not boring. No . Im hoping. Im hoping that he can change this perception a little bit. Because i agree with you that. The perception is that he is boring. He has been a little boring but in real life is he not boring. The perception is when he opens his mouth dust comes out. Do you know why . Thats not the perception. I stole it from i think he can beat the expectation. Why doesnt he do interviews with me . He doesnt do many interviews. They keep him away. Why . He should be doing interviews with everybody. I dont know. Maybe they dont like you. Not just me. I come on your show. And youre tough, but youre fair. We made you a star. Youre going to have your own Program Dancing with dopey college students. Thats right. But kaine doesnt do any interviews from hardly anybody. I dont understand. I think you will probably see more. Its almost over. Kaine is doing what he needed to do. Which is what, be boring. Go in to virginia and winning virginia for cleveland. He has all but done that. He doesnt need that because mcauliff is the governor and virginia will go for clinton, i think. 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Impact segment tonight. Poet Hillary Clinton and donald trump on the road today campaigning. This while their seconds tim kaine and mike pence are resting up for the debate which will begin shortly. The trump exposition today more of the same. Clinton cant talk real problems facing our country because shes the one who helped create all of those problems in the first place. Theyre not going to be able to do anything about it. Trump took on risks that devastated his businesses, his employees, the people who were contractors and the Larger Community in atlantic city. All while continuing to live like a billionaire. Joining us now from farmville, virginia where the debate is taking place is lisa booth. Here in new york city juan williams. Do you know anything about farmville. Yeah, i know a lot. I have been there. Actually, im talking to you, americans historian you know about the battle of hybrid. Very good. Farmville one of the key battles at the end of the war. Did he get extra brownie points for that. Did you know that lisa farmville. I did but juan beat me to the chase. Never, never. Very interesting place if you are interested in the civil war you should go to farmville. All these places around it bloody, unbelievable. All right. Now, the consensus is that both pence and kaine are boring. Yes . No. No . You think they are exciting guys . They are exciting to certain constituencies. I think, for example, kaine, were talking about the civil war. Yeah. And if you think about place like this, you understand race is a central factor. Civil war, in fact, and if you go down there, thats one of the places where brown v. Board of education got started. What does this have to do with kaine being boring . Kaine is not boring. He speaks spanish. You can be boring if you speak spanish. Have you ever seen hooray rams . Ohwhojorge him jorge ramos . I believe i agree with what you said earlier in the sense that this debate tonight is not going to move numbers. Gallup even did the numbers looking at 1972082008. Vice president ial debates and found that it did nothing or very little to nothing to actually change voter preference. And these candidates have already really done their job in the sense that you look at senator tim kaine helping Hillary Clinton, her attempt to shore up virginia. She has been leading in the polls in that state. You look at governor mike pence, he was brought in to help coalesce republicans behind donald trump. He helped secure the senator cruz inendorsement. Try to get that message out. Exactly. That trump isnt this crazy guy. Isnt a misogynist, isnt a greed head. That is pences mandate. And kaine is going to try to shake it. But i have got here, here, here is the other part of it, which is that i think that you have got to understand that they have got to clean up. I mean, trump had, you know, talk about someones excellent adventure . He had a terrible week here debate, taxes. Keep it positive. I think what pence has got to do, is he has got to try to change the narrative, lisa. He has to try to change it so that people arent talking about the taxes. He will try. Now tim kaine has not really been challenged. This is why i would really like to speak to the senator because he hasnt been challenged about Hillary Clintons problems. Right. You dont see him addressing well the email thing and benghazi thing. Maybe thats why he doesnt do interviews because he knows he is going to get those kind of questions and he doesnt want to answer them, lisa. And, juan is over here acting like he has got a perfect candidate with Hillary Clinton. Someone who deleted 30,000plus emails with software called bleach bit. Could not