0 in mind that karzai will be gone in june. the united states government spends $10 billion a day so our entire afghan campaign comes to about 75 days of u.s. government spending. >> $10 million. >> $10 billion. >> it's $10 million. >> we spent $10 billion a day. >> oh, you mean overall, not in afghanistan. >> so when you say $750 billion, keep that number in perspective is what i'm saying. >> well, okay. what are we getting out of this? the karzai family war lords are getting rich. he's spitting in our face, as you said. in return what? what's the upside exactly? afghan girls are going to school. that's great, but that's not in our strategic interest. we're not acting in our interest. we can't even install an obedient puppet. by the way, after thousands of americans killed, we have the right to do that. the bottom line is we're not a good colonial power. we're not good occupiers. the british weren't, the soviets weren't, we were never going to be. >> get out of there now, if you just say okay, karzai, forget it. because he's going to leave. as soon as we leave, he's going leave. >> remember the 2500 members unanimously voted for the bilateral security agreement. >> the afghans want us there. >> we don't have a moral obligation to help the afghans. we have an obligation only to act in our own interest. >> it comes down to two words, obama and the strategy that this administration has pursued in afghanistan. number two, karzai, a despicable, corrupt, incompetent governor who will -- >> let me ask tucker a question. if we say, okay, we've had enough, like we did in iraq. the reason we pulled everybody out of iraq is because the iraqi government wouldn't assure that our soldiers wouldn't be prulted -- prosecuted by iraqis. so say we pull out. you know the taliban will retake the country. you know the afghan forces can't stop them. so you have another lawless state where all the al qaeda will gather and we're back to 1999. we're back to exactly before 9/11. >> the first thing we ought to do is recognize -- >> but deal with that question. we're back to where we were in '99. where there's a lawless nation, harboring al qaeda and letting them do whatever they want. >> it's possible -- >> no, it's going to happen. >> no, here's what's possible that there's no option to that. that it was always going to be that way, we've only forestalles of americans company. >> that's not inevitable. >> some conservatives say the government who's unable to run a health care website, say it has the power to create a civil society? >> we should not have been nation building in afghanistan. our job there wasn't to build roads and schools. our job was to make sure that the taliban wouldn't come back to power and we'd have drones that could hit al qaeda again and again and again and have a base to ultimately get bin laden. >> i don't remember that at all. i was here for the bush years. i remember our job was to liberate afghan women to go to school. >> well, the country becomes developed enough to fight against these people. it's not working right now because there's bad leadership. i think -- i think power could be used there. we only have 38,000 troops left, all right. that will go down to 10,000 before the president is out of office. but right now i think he's got to show some power. i'd arrest them. i'd arrest karzai. i would arrest him. >> you know what, by showing american power in the first place, we have revealed our weakness. the most powerful country nld world can't subdue -- >> it didn't work out in iraq, it's not working out in afghanistan. maybe we get a surge, arrest karzai, we put in a puppet who will at least do the right thing here. i think we have to do it. gentlemen, thanks very much. next how liberal is hillary clinton anyway? 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