Transcripts For FOXNEWSW The Kelly File 20160212 : compareme

Transcripts For FOXNEWSW The Kelly File 20160212

The Associated Press to discuss it say sh we have a big show for you tonight, including Charles Krauthammer who is here with the latest on the race for the white house. And actor Richard Dreyfuss and his son are here with why mr. Dreyfuss was at a ted cruz rally recently and the fallout. And diane sawyer of abc news is here with a dramatic account of her exclusive interview with the mother of one of the columbine killers who is speaking out for the first time in 17 years. But we begin with our chief washington correspondent james rosen reporting from our d. C. Bureau on the drama surrounding the republican nominee. James . Reporter megyn, the prospect of a brokered convention has loomed over the last few election cycles like sasquatch, but something that never materializes. This year, however, some smart people are phoning in their sightings. Florida senator marco rubio, as you were saying, licking his wounds from that disastrous debate performance and his fifth place finish in New Hampshire began telling reporters its not necessarily a negative thing if the battle goes to july. Terry sullivan telling the Associated Press this contest could extend to the convention. This is a message to donors saying stick with me and a message to kasich saying guess what, boys, i aint getting out of that main stream lane. Reporter former New Hampshire governor judd gregg, a backer of jeb bush in this cycle, said this week, if four people come out of South Carolina, were headed into a brokered convention. The last time the republicans held a brokered convention was in kansas city in 1976 when ford eked out a victory over challenger ronald reagan. So what is a brokered convention . Its what happens when the primary process ends without a candidate amassing a majority of delegates. During the early balloting, many believe that sasquatch will finally emerge from the shadows. However, numerous interested parties presenting some very different profiles dismiss such talk. If youre only getting 5 , 10 in state after state after state, your money dries up. Theres no way you can win. The idea that all of them can stay funded and stay alive while not winning is just not the way politics works anymore. I dont see a convention, you know, where i dont see it. A lot of people talk about it but i dont see it. And neither does rnc chairman reince priebus, as the back room big shots have been written out of existence by rnc rules. James, thank you. Joining us with more, ben shapiro. Ben, today Daniel Henninger wrote, its hard to see where a round of brokering in cleveland is not the most likely outcome. This is a smart guy. Why would that be . Why . Well, the reason is because if you have at least three candidates in the race, all you need in order to get nominated is at least eight states. This is according to the new rules implemented in 2012. You need eight states where you have a majority. You could easily have three candidates who each have a state and nobody with a majority. The problem is you just have too many candidates in this race and no consolidation after New Hampshire. If the field doesnt go down after South Carolina, theres a very good shot that nobody has a majority of the delegates going into the republican convention. So if that happens, and the republicans get to july, i think its july 18 the Convention Starts and they dont have a nominee, they still have three guys or more, i assume it would just be three, but who knows . Who does it benefit . Lets say its trump, cruz, and maybe rubio, who benefits . Well, you assume rubio would, because theres so many on the establishment side that like rubio. But the reason its called a brokered convention is because all of the candidates will have a chance to tell their delegates dont give your votes unless somebody gives me something. So its horse trading. If it were trump, cruz, and bush or rubio, thats horse trading going on. Nobody gets a majority. Then they say im electable. That is a situation which it help it is they like you. Definitely. So this means ted cruz has some real problem it is we get to an open Convention Like this. In 1948, earl warren came from way behind to become the vp nominee. You could see something similar happen. Say trump has the most delegates but not e majority, you could see somebody like marco rubio say to trump, okay, ill put you over the top if you put me second on the ticket. You could even see theoretically, if rubio and cruz had enough combined, one says ill throw my votes, and i take the vp slot. Unbelievable. Well continue to watch it. It doesnt get until march 15 where its winner take all. Its great to see you, ben. You, too. Joining me now with more on the potential for a long race ahead, Charles Krauthammer, a Fox News Contributor and author of things that matter. Charles, good to see you. So what do you think is the likelihood of there being a contested convention where no one has the majority of delegates when we get to july . Right now i think its fairly unlikely. And right now its the dream of a few of the lagging candidates who figure they cant get the kind of run that would yield a majority of the delegates in time for the convention. What i think is so startling is how theres been this fight within the socalled main stream candidate lane for the one guy to emerge to challenge trump. What they dont seem to understand, and this is cannibalism going on among the moderates, you dont normally associate cannibals with moderates, is by the time this one person supposedly emerges, it will be over and trump will have swept the field or perhaps cruz will have come to be the one challenger who wins. So i think theres a real danger of that, for the main stream candidate, and right now, the most likely to emerge as the final the last man standing against trump would be ted cruz. How important is South Carolina . South carolina may be one of the last chances for the field to be winnowed to the advantage of the main stream or establishment candidates. If it is not, if you get say a rubio and a bush emerging and a kasich, emerging fairly bunched together, i think that would be catastrophic for that lane for all of them. And would open it up to cruz and to trump. And if trump wins South Carolina . If we wins it decisively, he becomes the prohibitive favorite. If there were no if you dont see a winnowing of the field rapidly right after that so you are down to one or perhaps two challengers, he could run the table. What is so fascinating about trump is and Rush Limbaugh was making this point, that hes not idealogical. What limbaugh was saying hes not a republican, but hes not a democrat. Hes not an idealogue at all. If you are going for the most conservative guy, you go for cruz. Listen. If conservatism is your bag, if conservatism is the dominating factor in how you vote, there is no other choice for you in this campaign than ted cruz. Because you are exactly this is the closest in our lifetimes we have ever been to ronald reagan. Do you agree with that . Well, i would disagree in the sense that i think rubio is an authentic conservative. Bush is kind of a reformist conservative. All of them i think would be comparable to reagan in 1980. You remember the issues were different in 1980. Immigration was not that big a deal. On the spectrum, i think that they there are several candidates who are conservative. But i do agree that trump is not a conservative. I think, you know, he would probably reject that, but i think the record would show hes a trumpest. Hes kind of a what the hellest, meaning, these guys have not succeeded, as he said in a tweet i think today, you elected these guys to the congress, they made the promises, they havent kept them. And this foerefore, hes comingo solve problems. And hes not a traditional conservative. But the mood of the country and the he celectorate is people ma care less about ideology than results and he promises results. Right now things are getting ugly in South Carolina as weve been told. The cutting ads are coming out. Trump cut one against cruz, which he just pulled. We dont know why. Then cruz cut one against trump, which is rough. Watch. Her home was all she had left. But it stood in Donald Trumps way and the limousine parking lot he wanted. To him, she was a nobody. So trump schemed to force her from her home using imminent domain. Youre bullying these people out. This is the government, not donald trump. This is donald trump, you and your cronies working together. I offered her a lot of money. He doesnt have no heart. What kind of man talks out of both sides of his mouth on National Television and still denies it . Who took more than a Million Dollars from wall street banks . Who runs a campaign accused of dirty tricks that tried to sabotage ben carson with false rumors . Ted cruz, the worst kind of washington insider who just cant be trusted. What do you make of those . Wow, thats pretty heavy stuff. Right . Thats dropping all the ordinance out of all your airplanes on day one of the war. This is a double pearl harbor. The cruz ad is interesting. Its an idealogical attack. For conservatism, imminent domain is a very resonate word. Its the Big Government coming in and taking away your property for other purposes. That is sort of a central idea opposing it, at least generally speaking and surely for private gain. Opposing it is a main tenant of conservatism. On the other side, what trump was doing is hitting cruz is all of the attacks he hit him in the debates the other week, and the ones that all the other candidates leveled against cruz. I think its fair stuff. Obviously, a little sharp. I dont think any of these two ads, either of them is untrue. Its a question of what is the mood of the electorate . What do they care the most about . And the people of South Carolina are apparently used to rough and tumble politics, so they may not be too offended by anything they saw there. Sit back and enjoy and i dont think anybody will be calling a penalty for unnecessary roughness. Charles, always great to see you. My pleasure. Coming up, a hollywood legend faces backlash after showing up at a Ted Cruz Campaign event. His crime . Trying to be an informed american. Tonight, oscar winning actor Richard Dreyfuss and his son speak out to the kelly file. Plus, ted cruzs wife gives an interview and talks about religion and politics. Some label it as a rant and bizarre. And a major new headache for Hillary Clinton. We found out there is yet another investigation with ties to her under way. This has to do with the Clinton Foundation during her seem as secretary of state. And it comes just nine days out from the next big democratic showdown, the nevada caucuses. Why she is now lowering expectations in that state. Mark and julie are here. Growing up, we were german. We danced in a german dance group. I wore lederhosen. When i first got on ancestry i was really surprised that i wasnt finding all of these germans in my tree. I decided to have my dna tested through ancestry dna. The big surprise was were not german at all. 52 of my dna comes from scotland and ireland. So, i traded in my lederhosen for a kilt. Ancestry has many paths to discovering your story. Get started for free at ancestry. Com. At ally bank, no branches equals great rates. Its a fact. Kind of like vacations equal getting carried away. More proactive selling. What do you think michal . I agree. Lets get out there. Lets meet these people. Without looking at cable wires and boxes in every room. Mother, we are settlers. We settle for cable. And the simpler things in life. Like our drab clothing. Thats right, daughter. And homemade haircuts. Exactly, boy. Besides, if it werent for wires, how would cousin tobias get his privacy . Hey shut the blanket i need my privacy vo dont be a settler. Get a 100 visa prepaid card when you switch to directv. Terry bradshaw . What a surprise you know what else is a surprise . Shingles. And how it can hit you out of nowhere. I know. I had it. Cmon lets sit down and talk about it. And did you know that one in three people will get shingles . all no. Thats why im reminding people if you had chickenpox then the shingles virus is already inside you. all oooh. Whos had chickenpox . Scoot over. And look that nasty rash can pop up anywhere and the pain can be even worse than it looks. Talk to your doctor or pharmacist. About a vaccine that can help prevent shingles. An oscar winning actor under fire for attending a Republican Campaign event. Some on the left attacking actor Richard Dreyfuss after he was spotted at a Ted Cruz Campaign rally just a few weeks back. Joining me now Richard Dreyfuss and his son, harry. Harry was so upset about the criticism, hes wrote a post thats gone viral online. So harry, people decided that your dad, a beloved actor, needed to be kicked out of hollywood, and with things i cannot repeat on National Television because they saw him as a Republican Campaign event. Why did you write about it . Well, so far my political expression has been limited to annoying facebook rants. But when i saw that people were attacking my dad for his curiosity, it just it offended me on principle. I thought, like, he has taught us that curiosity should be one of our highest values. They made the mistake of thinking that him being there to see what ted cruz had to say that that meant he supported him. But really we should all so highly exalt the ability to go and listen to someone that you disagree with. So i wanted to i wanted to stick it to the people who thought that that was not a good thing to do. Good for you. Sticking it to the people is always a good idea when the people are jerks. Richard, you said that some people felt betrayed. You were raised apparently your mother and grandmother and great grandmother were all socialists. You are not a socialist, but you wanted to take in another viewpoint. Were you surprised at the backlash . No, no. Because my other son, ben, who is an editor for mother jones magazine, always warmed me never to read comments on the internet because they were from people who were dropped on their heads. [ laughter ] what were your impressions of cruz . Well, i went to hear whether or not there would be a difference between what i was hearing through the tv camera and live. And what was disappointing is that there was no difference. They sounded equally kind of silly. How about glenn beck, we have video of you meeting with glenn. You sound a lot like glenn beck in some ways, because you both love the constitution. Well, name me someone who doesnt love the constitution. A lot of people like to play fast and loose with it in todays day and age. Well, you know, we all feel that we know the constitution better than our neighbors. So i have my feelings about it and ive enjoyed listening to him, even though we dont agree on everything. And so when he came up to me that day, i was ripe. I was ready to be talked to. And thats the thing that youre trying to get to, harry, is that you think people are too dogmatic in this country, that they adopt a Party Platform and once they adopted it, they dont deviate on any issue, theyre not open minded and others payment them with a brush that may be totally off point. Isnt it odd that you think its just a coincidence that everybody who believes one thing about being liberal believes every other liberal idea . Like the entire Party Platform, every single piece . You dont deviate one thing . Exactly. And if you dont deviate, then thats just showing that you havent thought about it, youve abdicated your responsibility. So did you make any conclusions, richard, have you decided it doesnt sound like youre going to vote for ted cruz. Have you decided who you will support . No. I run a Nonprofit Initiative to bring the study of civics back to the grades below high school graduation. If we dont know civics in this country, we are giving up knowledge of the greatest Political Revolution in the history of civilization. Absolutely. And it is and it is deemed improper to know too much and we dont credit anyone for an answer to why we might be exceptional. If someone tells me that america is exceptional, my response is, if you dont defend that statement and prove it, ill hit you right in the mouth becau because because people dont think that it needs defending and it does. People on the far right are always saying we will expect you to love your country because its south of canada. And thats no reason. And youve been somebody who has been out there saying that for some time. Its no wonder you got this way, harry. Its great to meet you both. I can see your dads pride in you. Thank you both so much for being here. Thank you. By the way, if you have not seen Richard Dreyfuss in abcs madoff, see it. He does an amazing job. Except you have to watch the commercials, which is annoying. But it was excellent. Coming up, a new Campaign Crisis for Hillary Clinton. Yet another investigation is revealed. This one asking about the Clinton Foundation and what happened there while she was secretary of state. This as team clinton down plays expectations in another state which she was supposed to beat Bernie Sanders with ease. Mark and julie are here. And it was one of the worst School Shootings in our history. Now for the very first time, the mother of one of the columbine killers breaks

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