General joins me now. President trump said this week he wants to speak to Robert Mueller, looking forward to it. As somebody who has represented private clients, would you recommend it . You have to consider the alternatives. On this basis, yes, i would recommend it. The alternative is if he doesnt speak to him, he can get a grand jury subpoena. If he speak to him, he gets to speak to him with his lawyer present, they get to talk about the topics, on so on and so forth. If he gets a grand jury subpoena, once hes there, he cant have anybody with him. He can do out and talk with his lawyer but it would look awkward. Paul even the president of the United States cant have his lawyer present . The only people in the grand jury room are the grand jurors, the lawyer for the government, the witness and the that nothing fer. Paul the president is known for somewhat inprecise statements on occasion and the fbi has been known to interpret statements as lying that may have been false memories. Thats a risk. Its a lesser risk if you have your lawyer sitting there able to reach over or interrupt and start a conversation that gets you back on the right track. Paul there are news reports that the president wanted Robert Mueller fired back in june and talked to his general counsel to do so and then mcgann threatened to resign. Thats the story. Now the white house says it wasnt exactly like that. They talked about it but there was no threat to resign by mcgann. What you make of that story . It was hard to m imagine how that went down. The storiance the times source, not to somebody who was there but the four people who heard about it. Paul presumably there were only two people there. Correct, the president and mcgann. Does the president say i order you to call up and fire mueller. Mcgann says, i quit. Or is it, you know, i think im going to we ought to fire mcgann, you ought to call over there and fire him. Mcgann says thats a lousy idea, mr. President , because its going to blow back on you plus the idea that im not going it, id sooner quit. It sounds more like the second than the first. Paul thats a conversation that probably happens a lot in any administration with a general counsel. Sure. Paul yeah. Sure. Paul is it a good idea . Would bit a good idea for the president to fire mule center. No. Its a lousy idea. First of all, it would make it appear that hes got a lot to hide. Paul right. And secondly its not going to stop the investigation. Paul just like firing comey didnt stop the investigation, if that was in fact the intent. As you look at what mueller is constructing here in all of the news reports, we dont know because hes not in the prosecutors room. But does it look like to you that hes examining whether or not there was an o obstruction f justice in firing comey . Its possible that thats what hes examining but i really cant tell. I dont think anybody else can tell either. Its very much like the blind man with the elephant. One touches his year, says it looks like a fan and somebody touches his tail and says its a rope. We dont know. Well know when its over. And examining it based on snip snippets of fact and speculation that we get based on who hes talking to is a mistake. Paul as you read stories about what the fbi did and the Justice Department did and the whole controversy over the 2016 cam paincampaign, do you find any of that troubling, somebody who was in the Justice Department . I found a lot of it troubling. I find the notion that somebody went and got a fisa warrant and the question of what kind of evidence was used to get it. I find that extremely troubling. Paul particularly it was based on russian misinformation. We dont know that it could be. And the House Intelligence Committee is doing that and prepared a fourpage memo theyve shown based on documents that theyve seen. Theyve examined them in the Justice Department and the fbi and now theyve prepared a memo that they said all members of the house can read and theyre preparing to make that public over the opposition of people in the Justice Department and democrats. What do you make of the desire to make this public . I make what i make of it is obviously that think theres something there to pu publicized they dont think theres a danger in doing so. For people to say with, well, this is a very dangerous thing to do who hasnt seen the memo seems to me a little rich. Theyre going to get to see the memo. Theres a fiveday delay between if the house votes to make it public, theres a fiveday delay to allow the president to determine whether its going to be public or not. The president could make it public with the stroke of a pen. He hasnt done that. But they give it to the executive to decide whether it ought to be made public and theres a fiveday lapse. Its a fourpage memo. Even if you read slowly paul and its presumably if theres something that really does jeopardize National Security they could redact it. All sorts of things they could do. Paul but it seems to me we need to find out what really happened here. That ought to be the main public goal. Right. And the more we find out at this point, the better. Ppg okay. Thank you. Appreciate it when we come back, extraordinarily reckless. Thats what if Justice Department is calling plans by House Republicans to release details of alleged surveillance abuses by the fbi during the 2016 campaign. So should if the memo in question remain under wraps . Our panel weighs in next. My names dustin. Hey, dustin. Grab a seat. Woman okay. Moderator nice to meet you. Have you ever had car trouble in a place like this . roaring of truck yes and it was like the worst experience of my life. Seven lanes of traffic and i was in the second lane. 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So kim, youve been following the story closely. Whats likely to map next week with this memo and are we ever going to see it . I think you see two things happening. Most likely the House Intelligence Committee meets. They have the ability if a majority votes to declassify that memo and make it public so that everyone can finally see whats in it. But not immediately. They the can declassify it and then the president of the United States has five days in which he can object. If he does not object it goes public. If he objects, the full house would have to meet to vote to override him to declassify it. Paul and the president could see side to say to the House Intelligence Committee, keep out this bit of it or redact certain things. Could he also do that . I believe he has the ability to negotiate with them on some of that or simply ask that they take that into consideration. They would modify it and then go through the process again. But i think the bigger point is youre going to see a campaign you already are seeing a campaign by democrats, by the fbi and other Intelligence Services to try to pressure the president into objecting so that this memo never gets made public. Paul bill, what is in it that they would find so objectionable. It iits not whisper tight so it would be a crime to do so. Were getting a sense of things. Were getting a sense that it does deal with the fisa implications. To get a fisa warrant, you have to pt them being an agent paul i think its probable cause. Not someone thats just proprussia. Its a serious charge. What people who have read it said is that the information there includes storying of abuses, probably how the steele dossier or used or not. Paul this is the key point. The steele dossier, basically paid for by the Democrat National party through fusion gps, was that used as part of the evidence to get the fisa warrant . Thats one of the things we want to know. Remember, they had a warrant rejected before. So the question is steele dossier comes in, do they use the steele dossier and do they represent it accurately to the judge looking at it . Afternoon i thinand i think part representation would be this is a campaign piece opposition researcher piece. It doesnt disprof it. Maybe mrs. Clinton discovered real things. But its something a judge would want to take into consideration. Also striking this justice official who said it would be extremely reckless, im not sure hes read it. The Justice Department is claiming they havent seen it. So you have a man thats the kind of campaign kim was talking about. You have a lot of people making claims. Adam schiff is out there blaming russia, saying therefore release the memo and asked twitter and facebook to investigate. All i can say is the russia bot seems to be more for disclosure. Schiff and feinstein are saying that the russian bots are taking advantage of what the republicans are doing and theyre on your side. This situation is beginning to spin out of control politically. But i personally think its conjecture but this is probably something larger than the fisa courts. This is Donald TrumpsJustice Department trying to lean on the republicans not to release this memo. And im convinced that the fbi was not only surveilling Trump Campaign workers but surveying the russians. This has to do with trying to figure out how the russians were trying to penetrate our politics. Theyre afraid of exposing the methods and means of what they were doing. Does that mean you agree, dont release the memo . No, i dont. They put this game in play by leaking to the press about the Trump Campaign. I dont think chairman nunez at this point has any alternative other than to make the memo public because the justice and the fbi will not discipline themselves. Paul well the president of the United States has the ability to declassify anything immediately at the stroke of a pen. Why doesnt he go ahead and say not only go ahead and release the document in the house wu you know what, i think i want to get the underlying document out as well, to the extent they dont violate sources. It would be magnificent if he did that. But you know and i know and the entire press corps knows and is using it to its advantage that the president s legal team has told him not to touch anything to do with this investigation if he ask in any way help it. The fear is, and i think some of it is justified, that muellers team and the president s critics out in the media and in the Democratic Party are waiting for another opportunity to accuse him of obstruction or interference. And so theres a great reluctance within the white house to get directly involved in this matter. Paul briefly, bill, would you release the memo . Yes, i would. What the American People need to know is did the trump team collude with the russians. I dont know. And they also need to know did the fbi and the Justice Department put their finger in the campaign. Its amazing all of these arguments against disclosure. Even bob mueller recognized the threat that peter strzok was long before we knew the reasons. The texts are troublesome. Paul when we come back, the Trump Administration releases an immigration plan that offers a path to citizenship for so called dreamers in exchange for Border Security and other resphrikses. So can the whois sell the deal to skeptical lawmakers on both sides of the aisle . I take pictures of sunrises, but with my back pain i couldnt sleep and get up in time. Then i found aleve pm. Aleve pm is the only one to combine a safe sleep aid plus the 12 hour pain relieving strength of aleve. Im back. Aleve pm for a better am. I cannot imagine managing my diabetes without my dexcom. This is the dexcom g5 mobile continuous Glucose Monitoring system. A small, wearable sensor measures your glucose every 5 minutes and sends the data to a dexcom receiver. Dexcom helps lower a1c and improves quality of life. If youre over 65 and you have diabetes, you should have a dexcom. If you get a dexcom, youre going to be very glad that you did. Visit dexcomnow. Com to learn more. Paul the white house released the outlines of an immigration plan that could offer a path to citizenship for 1. 8 million undocumented immigrants bought to the United States as children. That in exchange for 25 billion for Border Security including President Trumps long promised wall as well as other changes to u. S. Immigration. A proposal coming a day after the president told reporters that he would allow the immigrants known as dreamers to morph into citizens over a period of 10 to 12 years. The white house is expected to brief lawmakers on the details of the blan early next week but the proposal is already drawing fire from the right and the left. Dan, as you say, right and the left giving it grief. Donald trump is talking about a path to citizenship for the dreamers, and the other side hes going to get 25 billion to build the wall, which was a basic campaign promise. I dont see how you can give up on that, plus some other security measurings. But not things like e verify. The problem is here the goal should be to keep it simple. Youre going to need votes in the house and the senate. The right and the left have problems with this. The problem is when you get into stuff like chain migration, how many members of the family can come in and how much security youre going to proposal, immigration is a pa pandoras bx in legislative terms. Paul you have to give trump and the restrictionists something for the dreems. And not first r just fo drea. That could be 1. 8 Million People. If youre democrats or one of the dreamers yourself, you say thats a pretty good deal. So what are you going to give the restrictionists that trump trump he ran on it. I dont agree with that policy but we need to break the logjam on immigration. What are you going to give them . Youre going to have to give them something on the limit side. The restrictionist basically want, after this is done, they want immigration stopped and copped period, zero. All right. Paul i understand that. But thats not what this would end up with, bill. It would reduce probably maybe 4 or 500,000 if you restricted family immigration. The democrats caved on the government shutdown, it angered the prodaca community because they said they sold out. The original position was were not going to reach any deal unless daca is resolved. The question for the democrats is can they say yes. And maybe some of the details will change, numbers paul should be in gesh yaition. But the question is can they say yes. Same thing for the republicans. They have to make tradeoffs. Dwro onno one likes what we havt its a test of sensibility. Im with you even the details dont interest me as much as someone who was there during the collapse of the blushkennedy deal, congress is the proper venue for this and congress has been unable to deal with this through several administrations. And clearly the comprehensive thing is not in play for the reason that dan says. It complicates negotiations. We need to solve one piece of the pu