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Few days later, it hit me in the heart. He was a great friend of this network. Great patriot and a wonderful person. Thank you for that tribute. Sean i miss him. Hes irreplaceable. Laura absolutely, hannity. Fantastic show. Sean have a good show, laura. Laura im laura ingraham. This is the ingraham angle back in washington. Susan rice really wants to be joe bidens number two, and a shameless appearance, i dont know if any of you saw it. It was on meet the press. She told this story, secretary of state mike pompeo, well, guess what. He mike pompeo is here with the exclusive reaction tol, her charges against the administration and reminder to americans about what her ascension would bring. Also tonight, what do covid deaths really mean today when they continue to plummet as the number of cases arise . Of course we dont anyone to die of covid. Its a horrible thing and a tragedy, but what do these numbers really tell us . And why are the experts avoiding that truth . My medicine cabinet is here on that. The incredible news by hydroxychloroquine. The media spent the weekend lying about trumps Mount Rushmore speech, not at all surprising. Raymond arroyo will tell us how it relates to joe bidens latest union event in seen and unseen. Ly but first, why the left lies. Thats the focus of tonights angle. Democrats have reached i think the obvious conclusion that their only path, sure path to victory, is the burnitalldown approach of the neobolsheviks on the streets. Joe bidens team has formed common cause with those who not only seek the destruction of the nuclear family. If you dont believe me, check out blms website. Theyve actually decided that promoting racial hatred is the only way they can win. Lif they know that trumps policies, its obvious, have delivered results for working people of all races while there is have largely failed. The left hopes that the Racial Division and the hiding their candidate, they can avoid a real debate on the issue. Over the weekend, the president responded with two powerful speeches to celebrate our independence and identify the domestic forces now threatening it. His remarks on Mount Rushmore reaffirmed americas identity and inspired millions of americans whove basically been living in despair because of the onetwo punch of the virus and the continuing riots. These radicals would tear down the very heritage for which men gave their lives to win the civil war. They would tear down the principles that propelled the abolition ofin slavery. And ultimately around the world, ending an evil institution that plagued humanity for thousands and thousands of years. Im our opponents would tear apart the very documents that Martin Luther king used to express his dream. They would tear down the beliefs, culture, and identity that have made america the most vibrant and Tolerant Society in the history of the earth. We will proclaim the ideals of the declaration of independence and we will Never Surrender the spirit and the courage and the cause of july 4, 1776. Upon this ground, we will stand firm and unwavering. In the face of lies meant to divide us, demoralize us, and diminish us. Laura now, you can always tell how effective one of the president s speeches is by how frenzied the reaction from liberals. I actually thought it was some fantasy. Hes desperate. There was a lot about history, god, our great country. Much of a very ominous. There was no attempt here to unify the country. It was a divisive message. The president threw down the cultural war gauntlet in defense of dead white men. You realize how disturbed and how disturbing this president de really is. T laura i describe liberals and kasich and Jennifer Rubin are among them, you bet. If lying was an olympic sport, these folks would be draped in gold medals. In moments of rare candor, they know that trump beats biden hands down on jobs, wages for africanamericans. Trump beats biden on education. He favors liberation for parents and students who are stuck in bad schools. Trump beat biden on prison reform. Obama and biden both talked a good game. They didnt get it done. And of course trump has done something that biden never did. He has actually hired and promoted africanamericans and other minorities across his many businesses. Where biden and democrats are content to patronize africanamericans with these meaningless symbolic gestures, conservatives actually believe that minorities want what all people want a fair chance at prosperity and to pursue their happiness and freedom and safety. Trump knows this is only possible with vibrant, growing economy where all criminals are prosecuted. Meanwhile, biden thinks he can surf to victory on racial anger, stoked by mobs, many ofct whom e white, who would rather see every city in america burn than a second trump term. Now, this requires a massive effort to lie and defame. One that an honest press would have exposed long ago. As ive said before, instead of covering the democrats, the media cover for them. Their tactics and their toxic associations, im talking about. So long as the end game of any activist or politician is to rid america of trump, the press will excuse all manner of falsehood, hypocrisy, and even criminality. So tof stoke racial tension, the Biden Campaign requires a massive effort to lie and defame one that would have already been exposed long ago. When you think back, when you think about how this whole thing went down, how did it go down . It went down after this long shutdown. People had a lot of time on their hands. Again, if we continue to allow these lies and this ongoing slander and defamation to continue, well, what happens . People will continue to lose faith in the system of law and even in equal protection. Looters got a bad name during the george floyd protests. But thank goodness for the looters. You have a place called target. You have a store called target. Youre going tos. Be a target. These places have absently contributed to the oppression. Laura now, the left is even trying to get the broadway sensation hamilton canceled. If you think thats wacky, it is. Thats right, theres that cancel hamilton hashtag out there. Never mind that all the keyey roles, including those of Alexander Hamilton and George Washington are played by people of color in the musical, critics say it glosses over key facts. They claim hamilton was not an abolitionist and traded slaves for his inlaws. Ay cti the mere fact that it celebrates the founding era in any positive way, to good music, is ample reason for the left to call for its cancellation. Now, the only thing at this point that is sacred to them is the notion that if you are a leftist, you cannot be questioned or prosecuted for crimes. Yeah. The end justify the means, you bet they do. Past grievances means never having to say youre sorry. That media will give you a pass for anything. At the same time, they spy racism around every corner. Jussie smollett says he was assaulted by two masked men who yelled out racial and homophobic slurs. S. Police are investigating the incident as a possible hate crime. A horrifying racist incident. Heinous, heinous. Ugly. Ci crude and cowardly. , nascar is investigating a horrible incident. A noose was found in the garage stall of bubba wallace. Nascar may try to distance itself from it, its a living part of the sport. Laura trump tries to call him on it and then he becomes the target. Do you believe the president sees racism as a potential path to reelection . There is no doubt and i have said it before, this president ,l his political calculus is all about division, not addition. Laura why does the left do all of this . Well, its simple. To deflect from the democrats own horrific record on race, the economy, and crime. This is now a third week in a row where weve seen children shot and killed here. Part of a weekend where we saw more than 60 people shot and over a dozen peopleee killed. Point blank. What is happening right now . The ecosystem of Public Safety that isnt just lawenforcement but its local, communitybased, they too have really been hit hard by covid and are now just kind of coming back online and getting their footing. Laura what . H did you hear that . Chicago has seen a tragic level of violence since the black lives matter marches started and its claiming africanamerican lives and costing the black community dearly. Gi the bad guys arent the folks going to Mount Rushmore. They are criminals murdering children on the streets of our nations thirdlargest city. 80 people were shot, 17 killed in chicago last week . Eyng weekend alone. At least 13 of those were africanamerican. It gets even more tragic. Include being among the dead, 7yearold, natalia wallace. Ea she was shot in the head. She was visiting her grandmother for the fourth of july. Sadly, she wasnt the only child killed. In southeast d. C. , 11yearold davon mcneil, shot andou killed on the a fourth of july cookout with his family. Y. Armed thugs in atlanta murdered 8yearold Secoriea Turner near the wendys where Rayshard Brooks died at the hands of police. This is a senseless and awful killing, and its obviously left her parents heartbroken, shattered, and asking why. They say black lives matter. They killed my baby because she crossed a barrier to make a uturn. She killed the child. She didnt knew nothing to nobody. S laura every single one of these cities is run by democrats and rather than addressing violent crime, drugs, fatherlessness, plaguing so many communities, they just make excuses. S. They throw out phrases like systemic racism, unconscious bias, or White Privilege and minimizing the o importance of personal responsibility, love of ones neighbor, and the value of every human life. So rather than insisting on law and order, safety in every community, including africanamerican communities, this is the best they can offer. We talk about systemic racism and the trauma. You think about the leadership or the lack thereof that we have coming from the highest office in the land, i think that you are seeing so many emotions play out and too often its playing out in our streets. Laura emotions are playing out . I think some folks are still trying to pretend that all of this mayhem will stop if we just let the democrats have the white house. We have the democrats in power in atlanta, chicago, new york, baltimore and beyond and beyond. What happened . The thinking is foolish and naive. The democrats have shown they are utterly unwilling to restrain the hard left from seizing property and committing violence. As for the culture wars, why with the radical stop when they think they are winning. Ignore the folks who say it gets better when we let the democratt have more power. The only way this situation gets better is for democrats to lose and lose so oftenn that they are forced to apologize for their relentless slandering of our nations history and by extension, the majority of our citizens who still unapologetically love this country and still believe its worth celebrating and thats the angle. Joining me is craig shirley, president ial historian, and Ronald Reagan biographer. Craig, people like to say this feels like the 1960s, 1968. But what are we saying here . You heard all those sound bitess i just played from those ineffective mayors. What are we seeing from the left here thats different this time. Theres more of a mindlessness, irresponsibility today thanan there was the 1960s. Protests against the vietnam war but in some ways it was worse then, because we had something on the order 20, 30 gis dying in southeast asia. Parts of america were, lake erie was catching on fire. Pollution was out of control. Corporate pollution was out of control. In some ways, it was worse off. Economic deprivation was far worse in 1968 than it is today. On the other hand, there was a good reason to oppose on the part of many people, the war in vietnam. Some people did it peacefully. Other people didnt do it peacefully. Seems to be kind of a recklessness. With the acquiescence of much of the establishment, much of law enforcement, much of the Republican Leaders who arent standing up. I listened to trumps speech on saturday and i said thank god. Finally somebody is articulating american exceptionalism, american standards. Where not getting it from any other elected republican official. Laura craig, are you as surprised, or maybe we are not even surprise. You and i have been around washington for so many years, that there are so many feckless republicans and ineffective think tanks. If i hear the phrase think tank one more time, they love to quote the founders and their big fat dinners that they sponsor to raise money for themselves. When push comes to shove, where are they in defending the founders . Where are they . They are nowhere to be seen. The ivory tower is for a reason. They dont get their hands dirty. Get out. T they dont stuff envelopes. They dont work the phones. They dont run for office. Theyre all about offering suggestions and bromides and pearls of wisdom, things like that but when it comes when push comes to shove, they are nowhere to be found. Ive been in many, Many Political fights over the years. I worked on many, many campaigns. These people profess to be Movement Conservatives and fighters for the right things, ive never seen any of them in a Political Movement or fight. Laura i want to get your reaction to a quoteunquote factcheck. Democratic party did not found the kkk, did not the start the civil war. The article goes on to admitrs historians agree that although that factions of the Democrat Party did majorly contribute to the civil wars start and the kkks founding, its inaccurate to say that the party is responsible for either. Craig, i know you are chomping at the bit to get to this one. Nathan Bedford Forrest was a civil war general. He was a democrat. He was the founder of the kkk. The kkk was for all intents and purposes, the shock troops, the terrorist arm of the Democratic Party in the postcivil war era right up to the 1920s, right up until the 1950s, even into the 60s. They were the antifa of their era. The Democratic Party started the civil war because the republican Abraham Lincoln was elected in 1860. 1861, fort sumter was fired on by southern democrats. Pu the fort held by union troops. That was what kicked off the civil war. Was the attack by southern democrats on northern troops in fort sumter, Charleston Harbor in south carolina. I read that piece and i shook my head, thinking this is the perfect example of why the left is so dangerous. Because they will lie about anything to achieve power. Laura perfectly in line with the angles title, why they lie. This is the only way they can get power by distorting history and toppling statues. I guess they think thats the future. Craig, we are going to have you back real soon. Theres a lot we have to go through. Thank you so much. What im about to show you is one of the more shocking videos weve seen throughout the past few weeks. A small army of suppose that motion members converged onat te Stone Mountain monument in georgia yesterday. W watch what happened when some of them confronted a white driver. Worst nightmare. Go ahead. [indistinct] you have the nerve to have an attitude about it. Its not what you did. Laura joining me as dr. Wilfred reilly, assistant professor of Political Science at kentucky state w university. Dr. Wilfred, this moment strikes me as a dangerous tipping point. Your thoughts. I have a great deal of faith in the United States of america, and i dont think we are going to tip into any kind of actual quoteunquote race war or class war. But i think, i mean, this is an election year. I dont think itsua a coincidence. You are seeing a lot of the worst instincts people have politically being very intentionally ramped up right now thats never good. Laura you have members of a socalled militia. They all appear to be black. Going car windowow in a car window. A lot of people online were saying what if the races were reversed . The media would be going crazy about it. I hardly saw it covered at all. Except online. It certainly seemed different from what weve seen with protests or even tearing down statues. Well, i do think there is an element of truth to that. In my most recent book, taboo, i look at a lot of these cultural questions in american society, and one of the things that i find that other researchers have found many times before is that the large, 75 to 80 majority of those killed by police in a typical year areme caucasian or hispanic individuals. Those cases receive less than 20 of the Media Coverage of police violence. You can look at interracial crime the same way. Theres barely little interracial crime. 93 of black murder victims. The person most likely to kill you is your exwife or exhusband. 80 black on white. Among those two, Media Coverage slants in the coverage. What are the biases in the media that caused that . I think you might suspect with some of those are. Laura dr. Reilly, really quickly, this horrific violence that weve seen as the effort to defund the police has really accelerated, do you say, about 30 seconds, sir. You say its one of the greatest failings in revelations about black lives matter. Explain. I think that everyones who is not a virulent racist agrees with the statement that black lives matter but i think a great many black taxpayers and nonracist white americans are wondering if they agree with thc policy goals of the group named after that slogan. Yes, black lives matter right now, if you look at their website, it focuses almost entirely on police on black violence and white on black violence. I would like to see more focus brought to the real problem in black communities which very often it is black on blackck violence. 15,000 murders a year and half of those victims happen to be white murder victims, they are almost always killed by someone of the same race. Laura thank you for your perspective. Coming up, my exclusive interview with secretary of state mike pompeo. You dont want to miss it. State mikikikikik guys, times are tough. But force factors test x180 can help us man up, america, by boosting total testosterone. Build muscle, fuel desire, and improve performance. Get test x180 from force factor, the 1 fastestgrowing mens health brand at walmart. Laura given her recent media appearances, its pretty clear that susan rice is going to be joe bidens number two. Yesterday she revealed her political ambitions. She did so when she commented on what has largely turned out to be a very murky story concerning russian bounties on american soldiers in afghanistan. This is not the time to be handing putin an olive branch. We have a president who is doing our arch adversaries bidding it would seem, and he is surrounded by sycophants and weaklings who arent doing their jobs, who dont have the confidence in themselves and in the missionde that they are there to carry out. To bring the president the tough messages he needs to hear. I laura one of the targets of that smear, secretary of state mike pompeo, he joins me exclusively now. Mr. Secretary, great to see you. I know you feel that rices remarks show a lack of restraint that our country cant afford to have back in the white house. Explain it. Laura, thinks for having me on. To hear ambassador rice talk that way is just crazy. Pl she has a history of going on sunday shows online. Youll remember in 2012 she went on five sunday shows and when the people had perished in benghazi, libya, she made up ais story about a video when she knew full well this was a terror attack. She did so because it was politically convenient to say that and its the worst kind of behavior from a National Security leader and as for comments about russia, it was under the susan rices watch, under Vice President bidens watch that ukraine had one fifth of its real estate taken by Vladimir Putin with virtually no response. He was under her watch that syria was handed over to the russians as a result of a redline that obama had drawn in the sand within refused to enforce and youll recall when it comes to having american soldiers taken care of, what she suggests this administration didnt do, but as always it was her administration that was underwriting the Iranian Regime while it was killing american soldiers in the middle east. That was the administration the didnt care about our soldiers, sailors, airmen, and marines and didnt act in a way that was securing Americas National interest. Laura mr. Secretary, we dont have to play the sound bite but john bolton essentially in his never ending media tour for his book, he said its inconceivable that the president wouldnt have been briefed on this report about russia. Your responseiv to his continued push against the administration on these matters of National Security. Yeah, i dont want to go back and forth with john bolton either other than to say that much of what he had in his book and a number of the things he said in the aftermath g having proven to be true. He was there, and he saw this administration worked hard to make sure the president had all the information he needed to make good, sound National Security decisions. And with respect to this issue in afghanistan,e i can assure everyone of your viewers that this administration acted in a way to protect every americann who was serving in afghanistan. We have fought the taliban harder than the previous administers ever dreamed about fighting them, and now President Trump is going to protect our soldiers by working to get a peace and reconciliation deal that allows them to come home. Laura mr. Secretary, your thoughts on these former bush staffers. Th its kind of what they did when trump was running in 2016. All of these former bush staffers coming on saying we are going to support joe biden. What, what about that . What does that revealler about their alliances, the alliance is that they will make in order to defeat donald trump . Its sad. This is an administration that has executed its National Security function in a way that every american can be proud of. But it was striking Qassem Soleimani or the remarkable work we did take down the entire caliphate inut syria, terrorism. The work weve done to put pressure on iran. To watch these former officials now suggest somehow former Vice President biden is going to be the right outcome to protect americans is just silly. Laura what will their china policy look like . From what you know now with what biden believes is the real threat to the United States and the culture wars, whatea can we expect as americans as a policy toward china if that likelihood would come to pass . Laura, i think we know because we have eight years of history with president obama and Vice President bidens china policy. They did nothing. Whether it was on the important issues we are facing today on human rights, whether its in tibet or hong kong or in the western part where uighurs are being forced to conduct abortions and forced sterilizations, they did nothing. Whether it was in taiwan where they refused to do the right thing or protecting americans from predatory economicerei activity. Re costing americans hundreds of thousands of jobs here in the United States. We know what the Obamabiden Administration did with respect to china. Kotowed, appeased, turned the other cheek and left america in a weaker position. Laura i know that you have seen this. China is eradicating freedom in hong kong. He warned about this for years in the wall street journal reports chinese law now requires hong kong authorities to strengthen regulation of the media and the internet and empowers beijing to deploy state security agencies to establish a bureau overseeing National Security in hong kong. They are not ruling out, mr. Secretary, china is not, blocking hong kong citizens from leaving for the u. K. The u. K. Says you want to come back and live here, come here. Whats our response going to be . Would we welcome the hong kongers into the United States of china continues along this path which they most certainly will . Almostt certain they are goig to continue on this path. A few weeks back President Trump make clear that hong kong was no longer autonomous. I certify the same, and we can see this is going to end up being another communist run city. Its unfortunate. Hong kong was such a special place where there were all the freedoms that the people of hong kong were promised by the Chinese Communist party and its much like the promise they made to tell us the truth but where the coronavirus came from. We know it started in wuhan. We know it came from china yet they covered up for an awfully long time. Has the same kinds of broken promises that will lead the United States take the right response with respect to hong kongs new National Security law. Weet have already begun the process of revoking visas for people who made these decisions. There will be a series of actions that the administration will take. We love to preserve the freedom of hong kong but if we cant, we are going to hold the Chinese Communist party accountable. Laura finally, mr. Secretary, the chinese app tiktok has been banned by india, and australia is considering the same action, saying that it was full of mass surveillance and propaganda and that it had the ability to feed information straight to beijing. Kind of obvious question. If its that case, shouldnt weh be considering a ban on chinese social media apps, especially tiktok. We have worked on these issues for a long time. Weve gone all over the world and making real progress. Declaring them a danger to american National Security. We have done this. With respect to chinese apps on peoples cell phones, we will get itwe right. I dont want to get out in front ofs. The president but it something we are looking at. Laura would you recommend that people download that app on their phones . Only if you want your private information in the hands of the Chinese Communist party. Laura mr. Secretary, great to see you, as always. Thanks so much. Whats behind the lies that we heard about trumps Mount Rushmore speech . You take a few days off and anything can happen. How are they directly tied to bidens latest union event and your kids education . Raymond arroyo has a cantmiss seen and unseen in moments. Nobody likes a tight squeeze. Leanfire supplements from force factor contain ingredients clinically shown to help increase energy, burn fat, and double your weight loss. Dont struggle to fit in. Unleash your potential, with leanfire. Available at retailers nationwide. Laura its time for our seen and unseen segment where we reveal the stories behind the headlines. Joining up with details, raymond arroyo, fox news contributor. Great job filling in last week, awesome numbers. The media reaction to the president s Mount Rushmore speech was completely negative. What gives . Probably politics. The New York Times called it a dark and divisive speech. The washingtonel post wrote it was also a dark speech meant to exploit the nations racial and social divisions. Senator Tammy Duckworth went to step further. She is running, by the way, for bidens running mate. She put it this way. What really struck me about the speech that theena president gave at Mount Rushmore was that he spent more time worried about honoring dead confederates than he did talking about the lives of our 130,000 americans lost their lives to covid19. Laura, just wasnt true. We covered the Mount Rushmore speech live on their show. The president delivered what some thought was one of the best speeches of his presidency. He was sober. He spoke to the moment. He said absolutely nothing about confederates but he did say this. Listen. They enshrined a divine truth that change the world forever when they said to all men are created equal. These immortal words set in motion the unstoppable march of freedom. This leftwing cultural revolution is designed to overthrow the american revolution. Our children are taught in school to hate their own country. Laura i think this was frankly one of the best speeches hes given. It was very sober. I like it when he smiling and joking, but this is a serious moment when the countrys gone through a lot of pain. Duckworth said its worth considering whether washington should come down as well. Thats where they are going. We should have a dialogue about it, she said. The president has already had that dialogue me talked about the march to freedom. You have to respect it and embrace it. Everybodys part of the american story. Regarding the point you heard the president made about our children being taught to hate the country. E trump was headed to Mount Rushmore and joe biden was pandering to the National Education association, the Teachers Union, he broadcast from his home where they found him wearing his mask. Does he wear it in the shower . Oc why is it okay to take it off when he speaks . After unmasking, he explained his vision for education and reminded the union that jill biden is an nea member. It could be a teacher or department of education. Its not going to comeha from te top down. Its going to come from teachers up. You dont just have a partner in the white house. You have an nea member in the white house. Given the expected caretakers, he might have to sleep in the lincoln bedroom anyway. Notice bidens will be a student oriented department of education but a teachere oriented department. Forget about students and parents, biden promised to end charter schools. Its the example of the type of teacher biden supports. It was the first member of the Teachers Union chosen to address biden. Listen. My title is Media Coordinator. My selfgiven title is racial and social justice teacher. Black lives matter, period. It is my duty to structure a curriculum that talks through conflicts and issues such as police brutality. How to organize and how they can come to terms with the possibility that they might be the next victim of White Supremacy had absolutely no fault of their own. Teaching in the resistance is incredibly hard work. We have to do it because we need our kids to know that they are absolutely a part of this movement to smash White Supremacy. T laura wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. Theresac a lot there. Thats the go to teacher . I love how she says my selfdescribed title is. That kind of tells the story. When you and i were in school, a Media Coordinator was called a librarian. Now apparently its someone who foments protest, teaching kids that the summit of American History is agitation, not innovation, not love, not entrepreneurship. Just groupthink and Racial Division. We are much more than that. Laura what she said is she has met part of the resistance. Shes a member of the resistance. T and you are paying her. Laura forget sentence diagramming. My kids are trying to get sentence diagramming down. Forget the math. We are teaching to be organizers. They have moved onto diagramming autonomous zones. Congratulations, by the way, youre the mostwatched woman in cable and the second quarter. Congrats. Kudos. Laura i didnt even know that. You told me something i honestly didnt know. Announced latet last week. Laura think so much, raymond. Awesome job last week. I had a shocking admission from dr. Fauci about a possible covid vaccine. My medicine h cabinet tells us what it all means. 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So theres going to be followup on those cases to see if we need a boost. We may need a boost to continue the protection. S right now we do not know how long it lasts. Laura okay, here with what all of this means, a cardiologist. Dr. Stephen smith, Infectious Disease specialist who has treated so many Covid Patients over the last three and four months. Doctor, whats going on with what fauci just said . I think hes laying crepe for the fact that these vaccines simply wont work. Last week moderna executives were reported in the Washington Post to have dumped 200 billion worth of stock. They then announced that they werent Going Forward with a 30,000 patient phase three trial. It makes one wonder whether or not there are problems with their phase two trial, namely that the patients have had adverse effects. All of the platforms are based on this new and unproven technology. So its going to be very interesting. I think hes preparing for us not to have a vaccine frankly. Laura okay. So we needed a vaccine, correct, in order to get back to quote normalcy. Thats what we keep hearing. The short answer is no, we dont and no, we never did. What we need to do to get back to normalcy is quarantine high risk individuals and then we need to get back to our lives. Probably not locking down. Accelerating the socalled herd immunity which is not just our holy grail but which is whats going to get us out of this epidemic like its gotten us out of prior epidemics. Laura speaking of which, we are trying to get dr. Smiths back on the line. Dr. William haseltine gave this dire assessment of our efforts to fight the pandemic. Watch. Herd immunity is a fantasy. It does not exist for these viruses. Its a fantasy and a dangerous fantasy. Even at best. Perhaps millions of people die. Are we really that far back to the preantibiotic era . Laura dr. Smith, i think we have you. What is he talking about . No herd immunity. Its worthless . Theres a lot that we can do. [indistinct] laura we have a lousy connection. Hold on. We have a lousy connection. I dont know what is going on at your house. Maybe rain, maybe lightning. Doctor, the trashing of herd immunity, even the president has kind of poohpoohedon it a numbr of times. The herd. I love that box. I think its a mistake to trash it. The reality is that the mechanism by which all vaccines work. Its the way weve gone through and conquered prior pandemics and epidemics. Herd immunity is real and its already occurring as we speak. Since memorial day, we have seen people get out and about. We have seen a rise in positive tests. But as youve seen, people arent getting as sick. Death rates continue to drop. This is what you see in herd immunity. It is virology 101, the first and second year of medical school. Laura one of our mutual friends says we are going to end up like sweden. A lot of people dont understand, what does that mean . We didnt kind of let it roll. We didnt keep kids in school. Sweden did, at least younger kids. How does it, what does it mean we will end up like sweden . I think what our friend is referring to is the fact that slowly and surely herd immunity hass developed. The virus, as it attenuates and mutates becomes less and less problematic. Sweden was smart. They quarantined their most vulnerable. They left their healthiest, least vulnerable individuals, namely children, continue their schooling and that was much better for both the educational system and the help of their country and their economy. We are about three weeks behind. Laura since youve treatedor so many patients over the last month, i want to get your reaction. You appear with us last week but i wasnt here. The hydroxychloroquine study that dropped from the henry fort Clinic Health system there, the mortality rate for patients on hydroxy was basically cut in half. It basically smashed back at all the doubters, all the critics. Your point is that we should take the hydroxychloroquine we have in our stockpile and perhaps consider giving it prophylactically to Health Care Workers. Explain. Le there are studies, and this is done in india routinely, where hydroxychloroquine is given in low doses t as prophylaxis to protect highrisk individuals. India, specifically, the protocols for Health Care Workers. We now have a burst of infections in the southern states. A lot of it is do to people coming up from mexico. The way to protect First Responders and other Health Care Workers i think is very evident evidencebased and its to give them prophylactics. Laura doctor, thank you so much. Great to see you. When we come back, a literal last bite. Laura its time for the last bite, or maybe a nibble. Family and friends hit family and friends hit the river in jackson, wyoming on friday for some fishing. I didnt want to show off. Heres my award winner. You see the fish . So many punchlines, so little time. A tiny little thing like a baitfish. Dont forget, always dvr the ingraham angler, so bad. Take it from here, shannon. Shannon you know the post. I find myself, you get that fish is close to the camera as possible. It gets bigger. It is a little sardine. What can you do . Shannon you spot it and take a victory lap. Shannon have a great show. Shannon several children among the dead following up on the weekend of violence across the country, in chicago at least 17 People Killed since thur