martial arts, and you'll never get sick again. >> sean: here is my elbow to you. have a good show. >> laura: all right hannity, i'll see you tomorrow. i'm laura ingraham, this is "the ingraham angle" from washington tonight. as the debate rages over students returning to schools, what happened when one college said they are coming back and staying? liberty universitie university w it went on their campus. a former eye doctor on why he thinks this virus may interfere, and what he think of his old organization. and a follow up on the hydroxychloroquine follow-up. there are a lot of unhinged people out there, i'm almost getting worried about them. but what if i told you in one state, more people over the age of 100 die from coronavirus than under the age of 45. should that state still be locked down? "the ingraham angle" investigates. but first, the kids aren't all right. that is the focus of tonight's "angle." about three quarters of the world's schoolchildren are not in school, and they are not there because of covid-19. it affects about 1.5 billion children and young people. i searched, and i can't find any example of this ever having happened anywhere else in the modern world, not in history. now, few disagree that prolonged absence from the classroom has profound implications for children's well-being. there development, and their knowledge retention. black friday, one of the most renowned pediatric specialists in the world, expressed his concern on the show about the harm this is causing. >> we know from studies now out of china that depression rates in kids who have been locked down are up 20 to 30%. we know that children from low income families in particular for being homeschooled, they are not getting an adequate education, because their parents are working, because they don't have high-speed internet, and those kids are falling further and further behind. >> laura: at risk kids are especially vulnerable, certainly that makes sense. almost all moms with whom i speak are frustrated, and they're frankly frightened that these closers are going to continue indefinitely. whether parents work outside or inside the home or they are stay-at-home parents, most are not well-suited to be teaching an array of subjects, especially if they have multiple children. by the way, the teachers don't seem all that thrilled, either. to speak all of my kids in my classroom are all relaxing, talking, movement, busyness, and i've gone from that to a totally different thing where i am and i.t. person looking at a screen all day just trying to help parents with tech issues all day long. >> laura: okay, i've been there, guilty as charged, trying to figure out the tech issues. digital learning, distance learning, online classes, they have a place and they may work as a supplement or short periods of time, but it all gets old fast, and it leads, in some cases, to a feeling of isolation, and it just doesn't engage people like in person learning. yet, 192 countries pulled kids out of school, and these decisions were based not so much on science, but out of an abundance of caution. you really can't blame people. everyone is worried, freaking out, don't want anything to happen to their kids. so what do we know now about the health risks to children and two adults if they return to school? well, we know now that overwhelmingly, children do not get seriously ill from covid, thank goodness. most testing positive or totally asymptomatic. recently, health officials are reporting instances, though, of an inflammatory reaction in kids that could be covid-related, although it is also rarely fatal. the real debate right now surrounds how much, if at all, children spread the virus to adults. the idea that they are silent super-spreader's -- that sounded super scary some weeks ago -- but that basically has been debunked. more research is needed, yet we regard the school issue, maybe we start thinking about it this way, a comparison to influenza might be illustrative. according to the cdc's numbers, which is all we have to go by, this past flu season was a very bad one for children. while only a handful of children died from covid nationwide as of may 9th, the cdc reported 174 pediatric flu deaths this seas season. in addition, we had 18 million medical visits and 410,000 hospitalizations due to the influence of the season. again, according to the cdc. on its website, the cdc estimates between -- this is curious -- 24,062,000 preliminary flu deaths. that's quite a range. complicated, i guess, to get the states turning in all of their data, but could be as many as 62,000. why didn't we hear about the flu vis-a-vis kids in school. even with a double barrel of threats of influenza a and influenza b, which kids were susceptible to the season, and the fact it's highly contagious among classmates, we had no why skill school closers in the united states. i didn't even hear anyone suggesting them. even during the swine flu epidemic, only about 726 of the more than 131,000 k-12 schools in the country shutdown. i'm not saying covid-19, by the way, is like the flu. it is not. but what i am saying is far more children died of influenza this year, that it's highly contagious among them, yet no one seriously considered keeping most of our nation's schoolchildren at home because of the danger. now, last month, a review was published of past coronavirus studies, and it suggests that closing schools may only have a minor role in suppressing covid-19. you look at the data from sars and that outbreak in mainland china, hong kong, and singapore, and it suggests school transmissions played no substantial role in the outbreak. and that school closures and other activities, such as school temperature monitoring, did not contribute to the control of infectious transmission. i guess we will see how it goes with covid-19, but certainly worth noting that. now, in sweden, schoolchildren there were never pulled from schools, and meanwhile, the guardian reports that reopening schools in 22 european countries has not led to any significant increase in coronavirus infections among children, among parents, or staff. now, there was a thing in france, 70 people in an outbreak, but out of a huge number of people back in school, they have a handle on that. today, i went on a two hour bike ride through d.c. with my 11-year-old, went through the woods, went through parts of the city, and all four of us go on these long walks in the woods, most mornings. my kids and i. that's been a treat for me. and for them, usually, although sometimes they roll their eyes at me, but that's just the way it goes. these are memories i cherish because they are home from school, we can do that. but i have to say i'm really worried about how much they really learned this semester. even how great their teachers are, it's still not the same, and i see how much they miss their friends and their teachers, and the administrators at their schools. i'm also thinking -- and we pray for this every night -- about the less fortunate among us. they don't have any help, they don't have the luxury of venturing into nature every day, perhaps. and what about the front-line workers? they can't find child care or someone to supplement the teaching of their kids. what happens if unemployed people in the fall find jobs -- we hope they do -- yet their kids schools say "sorry, they are not coming back?" we need to get creative and not abandon classroom learning, certainly since we don't have any real data to back this up. now, check this out. cambridge university has basically given up, and they've announced they are not opening until i think the summer of 2021, at this point. but we can be smarter, and r. notre dame just announced that its opening in the fall but they are going to end their semester a little early and kill the fall break. i don't know why they have the fall break anyway there, but they are killing that in case there is a second wave. they are moderating, but getting people back. kids need school at all ages. we can protect their health, and we can protect their minds. we can use our innovation, and we can use our common sense. and no, i'm sorry, zoom is not the answer. and that is the "angle." my next guest is a practicing pediatrician and santa monica, california, who says we need to reopen summer schools, not just for the sake of kids, but for the parents' well-being, is also. dr. robert hamilton is the author of "seven secrets of the newborn," fantastic, and he joins me now. dr. hamilton, i can tell you just in my mom group, there's a lot of people, they are at their wits' end, okay? they are trying to figure out how to keep everything set with all of the technology and resume classes. how are these school closures that you can see taking a toll? will get to kids in a moment, but on parents who are not being able to go to work, even if they have jobs that require them to go to work. >> sure. first of all, laura, thank you. i'm honored to be part of your show tonight. and you're hitting it on the head. i think there is a fatigue among parents. we have been actually open the entire time, we haven't stopped the office, and we are seeing a lot of families in the office, and i asked them, i say, "how is the education at going?" and the answer, as you can imagine, you just said it, it's not going to well. and i'm talking about kids not only going to public schools, but who are going to very fancy, high end, private schools, where they are getting, you know, great education -- and listen, let me say one thing. i do think the teachers, the administrators, the people who are trying to educate these kids online, they are doing a heroic job, and we give them -- i want to give them credit for doing that. but it isn't the same. as you mentioned in your "angle" there, laura, which i loved, clearly, it isn't the same. we all know that. face-to-face interaction, communication, is the way to learn. >> laura: i mean, you can see it. there's a bit of a despondency, and i haven't had a chance to talk to other kids on the phone and parents, and i agree with you, the teachers -- i mean, thy are trying to do their best. the administrators trying to do their best balancing all these concerns. but here is what your governor, gavin newsom, set about schools reopening. check it out, doctor. >> will schools in california be open this fall? >> i think some schools will not be. it's all predicated on data, science, not just observed evidence. the reality on the ground. >> laura: doctor, is that response really based in the "science?" because i have been scouring the science for the last three weeks on this -- if anything, science says the opposite of what they are saying. >> yeah, no, i can tell you have done your homework, laura, by listening to your monologue there. i think it really depends on the science. i think the reality is that covid-19 has actually been a relatively mild infection for children. we all know that. i think the numbers are around 1.7% of people who are getting infected are actually children between 0 and 18, and that is a pretty big age category. furthermore, they are really coloring, as you mentioned, the majority of them are actually asymptomatic, okay? so they are getting it, they are testing positive, but they are doing quite well. up people don't even know they have it. and you are correct, the education situation is really not working, and if you want us to look at that data -- and frankly, i will tell you, there's another side you alluded to, that is the emotional side that is really taking a toll. maybe not with the newborn's, maybe not with the little kids, the toddlers, but when you're getting into junior high, elementary school, high school in particular, these kids are having a tough time. >> laura: i think dr. dr. hamilton, being science-based, requires actually taking a step back and looking at what we know and what we don't know. i mean, we had a horrific flu season. i know you solace in your practice, horrific. all hundred 74 kids died of the flu. >> i think when people -- what we are doing right now is we are looking at every number of covid-19. we did the very same thing with flu and tracked every case that happened every death, as tragic as they are, i think we would whip ourselves up into panic about the flu, as well. >> laura: and we never leave our homes. and again, we are not saying they are the same thing, but when we talk a risk assessment toward children, dr. hamilton, thank you so much for coming on tonight, we really appreciate it. >> pleasure to be here, laura. >> laura: the decision of my next guest will allow students back on campus in march was supposed to end incomplete carnage, and the media ram hundreds of articles predicting as much. "the new york times" on march 29th, liberty university brings back its students and coronavirus too. the next day, the papers' president buffoon, seems to have created his own personal viral hot spot. march 31st, "the washington post" claimed an authoritarian power structure brought coronavirus to liberty university. and e.r. doctor even went so far as to tell "the daily beast," if liberty reopens, people will die, except none of that happened. according to the school, not a single student or staff are on campus he joins me now. jerry, what is your message to the media and naysayers and other college presidents who are apprehensive about reopening? >> well, if you are a conservative college president, be careful, they will come after you. it was totally political, and it was so -- just so reprehensible how they did it. they spent days on campus, "the new york times" reporter and the other reporter, propublica, and even though there were no trespassing signs anywhere, never called to ask us for any comment, never talked to our on-campus doctor, a doctor who worked for a across town, and finally called us on sunday, march 29th, at noon, and gave us until 3:00 to comment, and then they published. we were scrambling, trying to pull everybody together on a sunday. but that shows their intent to. their intent was to create this false impression, you know, the doctors they did talk to said there were a few students with upper respiratory, you know, allergy, colds, which covid is a lower respiratory -- >> laura: hey, jerry -- so you had -- i'm sorry to rush you along here, but you did not see what they all said would happen. this was it, like, definitive. you are bringing people to get terribly ill and to become super-spreader's of the virus. none of that happened. >> nothing. we have a campus built for 16,000, 1200 students came to stay at the dorms for seven weeks, they were students who either didn't have high-speed internet at home, who either had elderly relatives living at home, who were international students, and so they had no place else to go. we went totally to online format -- by the way, liberty is like to schools, we have 100,000 adults in the online program, and we spent the last 40 years perfecting bad, so no class is bigger than 25 students -- >> laura: yeah, you were ready. >> i disagree a little bit with what you said earlier, because of online is done right, not just haphazardly like we've seen with most universities, it -- >> laura: we're not going to debate that. i'm talking about children, little children. the colleges is a different dynamics, especially for people who don't want to pay huge amounts of money. but jerry, the thing about this is we got cambridge university, one of the most esteemed, incredible schools in the world, who's already announced they are not going to have any on-campus learning for the next year. i mean, i'm stunned. >> i think that's completely disregarding the welfare of their students. i think student -- i think colleges have an obligation to do whatever they can to continue the students' education. that's what we did. we did it in a safe manner, really became the model. we had all take out at our restaurants, we had social distancing, all of the academic buildings were open so they could spread out, and it was -- it worked perfectly, and even the one student who is an online student, never was on campus, tested positive, it turns out he quit school to go to the nfl draft back early in march, even though he was on mine, but somehow that got press. >> laura: i got it, i got it. jerry, thank you so much for joining. i'm glad you gave people the choice, they want to stay home and learn, they can do that. >> it was either do that or send them back to hot spots like new jersey, new york, or stay here and stay safe. >> laura: you might have even saved lives, who knows. >> i think we did. >> laura: i wonder what the immunity is in your population, do widescale immunity testing, i'd be curious to see. >> they are young, so it is not as dangerous. >> laura: thanks so much. all right, and one month ago, i asked dr. fauci if the virus could change and even attenuate, maybe even go away, like sars did come in about six months. he said no, but my next guest, a former w.h.o. official, thinks that is exactly what is happening. also, a follow-up to the media's hydroxy freak out. dr. stephen smith is here to clear it up for us, next. ♪ >> laura: this could disappear. i mean, sars did pretty much disappear, and this could come as well, correct? >> yeah, you know, anything could, laura, but i have to tell you, the degree of efficiency of transmissibility of this is really unprecedented. >> laura: dr. fauci -- >> viruses don't just disappear. >> laura: in the months since that interview with dr. fauci, the media and medical establishment have become convinced devastating second wave of covid -- it's not if it hits, it's when it hits. fall or the winter. the w.h.o. predicting this, just the other day. >> this virus may become just another endemic virus in our communities, and this virus may never go away. hiv has not gone away, but we have come to terms with the virus. >> laura: but former w.h.o. official and physician, professor carol sikora, is challenging that narrative, being pushed by his old employer. professor sikora, thank you so much for being on with us. i think we both contend this virus could come back in the fall, anything could happen, it could come back in the winter, but why is the other possibility of attenuation, basically nothing, so quickly dismissed? just come educate us. >> so basically, there are two factors -- well, three factors end a pandemic. the first, our behavior, the host, how humanity reacts to it, social distancing, avoiding crowds, that sort of thing, the very fear that this virus changes our behavior pattern. the second thing is the virus itself. how it deals with the fact that increasing in munich communities out there in its host. and it's changing, saw summer weather has come in north america, and things are moving on. the third thing, of course, is what actually happens in terms of the fear factor. and how we go into the autumn and see another wave. i've heard all of the doom doom-related theories. i'm an oncologist, i can't treat cancer patients properly because they're not coming forward for diagnostic service at the moment, so i am incentivized to get things moving. it strikes me, as you look at all of the data all around the world, where people have come out of lockdowns, things are actually going along quite nicely on the hole, and it's strange, it's as though something has changed, and none of us can explain why. we need to make a vaccine. of course. we need to try to get one, let's hope that we don't need to wait until we vaccinated 60% of the community, because i could certainly take until next year. >> laura: there is a new study out, dr. socorro, that seems to be very significant. bloomberg is reported reporting that the so-called "re-positive" patients were found to have spread any lingering infection s samples collected from them can be grown in culture, indicating patients were shedding noninfectious or dead virus particles. so my question -- another doctor friend of mine who is really smart, said to me today -- who has become an expert, as an oncologist, and how that might involve here -- he says that could actually help build immunity in people with that shedding of even dead virus. is that accurate? >> absolutely. we've all gone for the antibody testing, less than 10% of them in our cancer centers actually have antibodies, but almost certainly there are other -- a whole range of things that we don't understand as well as we understand antibodies. you measure what you can see. rather than what you probably really need to measure. all of these things, the interaction of the host -- that's us -- and the virus, and every pandemic, from the plague in venice, from the plague, way back in the times of christ, we've seen them peter i would come and we don't understand the petering out, despite the sophisticated modeling as we've, we just don't know what is going to happen, but i need to be optimistic, otherwise more people will die from cancer than have died from covid. >> laura: professor sikora, thank you so much, and all of those people who have not gotten there cancer screening, i hope they can get to their doctors, and please get checked, and get your treatments as they are scheduled. please do that. thank you, professor. and apparently everyone is still very upset today over president trump's use of hydroxychloroquine. they obsessed with it, as a prophylactic. my next guest, dr. stephen smith, has become so think of a regular on this show during this crisis. he has used with great success in treating his own covid patients. dr. smith, it's wonderful to see you tonight. here was the trump administration staring down the resistance earlier today. watch. >> hydroxychloroquine is used by thousands and thousands of front-line workers. seems to be an extra line of defense. >> once a drug has been approved and is on the market, a doctor, in consultation with a patient, may use it for what we call "off label purposes," this is a right to try president. >> people should want to help people, not to make political points. >> laura: dr. smith, i'm a little confused here as to why the white house dr. would approve the president taking eight drug one person yesterday said could kill you. what are many people missing here? >> we've been over this before, i don't -- i just want to say hello, laura, first. i don't understand the misrepresentation of the safety of hydroxychloroquine. we know it is an extremely safe drug. the fda knows it, i don't know why they changed their minds. the fda has conflicting opinions. they have it worth -- i think over 400 trials now, looking at hydroxychloroquine and all use higher doses in either of the covid regiments. all of them require ekg monitoring. i don't get this reaction. it's a safe drug i've been taking since the middle of march before i saw my first patient. plaque window has been used with lupus patients for years, and it can't -- for lupus patients, really toxic to the rest of us, that's the part i don't get. >> laura: the point that is made by those very concerned about this is look, there is no definitive consensus -- or no series of studies that indicate that this works as a prophylactic, or even early in the treatment. there was a chinese study, there was professor raul's study, but not a randomized, controlled study. so that is what they will say. there is no science behind any of this. and to that, you say what? >> we should stop treating syphilis. none of the syphilis trials were done in a controlled fashion and none of them went back after they knew we were supposed to do randomized controlled studies. should we ignore the cdc's recommendations? no, the cdc puts out the syphilis guidelines every few years, and they stay the same because we use the same drugs for syphilis. not one of those has ever been examined, not one of those antibiotic regiments has ever been exam for any stage of syphilis in a randomized controlled trial. this happens a lot in medicine. we don't have perfect data and we have to make decisions -- we do have date of this drug does work. it's folly to say otherwise. the trials that show doesn't work, and it's a lot easier for a trial to show a drug doesn't work when it's not a randomized trial, because a lot of things can lead to that, there's a huge selection bias, obviously, involved when doctors decide to give some patients drugs and other patients not drugs. we are human beings, tend to give the sicker patients the drugs. so that's really hard to control for. in the end, when you're trying to analyze the data. when you do a retrospective cohort review looking back at patients, that's really difficult to control for those things. and it's much easier to say drug doesn't work because you bias against yourself. that's actually what happened with those other trials. >> laura: dr. smith, "the washington post" headline claiming a couple of days ago, may 15th, that hydroxychloroquine linked to deaths that he said was a game changer. no reputable studies linking hydroxychloroquine, and saying it is linked to deaths, and then you go read the article, and the only deaths they cite are the va study that pretty much anyone with any, you know, sense about him or her, knows it's not even a study, it's a goofball thing, not even done by the va. the va secretary just filleted it today at the press conference. it's very frustrating, but you are a practicing physician. do you prescribe this every day, almost every day, to your patients come in one form or another? >> we do, and we actually offer -- not only that, but the swab mob is out and we got over a thousand patients, seven positive, and we offer to the volunteers in the swab mob. if they want to go on a prophylactic, they are offered it, as i am taking it. >> laura: that is dr. smith's group that is a charitable organization, called "the swab mob," which is doing this testing, and raising their own money to do it. dr. smith, thank you for doing that and being a sane voice out there and sharing your own experiences with this drug that, as you said, you had no problems with. thank you so much. we really appreciate it. >> you're welcome. thanks, laura. >> laura: shocking numbers out of pennsylvania that could have every official close to reopening paying their heads in shame. next. we can't offer much during this time of crisis, but we can offer what we have. so from all of us working early mornings on the farm, long days in the plant, or late nights stocking shelves doing all we can to get you the milk you need. we hope it makes your breakfast a little brighter. your snacks more nutritious. and reminds you when it comes to caring, there is no expiration date. milk. love what's real. when taking a break from everyday life is critical to everyone's health, there is one thing we can all do together: complete the 2020 census. your responses are critical to plan for the next 10 years of health care, infrastructure, and education. let's make a difference, together, by taking a few minutes to go online to 2020census.gov. it's for the well-being of your community and will help shape america's future. ♪ ♪ >> laura: friday night, we were the first to tell you about colorado is revising its covid deaths down by a whopping 20%. now, he did this by clarifying who died from covid up as opposed to people who died with covid, and now it appears that washington state may be doing the same thing, because analysis by the washington-based freedom foundation indicates the state's covid death toll may be inflated by washington by as much as 13%. here to explain is max nelson, policy at the freedom foundati foundation. here is how the government responded when you ask him this. >> giving the importance of metrics in your decision-making, if one number is inaccurate, and it's a very prominent number in our reporting, are you not concerned it undermines the data and the confidence the public will have in your reliance on the data? >> well, i haven't seen this assertion. the problem is you've got some people out there who are fanning these conspiracy claims from the planet pluto. >> laura>> laura: so wait a sec, really quickly: are you a conspiracy theorist, or are you a numbers guy? >> oh, we are totally numbers people here at the freedoms foundation. the basis for our report was all information provided to us by governor inslee's own department of health and the state of washington. there is not an issue with our numbers here. >> laura: it is a clever tactic, though, that democrats and those on the left, they immediately try to discredit you saying you are a conspiracy theorist because the numbers aren't matching up. what next, given the fact he said from the covid crisis, they are going to pursue more aggressively climate change, which is what he said today. what next? >> well, the ball is really in his court, this is an opportunity for governor inslee to do the right thing. we've documented now that the states numbers are inflated by as much as 13%, we've documented -- counting everyone who dies after testing positive for covid-19. as a covid-19 death, even if there is no indication on the person's death certificate that covid-19 played any role in their passing. you saw his response from the press conference. he dismissed the evidence out of hand without even looking at it even though it came from his own state agency, but he has an opportunity to do the right thing, and you mentioned that vox called out the governor of colorado when it came out there state was counting everybody who tested positive and then died as a covid-19's death. he did the right thing, and over the weekend, he called on the cdc to make sure they weren't making the same mistake. governor inslee has an opportunity to correct his reporting. >> laura: all right, max, thank you. we are going to be following up with you on this because again, italy revised its numbers down. colorado revised its numbers down. and washington state, we hope, will do the right thing, as well. again, not everyone who has covid dies of it. every death is tragic, but this -- there are real-world consequences for the numbers. max, thank you for doing actual reporting that others aren't doing. >> my pleasure, laura. thank you. >> laura: pennsylvania is another state that revised down its covid deaths, but new numbers tonight are even more noteworthy. according to state data, there have been more covid deaths among people over the age of 100 men covid deaths of those under the age of 45. more deaths among those 95 and older than people under 60. some perspective for you. and get this: more people over the age of 85 who died of covid then people under 80. again, we don't want anyone to die of any of this, and every family member who lost someone feels the pain, so that is beside the point. that is critical to note. with the data matters. they say they are science-driven. no governor who continues to lock down his or her state when we have these facts should remain in office much longer. joining me now is phil kerpen with the committee to unleash prosperity. phil, why don't we hear more leaders framing this health crisis in terms of who is most vulnerable, given what you discovered and what we are pointing out tonight? >> it's a very good question, laura, because i think it has become overwhelmingly clear that this really is a disease of the nursing homes and other long-term care facilities, overwhelmingly, especially in a state like pennsylvania were over two-thirds of all of the deaths are in long-term care facility, it is interesting, i found this chart today because i was looking for the latest fatality numbers in long-term care facilities and actually didn't publish one today for the first time in a long time, so maybe we'll get a new number tomorrow, but they did have this chart that was just stunning. i think it's exactly 70 people over the age of 100 have died from covid in a state of pennsylvania, and only between 33 and 45 people under the age of 45 have. if you go up to the age of 50, only 90 people in the whole state out of the 4,000 plus people who have died under the age of 50, 90 people, while 70 0 are over 100. we are pursuing the costliest possible, least effective strategy when we lock down the entire state, or in some cases, you know, for a time, lock down the entire country, and we fail to protect the most vulnerable people -- >> laura: that's what i'm saying! >> yeah, that's what happened there. >> laura: we just got finished with a segment on schools, and how they need to be back in session, and you are hitting the point of how the elderly need to be car cared for and protected,d all of these people in the middle, who some have comorbiditis, how bmi affects complicated things, all these things, all of this has to be looked at, but facts do matter, and people who claim they are all about facts, phil, are like -- fact if you'd them come in the end. i want to put up something really quickly. this is the case of an individual -- let me just put this up. this is a coroner who said the primary cause of a man's death with a head injury from a fall at home. but that the virus in the form was listed as a contributor and factor to his death. he fell at home, but the virus was at fault, phil. >> well, that is the cdc definition, as you know, and colorado is the only state giving us the real number, i'm glad it was a democratic governor who did it, no one can say it was partisan. but more governors need to step up, give us the actual number of people who died from covid-19. a lot of people, the first state to tell us the number, what do you mean, i mea see the numbers everywhere. >> laura: phil, we've got to go, but thank you -- again -- for doing reporting. actual facts matter. up ahead, as the u.s. and china engage in a high stakes game, tit for tat, why are they doing the chinese communist party's bidding. we are going to tell you next. ♪ >> if technology companies like apple are willing to oblige the demands of authoritarian regimes, they certainly have no excuse for failing to cooperate with the rule of law nations that respect civil liberties and privacy rights. >> laura: that was attorney general barr laying into apple for bolling to china, routinely helping oppress the country's people, instead of unlocking the iphone of the pensacola terrorist. joining me now, reaction? speak i think he is absolutely right. the chinese communists are a menace to the world and the fact our own tech companies, apple and google and the rest, are willing to help them but a digital boot on the neck of the chinese people while not helping us counter terrorism, is a shame. we need to treat them as the enemy they are and start doing appropriate measures against them. >> laura: i want everyone to see this troubling comment from an nbc news correspondent earlier today. >> we talked about this yesterday, nicole, trying to really do diplomacy better than america at this stage, where president xi steps up and gives an address we didn't know he was going to do until hours before. and kind of steals the limelight. >> laura: yesterday he said, well, we only sent our hhs secretary, meanwhile china was dominating -- it was very interesting that the american media would give china global legitimacy at a group with the w.h.o., with all of the baggage, going into this. >> yeah, there are no shortage of cowards, quislings, and collaborators in the western media, academia, think tanks, politicians, and i'm sorry, my fellow countrymen are part of it. you just saw david cameron, the former prime minister, involved in all of this, with huawei united states, and it goes down to a basic level in united states, also, you see schools like elementary school in utah where children are being made to run xi jinping letters and watch military parades, and you see -- we published just this evening for the benefit of your viewers, a list of u.s. corporate's who have been coerced by the chinese communist party to work for them or with them, including apple when they got rid of the hong kong maps app, which was allowing freedom and democracy protesters to come together, it's all going on around us. we used to look for reds under the bedroom, but they are on the floor and cutting room, laura. >> laura: when he think of money china has come a sparkling universities and endowing chairs in some cases, around the world, stipends to professors who help collaborate or cooperate, expanding ties -- it all sound so innocuous. what needs to happen going forward in order for us to keep our privacy in the belt and road initiative come all of those projects they want to dominate. >> we need to treat the chinese communist party as the threat to the planet it truly is. you know, we fought a cold war against the other communist death cult, the soviet union, and defeated them. it's time to treat this as the cold war it is that they've been waging against us. the president had most of his pipe hitters from the house out at camp david this weekend, you know, dan crenshaw, matt gaetz, and those folks, and they were doing some planning as to how we can actually start acting like this is a full on, global conflict, and i think we need to treat u.s. companies that collaborate with china and to give them sanctions and other things to talk them out of helping our enemies. >> laura: we've got to do it, and raheem, we are going to read that on a national pulse tonight, as well, i'll treat that out. gentlemen, thank you for your commentary and insight tonight. finally, you are not going to believe the length some people are going to in order to eat out. "the last bite," next. well, we used to. new ortho home defense max indoor insect barrier kills and prevents bugs for up to a year without odors, stains or fuss. new ortho home defense max. bugs gone. stress gone. >> laura: would you go out to eat at a restaurant if it meant wearing this? >> the mask will be open when you want to eat, and then, it will be easy to go to restaurants and to be in a public place, and then people will eat and have the protection against the coronavirus. >> laura: that looks perfectly sanitary, doesn't it? that's all the time we have tonight. shannon bream, "fox news @ night" team take it from here. shannon, would you ever use that mask? >> shannon: you are totally plunking us, that is not for real. i know that we will find out that that guy is pulling it over all of us. no way. i would wait until i felt the timing was appropriate. the food up in there and everything. anyway, thank you, laura. >> laura: have a great show. >> shannon: we begin tonight with a fox news alert, stunning information emerging from nursing homes in pennsylvania tonight. where the commonwealth removing the secretary from her nursing home as the coronavirus is spreading. and growing calls for investigation in new york as the death