Be a very different reaction. Laura lets face it, the reason Kirsten Gillibrand has suddenly found sense is that she is positioning herself for a 2020 president ial bid. She wants to run for higher office. And its interesting by the way how she mentioned lewenski but conveniently forgot about all the other women who accused bill clinton. Juanita broderick, juanita jones, Kathleen Willey and yes, there were many others. When jill brand was running for office in 2006, whom did she call to help her raise money . Bill clinton, of course. And she, like many Democratic Women before her, had no problem at all turning a deaf ear to the complaints of Sexual Harassment that had dogged clinton for decades. And you know why . Because, lets face it, he was an uber fundraiser. He was fantastic at it. But, with sex pigs now being called to account for their misdeeds in the wake of the weinstein scandal, well, democrats have suddenly discovered a moral conscience. And now they even see their former heroes with new eyes. Bill clinton wasnt a degenerate when he appeared at every Democratic Convention since he left office. And i guess he wasnt a bad degenerate sexual harasser when he was feted in new york at the Clinton Foundation gallis. He wasnt a sex pig last month when he campaigned for phil murphy in new jersey. But now that his wife has lost the presidency and bill is under new scrutiny, he is suddenly a leper to the party that enabled him for decades. Sell it somewhere else. None of us believe it the truth is you have to question how seriously these Democratic Women take Sexual Harassment. These are some of the same women who held a pep rally for bill clinton in 1998 after his impeachment. I love that photo. Al mount alimp pus of female democrats were in attendance. Feinstein, pelosi, boxer, mccull ski, all of them standing and clapping like a bunch of seals for bill clinton. The only thing was the fish. Now new fund courage among gillibrand and the rest is a little more than political expediency. The Democratic Party know what is we all know, the clinton brand is over its damaged. The clintons have outlived their usefulness and the usefulness of the party is nil. Its safe to throw them under the bus. Safe to look away. Safe to say he should have been canned when he was found out about lewenski. Enough with all the glowing praise of gillibrand for her brave stand and the democratic Truth Tellers who are now coming around to acknowledging bills past. They were opportunists then and they are opportunists now. And thats the angle. Joining us now from van buren, arkansas is Juanita Broderick who accuses bill clinton of raping her in a hotel room in 1978. And from little rock, arkansas, paula jones who sued bill clinton for Sexual Harassment. He settled with her for 850,000. Paula and yuan neat tax it is great to see both of you. Im just delighted that both of you are here and paulla, i want to start with you. What went through your mind when you heard kirsten jill brand today and basically bre zi zinsky saying bill clinton should have resigned after the lewenski affair. Its a little bit too late for that now, isnt it . It makes you wonder if they really truly mean what they say because us women did not get any kind of help whatsoever from any of those liberal women. They ridiculed us. We were called all kind of names. We were not believed. And i hope that its true that they think that now. But i dont know that i believe it. Laura yuan nit tax whats happened between now and 1998 when your accusation really got a lot of attention when lisa myers bravely pushed nbc to get that on the news. Whats changed except hillary is not present. She is not in the cabinet. The Clinton Global Foundation is frankly has been exposed as a fraud that it was with the paytoplay that was going on there. And so the clintons arent useful anymore, so now suddenly oh, he was he shouldnt have done that he should have resigned. Oh, i know. Its absolutely disgusting, laura. This great epiphany that should have occurred 20 years ago, coming about now is i should feel ecstatic about it but i dont. I feel very disappointed that they waited two decades to do this. Laura were you surprised, juanita, that Kirsten Gillibrand didnt mention you . I mean, she mentioned lewenski because that was the subject of the impeachment proceeding, her relationship led to the impeachment because he lied under oath. Right. Laura he didnt mention you. He didnt mention paula. He didnt mention kathleen she didnt mention Kathleen Willey. It was only monica lewenski. I wonder why. I think its too dangerous to bring this back up again. They do not want to hear from us, laura, and thats the crux of the matter. They do not want our names to be brought up again. And were being brought up by everybody else. So i cant understand why she didnt include us. Laura paulla, and juanita, i want you to listen to something that Hillary Clinton said today in an interview with our friend rita crosby on wabc. Lets watch listen. Every situation has to be judged on its own merit. And there were allegations that were disproved. Its unfortunate that people are either misrepresenting or misinterpreting history. Im not no, no, no, no. That is so ludicrous what she just said. I mean, seriously, i cannot believe that that lady would say that and nothing was misinterpreted. I know what happened to me in that room that day. And i also know that there was some lady from the New York Times that had quoted some misgoldberg lady said she believed juanita was believed juanita she should believe me, too. She said that was not true about me. How would she know unless she had some kind of relationship with him. She has been looking at his private parts . How could she say i was discredited when i was not discredited. The eighth circuit of appeals was going to take it all the way to trial and then bill clinton settled. Why would it settle if had had been thrown out at lower court. People dont do that if you are not not guilty. Are if you are not guilty. Laura Hillary Clintons title of her book what happened should apply to her husband. We know what happened exactly. We know exactly. Laura yuan nit tax can you go back to that horrible encountered that you with bill clinton, especially after he pushed you and your lip got, you know, bitten, basically or hurt and what he said to you in that room . Right. Laura we the sound u lets play it from your original interview. Lets watch. The second time he tries to kiss me. He starts biting on my lip. When everything was over with and when he got up and straightened himself and i was crying at the moment. And he walks to the door and calmly puts on his sunglasses and before he goes out the door he says you better get some ice on that. And he turns and went out the door. Laura put some ice on that. Painful to hear now. Yeah. Its still, you know, its so painful to hear it now. You know, even after all these years its disgusting and painful. You know, i wants to know why hillary would not want to come to us. Im sorry, i just want to know why hillary wouldnt want to come and talk to us women. If she believed its not true, then why wouldnt she talk to us. Talk to each one of us or talk to us together and then she can come to a conclusion herself. She never even was asked about us women during her campaign. Isnt that ironic . Isnt that funny that none of this come out about her womanizing predatory husband who did these women so wrong, all of us. And its just beyond words that nobody. Paula, she did talk to me. Why wouldnt she want to ask us. She threatened you. She could have at least have talked to us and at least found out for herself, i mean, and talk to us to see how credible we were. But she didnt want to. Do you know why . She knew. She knew she had been enabling him for years. She has been enabling him for years. She has been hiding this stuff for him for years. If you are married to a man and you dont know that your husband is doing this, something is wrong. And you know they claim to have such a wonderful marriage and she stood by her man but, let me tell you, she knew what he was doing. And the only reason why they ever stayed together was because it was a political marriage. Laura this is what philip reigns who was one of hillarys former Campaign Chiefs said this today. Lets listen. There is no human being in the United States whose personal life, their infidelities were looked at more than bill clinton. His accusers were afforded the opportunity to confront him. He was afforded the ability to defend himself. Laura juanita, were you afforded the ability to confront bill clinton . Oh, gosh, i think i will just laugh out loud right now. Yes, thats hilarious, isnt it . Its disgusting. No human being was protected more than bill clinton was. They built this wall around him. Absolutely. And no human being was more harassed and ridiculed and trashed as bill clintons victims were. I did get get a time to speak. But it was only because i had lisa myers. She was one of the very few who believed in me and just stayed on that story until we got it through. And i commend her for that. Laura forced to air it nbc did not want to air that report. Paulla, i will let you close this out, paulla, msnbc and jill brand and others who are now these late hits against bill clinton. Do you think there might be any credibility to what they are saying . They now see the horror of Sexual Harassment and sexual assaults or is this all politics . Its probably politics. I mean, i would imagine that it probably was. I just wish that these people would mention our names, you know, when they are. Laura you are real people. Yeah. We are absolutely real people. What gets me, too. They only mention monica lewenski. She was consensual person was that doing stuff to bill clinton under the oval office desk. We were not. There is a different, different take on that. So,. Laura do either of you expect that Kirsten Gillibrand might call to you talk to you and do you expect a call from her . Oh, surely not. Im sure. Do you really think thats possible now . No. I absolutely do not. Laura hey, ladies, ladies, she is posed to be the be all and end all of Sexual Harassment on capitol hill given the historic nature of the bill clinton assaults on women. She should call you up and she should apologize on all of those socalled feminists. I agree. Laura who covered for clinton all those years. Absolutely. Laura thank you for joining us tonight. I know it was really a pleasure to see both of you and we really appreciate your voice. Thank you so much. Thank you. Nice to be here. Laura you are welcome. And when we come back, might the clinton spell finally be breaking for the Democratic Party . Well, and what about the bushes . Stay tuned. Has grown into an enterprise. Thats why i switched to the spark cash card from capital one. Now, im earning unlimited 2 cash back on every purchase i make. Everything. Whats in your wallet . Heres the story of Green MountainCoffee Roasters sumatra reserve. Lets go to sumatra. The coffee here is amazing. Because the volcanic soil is amazing. So we give farmers like win more plants. To grow more delicious coffee. Which helps provide for wins family. All, for a smoother tasting cup of coffee. Green mountain Coffee Roasters. Laura clinton world and their enemies within the Democratic Party are engaged in kind of a family feud about whether or not they should relitigate bill clintons past. This is what josh barrow of Business Insider titled his piece today. The clintons held the Democratic Party hostage for two decades going on to write inside the core problem is that the democrats decided the clintons were their people and then reasoned backward to their principles. So i have a question. Is it fair to argue that the g. O. P. Treated the bushes the same way . And that President Trump has wrestled the party back to its reagan roots . Joining us now from washington is Ronald Reagan biographer extraordinaire Craig Shirley and from austin, texas, mark upgrove, he is the author of the new book, the last republicans inside the extraordinary relationship between george h. W. Bush and george w. Bush. Its great to see both of you. Thank you. Laura lets start with you, craig, on this question of the legacy of the bushes and the obviously the bushes didnt have their sexual scandals other than, i guess, the groping from the wheelchair rumor that were hearing now. But they didnt have their sexual scandals but nevertheless there is clearly a break that has happened for the most part from the bushes to the current Republican Party. Talk about that. The bushes were always, laura, an aberration to some degree. Look, george h. W. Bush was only president because he was Ronald Reagans Vice President for two terms. And in fact a New York Times poll in 1988 after he beat Michael Dukakis said a majority of americans voted for him because they saw him as a continuation of the reagan legacy. Obviously he didnt continue that and he pursued basically Big Government republicanism as did his son george w. Bush. So, they are both aberrations from the degree of the Republican Party, the parties has always traditionally been at least in the modern area for less government, more freedom, you know, federalism, all those issues that animate republican centered on the personal freedom dignity and right. So it was kind of a natural exorcism that had to happen because they both ended up perceived as failed presidencies. Laura and, mark, george w. Bush, whom i like very much personally, he left office with an abysmal approval rating. It was in the mid 20s by most accounts. The nation had turned against pretty much both wars in the middle east. We had the mass economic collapse. He tried to push through immigration, amnesty that went down in flames. Harriet miers the Supreme Court had to pull that back. We lost the house, the senate and the presidency to barack h. Obama. In your you make this argument that the bushes are the real republicans, they are worried that trump will be the last republican because he is not really republican. I find that analysis curious given the carnage post bush to the Republican Party. Well, i want to make clear that when i called them the last republicans thats really a type of establishment republicanism that the republican electorate clearly rejected in the 2016 campaign cycle, to the surprise of everybody. I think to a large extent the Republican Party wanted to protect the establishment in the beginning of the cycle. They resisted the candidacy of donald trump. He won the nomination fair and square. And went on to win the presidency. So there is no disputing that. But it is the end of a kind of republicanism where america was more engaged in the world. Laura hold on a second. The president just came back from this 12day trip to asia. He was in the philippines, vietnam, korea a china, at the apec summit. He went to europe, talked to nato. He went to talked to all the muslim leaders. He went to jerusalem. He went to meet the pope. I mean, he has been around. And he wants to engage with the rest of the world odoesnt want us to be involved in endless wars which helped elect barack obama. The idea he is some isolationist, thats ridiculous. That is a bush line is he isolationist, is he a protectionist, is he a nativist. Those old trops arent working anymore, mark. The more people hear them the more they start laughing when they hear them. When you look at the trump agenda, it was largely transactional. It was what deal can we get thats the best deal for america. Different kind of agenda. Humanitarian agenda. Human rights. Laura yeah globalist agenda. Open borders, open markets, yeah. Sure. Thats the term thats used. Again, thats a very different kind of republicanism. Laura well, yeah, its focusing on america first. I want to play a sound bite from 1979. This is 1981 actually from Ronald Reagan for both of you and have you quickly react. Lets watch. It is my intention to cush the size and influence of the federal establishment and to demand recognition of the distinction between the powers granted to the federal government and those reserved to the states or to the people. [applause] all of us need to be reminded that the federal government did not create the states. The states created the federal government. Laura craig, i watched that from 181 inaugural and i stood at the president s grave tonight, said a prayer for him and nancy and thanked him for what he did for this country. I watched that and i wonder what would he think today about the state of the Republican Party and the state of this country . Well, he was always a party man once he switched parties. He supported republicans even those he didnt always agree with. But, you know, that sound bite reminds me of how reagan was such a devot dee dee voteee of the constitution. Enlightenment the man was more important than the state. And that statement about the states creating the federal government, thats right out of the federalist papers. Its right out of madison which he avidly read. Hes would an american conservative. Power flowed upward from the people to the national government. As opposed to a british conservative wh