John kelly is defending it. I think any channel of communication otherwise with a country like russia is a good thing. Multiple ways to communicate back and forth is a good thing with any country, i think, particularly a country like russia. It doesnt bother me. Dagen more leaks. The back channel issue, the way in which he set it up, they are saying he set it up. Anonymous leaks. Eric feels like this is the leakers getting together with the establishment. Aided and abetted by the Mainstream Media, liberal, leftleaning Mainstream Media to create the illusion that this russia story has legs. They continue to fuel this and its not able to ignite. Trump has done everything he promised to do. Creating jobs, stock markets are on a tear, the economy is hitting on all cylinders and he has a phenomenal Foreign Policy trip over the last nine days. Yet they are going to say Jared Kushner created back channels. Creating back channels to russia is one of the most common things that spend on my frustrations from obama to clinton, bush, to bush, to reagan. Kat i dont think it was that back channels themselves. It was the accusation he wanted to use russian communication equipment. Eboni, still anonymous. The media is acting as if its not. Eboni i think this is where fatigue starts to kick in. Those of us who are interested in wrongdoing, this sounds like pure noise. A distraction, not helpful at all. Kat lets meet todays specialists. Shes a former editorial writer for the washington times. Shes a former rate reported for political, and shes currently a political analyst and founder of fold, a digital news platform. She specializes in everything politics. Carrie sheffield is here. Carrie hey, guys. Great to be here. Kat he is a political commentator, candidate for brooklyn, new york, borough president and cohost of the last broadcast on the left. He specializes in everything prime. He is a crime podcast. Ben kissel is here. Ben thanks for having me. Carrie happy memorial day. Proud american. Kat i am proud even though im wearing teal and dont have a flag. Carrie, we talked about the leaks. What do you think about this story . Do you think it has something . Carrie there are things trump said during the campaign that upset me but the criticism against the president has jumped the shark. We are talking about Anonymous Sources. Sources, you can make up whatever you want. Sources say garth brooks is my boyfriend. Sources say whatever you want them to say. These are anonymous, made up things. I believe in the first amendment. Everyone at the table, we believe in the first amendment. But we also have the fifth amendment. The right to due process, the fact that youre innocent innocent until Proven Guilty and the media has jumped the shark and they are throwing trump under the bus with no evidence. Eric i love this. Seaport are you sure you didnt go to law school . Ben its interesting. I think attacking the leakers, we are attacking the messenger or not the message. We dont have concrete evidence of russian collision. We know that kushner met with kislyak. We know there was some interaction. Right now there is a lot of smoke. We dont have the fire. What kills most people in a fire as the smoke. And it definitely is suffocating the Trump Administration right now. As eric pointed out, in his words, its greatly undermining the successes. Eric this is why i think this is absolute hypocrisy, fake, leftleaning Mainstream Media. You pointed out kislyak. We were talking about the back channels. December 31, 2014, bloomberg magazine. Inside obamas secret outreach to russia. John kerry has been the point man, i am quoting the article dealing with russia because of his close relationship with foreign minister sergey lavrov. They meet often without Staff Members present and talk on the phone regularly. It was john kerry and president Obamas State Department but they are going crazy now with donald trump and Jared Kushner. Jared kushner did this before donald trump was even president. Eboni i think the white house is doing a good job responding. Anonymous sources most of the time run of credit. If you can put reporting based on Anonymous Sources but its all on the reporters credibility proved we got an update here from catherine herridge. That means something to me. She is saying a prayer at her reporting is very detailed, clear explanation as to who Jared Kushner allegedly talk to, the point of it, the why, the secure line was requested. By russia, not from Jared Kushner. All of that makes some sense to me if it comes out to be that way. Most born bart, Jared Kushners anxiousness to get in front of congress and tell his side of the story, the transparency will go a long way. Kat stories the dont even mention that, or if they do. Carrie the comparison here, in the obama white house, you had valerie jarrett, who basically was Barack Obamas tellall. Where was the left media there . I went to the Harvard Kennedy school. When the harvard of all places, there is such biases against conservatives. When freaking harvard says their leftist bias, that means something. Kat allegedly wanting to use solely russias communication gear. In effect, normally you work with the existing administratio administration. Carrie the differences is that barack obama took the trump win incredibly personally. The entire regime was turned against him. Eric let me add something. Very important for you said this is different. General hayden, former director of the nsa under barack obama was on cnn and was asked, did Jared Kushner, based on what you know, all these allegations, did you do anything illegal . General hayden said unequivocally no, he didnt do anything illegal. It wouldnt have advised him to do that. We have the leftleaning media and people jumping on that bandwagon saying look at all this stuff. Ben mentioned smoke. Sometimes there is a lot of smoke and no fire at all. Ben the smoke is filling up the room and its blinding people from being able to see when donald trump is doing right in his mind. We have to keep in mind whats happening with james comey, going to be testifying in front of the senate very soon. If it does come out to be true that donald trump tried to impede the investigation into michael flynn, than the russian scandal is moved. Eric hypothetical parade you are doing exactly what the leftleaning media is doing. Comeys that i will testify but he said im not bringing the smoking gun note he allegedly wrote after the meeting that allegedly donald trump leaned on him to look the other way. Hes not going to put that in the record. Ben were going to have to wait and see what he says. I think well get a lot of information. Carrie kat despite all e russian investigation, if you arent forgetting to ask how this impacts the average american. No one in ohio is asking about russia. We have to deal with this. Its on the minds of the american people, but if you want to know what people in ohio think, they want to know about jobs, their children. We are preoccupied with this. Its not that this is not important but Everyday Americans are being left behind because its russia, russia, russia. Ben i think thats absolutely dead on. People do not care about this stuff, and the Democratic Party does have to be careful to not overreach and do a proverbial witch hunt. They need to start focusing on jobs, get the populist message back and if they dont do that, were going to see similar results in 2020. The fork she was a democrat, ohio state legislature. She is saying that for her constituents, not that russia is not important but they care about jobs and what is going on with Everyday Americans. Eric jobs and the economy. There is a small group in the Mainstream Media who thinks they care about russia but its been proven they dont really care about that. Carrie its illegal to yell fire in a crowded room. Its dangerous. If you have fire, than yell fire but theres no fire here. Hasnt been proven. I go back to the fifth amendment, innocent of Proven Guilty, due process. Where is the aclu on that . Come on, defend the fifth amendment. Eboni thats on the political aspect takes over. Ive been critical of the media stuff because if and when there is real wrongdoing, how many people are going to believe its because they have cried wolf for so long that no one believes half the things that come out of any Mainstream Media outlets. Ben lets say nothing comes out of it. Regardless, its remarkable to watch someone like donald trump not they want to get in front of these stories and create a media narrative that paints him in a more positive light. Now as we see with the leakers, his inner circle is going to get smaller and smaller. Eric big change in this set up. You said, you read Donald Trumps tweets. I think this is the first time ive ever seen him start a tweet with its my opinion. Followed up to the leaks were fabricated. Eboni see what happens when you get a lawyer . Amazing. Kat the media is not doing themselves any favor coming out on msnbc and saying may be cushion or wanted to give the nuclear codes. Come on, come on. To say that seriously, i cant imagine what in your brain would make you think that. Carrie its about the fact, the harvard study showed 92 at of abc, cnn, the Mainstream Media is antitrump. Fox news, roughly 50 50. We truth. Kat the white house is preparing a war room and potential staff shakeup to battle the wave of attacks against it but isnt the right strategy to regain the upper hand . We will be right back. 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Eric President Trump reportedly planning on shakeup and strategy, taking aim at aggressively combating attacks on his administration. Rapidly responding to allegations in the russia investigation and may be a staffing overhaul in the White House Communications officer there may be more rallies around the country so President Trump can speak directly to his supporters. After a week away, he comes back to this. This could be a way trump resets the narrative and the debates here in america. Eboni if i am advising president tom President Trump, its been less about its been going wrong and more about the narratives. I think the rallies are great for President Trump. Get out there and get in front of your base, rejuvenate, feel better. At the International Trip went well for the president. Capitalize on that. Say we are going to reset it and 2018 is not so far away so i think its time to put those potable points of the board and readdress that. Improving the economy, putting a conservative on the supreme court. Eric what about this idea of may be scaling back the press briefing to a Weekly Press Briefing . All of the shots hes taking, maybe not a bad idea . Kat i prefer the transparency but i would like to see him play a larger role. The communication strategy has created additional problems. The best example, after comey was fired in the press team was saying one thing a drum set another thing. They need to get that under control enough that means talking less, i would be advising him to do that. Have a unified message that they absolutely no because thats the reason some people are suspicious, he replied to the accusations rather than the accusations themselves. Eric carrie, he had a des moines, iowa, rally that got pushed back a little bit. This is a great opportunity. See the people in the heartland and speak directly to them. Carrie connect to the people who brought him there, the people care about making America Great again. Thats the purpose. Its easy to get caught up in the east coast bubble media. Thats whats been happening here. Weve got to get back to the Kitchen Table effects. The fact that the president nominated come up with a conservative on the supreme court. Hes turning the economy on from a regulatory position. Hes going to dismantle doddfrank, a Destructive Force on our Economic Driving sprayed so many things he should and can be talking about. Eric ben, what happens in the briefings, yeah, he has these accomplishments that carrie outlined and many more. They put that out there in the beginning of the briefing and that reporters hands go up and all they want to talk about is the russia investigation. Ben the number one accomplishment, neil gorsuch is talented. Eric a lot of people voted for him because he was going to nominate a conservative. Ben he lived up to that promise. Its a new world now. We have the house passing trumpcare, medicaid, medicare cuts. I think when he goes to the heartland, hes going to see what a lot of these republicans are seeing when they go back to their districts. It may not be the friendly crowd he was seeing. A lot of middle americans arent feeling as though he is supporting eric middle americans are feeling better about the econom economy. Stock market, labor market, housing some are at 16 year highs. Stock market is at alltime highs. You are from wisconsin. What do what do you think wiscon feels . Ben i think the economic success, okay, thats obviously a good thing. Going back to health care, preexisting conditions, things like that, that really matters to people in the fact that they kept, basically its a 30 tax on young people they dont get health care. Thats exactly what barack obama did come up for the most part. Theres a lot of anger when it comes to trumps policies. Carrie i respectfully disagree. I had a lot of skepticism of trump but the people he surrounded himself with, not just neil gorsuch. It is about the federal communications, repealing that neutrality. Its going to put us on the path to success. We are drowning in debt. Im so glad donald trump won. Eboni if we are going to blame Hillary Clinton for never regaining and narrative and letting the emails dog and take out the messages. We have to hold the president to the same thing. Carrie after the iran contra scandal, 1986, Ronald ReagansApproval Rating was tanking and he was cleaning house. He got a new guard, they turned the ship around and he was tremendously successful. Ben trump isnt replacing these people with anyone. Eric what really, really matters is the economy, jobs and peoples pocketbooks, wages. Why would he change anything right now . If you are winning, get out of your own way. North korea ratcheting up tensions after successfully testing a new missile and the third u. S. 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