yesterday. the premise of the article is false, that in any way the president had a conversation it was inappropriate or resulted in any kind of lapse and national security. i think the real issue, and what i would like to see debated more is, the national security has been put at risk by those violating confidentiality. >> kat: can we trust either side? i don't think this some conspiracy to take down the president. i don't know. eric, i am assuming you are totally on trump's side. >> eric: mcmaster is intense, and i love hearing him talk. he was in the room. he supports. rex tillerson within the room. this meeting was attended by five people. tina powell was there as well. this happened six days ago. the real story is who is leaking to the press? primarily to her donald trump, to say he's not doing things right. this was a discussion surrounding a common enemy, a common foe, i sister there was an aviation risk. donald trump said we have some intel on what isis is planning to do. don't forget. russia lost a jetliner in 2015. 227 souls died in that. their fight against isis, i think this was a lot to do about nothing. the mainstream media is freaking out. >> eboni: i think the politics are going to play out. i'm kind of over it. it is our national security that is at risk when these leaks occur. there were five people in the room. i will be watching the president of the white house, i also want to know, we have to be able to figure out who the leak is paired with that small of number of people in the room, this is getting out of control. >> eric: there is been a lot of whispers this afternoon about who the leak is. looks like it may have been someone within the intel community, may be a mid- to upper level staff. didn't like what trump was doing. it >> eboni: you cannot like donald trump and that's fine but to put our national security at risk because of it, that's a serious issue. we've got to get to the bottom of it. >> kat: i agree p let's meet today's specialists. he's a former teacher with 20 years experience, a frequent guest on the fox news channel, and a radio talk show host for wp hd in philadelphia. he specializes in educating liberals in the city of brotherly love. dom giordano is here. he's a writer for "the hello," and the chairman of the american conservative union. he specializes in learning to be a farmer. matt schlapp is here. i'm going to go to you. much like with the >> matt: ca- comey firing. >> matt: i think the thing with drum, every time there are these controversies in this turbulence, and i will admit there is a lot. he's done things in a way we haven't seen presidents do, but if you get to the heart of it, it was that president trump believes russia is an important ally. they both want to destroy isis. he wants to make sure they get a leg up in that fight. as president obama before him try to do the same thing. i think where we get confused as we say he shouldn't of have those -- how to those photos get out? it was a little sloppy, but in the end, i think the policy is correct and it reminds everybody what is the trump policy. it is let's at least trying to get along with russia and do everything we can to kill and defeat isis. >> kat: i think it's a little bit more than sloppy if there's a switch in the message like that. >> dom: i disagree. i think the shot of the day is the screenshot of "the washington post" newsroom. if this is so important classified material, sober, serious, and trump is not, how are these people, the nation's esteemed journalist, high-fiving each other and tweeting it out. this went past the access hollywood camp. i think trump needs to tighten up. i think everyone who knows him thinks there needs to be more tightness but i think this was a blunder rather than treasonous. >> eric: one of the things that the left, a good friend of mine, joe scarborough. joe looked like he was going to cry. i love you, joe, but it wasn't that important. they were pointing out, if trump turned over some information within ally, that the ally discovered, it means the ally was no longer going to share information to fight terror or isis. turns out, i think "the washington post," i'm sorry "the new york times" and cnn have reported that the information came from an israeli source. the ambassador, the israeli ambassador says "israel has full confidence in our intelligence sharing relationship with the united states and looks forward to deepening that relationship in the years ahead under president trump." if this isn't much ado about nothing, there is nothing that is. >> eboni: let's talk about israel. that statement, while i appreciate the spirit, doesn't really tell us anything truthfully because that's what you have to say in this moment in time as a diplomat. we don't know. they are not confirming or denying whether they were the source. >> eric: the feeling among the left and liberal media was that because the source, however the source was going to be, might cut off a diplomatic relationship, sharing information avenue that was there, and israel who clearly is the source, says that's not going to happen. >> eboni: and that's important. to your point and dom's point, there's no question people are salivating every day about the prospect of impeaching donald trump. it undermines the important conversation were having at this table about our ally in israel, about what might chill the effect of the information sharing which is so important. certainly their ability to provide information is critical. we can't even have that conversation because we are too busy worrying about every single thing. >> we can't have a conversation, a legitimate conversation. i have been critical and i think everybody has that when you go out there and treason is thrown out. then what you do is come of the. they don't want to hear any of it. >> eboni: bypassing the nuts and bolts of the conversation. >> kat: press secretary sean spicer gave an off-camera briefing to reporters highlighting the growing security threats from leakers. >> what has occurred today over the last little while in terms of these leaks of it is frankly dangerous. this is clearly a pattern of people releasing sensitive information to further what appears to be someone's agenda. >> eric: did you notice what happens? he released a statement, a verbal statement rather than going to the full briefing, which is what they were threatening to do a couple days ago. maybe this is a new way they're going to start releasing information. spicer is right. matt touched on it in the first comment. the leaks are at the heart of it. >> kat: i agree they are important. >> eric: not whether or not donald trump so there's a laptop computer isis wants to blow up from a battery, looks like a battery but will blow up. that's not the issue. the issue is that our intel is being leaked, our conversations with lemaster being leaked to the press. that is awful. >> we are missing the heart of these many controversies that come up. the same thing with comey. every democrat what if i get rid of them but when they can make politics out of it, they make politics out of it. the idea that they didn't know who had what devices taking photos in the white house. we had enough of that with russia, we don't need more of that. the next pieces, they have to fill these slots. we've got to have better staff work. i know the democrats understand understand -- part of this is on the white house. the people and i know in the administration or flat out exhausted. >> kat: i agree that the leaks are a problem and i agree a lot of people would jump on anything vacancy to take down donald trump. the story is, he didn't say -- he did say certain things but he could and the premises wrong. it was okay for him to say it. >> eboni: i think a lot of people are questioning the legality. everyone who was waiting with baited breath for impeachment as the ultimate goal, everything donald trump does, it is it legal? we know it's not illegal. the president has wide authority on the ability to declassify something. the question of judgment. i think that's a legitimate question. is it smart to be sharing information our allies are giving us even if it is the interest of furthering an alliance with russia on the issue of isis. something to consider. eric and i are friends and we talk we exchange information. even if it's something i wouldn't mind you finding out, kat, it might do something of my trust read their nests of eric if he says something without my consent. >> eric: in the best interest of everyone, i think it is smart to do. i have to let you know we wanted music in the studio before we started. i was going to push for music. hey, you weren't supposed to say anything. i'm using an example that's happening right now. >> kat: that's not very sensitive. >> eric: in the interest of safety, the world has a common enemy with isis. that should override everything. the russian collusion issue with donald trump was the biggest story in mainstream media. where did it go today? they have a new reason to hate on trump. >> kat: the presidents enemies are fanning all kinds of outrageous speculation around the legality of what he reportedly told the russian diplomats. judge andrew napolitano is taking the wind out of their sails. >> may have broken rules about the manner of declassification but that's not a crime. the president can declassify anything. he can take a top secret. select access procedure. it is the top of the top secret. he can declassify it. there may be political fallout for him declassifying it. but there's no -- >> eboni: talking about the way the law as written. there are a lot of people having this conversation about what trump allegedly has done here with what hillary clinton allegedly could have done, the difference is factual you can't make the comparisons. she didn't enjoy that same authority because she wasn't presidents. >> what it gets at is the hypocrisy that people were defending hillary and saying she should be president even though she has compromised trade with trump, this is treason. >> eric: matt may disagree with me. john mccain came out very strongly against trump, and then had to walk it back midday today when he found out with the real facts were. >> when you first get up in the morning and you read the paper and you say oh, my god, this horrible thing has happened. my heart usually stops at these moments. then you start reading about it and you talk to people in the know when you are like, wait a minute. is that all all of this is? >> eric: senior senator with as much experience. >> may be a little too senior? >> eric: i think he really needed to find out what was going on, especially a guy who spent a lot of time in syria, kind of backing out. >> kat: i think everybody should not be afraid, no matter who is saying one on what side, any situation to wait a little bit before reacting. be mindful. you should. people listen to these things. you can speculate but there's a difference between speculating and saying i think this and i know this for a fact. >> eboni: this is not beneficial. what you need to do is sit back and wait and if indeed the president does something that's worthy of impeachment, then that's where you make the argument. but to make this argument at every little single thing that comes out, it's not helpful. >> kat: next up, the democratic freak out goes off the rails following the "the washington post" rush our report. fasten your seat belts and make sure to follow us on social media. specialistsfnc on twitter and facebook. ♪ you know how painful heartburn can be. for fast-acting, long-lasting relief, try doctor recommended gaviscon. it quickly neutralizes stomach acid and helps keep acid down for hours. relieve heartburn with fast- acting, long-lasting gaviscon. and helps keep acid down for hours. ♪ to err is human. to anticipate is lexus. experience the lexus rx with advanced safety standard. experience amazing. did you know slow internet can actually hold your business back? 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exactly what matt was talking about. >> now that he's been left go, why the sudden and selective outrage from your side of the aisle? >> for the president of the united states to fire somebody with his own self admission that he didn't like, that he was tired of the russia probe is distressing. it's distressing. >> kat: i believe she is distressed. she looks very distressed. >> eric: that is the point matt was making prayed they were outraged with comey after the election. now they say, why did you fire him? >> kat: there is definitely some of that. they weren't concerned about hillary clinton. now they are concerned about donald trump. either you care about national security or you don't. mitt romney said russia was our single greatest threat. they were laughing. they were mocking him. now have eternal now they have decided it is. >> eboni: i have been consistent on this issue. this was the failure of the 2016 election, terribly flawed candidate in mrs. clinton. this is what they are paying a price for and if price tag. more trump eight is not going to fix it. >> they can't penetrate the base of trump. they are entertained by this. >> eric: north korea being linked to the cyber attack that crippled computers around the world. is this a bigger immediate threat? 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my guess is we have some pretty smart cyber experts ourselves. the fact is, there is a whole cyber war going on. >> eboni: kat, obviously these are norma's concerns. these are things that were talked about a little bit on the campaign trail but not a ton. you thought they white house is completely on board with this, whereabouts? and understands the gravity? >> kat: part of the reason i did not like the way donald trump seemed to minimize the possibility of russia hacking the election, saying if he did that, he shouldn't have done it. it's a lot more serious and whether it is north korea or russia, another country with the ability to hack into our system systems. when it comes to military, doj systems, that's a very, very serious thing. that's the way people are fighting. we need to make sure we are secure. we need to all unite around this because otherwise i don't even want to think about it. >> if the hacking occurred with the russians, which i don't believe it had any impact on the elections, obama did not keep us safe. he did not protect us. donald trump has the ability to take steps to keep us safe. >> eric: not that they attempted to hack. they have attempted to hack. the chinese want to hack us. virtually every country wants to hack us and we are hacking back at them. did it change any votes? >> kat: i don't think so. >> eboni: whether he changed it or not, the point is they attempted it to. they can find success there, then we are all vulnerable. the threat of conflict with north korea's looming in a recent survey, only 36% of u.s. adults could correctly identify north korea when presented with a world map. dom, i'm going to repress the attempt to make a joke, what about the maps? miss south carolina. she's a sweet girl. this is a real problem. it's a real problem. most people don't know where north korea is, and so when we talked like the growing threat of the nuclear front and the cyber front, they don't know what we are talking about. >> i think again, trump is a great president. he is unpredictable. he is paying attention to it. previous presidents just said what are you going to do? it's difficult. they are crazy. they have nuclear weapons and famine and everything else. let's just not talk about them and they will go away. the american people were not paying attention. >> kat: all of us know where it is because we have to read about this stuff for our jobs. if you had a job where he didn't have to read about it, you might not want to get home from work and look at maps of north korea. you've got to cut them some slack and not shame them. the study showed that the people who did know where it was were more interested in diplomatic solutions. sometimes you come home from work. you just want to watch "the bachelor." america, if that's you, i will not shame you. >> eric: if you can't find north korea on a map, you have no business weighing in on what we should do about north korea. >> eboni: the group that had the most ability to identify it with the older people. maybe because they reflect on the korean war. they could find it. >> maybe they had a better education back then. >> are maps in schools now? 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"new york times" reporting president trump asked james comey to shutdown the federal investigation into michael flynn, former national security advisor, during an oval office meeting in february. according to a memo mr. comey wrote shortly after the meeting. we have a response from john roberts. "while the president has repeated his view that general flynn is a decent man, the president has never asked mr. comey or anyone else to end any investigation, including any investigation involving general flynn. the president has the utmost respect for our law enforcement agencies and all investigations but this is not a truthful or accurate portrayal of the conversation between the president and mr. comey." this is breaking news. lead times reporting one thing, the president pushing back. >> eboni: mccabe saying what he testified last week that, consistent with what the white house was saying. we talked about that last week, that certainly we don't know what legal consequences are going to happen around general flynn. i say that respectfully, but it's an ongoing investigation. we don't know ultimately where it's going to lead. if it leads to a breach of law, those consequences have to follow. >> eric: the president asking the fbi director to go easy on one of his campaign advisors? that's entirely unlikely. >> kat: . i don't trust "the new york times." i don't trust trump. i am skeptical of everyone. people say it makes me a pessimist. the investigation is continuing. >> eric: what about "the new york times"? they have to stand on their reporting and sources. >> they do. we have seen this with "the post," the number two man at the department of justice threatened to resign. that very first, the deputy attorney general, said he didn't offer to resign. there's interesting reporting. i love jim comey. he has an intimate event with the president and the president brings it up in an interview, and what does jim comey do? it's why he's not going to be the fbi director anymore. he's a political animal. he had to immediately start leaking about his end of the story paid we want something better than that in the fbi director. we don't want someone who is trying to weasel his way into every story part he always wants to be the eliot ness, and really he is the dirty leaker. >> the president issued a statement. he was very clear and precise. some of the stuff that's off the cuff. this is not off-the-cuff stuff. he is taking to what's factual. as long as he does that, i think in the grand scheme of things as this plays out, he is well served. >> eboni: i think there's a lot of unanswered questions around several things that president has done but on this one, i can't see him at this point in the game risking that much around general flynn. i just can't see it. >> eric: a key excerpt. "mr. comey was known to document conversations that he believed would later be called into question. according to two former confidantes." this is what i am talking about. unnamed sources that keep on drumming up. is this the way to be reporting the news? important and vital to the national security. >> it depends on what it is they are covering. some of these questions, when you are questioning whether or not someone committed treason, which is what some people are staying with mike flynn, these questions are serious. when you say, you level these types of charges against the president of the united states, we need more than just we heard from a guy who talked to a guy and i think that's one of the reasons why people across the country are starting to read these articles less. they are looking in other places to get the facts. it is the media's own fault. people keep saying fake news. i am fine with that. they have a liberal band. they take one side in the political fight. they take the left side and the american people know it. >> on an ordinary day, this would be huge news. my guess is the base of trump supporters in the average american is not going to pay attention to this because they are getting worn out of charge after charge after charge. something like this, the president trying to tamp this down, it would be a big new story. >> eboni: that is the problem. at this point, everyone is going to their corners, whether that's literally right or left, and no one is having a conversation about national security, about whether or not there was a criminal breach. >> kat: the investigation keeps going. what's the issue. >> eric: according to this "new york times" piece, the president asked fbi director jim comey to shut down the federal investigation into michael flynn. according to the memo, "i hope you can let this go." this is a guy, who a week ago, is wondering why he got fired from the fbi directorship. >> kat: with the anonymous source, you don't know where it came from, who said what. of course he's going to deny it either way. the investigation is still going. it's not stopping. everybody should be happy with that. >> i am sitting here saying what in the world take so long to come to any kind of conclusion on any of the stuff. the russian conclusion et cetera. i think trump, may be this sense of urgency, might be asking where is he investigation? when we going to have some facts, conclusion on anything. >> eboni: i can get that frustration from the outside looking in. that is how the fbi is. they are slow. >> the president has to let them do their job. >> eric: we are not going to go to break just yet. let's continue to talk about this. jim comey is removed, and that leaves rod rosenstein, the deputy director, to oversee the operations at the fbi. i wonder where he is on this. i wonder if he has some input as to whether or not comey should be doing this. >> rosenstein's number two at doj. then you have mccabe fbi. mccabe is in a terrible position now where he is running the fbi. i think a lot of people feel like he's a lightning rod because he took a pass on the investigations of hillary clinton. this is a big problem, we have an fbi that's a little bit compromise. people have lost confidence. comey lurched right and lurched left bread he looked political during the campaign. the people around him were giving him that advice. now he has this memo. he's not going to prosecute donald trump. just like he is done michael flynn come other people who have crossed them. this sounds like the old days of j. edgar hoover. let's get somebody good to run the fbi. >> eric: something, this level of activation, i would assume would check the box for obstruction of justice. >> eboni: certainly. if the allegation is true from donald j. drum, that would be in the highest form. this is that type of allegation, the type of cloud hovering until this is resolved. if you are an anti-trump person, you love this and it's great. more fuel for the fire. he doesn't understand this constitutionality war. if it's not true, then it's more false alarm. more undermining of what we should be talking about. i'm very concerned about what general flynn did. >> kat: maybe there is something in the middle. maybe trump said, do you like me? who knows. same thing, if any -- of any the world is not falling down right now. things are moving forward. >> eric: there are two separate issues here. what did flynn do and was it illegal or improper or unethical and what happened afterwards? what was the investigation? didn't anyone try to inhibit the investigation or not? a lot of times, those are the things more damaging than the actual occurrence of what happened. >> trump likes plan. he said i still like the guy but there's nothing i would've done, nothing that happened here. i don't know how were going to get to the bottom of who is telling. >> eric: john roberts joins us with more from the white house. the latest. i would call them high-level discussions going on after this piece by "the times." >> they had a statement ready to go. "they white house response to these allegations, while the president has repeatedly expressed his view of the general flynn is a decent man who served in particular country, the president has never asked mr. comey or anyone else to an end investigation, including any investigation involving general flynn. the president has the utmost respect for our law enforcement agencies in all investigations for this is not a truthful or accurate portrayal of the conversation between the president and mr. comey." what we have not gotten yet is there side of the story. what of the president say to the director of the fbi? "new york times" says this was an oval office meeting in february. there were a number of people were meeting with the president, including the attorney general jeff sessions. at the end of that meeting, the president asked everyone to leave except the fbi director. according to "the new york times," the president said something to the effect that flynn had done nothing wrong, that the fbi should move on. i hope you can see your way clear to letting this go. the white house pushing back against the language. i expect they are going to push back against this hard because it would be highly inappropriate at the very least for the president to say to the apparent director, i hope you can let this go and move on. at the worst, it could be obstruction of justice. we all know where that could lead to. the white house is behind closed doors right now. communications staff deep in a meeting. it's in the roosevelt room. i think it is probably with other high-level officials of the white house, trying to figure out a way to get past this latest one, which occurs as they white house is in the middle of this other maelstrom over the the presidents meetinh lab rob -- lavrov. somebody's said with this white house, it never ends. there is credence to that. >> eric: yesterday at about 5:45, we have this issue you just brought up, the leak to "the washington post" regarding the discussion between lavrov and trump in the oval office from six days ago. today at 5:30, we get this. i've got to ask you, what is this memo? i know "the new york times" is reporting on it, but the comey memo, was he sending it to and how did "the times" get it? stick i couldn't tell you how "the times" got it. we are trying to search for it ourselves. it would seem according to "the new york times" that james comey kind of had an idea. again, according to people who were close to comey, the contents of the memo. they do not have the document itself, that comey was concerned about what the president was up to and wrote detailed notes every time they met. don't forget. the president last week sent a warning shot across comey's bow saying before you start leaking anything, you better concern yourself with whether or not there are any "tapes" of our meetings. we are talking about an oval office meeting. we remember that one president famously taped all of his private conversations. the white house has refused to say whether there is any kind of recording system in the oval office. everyone thought the president was referring to his dinner with comey and his discussions with comey about not being a target of the investigation on the telephone. maybe what the president was referring to was this. we don't know, eric. >> eric: thank you, john roberts. break in again if you have any news. strikes me that this happened a while ago. james comey had the meeting with president trump. maybe the rest of the room was excused. he wrote down notes, decided to hold on to them and days after he's been fired, he decides to write a memo. kind of a scathing memo that can put trump in some hot water if true. >> i was the person in the bush administration, one of the people james comey had to meet with so he could figure out his political point of view. he is whatever he needs to be, liberal, conservative. he is about preserving his own reputation. what did donald trump do? he did what a president is allowed to do. at the pleasure of the president, he let somebody ago. now jim comey is going to prosecute the president for having humiliated him with that decision paired why are we reading about this memo today? because jim comey is striking back. it's how he plays the game and it's going to terrible job politicizing the fbi. >> kat: may be. we don't know. >> eric: let's say it is true. and i'm not saying that but if it is, he has this information and sits on it until a couple days after he's fired. >> eboni: the political implications. he's moving forward. let's take it at face value. there are questions here about loyalty. a lot of people in america are concerned about president trump and this issue of loyalty. the accusation that comey was asked to look the other way when it comes to flynn. even the statement right now, he ultimately says i think flynn is a good guy. i think there are people who are very concerned about how far does donald trump take loyalty and this issue of loyalty? does he take it far enough to obstruct justice? we don't know. i think that's going to be a question that's going to be top. >> kat: you see how he turns on people who disagree with them. this accusation in particular is a very, very extreme one. i don't know if it's evidence he could've done this, his personality. recently don't know. it does make sense why comey would do it now. you get fired and then the stuff comes out. it is always after-the-fact. >> eric: had nothing to do with the good of the country or concerned about the presidency. it only had with his own -- with his being fired. let me read this line. white house response. this is part of it. "the president has never asked mr. comey or anyone else to end any investigation, including any investigation involving general flynn." i think they are denying categorically comey's memo. >> if this were that serious, and it is, it's obstruction of justice, i think. if he uttered those words to comey, why would comey have to come out with it at that point? why wait until now? i think the credibility here is with comey. i don't think anybody can corroborate anything. >> eboni: those who hear this today and are likely to believe it absent evidence, if going back to this concern of how loyal is donald j. trump? how far he will go. >> kat: i don't think anyone's mind is going to change. people who support trump are going to say comey was lying. there's no actual evidence i don't think it's going to change anybody's mind until we have something. >> first of all... it's not shocking to know that conversation the oval oval office are monitored by the secret service, so these conversations are kept track of. let me ask a simple question. if the president is trying to obstruct justice to the fbi director, he never says anything? if the president is asking inappropriate questions of jim comey, he still has dinner with him? jim comey shows a strange pattern of behavior. if the president was pushing to do something inappropriate. the fbi itself is saying the white house pushed back on nothing. they did nothing to try to stop these investigations. the pattern of behavior shows the opposite of what jim comey is saying. >> eric: donald trump ran on draining the swamp. he fires the fbi director. at that moment, comey says i have a conversation with him a long time ago. he broke the law. he obstructed justice. i didn't tell you before but i'm feeling it now. >> we've got "the washington post," "the new york times." these things are not provable on either sides. we are back in the corners. >> eboni: let's talk about the ability to prove it. i hope there are tapes. if i call up j.crew to return a sweater, that call is going to be taped. >> eric: let's say there aren't. it's his word against his word. >> eboni: nobody has any credibility, to be candid. jim comey has major credibility problems. >> eric: the timing on when he decided to write this memo. >> make it public. >> kat: people who want to see trump impeached aren't going to care about that. >> eric: unless there is some sort of tape whenever, recording device. it's his word against his word. >> this is how j. edgar hoover played the game. >> eric: comey is a smart man. there is no way he doesn't realize in the absence of tapes, it's his word against donald trump's word and it's going nowhere. so what is the point? >> it's about his honor. he believes he's the great man that stands up for the constitution. what he really is is a little man who's acting like a politician. we want more in the fbi director than this, which is why every democrat wanted him fired. >> eboni: comey could've made the constitution argument a year and a half ago. there are very few people honestly, if you take the politics outcome of that believe anything about jim comey. >> wouldn't you like to be the new fbi director? >> kat: anything then be the new fbi director. everyone is going to be expecting you to fail. >> maybe they will do a good job. they will do about their work. >> eric: i'm sorry that trey gowdy decided he didn't want the job. >> kat: because he has a republican background. >> eric: we had some breaking news. it's been a great hour. thank you both very much. thank the specialists from toda today, dom giordano and matt schlapp. much more ahead. "special report" coming up. >> this is a fox news alert. it seems this is common practice. an explosive report comes out minutes before the show that seems to change the entire focus here in washington. perhaps around the country. tonight, another one. the trump administration is denying a report first put out by "the new york times" and confirmed by others now that the president asked then fbi director james comey to end the bureau's investigation involving former national security advisor michael flynn and contacts or alleged contacts with the russians. let's go right to john roberts. digesting this breaking story coming out

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