Died of heart attack or stroke . The fact that we can talk about this now is actually a good thing. At the start of this we were ready to lock down and throw away the key. But remember that this debate will be forever. Its the two ideas. Was it the distancing and shutdown network . Or was the disease not as bad as we thought . It might be both, or we flatten the curve and crusted the wave. This is where math is your body. Disease can have a lower kill rate then does he use b. And still kill more people if it infects vastly more people. Meaning 1 of 100 is 1, but half a percent of 1,000 is 50. Dana, check my numbers. We have already had 58,000 dead, and if it keeps going over like this during time, you can get close to the predictions, a disease worse than the flu on top of the flu. But maybe it is time for people, meaning the young and the healthy return to work so that we can protect the elderly and infirmed. And people need to go back to their jobs and be careful and see doctors for their heart, liver, and lung ailments. If they dont, the coronavirus will kill many more people without even trying. You know, juan, the author Daniel Murphy was chairman of the department of emergency medicine at Saint Barnabas in the bronx, so he is on the front line, he has seen it all. And yet he was emphatically saying that we have to rapidly get back to work. So, i mean, thats hard to ignore, right . Juan yeah, i mean, i thought the information he presented, especially about people who were suffering strokes, heart attacks, and then not going to the hospital because they are afraid, that is very real. You have to take that into account. But i must say, i wanted to underline something that you said about, you presented it as the prism of two ideas, but i think if distancing has helped to lower what we have seen in terms, not only infection, but there are four deaths, so its like two interlocking ideas as i was listening to you. And i think you have to realize, i think as of today, we have 1 Million People in this country who have tested positive for coronavirus. But thats, greg, only with i think it is about 1. 6 of the nation having been tested. So we in order to really protect ourselves, we have to have more robust testing that would allow us to identify hot spots, to engage in Contact Tracing and to try to halt widespread, you know, sort of exponential spread of this disease. Dr. Fauci said in an interview yesterday that to the disease is not going away with the summer weather. He thinks it may stick around, and he thinks only by being cautious are we protecting ourselves from even a more devastating outbreak. Greg dana, when i was talking about the prism of two ideas, i was talking about the mistakes that people make when they look at this, whether it is this or this when it is a combination. I think that there are going to be people, this might be a safe prediction, see, i told you this was no big deal after they choose to ignore the fact that our social distancing helped flatten the curve. Dana and actually they could go back the other way too, you are going to see a lot of, and you are right, we could debate it forever, or we could also celebrate the fact that americans did what we were ask asked. We were able to prevent the hospitals from being overwhelmed. And Governor Cuomo said that today. He said the hospitals did not get overwhelmed. People are mistaken, when you say, you want to reopen america, that is not a synonym for ignoring the virus. So you can reopen america, recognizing that we have accomplished something that the government asked for us which was a huge sacrifice, not just the stay at home, but people who have lost their jobs, their businesses, that is a huge sacrifice. In the hospitals did not get overwhelmed, so if you trust people, they can be responsible to try to get back and do the things that they need to do in order to keep the economy going so that we can take care of the people, because the New York Post piece, he also said that he was worried about the people in the neighborhood who were standing in food lines for the first time. The poverty that is being basically imposed on them. So they are all of these concerns. When you say that you want to reopen america, its not just because you want to help President Trump win the election. Thats a huge problem and people should not fall into that. Greg i would like to read a quote from the doctor and get your response. Would you like to play along with me . Jesse please do. Greg do you have the quote, producer . Put it up there. Ive worked for coronavirus frontline, and i say that it is time to open up. Standing up to the virus cant be the job of a stomach essential workers only. We have been strong, but we are tired, and we need the rest of you to help us by getting back to work. So essentially, what i get him saying is that we should share the risk especially if you are young and healthy to get out there and be part of their herd immunity that he mentioned. Jesse you have made this point before, that the country has a pain threshold. I feel like we are reaching the pain threshold in certain parts of the country. Going back to your other conversation, any person can make an argument that proves that they were right even though they were wrong. I do that all the time. You can play the super bowl, and then the next day you can have all of these analysts on espn. Why did they throw the ball . They should ground and pound, and anybody can do that and look good. But you talk about the prism of two ideas, i think what we are seeing is the prism of 50 ideas. Because there are 50 governors in 50 states doing 50 different things. Its dynamic, flexible, and tailored. Its brilliant. And there are even mayors doing things different than governors with the governors full consent. We are talking about restaurants, parks, elective surgeries, they are all being done differently based on the local county or States Health or economic landscape. And the onesizefitsall policy would have been a catastrophe. Could you imagine treating new york like you treat arkansas . Or treating arkansas like you treat new york . Thats what obama wanted to do. This big National Central policy. You would heard talks of secession if that would have happened. Also why it is so brilliant that they did this is because you are going to see in real time whats working and what is not. If you see a hot spot in a certain state, maybe they opened the gyms to early, right . You can see the mistakes being made in realtime. There will be so much fresh data to chew on, that dr. Birxs silk scarf will pop off of her neck. Greg that is quite a visual, jesse. Emily, what do you think . Emily just to echo the opeds, i think just like all of america helping flatten the curve, now it is up to us to get americans back to work and thrive. And thats why it is so crucial for state and local government leaders to send messages with her decisionmaking that they are prioritizing saving jobs while acknowledging that it is a different normal that we are going back to you. So jesse mentioned restaurants, and the reason that i have been continuing to talk about the Restaurant Industry is not only because of its volume, it is a 900 billion industry as of last year, but also because it touches so many other industries, like manufacturing and shipping and agriculture, and such a broad supply chain that touches millions of americans. So we cant just flip the switch and have these businesses go back to normal wear all of a sudden they can think that they have the ability to get back on their feet. I want to take l. A. For example, a lot of times we bash on the show, but right now it is a really interesting case study, because the local government from the beginning has been resisting and sending headwinds to the Restaurant Industry as they are trying to cope with this and implement new policies, but the mayor, mayor garcetti has been open to big, bold ideas. So for this time, i think it is incumbent upon all of us to support the creation of new policy, right, that acknowledges that saves jobs. Things like tip credit and suspend the policies that are in existence that are hampering these businesses from staying open, like certain class action litigation and things like that, in that example in l. A. , the city and local government has been resisting because they are failing to see the forest for the trees. But it is a new normal. And things like retailing alcohol, things that have been put in place during this time, we need to consider moving forward with this web that faces millions of americans, we should look at all of these individual junctures and try to acknowledge the give and carry these policies moving forward, because it is about saving these jobs so that we dont have an economic death too. Greg and also, alfresco, that is the solution right now. Move everything outdoors. 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Would an american president losing more americans in six weeks over the integrity of the vietnam war, does he deserve to be reelected . We have lost a lot of people, but if you look at what original projections were, 2. 2 million, we are probably heading to 60,000, 70,000, one person is far too many for this. Jesse plus the view has a new target, dr. Deborah brooks, defending the expert forward defending trump. At this point she is less of a doctor and more like an elderly care nurse to this guy. Do you think that dr. Birx is part of the problem . I do, i do think she is part of the problem. It gives me no pleasure to say that. You cant be complicit in a time like this, dr. Birx. So i think she has become part of the problem. Jesse wow. Well, i dont think im not even going to address the domestic the view ladies. I have seen my fair number of gotcha questions, she played it pretty well with the president. I just dont know if i could ever bring myself to ask a gotcha question like that to the president of the united states. Have you ever seen anything like that before . Dana have i ever seen anything like that before . I worked through a president during a time of war, torturers, memos, yeah. Ive seen it before. And a little bit of that, you get into a chance where you have the cameras on, and she is a reporter that has written some pretty great things. She has broken a lot of stories. And she is writing a book about the 2020 election, so the question about does a president like you deserved to be reelected was geared towards where she is thinking and where she is spending her time. But remember, the president answered it so well. So sometimes it doesnt matter if the question is hostile, if you hit a home run, then who cares . It actually makes you look better. And i will speak to the doctor birx thing for a second, way to stand up for women, ladies. Okay, joy behar, trying to look like dr. Birx with the scarf. Its a look i cannot pull off, but i would try at some point. But here is a woman who is having a responsibility not to coddle anybody. She is supposed to try to manage a pandemic. And she is doing that with the commander in chief. So why dont i just let her do her job for as long as she needs to do it, and to do it to the best of her ability and do it professionally. Which is what she has been doi doing. Jesse she has been doing a very good job. Greg, im going to play some sound of another exchange, again, just crazy, crazy commentary from the press corps. The president and dr. Birx were asked something, you can react to all of it. Are you going to apologize . Are you going to apologize . Go ahead. Thats why nobody knows who you are including me. Go ahead. You want to get your facts right. We have facts. Well, your facts are wrong. Jesse he asked the question and said, we are behind south korea, actually, no, we are ahead of south korea. These are things that happen a lot. Greg this is the gotcha question game show. I want to tie what olivia newsy and the birx thing have in common. Her question is the perfect example of media narcissism, it is guaranteeing attention back to the person asking the question prayed im sure she got dmed from acosta and the bald guy saying wow, that was amazing what you did to her. But the question is absurd. Who do you deserved to be reelected . Well, thats what the election will determine, you. And you can put it like, lets put it this way, given the tornado hit your town and killed 30 people, do you deserve to be dogcatcher . Thats exactly how stupid her question was. Now when you focus on birx, its called the contamination effect. The media loves to just soil her reputation, because by if you are hanging around somebody we hate, trump, then you are contaminated. They transfer they hate to her. So what about the people that birx knows . Right, are they contaminated by now knowing her . You see how this thing works . They should do trace whatever they call it, Contact Tracing on everybodys friendships. So lastly, why do they have something in common . The media is hypocritically evil. When they move stomach interview unsavory people, they are imparting their good moral fiber on them. So when they question trump, they are actually the moral high ground, which is why she had her absurd question, but when you will, like birx is among trump, then you are the recipient of the unsavory nests of trump. Now you are now immoral by a being around him. So, you see the trick. To the media gets to decide who gets to impart moral value, and it is always them, but it is never you. Jesse thats a good point. Juan, what do you think . Juan i think the press is supposed to hold powerful people accountable and ask questions. Now, i think President Trump is never shy, never shy about saying, hey, thats a crazy question, or that it is an unfair question, or that it is a fake news question, but he did not do that. Treated it seriously, and as dana pointed out, he gave what i think was a pretty good answer from his perspective. He said the numbers are less than what had been projected, and then try to take credit for it. And by the way, it was not a gotcha question, it was a real question. I think that they are real questions to come like today about banks and even some of the borrowers upset about the fda screw up with the computers, people cannot get the loans. People are upset about these big companies, some of these auto companies, the l. A. Lakers getting loans in that small businesses. People have legitimate questions to ask. And i dont think it is illegitimate for the president to ask them. When they are gotcha questions like who is the leader of blues pakistan or something, dana would know about that kind of silly question. Jesse does dana know . Juan but a legitimate question dana i do not know the leader. Before gotcha. Jesse all right, emily. Emily i think that this underscores the hypocrisy, because respectfully, juan, if her question was truly designed to provoke conversation, then why when she was called out that her question was just designed to provoke, she responded shut the f up. And for joy behar, thats just an example of someone who uses the media platform to attack those who attack women, and she is a hillary champion, she calls herself a feminist. And yet, this opportunity, she calls dr. Birx was a u. S. Army colonel and literally lead the hiv vaccine global movement. And has received tons of commendation awards under democratic administrations. And to manage 1. 5 billion of budget, literally lead and joy behar reduces her to an elderly care nurse. I could compare and contrast joy behars resume, but i will not. I dont think i need to. Jesse and you brought up Hillary Clinton, she just endorsed joe biden. Despite growing questions over Sexual Assault allegations. Its best we stay apart for a bit, but that doesnt mean youre in this alone. Were automatically refunding our customers a portion of their personal auto premiums. Were also offering flexible Payment Options for those whove been financially affected by the crisis. We look forward to returning to something that feels a little closer to life as we knew it, but until then you can see how were here to help at libertymutual. Com covid19. [ piano playing ] emily welcome back. Joe biden picking up a big endorsement during an womens town hall despite growing questions about a Sexual Assault allegation. Hillary clinton being accused of hypocrisy after throwing her support behind the former vp. I am thrilled to be part of your campaign to not only endorse you, but to help highlight a lot of the issues that are at stake in this president ial election. I wish you were president right now to end the kind of disregard of not only american values, but american institutions, the rule of law, and so much else that is at stake because of the current occupant. Emily hillary previously said that women have a right to be believed, but she still went forward with the endorsement. Former biden staffer tara reade says that he sexually assaulted