Birx, fauci and redfield all signing off on the guidelines. As seven midwestern governors have announced a partnership to reopen the regional economy. Meanwhile, the economy getting pummeled by a brutal new jobs report today, more than 5 million americans filing for benefits just last week. That means over 22 million jobs have been lost in the past mon month. The president pledging to restore the economy back at full speed. Also be leading a call with elected confessional official consult with my administration as we look to restore the economy to full speed. And we think with all the stimulus and pentup demand, we will have an economy that really comes back quickly. And would like to see it more than match what we have before. What we had before was a miracle, and we think that this will be more of a miracle. We are going to do it because we have the greatest people in the world. Juan i was curious about what you thought about reopening. Given that we dont have a testing rigorous regime in place at the moment, what do you think about this . Dana if you look back even thursday. I think it was monday that there was a lot of sort of discussion and debate about who has the authority to reopen the economy. The president , the governors, et cetera. And what you see by thursday is that the governors are working well and can coordination and conjunction. And to the president is giving them guidelines and suggestions. We will be here to help you if you need it. And the testing thing, im going to set that aside. Because i think it is separate. These regional packs that you will see that are bipartisan, they are happening on the now in and you have the northeast. I they make they are trying to a onesizefitsall approach. I think all of that shows that people can start to lift their gaze a little bit and see that there is going to be light at the end of the tunnel, and that they are not going to be under some onesizefitsall approach, because we all know that doesnt make sense and that that wont happen. On the jobs numbers, i want to mention, 22 Million People filing for unemployment. That is overwhelming, right . And you have to think that each of those people has a family. So you extrapolate that out, and it is millions of people who are impacted by this economically. And i think it is atrocious that you have the democrats who are resisting refilling the Small Business loan fund. It is out of money. As of yesterday. Out of money. They are not back in session until next monday. Think about how many days that is as a Small Business person. You did not get your loan, and how long those five days are going to feel for you. Until Congress Figures out a way to get past this and pass and get it done. That is really, should be an absolute priority. And i think the president if he can put his shoulder behind and push them, he should press this. Juan they will have to negotiate and do this urgently. Greg, i wanted to come back to the whole notion of reopening, because so much of it has to do with trust. You can say things will reopen, but for you and me, are we going to like get back to a restaurant or get on a plane, or decide we are going to stay at a hotel if we are not quite sure and our hearts that we are safe . Greg i go back to what i said before. I think we are willing at this point to take that risk. Because we kind of we all kind of are alike in getting that feeling. You know what, we are doing the best we can, but right now, maybe it is time that we started as dana would say, lifting our gaze. Ive never heard it before. Its very nice. We have to leave the vulnerable at home. If the older people with underlining conditions, if they are at home, the younger, the healthier people, the people can go back to work. I do love how all of this is now governor lead. And it makes me think that trump just pulled a tom sawyer painting defense stunned. When he said i am in control and said no, no, no you dont. Okay, you guys call the shots. So it is interesting is the governors have skin in this game. And it is really important, when you are criticizing the commander in chief or anybody, that you have skin in the game. Because it changes and alters the way that you criticize. Because basically, you could be held responsible. Lastly, it will be a challenge to tabulate. You can count the deaths by a virus, but you have a hard time counting the casualties of a shut down. Whether it is suicide, failed businesses, whole hopelessness,e unemployment numbers could end up killing as many people as the virus. But the problem is we cant count that. Its to an orifice and anonymous. That will be a challenge for a lot of people, they will not be able to see the invisible death. Juan thats a good point. Jesse, lets speak to that point, because i think that you have a situation now where people are saying that we want to get back to work. We have these record unemployment figures, but at the same time if we reopen too quickly, it could damage the economy, because if there is a second wave or peeking in terms of the curve, that will crater the economy once more. Jesse its like when you go underwater and hold your breath. If you keep holding your breath, you will sustain brain damage or you will drowned. You can tell the country is ready to stop holding its breath and get above water and get a gasp of air, because if you keep staying underwater, you have seen depression level economic jobs losses. In just one month alone. This countrys not going to make it to may 1st. And thats why you see some states are going to have to open in phases. From what i understand about the plan, it is a 3phase plan. Before you start phase one, a state has to demonstrate a 2week downward trajectory on cases. It has to have Robust Health care performance, and it has to have robust testing among the frontline workers. Only then can get into phase one. And phase one is just limited amounts of people going back to work. Phase two, you open up bars and restaurants, and that is only with limited Capacity Seating and social distancing. And they suggest nonessential travel, kind of really be curtailed. Only until phase three, have schools and camps and things like that in large events, and social distancing. Because right now, i dont know. You can feel this country getting angry. And its not just at the chine chinese. They are getting angry at the governors. They are not allowed to go to church. They dont have freedom of association. They cant pursue happiness. This is getting pretty ugly. And we cant take it anymore. Juan i think you have to understand, we are dealing with a virus. By katie, speaking to that point again. When you are asking people, when you are asking people to listen to the government and reopen, people will say, oh, didnt it people say that it was just like the flu . Didnt they say that it was going to disappear quickly, why should i listen to them this time . Katie people are not super worried about what we have been through, people want their leaders to make right decisions so that they can get back to work and provide for their families. To the protests in michigan are an interesting experiment about what you will see around the country. Because as jesse said, when people feel continually that they are pushed in a corner and continually told that they are not essential when they are looking at their kids and not stocking their freezer full of 13 been ice cream like nancy pelosi in San Francisco and on a tighter budget than they were before, and they are worried about what the next two months will look like for theiry essential. And it feels just as suffocating and serious and threatening to them and to their livelihood as getting sick from the virus does. So there has to be a balance with these governors, not overstating their bounds. And not telling people that they cannot grow their own food as a governor in michigan has done by banning the buying of seeds. If you overstep those boundaries, youre going to have a revolt. And americans are smart. They have done very well at being cooperative throughout the process. But there will come a time when they are not willing to trade the nonfreedom that they now have, and pushing the rights away for some kind of security that they feel they have given up already. Juan katie, do you have any sense, the governor of new york said may 15th or 14th, do you think that is reasonable . Katie i think that the president will probably lay out a plan today. And as dana said, it will be case by region by region. We will have to wait and see. Juan all right. Coming up. A shocking report on the possible origins of the coronavirus. Stay tuned to the five for that important story. Excuse me. Uh. Do you mind. Being a motour . What could be better than being a motour . The real question is. Do you mind not being a motour . I do. For those who were born to ride, theres progressive. Who takes care of yourself. So when it comes to screening for colon cancer, dont wait. Because when caught early, its more treatable. Im cologuard. 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Intelligence that the deadly virus escape from a lab in wuhan after sloppy handling. China pushing back saying there is no direct evidence the lab was involved. The sources also adding that the World Health Organization helped china cover it all up. Katie, let me go to you first about this development. And i guess it helps, this has been out there. But it helps pin the tail on the donkey here about where this would have come from. And what the importance is that it was not intentional, apparently. Katie as far as we know, the pentagon says that they are still looking into that, but they do say on the record that they believe it is natural. Now tom cotton has been floating the theory for months now, and the Washington Post called him a conspiracy theorist who was peddling something very dangerous. Now we have state Department Cables and also evidence out of china that this is likely what happened. Why would china not allow the cdc into the labs to take a look at what was going on. Why did they destroy evidence. Why did they get rid of a number of people working in the labs . Did it come from the lab . And one thing that will be the bigger question moving forward is are we going to take china seriously when it comes to them stealing our information in america by working in labs here and going back to china. It is part of bret baiers reporting that the lab was trying to work on competing with americans. They have been in our university is. They tried to build and bar chinese Literary Services from working in american labs. Do you think that that would be something that we would not want going on. The visa program for Chinese Students is riddled with spies who come here and steal information from phd programs. Harvard, that professor was arrested in january who was a top chemist at harvard who was working with the wuhan lab. So this is a bigger box of issues that is fun have to be addressed. Im not surprised at all that this is where it is going. Dana juan, there was reporting that Health Officials had raised concerns about this particular lab and the sloppiness by which the workers, the scientists there were not following proper protocols. This is going back even a few years ago. Juan yeah, so what you have is a situation that is plausible. I think that is your point. We have every reason to say, this could be the case. And again, to reiterate what katie just said, its not that they created it, but they were sloppy in their handling of a virus that was competing with the u. S. Saying, we can handle viruses and the like. As to my mind, what you get is a situation where the real and provable thing is that china covered it up. Thats what it strikes me, lets not get away from the fact that they are culpable for having worsened the situation. And one other point, i would say, why are we going after the w. H. O. , when we should be going after china . But finally, none of this it seems to me mitigates the idea that our own government was slow to respond, and that we have to deal with sort of whats right here in front of us at the moment, which is a slow response has put us in a situation where we have been in lockdown and we see the climate of unemployment numbers. Dana let me talk about china and what this brought to. We were talking about the unemployment numbers, and its not just here in the United States, of course, all over the world, there is a huge impact. And what shorter price sort of pressured china have to pay for that . Greg the lab has one job. Its like the occupational version of las vegas. You know, what happens in the lab stays in the lab. Thats the only thing required to do. If you cant keep that stuff in the lab, then you are not a lab. You are everybody else. Im going to let juans light go by about how we said we were not prepared or what ever. Because that is b. S. And we have gone over that. The big issue here is that he juan what . Greg the media always labels people as conspiracists when people ask questions that they are too scared to ask, right . They always apply this weird peer pressure on what is acceptable as a question. And that causes a delayed response, because nobody wanted to hear about shutting down travel, right . Nobody wanted to hear about talking about chinese cultural practices that might lead to disease, i. E. The wet market. The most vital questions that needed to be asked including the origins of the pandemic were sacrificed for gossip, chatter, and fingerpointing. Oh, we were too late. We do not act fast enough. To the problem is, it is not a top media narrative for our press. To the media is like every single law and order episode. The villain has to be the rich american socialite, or they will kill the script. So they were not interested in the fact that china was the villain or it came from the lab, because that is a foreign villain. It is not trump or america, which is why juan had to go back and stayed the response was slow, because he was not content with it being chinas fault. Dana there were journalists from the new york times, the Washington Post that were kicked out of china for reporting on this. And they were basically told that they had to leave the country. Jesse yeah, i had a viral expert on my show last weekend, and he spoke about this theory. And the media said that he was a conspiracy theorist. To gregs point, it is a theory. Its not a conspiracy. And now it looks pretty accurate. He said the chinese in this lab were conducting such dangerous and Risky Research on this virus in a city next to 15 Million People in a sloppy lab with the bad protocols, that the u. S. Had to actually pull out of their collaboration. He says this is gross medical malpractice. Its extremely reckless. And it was made worse by the communist government. Think about it this way. And i will speak to juan on this, imagine if exxonmobil was doing some sort of Chemical Research at a facility and cutting corners in order to save a buck, and the thing got loose and ended up killing tens of thousands of people and taking 1 trillion out of the u. S. Economy, and exxonmobil covered it up, and the Trump Administration then covered it up and pushed a propaganda plan to cover it up. And if that was uncovered, exxonmobil would be bankrupt. They would be paying billions in settlements. And donald trump would be hauled in front of the hague for war crimes. Thats how serious this is. But everyones going soft on china and the media, like they cant talk about it. Lets be honest about what happened and not be scared to tell the truth. Dana all right. Good talk, guys. Next up on the five, joe biden trying to perform a shadow government in his battle against President Trump . We will talk about it next. Its best we stay apart for a bit, but youre not alone. 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