System. There was nothing in the database that precluded him from purchasing a firearm. He is not in any fbi database. Kimberly we learned that kelley escaped from a Mental Health facility in 2012. The massacre has stirred up another debate about gun control in america. It expanded all the way up to south korea today where the president was asked this. Reporter i wonder if you would consider extreme vetting for people trying to buy are gone. You are bringing up a situation that probably shouldnt be discussed too much right now. We should maybe let a little time go by. But thats okay if you think its an appropriate question. If you did what you are suggesting, there would have been no difference three days ago. He might not of had that very brave person who happened to have a gun or a rifle in his truck, go out and shoot him and hit him and neutralize him. Not going to help. Kimberly your thoughts and comments on the president s remarks. Greg thats always the debate youre going to get on both sides. Good guy with a gun, bad guy with a gun. There are more good guys and there are bad guys. Thats why its common sense you hope theres more good guys out there and you have them trained. We will talk about that later. I want to take this thing in its entirety. This guy fractured an infants skull, escaped from a mental hospital, beat up a puppy. These are all markers of the kind of person who should not be allowed to have weapons. This guy was caught sneaking firearms into his airbase. He was attempting to carry out Death Threats against his chain of command. We are told to see something and Say Something. Nobody did anything. How did this guy get a gun . This is the last creature on earth. This is a mistake that rivals fort hood. Somebody dropped the ball. This is like the doll hassan. They knew this was a bad egg and they didnt do anything. They tell us when you see something, Say Something and nobody does anything because nobody wants to get in trouble. This is a huge mistake. Kimberly when you see the news and developments that have happened. Escaped from a mental facility, beats animals, fractured his stepsons goal. This is the exactly the type of person who shouldnt be allowed to have any weapons to do further harm. Like greg said, showing tendencies. Dana one President Trump two days ago now talked about being a Mental Health issue. This is actually a criminal issue. When there are cries of do something, do something would be not necessarily pass new laws but how about enforce the laws on the books. Senator cornyn had to introduce legislation that said tell you what. He would be a great idea if everybody that has information on criminal convictions could upload that to the background check system. How about we do that . If that doesnt pass by a voice vote tomorrow, thats outrage. Kimberly more time has passed since the horrific murders of these innocent lives, and we are learning more about this man, about the killer. About his background and about where the system failed these families. Jesse the air force has blood on its hands. All they had to do is do their job, and they failed. The Inspector General is now launching an investigation. The air force is a great institution, saves countless lives but they lost two dozen this week. The guy fractures and infants goal, chokes his girlfriend, beats her, kicks her. It is only a misdemeanor. Thats wrong on the start of it. Second of all, the judge. His name is jay wesley moore. Soft sentence, one year lockup. It shouldve been five years. If he had served five years, the minimum for doing Something Like this, he wouldve still been locked up and wouldnt have been able to go on this shooting spree. And the 12 month confinement automatically triggers no handgun or rifle purchases. Why was it a bad conduct discharge instead of a dishonorable discharge . If it was dishonorable, which it was, beating infants and women, that should have, again, triggered a ban on producing weapons. Caught escaping from a mental facility. Thats obviously, this guy is a total maniac. There are already gun control laws and legal remedies in place to prevent this guy from purchasing a weapon. Because of human error and bad judgment, this guy was allowed to go on a rampage. For the media to say that this is all about gun control, i mean, its like shooting first and asking questions later. If the answer is more gun control, they are asking the wrong questions. There are already guncontrol laws in place. They are so out of touch, especially this woman up there asking the president a question. So out of touch with the American People to ask Something Like that. It really makes me angry. The medias reaction of the recent tragedies. Its been so offbase. The las vegas shooter. What was the reaction . Band silencers . How about the nyc terror attack . They are talking about islamaphobia. You remember what happened with the hurricanes come they are talking about melanias heels and global warming. Its no wonder they get the moniker of fake news. Kimberly that was wellprepared, jesse. To juan, a couple issues. The guncontrol debate taking center stage. You also have the president s reaction, dealing with this issue while hes overseas on a trip and being asked. What are your thoughts . Juan i think the president , and its sad for me to say but i think so many conservative just have kind of a kneejerk reaction. We are not going to talk about this. Not the best time to talk about it. Its too soon after the tragedy or im overseas or im busy. But i dont want to talk about it. Thats when it comes off as. I think, i wanted to respond to something jesse said. I dont think the media is out of touch when they ask a question of the president of the United States. Its 80 of americans think we should have universal background checks. When i am listening to my colleagues here this afternoon, i think you guys really are making a case that if someone has a history of mental disturbance, a history of criminal behavior, we as an American People should know about it and we should be able to impose some limit on their ability to access. Greg there was a mistake. Juan but this is not a question anymore. This is why i was so pleased with jesse yesterday when he said we cant agree on gun control because you, juan, you want to gun control. Jesse doesnt. We can agree certain people who are criminals, mentally deranged, should not be able to get guns. And yet the congress does nothing. Greg you know it could be done, we talk about locking up people. Theres a missing remedy here, thats institutionalization. When you have a maniac and a monster, we have no place to with them. Over the last 50 years, weve seen a decline of 95 in staterun institutions. We house under 50,000 people who are dangerously or mentally ill. Its a 95 drop new factor in the doubling of the population. We dont have a place to put these people longterm because weve made that a toxic decision. Weve made the idea of institutionalization is wrong when in fact it saves lives, and it wouldve saved lives if this guy was any permanent situation or semipermanent. Kimberly there were a number of files that resulted in 26 lives lost and horrific injuries. Last night, two strangers who banded together to stop the deranged gunman embraced at a vigil for the victims. Emotional images of Stephen Willeford and Johnny Langendorff and bracing. He insists hes not a hero. Many feel otherwise. I am no hero. Im not. I think my god, my lord protected need to give me the skills to do what needed to be done. I wish i couldve gotten there faster. But i didnt know. I didnt know what was happening. Kimberly greg, quick. We will take it around. These are the kind of comments the president was making. Greg you see an act of heroism, you question whether you can do it. The answer is yes, if youre trained. This is the first and only time hes ever been in the situation he responded to the situation perfectly. He was an nra certified, trained in this. We talked about the solution of pardoning soft targets. You hard and soft targets through the training of individuals. In israel and there are terror attacks, they advised citizens they are to arm their houses because they are people with knives that comes to their houses. They train the population to respond to threats. That was a man who didnt have to think. Thats why he responded heroically. Even though he was terrified, it was ingrained in his skull of what to do. Kimberly unbelievable. Makes the case, makes the point for proper training and education. Arming yourself with the education about weapons. Dana also i think what hes talking about is his faith and how his faith guided him. He doesnt think of himself as a hero. Obviously we are all going to disagree with that but i can understand where hes coming from. He is saying i have this capability in these talents because god provided it to me and he had me there at the right place and right time and i wish i couldve done more. Its not easy to talk about your faith, especially when it will be ridiculed by so many. I admire him for being willing not only to talk about that terrible day but to share with america and the world that he actually believes it was god that was guiding him. Kimberly yeah, very impactful lesson. He talks about his faith guiding him and giving the courage, that he had the wherewithal in the training to be able to jump into action. Jesse and i said the media was out of touch, juan, because they were bashing the nra. Guess what, as you would like to say, it was an nra trained member who ended up saving lives that day. Also out of touch because they are calling for more gun control yet i think three guncontrol laws were broken and not enforced. Its not about having more gun control. We already have great guncontrol in this country. But people didnt enforce it. People were sloppy, and a judge made a very lenient sentence. It was personal error, institutional error. Thats why you saw this tragedy. Kimberly should have been charged with a felony instead of a misdemeanor. Juan i think the president was asked specifically a question, what you are saying, he was asked, would you back extreme vetting for anyone who wants to get a gun in the United States. He then ran away from the question. What you are saying is we need to extremely vet these people to make sure mistakes arent made out to make sure people who are mentally incapacitated. Jesse we have extreme vetting but the vetters failed. Juan the big argument is about universal background checks. We dont have close to extreme vetting. President obama said we need a right to life argument here which is to say should be able to walk the streets and feel safe in your Church Without the thought that there are so many guns. Anybody can walk in here. Jesse put the guys name in the system and this never wouldve happened. Juan put more guns everywhere. Schools, churches. Kimberly we are probably going to find out the fbis having a hard time getting into his phone. We know he was texting to his motherinlaw and his father. We will probably find out more. One of the things were going to find i would imagine is that you have family members who know they are involved with a very dangerous individual. What is their recourse . What are they supposed to do in order to help prevent something . That actually would be something useful to talk about, not just on Mental Health. How do you incapacitate somebody who has the wherewithal to do it and if a family number is worried. It feels like the only thing we do is after the fact. Kimberly i think they have to report. They have to stand up and say im going to call the police and the authorities. You can love a family member. Dana not easy to do. Greg this guy should have been locked up. If you cant put him in prison, there has to be staterun facilities. We have to start thinking about it. Kimberly President Trump puts kim jong un on notice again, this time on his doorstep. He sounded optimistic about resolving the north korean crisis peacefully. Thats all next on the five. Hey, bud. You need some help . No, im good. Come on, moe. I have to go. vo we always trusted our Subaru Impreza would be there for him someday. Ok. Thats it. vo we just didnt think someday would come so fast. See ya later, moe. vo the Subaru Impreza. The longestlasting vehicle in its class. More than a car, its a subaru. 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No fire in serious threats to her little rocket man. He urged the north to come to the table for talks. President obamas secretary of state doesnt like the approach. John kerry, who believes in james taylor diplomacy, has an amusing new theory. Trump is the reason north korea wants the bomb. I think the rhetoric to date has stepped over the line with respect to the messages that are being sent. Giving people of north korea a reason to say we need a bomb. If we dont have a bomb, we are not going to be able to protect ourselves. Jesse mr. Secretary, as he president pointed out in tokyo, week rhetoric over 24 years has led us to where we are today. This is gunship diplomacy at its finest. He has, what is it, the uss nimitz, ronald reagan, theodore roosevelt, and a Nuclear Submarine right off the coast. And he is saying lets come to the table. Dana nothing like military might will get you to a diplomatic solution. You have to have both, which is why secretary mattis and mcmaster say its important that tillerson has the resources he needs. They dont want to use the military because diplomacy is so important. I am confused about the idea of talking. A couple months ago he said talks were useless. Perhaps this is a bit about being unpredictable or saying Something Different in south korea because it helps the south koreans deal with their neighbors to the north. Maybe thats what china is asking for. Perhaps its part of a grand strategy. Maybe he will explain it more tonight at 9 00 p. M. President trump has a speech. The thing about secretary kerry saying trump has given north korea the reason to have a Nuclear Weapon reminds me of the phrase, any time you talk about going after islamic terrorism, the left would scream but this is what isis wants. This is what al qaeda wants. No, actually they want is to destroy western civilization and north korea wants a Nuclear Weapon because i think it will protect them from a world they think is out to get them. Greg north korea has been doing this before trump was in office. They have been doing it with every single president. John kerry, a driftwood sculpture human being. He made a deal with 9 11 enablers in iran. Instead of dropping bombs on isis, he sent james taylor to france. America, you could argue, and somewhat disagree. Im sure juan wed. We are probably made more progress with north korea under trump then in the last 40 years because we have china on board. Thats different. We are targeting and isolating the north korean economy in a way that hasnt been done before. Because of china. Nobody wants war. I think what President Trump is doing is good copbad cop. Thats what it is. And it seems to be working, especially when he brings in his wild costar Dennis Rodman to close the deal. Jesse lets roll it. One thing with donald trump, the fact that he needs me to do one thing. Donald trump, help us please. Jesse i am sure jimmy carter is thinking what about me . Kimberly he is like, put me in, coach. Im ready to play. I cant really understand anything Dennis Rodman says. I want to talk more about President Trump. People are criticizing and saying wait, now he wants to do diplomacy. Where is this guy going . Maybe that will work. Maybe there is stuff like danas thing thats happened or transpired. Behind the scenes and hes getting a cooperative push from china or south korea. Can you imagine, you were saying this and im thinking what if he had made comments there to really make it difficult when hes over there trying to reach out and establish good relation relations. That would be problematic. It could be very dangerous for them. I think he has to sort of have the recent, rational approach. And i think it i hope its. I hope we can work something out short of