amount of gear into a hotel room unassisted. it's troublesome for the amount of stuff he had had both residents. unassisted. so what could be more beneficial than to find people associated with him by friendship or accomplice and for us to determine that. maybe he was working all this out on his own, but it would be hard for me to believe that. >>:: lots of questionshen paddock plan to get away. let's go to trace gallagher for more on that. doing as many press conferences. if you don't have that much to say, marie, you know that, it's hard to stand up there and keep saying the same thing over and over because people get frustrated and then you get frustrated and you seem to look a little bit unprepared. >> lisa: what we saw last night and the frustration at the press conference. they kept pushing back and saying you guys, you're asking the same questions over and over again. we are doing our best. you want to get -- you want us to get this right. please allow us the space and time to do that. you are correct in your assumption that maybe they are doing too many press conferences. because they do continue to get the same questions and getting a little frustrated. >> jesse: one of the things the police chief alluded to above information he know but won't share is the escape plan. i don't understand what he could have been thinking in terms of -- parachute to jump out the window? >> marie:: it's crazy that this guy would do this and get away with it. but he clearly was crazy to begin with if he decided to shoot at this many people with all these weapons he had accumulated in a preplanned way. clearly this was not, he woke up on dan was mad at the world. one of the places that will be interesting as the investigation goes is his online behavior. did have emails that talk at all about his state of mind? did he have facebook, twitter? was he on websites? i don't know any of these answers. maybe that's a way for the investigators to get some answers. it is human nature for all of us to want an explanation. there can't not be one. for someone to decide to do this. i think that's what we are all grappling with today. we don't have that, that's pretty unusual in this kind of mass shooting. in other ones, it becomes pretty clear pretty quickly. >> jesse: what i am interested in is this woman he was seen with. it reminds me of the conversation you and i had about the woman in the local news report who i guess told someone you are all going to die soon. do you think that possibly could have been the same woman? >> greg: i don't know. it's hard in vegas when you say there is a man seen with an unidentified woman. that was not his wife. i know the interesting thing about this entire plan, i do think he wanted to get out. i think perhaps the fuel tanks would have allowed him away to escape if there was an explosion. the one thing in common with all of these places, fenway park, lollapalooza or the vegas target, open-air targets. you've got to move away from the question of how to stop a high i.q. individual with no kids, a lot of money, the means and fantasies to exact terror. chances are you are not going to be able to stop his intent. you could slow him down in certain ways. the solution is going to be enhanced security. 7.5 billion people on the planet. 99.9% of them are good. one person can actually create a larger carnage footprint, affecting thousands of lives by targeting an open-air arena. the function is to protect citizens by identifying ways to do that, using i think high-tech protection protection. i've been talking about this. drones, specific drones. robotics, things we need to start talking about protection, security. stop thinking about the weapon as much as you can to prevent and protect an area, it's the idea of specific defense of targets. it's going to be the future. and it will be the industry the people should really think about. we should be rejecting fear, embracing security, and reducing the media footprint of fiends so we spend less time talking about them and more time enhancing security. i think that's the way to go. i don't think you can stop a high i.q. individual with the means from exacting terror, because he planned this. he thought of everything. and what someone thinks of everything, even if you take away the bump stocks, and that might've slowed down one aspect, he would've found a way to make them himself. he had other ways and means. he thought about this. it's clear you can't stop able when evil decides to be committed. i think he acted alone. because if you are acting in a larger group, it's usually part of a religious extremist group because they all share the same ideology. it's hard to convince friends and acquaintances of doing something. it's hard to get somebody into a car that you are going to blow up unless it's for a greater apocalyptic vision. if there isn't one, then it's harder to say hey, look, this is my dream, my fantasy is to do this. none of you are going to go with me. but if we are all radical islamists and i'm going this jihad is going to take us straight to heaven, i can get all of you involved. >> dana: the algorithm possibility. could big data have figured something out? is there a way a robot could have identified it? >> greg: i think drones come in terms of protection. outdoor events are going to go away if we don't solve this. >> marie:: soft targets. malls, sporting events. >> dana: rahm emanuel said they were triple checking security because they have the marathon. >> lisa: i am interested, were reports he was potentially verbally abusive to marilou danley. if there was a female accomplice, i could see someone like that going along with him, if he is abusive in nature. we don't know much about him in terms of that but you could see a scenario involved where he beats down someone so much emotionally that potentially they go along with something. >> jesse: also a very emotional moment yesterday. thomas gunderson was in the kill box, in the area where the event was, and was visited by the president. let's take a look. that gentleman, thomas gunderson, said later "i will never lie down when the president of this great country comes to shake my hand." he's going to be on hannity, so hopefully everyone checks it out. >> greg: we talked about the first responders in the brave citizens. one thing we don't talk about are the dispatchers, the police, fire, and hospital dispatchers that are inundated with information and misinformation. they are advising people on the street. i guess you would call it an emerging situation. they were overwhelmed. we often forget. >> jesse: the doctors and nurses in their performing amazing life-saving surgery, reconstructive surgery. people who have lost limbs. people who have been shot through the eye, and they are doing an amazing job working around the clock to save people. >> marie:: and the mental health professionals who will be dealing with this for decades. there are wounds that are physical and will heal. it will take time, but the people who live through it, the ptsd, the kind of mental health care they are to have. >> dana: i had a guy on the 2:00 show, a fireman for the las vegas fire department. he was not on duty. he was a fan. he became a first responder try to help everyone. he was saying he feels bad for the civilian heroes were helping others because he, as a law enforcement and fire department official, has access to psychiatric help. but all of those people who saw the trauma won't necessarily think they need to seek out help. he was hoping we could spread the message that if you are one of those people, you should definitely do that. >> jesse: very traumatizing experience. our democrats and republicans close to an agreement on a new gun control measure following the massacre? an update next. ♪ with 33 individual vertebrae and 640 muscles in the human body no two of us are alike. life made more effortless through adaptability. the perfect position seat in the lincoln continental. ♪ ♪ >> dana: democrats and republicans in congress have long sparred on the subject of gun regulation but could they be nearing an agreement on at least one new measure in wake of the las vegas massacre? banning the sale of bump stocks, designed to increase the rate of fire on semiautomatics. the white house appears open to it as well. >> we always welcome a conversation on policy and issues. the second amendment is bedrock within our constitution come along with the first amendment. these rights must be productive productive -- protected but we have also heard many senators sy support the second amendment. there gun owners and hunters and sportsmen. this piece -- bump stock, they had never even heard of the deve before. they are in congress. many of them are open to a conversation. >> dana: the nra said it supports a new federal review on bump stocks. maybe we have some agreement. >> jesse: bipartisanship in washington. it's amazing. i think, we set on monday and tuesday, let's look at regulating bump stocks. i think that's a good thing. it wouldn't prevent mass shootings but it would maybe decrease the casualty count. it's a symbolic measure. it's not a fix all but the nra supports it. i've seen a lot of republican senators and congressmen, nra type people. they are very supportive of it. ironically it was president obama's atf that deregulated the bump stocks in 2010 and 2012. the justification was that people who lack hand mobility would use the bump stock. that could just be a ruse. that is like smoking weed is illegal but the pong you sell -- the bong is for tobacco. something is done under a democratic administration, it blows up under a republican administration and then they democrats blame the republicans. that happens all the time. what i heard from people is when you go down the slippery slope. this is not a slippery slope because machine guns are already banned. when you add taxes regulations and background checks and classes enough to to take command makes gun ownership more expensive. to the point where poor people can't afford all this stuff. guns are expensive as it is. it gets to the point where only wealthy people can afford firearms with all of the onerous things he lay on the purchase. and the poor people who want to defend the families in their homes can afford it. people are worried the more you lay on the gun purchase, the harder it is for them to be able to obtain it. >> dana: will democrats take yes for an answer? >> marie:: i'm not sure. we all agree on bump stocks. the nra agrees. we need to have a conversation as a country on a bipartisan basis about why this keeps happening and how we can prevent it. there have been 1500 mass shootings since sandy hook. >> greg: that is an exaggeration and you know it. >> marie:: it's not. >> greg: defined a mass shooting. >> marie:: the studies i'm quoting from our over four people killed. >> lisa: that also includes gang violence. >> marie:: okay. so it doesn't make it okay. >> greg: you are using a specific term. >> marie: i just defined it for you. >> greg: it's a miscalculation miscalculation. a little dishonest. steve >> marie: , whatever you t to call it. >> greg: what about the machine gun attacks in france. they have a machine gun attack. >> marie: no where near the number. >> lisa: this is going to happen. the nra has said today republicans have already introduced legislation. this is absolutely happening. the problem is my understanding is you can replicate this on your own. therein lies the problem. because bad people will find a way to hurt people. you look at cities that have very strict gun laws, chicago or baltimore. 4300 shooting victims last year in chicago. 900 in baltimore. nice, france. you took guns out of the equation. you take a truck. look at the oklahoma city bombing, more than 680. you look at the fact that peerless go through -- >> jesse: when someone sets a bomb off, you don't blame the bomb. you blame the person. >> marie: you regulate being able to buy things. can i ask you a question, anyone? why has the balance shifted so far in this country that we are so upset with the rights of gun owners. don't focus as much on the right of americans do not get shot and killed. >> greg: the suggestions you make don't work. >> marie: then let's find once they do. >> greg: that's what we are here for. i will respond to that. wherever there is a gun ban, homicide rates, murder rates go up. there are stats on that. now we are sitting here talking about something about bump stock, no one has heard of it until now except it's been around for a long time. act on bump stock. fine, it's a "no" lose situation. if the device is able to broaden the carnage, then ban it. wiser folks will tell you they are notoriously unreliable and they can't be homemade. what you're going to have is a symbolic gesture that might not do any good but if it does a little good, i agree. let's do bump stocks. you said it's time to have a real conversation. you shifted from bump stocks, the road you are going down to, let's ban guns. >> marie: no. that's really unfair. >> greg: you used misleading stats. >> marie: i don't think they are misleading. the litmus test can't be for us to agree on any legislation or regulation that has to stop every mass shooting. you look at background checks. >> lisa: someone like this guy, he didn't have a previous criminal history, mental health history. you also look at the fact that for a lot of mass shootings, even the one you would describe, four or more, typically happen with handguns. even if you got rid of things like ar-15s. our handguns next? that's what republicans are thinking. you remark about seeing an increase, or at least what appears to be an increase in mass shootings. don't you think that means there may be a bigger underlying problem with society as a hall that people are evil and feeling compelled to do things like that? maybe those are the conversations we should be having. >> marie: we need all of them. >> greg: there are 7.5 billion people on this planet. one of them was this fiend. figure that out. >> dana: we are going to have a stat-off. >> greg: i think we have a new show. it should be on at 3:00 a.m. when you're coming home from a bar. we should all be drinking. >> dana: tucker carlson will be interviewing chris cox from the nra. and then sean hannity talks to another representative from the nra. discussions about scrapping the second amendment altogether. two people with very different politics together on that. next. this guy's gonna wish he brought his umbrella. fire at will! how'd you know the guy's name is will? 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what's the difference? >> marie: i don't think the left says nothing. >> jesse: i haven't heard anything. >> marie: you don't watch msnbc a lot probably. >> jesse: no one does. >> marie: let me read one more thing from bret stevens. he said "from a law and order standpoint, more guns mean more murder. from a personal safety standpoint, more guns means less safety." >> greg: he cites a deeply flawed study. the study didn't look at gun ownership in homicides. he looked at a measure of gun suicides and homicides. an example of why it's flawed is if you look at gun ownership among women, you see very little increase in suicides by gun among women. that's a flaw. then he sucks in the liberal readers confessing this flawed study. then he goes on and debunks every single flimsy argument the left task, revealing their shallow suggestions. then he does the genius move. he suggests political suicide at the end because these really smart. he is challenging jimmy kimmel, challenging schumer to say what they really want to say. ban guns. they prefer to hide behind the rhetoric of demonization that if you don't go for a little bit of gun control, you must be evil. he's saying ban it. >> jesse: i change my opinion. >> lisa: i think this coaching this as a republican or democrat issue is wrong. a really good reporter, who i've worked with in the past, has a great article saying why gun control is a losing issue for democrats. think about the fact that the wall street journalism poll, 40% of households have a gun. we are talking about almost half the country. his article points out that you look at some of the senators running in states for reelection, democrats and red states. they have been especially silent on the issue, even in nevada. the congresswoman, democrat congressman challenging dean heller has been silent on the issue. i think couching this as a republican-democrat issue is wrong. >> marie: i hate to jump to 2018 but it's coming faster than we think. do you think this will continue to be an issue? 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golfing, tweeting, watching cable tv. >> greg: she is a real piece of work. she is still angry, bitter, still hillary. apparently finding her grandchildren born, she cruises the airwaves as people suffer and the guy who won consoles them. at times she sounds like she's campaigning. but for what? it is like high school and she is vying for most likely to clear a room with her laugh. she sees fit to remind people what she would've done if she were in charge. she would have done something. during the election, she did almost nothing to lose. she is like a dumped ex who keeps writing letters to the guys parents reminding them how their son screwed up. check out the female writers at jimmy fallon writing thank you notes. >> thank you, hillary clinton, for handling this difficult transition with more grace than i ever could've imagined. that being said, call me day or night, and i will be there with a gallon of ice cream and two spoons to tell you girl, you are so much better than him. >> thank you, hillary, for always sticking to the issues even as people criticize you for your hair, your wardroom, your appearance. you showed girls everywhere life is not a popularity contest. if it was, he would've won by 3 million votes. >> i was with her. i am still with her. and right now i literally am with her. can i take a selfie? >> of course. >> can i give you a hug? >> yes, yes, yes. >> greg: that's amazing. they are treating her like a lonely friend who lost one of her six cats. that is not joan of arc, not even joan crawford. hillary clinton, the reason why we have donald trump. the more we see of her, the more reassured americans are we made the right choice. henry, there is the door. quote sam malone of cheers, you don't have to go home, but you can't stay here. dana, there has to be something better for her to do. >> dana: you have done book tours. have you ever seen anything like this? this is the longest book tour in the world. on every night and getting all this attention. >> greg: jesse, those letters show you the mind-set of those who work in tv comedy and entertainment. it's kind of cute. it was cute and sad and cute and sad. >> jesse: i don't even want to say anything about this. i'm going to get in trouble if i say what i really think. that was embarrassing. that was humiliating. they should be mad at hillary because she blew it. hillary is not only crooked. she is a liar. they had assets outside puerto rico. they had the ship comfort. has the clinton foundation donated to harvey? to puerto rico? show me the receipts. has hillary been to vegas? did the book tour not go to vegas? she could easily be in vegas comforting victims. no. she is tweeting, hocking her book for cash while trump is comforting victims and bailing out people. i don't want to hear it anymore. she is punch line. >> greg: it's kind of her fault. she should have won. she had the opportunity. if she had gone to wisconsin, she should have won. >> marie: many things could be done differently. there are legitimate criticisms with some of the things president trump has done. i think the fact that hillary is making them should not mean the rest of us should not take them seriously. we can't laugh them off. i understand, even i was uncomfortable with that. but one thing you said in your intro, you said every time they see hillary clinton american voters are more confident in their decision. if you look at the president's poll numbers. >> greg: they are going up. >> marie: from the basement. they are so far down. >> jesse: he still beats her today. if you look at the polls. >> marie: his poll numbers, you would not want his poll numbers. you agree with that. >> jesse: congress would love his poll numbers. >> marie: hillary clinton is not the future of the democratic party. i've said that many times. while i think it's interesting she was the first female nominee. in ten years, i want to read her book. i am ready to move on as a democrat. >> lisa: you say that there's some things she could have done. i think visiting wisconsin is a big thing. >> greg: the russians went there. >> marie: exactly. >> jesse: the russians have better advertising than the clinton campaign. >> lisa: omaha, nebraska, onset of wisconsin. here's the thing. hold on a second. how tone-deaf is it for her to be speaking and criticizing the president yesterday while he was in vegas comforting the victims of the mass shooting. not to mention the fact that he was also in puerto rico on tuesday. instead of uniting the country at a time where we really need to be unified in the wake of something so tragic and horrible, she is dividing the country. we saw that from michelle obama who recently made comments criticizing the republican party and saying basically we are responsible for all the bad -- >> marie: we are allowed to criticize. >> lisa: not saying that the entirety of the republican party are white men and that's the poisonous part of politics. >> greg: it's what we do. they do it. we do it. it's what everybody does. >> jesse: we do it better. >> marie: just wait until 2018. >> jesse: i have all the time in the world. >> greg: had, one of cnn's star anchors. woah. flo and jamie here to see hqx. flo and jamie request entry. slovakia. triceratops. tapioca. racquetball. staccato. me llamo jamie. pumpernickel. pudding. employee: hey, guys! home quote explorer. it's home insurance made easy. password was "hey guys." ♪ >> lisa: a roofless demented killer slaughtered as many people as he could on sunday. today cnn cautioned the white house to be politically correct when referring to stephen paddock. watch. >> you want to be sensitive and respectful but you don't want to talk about how they died? you don't want to talk about that? >> here is how they died. innocent people enjoying themselves at a concert in the greatest country on earth. where we are free to come and g go. victim of a man madman. >> we don't know he was a madman. he could've just been really evil? >> greg: cuomo has one speed. look how fearless i pretend to be. yes, you impress the piers at cnn who are smarter than he has. he knew exactly what she meant. he knew it was a word you describe someone who does awful things. he was parsing her words to impress others. remember, he should be careful. he is the guy who compared fake news to the n-word, if you remember. he said it was the n-word for journalists. the last person to criticize the use of words. >> lisa: watching the coverage of the white house and taking yourself back when you were in the white house, how do you characterize the differences? >> dana: oh, my gosh. well, i only have 2 minutes wire will save it for another day. throwing around psychiatric terms and labels is something everyone does. even president trump's have this guy is demented. i think we can all agree with that. he was asking kellyanne conway to be judicious and not rush to judgment. but they have no problem labeling president trump a narcissist. that is also a technical term. >> jesse: remember when hillary clinton had the hearing about benghazi and she said who cares what they did. what difference does it make? they were here to kill americans. and everybody supported hillary clinton, including chris cuomo. that's exactly what happened here. who cares what you collect? he's either sick, crazy, evil. he is all of the above. he killed americans. we just have to find out the motivation. >> lisa: marie, what comes to mind? we have seen the studies about how the media treats president trump, the coverage has been extremely negative. do you ever see interviews like this and are like, that's out of line. >> marie: i don't think this one was out of line. i'm going to disagree with greg. i like chris cuomo. >> greg: i like him too and i don't even know him. >> marie: i like him as a reporter, i should say. i don't know why he said that about the madman. that was kind of stupid. this is a different kind of white house. they treat the press differently. it is like the chicken and the egg. >> greg: yeah. >> marie: >> lisa: we've got to. stay tuned because "one more thing" is up next. ♪ if you have moderate to severe ulcerative colitis or crohn's, and your symptoms have left you with the same view, it may be time for a different perspective. if other treatments haven't worked well enough, ask your doctor about entyvio, the only biologic developed and approved just for uc and crohn's. entyvio works by focusing right in the gi-tract to help control damaging inflammation and is clinically proven to begin helping many patients achieve both symptom relief as well as remission. infusion and serious allergic reactions can happen during or after treatment. entyvio may increase risk of infection, which can be serious. while not reported with entyvio, pml, a rare, serious brain infection caused by a virus may be possible. tell your doctor if you have an infection, experience frequent infections, or have flu-like symptoms, or sores. liver problems can occur with entyvio. if your uc or crohn's medication isn't working for you, ask your gastroenterologist about entyvio. entyvio. relief and remission within reach. ♪ >> jesse: time for "one more thing." this happened on "happening now." foreign policy guest. take a look. >> i am actually in dallas to tried to convince a girl to marry me. it's not a sure thing. there is another suitor in the picture. but look. yeah, there is. on your show, possibly with the help of your audience. they are very data-driven, her and her family. i think any amount of tweets would help. any branch, if you are out there, i am the guy for you. >> jesse: still waiting for amy's response. we haven't heard it yet but we will be listing. >> greg: i don't know if that technique will work. >> jesse: risky move. >> greg: at a baseball game. >> jesse: anything can happen. >> greg: i tried that once. time for this. greg's escalator news. drives me crazy when my gilded escalator on my private jet gets stuck. the saudi arabian king. you've got to clean underneath the steps for you get debris under the moving straps. then you stop. it's very embarrassing. you forget how to walk down escalator steps. happens to me all the time. i forget how to walk. what do i do? everyone stands there. maybe if we moved earth up you could hop off. >> jesse: does he ever walk? >> greg: you found that. you sent it to me. >> dana: did i? i didn't send it to you. i have a better one. eric church, a performer at the harvest festival at the weekend in vegas. he performed friday. last night he was at the grendel of paris and he opened up about how he didn't want to perform that night. then he heard about sonny melto melton. they have been in vegas. heather said they had tickets to see church in nashville. >> section three. row f. there is empty seats. that's their seats. i will tell you, the reason i'm here, the reason i'm here tonight is because of heather and sonny. >> dana: i tweeted the article. you can see the whole thing. he said music is the only way he knows how to fix anything. >> marie: rex tillerson had to tell the president yesterday he was still loyal. afterwards, bob corker, republican senator who was retiring said it was tillerson, secretary mattis, and john kelly said they are separating our country from chaos. corker is retiring. i think you're going to see more truth telling from the senator. it is watch this space. >> lisa: dogs bring a lot of love. the lutheran church charities and their canine comfort dogs left for las vegas monday to bring comfort for the victims and those affected. >> jesse: set your dvrs. never miss an episode of "the five." "special report" it's up next. three when the gunman behind the deadliest mass shooting in u.s. history may have plotted to kill others with a car bomb. it seems he had an escape plan. the nra backed new rules on gun accessories, and is the president ready to pull out of the iran nuclear deal? maybe something just short of that. this is "special report" ." good evening. welcome to washington. i am bret baier. a possible car bomb. scouting other locations, an escape plan and the belief he could not have acted alone. these are just some of the headlines about the suspect behind sunday shooting that left 58 people dead and hundreds injured. while police try to figure out

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