British document recalled the jihadis next door. They havent confirmed its him in the video but several media organizations have verifiedal te authenticity. Take a look. Because he is white and english, he can go. All the bus, all the trains. We have to stay. This is our reality. Dont forget all the laws. We were just praying. We cant pray as well . Dana hindsight is 20 20. The jihadis next door, do you know if they are actually going to be violent and at what pointd can the police intervene . And that assumes to be the big question tonight. How do you deal with this overall . Greg whats so strange about these documentaries is whenever you went to a movie, what do you see at the end . You see roughly 100 names, credits from directors, the writers, the stuntmen, the hair and makeup, the caterers. Grips. There could be hundreds of names. Im just wondering, how many of them felt compelled to do something when they see the content of the subject that they are looking at there are many people who knew about this person because they worked on the film, but they didnt do anything about it because of the same thing we always talk about, they are being called a racist or islamophobic, which allows a force field so you cant touch them. I think, what if you divorced religion from their murderous assertions, then you would have a serial killer . What if he announced his plans publicly before hand . Like one of them did in italy. Thats not a crime but you can actually institutionalize them because they are insane. If someone says they are going to embark on mass murder, you can probably or that he might be mentally ill put them away. These peoplele are insane. Put them away. Dana from a legal standpoint, kimberly, im interested in this line. There are laws in britain and also we have some here that say if you do this or that, if you pledge allegiance to isis, then you can be taken into custodyif but how long do you keep them and what are the charges . The other thing thats amazing is they were on public benefits. Kimberly this gets more amazing by the minute, its so disgusting and appalling. We have to come alike, bend over backwards to accommodate people that want to murder and defend innocent women and children and destroy everyones wellbeing and the life that we know and love every day. We are really hindering the ability of Law Enforcement to do the job that they have been sworn to do to protecthe and serve. Instead, they want to give an apology to people like this for telling us directly what itit is that its in their hearts, minds, forecasting their intentions. Thats still not good enough. What do you want . Only after the fact that the act is completed, thats sufficient . Thats not what the law says. If you can catch people conspiring and that should be sufficient. Andd now look. The world has to see this. Can you imagine how offensive and deeply disturbing it is for the family members that have to watch these videos and hear these words and know that these people were identified and on the radar and absolutely nothing was done . Whose side are you playing for . Thats whats bothering me so much. I mean, i dont understand. Just mail it in, hand it over to them. We are sorry, have we offended your right to kill us . Thats what i dont get. We are seeing it play out in london and throughout the world and inat the united states. And people are mad about tweets instead. Dana the mi5 in 2015 saidhe they are under pressure and today they said they have 3,000 targeted, high risk jihadis they are watching. They have 500 who are high risk and thousands that are formeris jihadists. So you have a Risk Management problem in terms of resources. Jesse its hard toio prioritize these animals. The guy, lowmoderate risk. Can you imagine the high risk guys you are looking at . I cant believe this guy with on welfare. The welfare terrorists. That would be the New York Post headline the next day. Welfare jihad. If youre holding up an isiswe flag in the middle of the city if someone walks like a terrorist and talks like a terrorist, they are probably a greg is right, they are serial killers. If someone walks like a terrorist and talks like a terrorist, they are probably a terrorist. If you are a terrorist sympathizer, you are an unlit fuse and all it takes is one strike of a match and kaboom. People are dead. British authorities have to start rounding up unlit fuses right away because they cant let this stuff happening over and over again. Its kind of like child pornography. A you treat it like an offense, its a one strike policy. If someone shows an interest or is online talking about it, boom. Throw the book at them. You have to do the same thing with jihadists. Dana what we have been t worried about for the past 56 years, we were going to have westerners who were traveling to syria for training and because they have a western passport, they were able to come back. The other thing thats happened is radicalization is set up. As isis shrinks, they are deputizing everyone around the world saying dont wait for us. Dont even come here to the caliphate. Dont tryy to. Just try to do your work there. The radicalization has sped up so much you have terrorist that are younger and younger. To jesses point, i understand the point of trying to round them up but what to do with them from there . What are the charges if they are actually citizens of western countries . Juan what you can do in a situation you described is ifze people have dual passports, takc away their british citizenship you can take revoke or suspend. I want to respond what i was saying and britain has had experience of this before in terms of the irish issues. I remember the northern irish, what they call a few troubles over in britain, right . What they did then is a created, almost, basically internment camps. What they found was it wasnt effective. E in fact, it became a recruitment tool for irish terrorism. As it was being perpetrated in britain. Dana thats what people said around the world about gitmo. Thats what people said i think islamic terrorism i understand terrorism is terrorism, i think this threat is different. At their height, the am i five would say that during theub troubles, they had about 103 people correct. I just mentioned 23, 24,000 we know of. Juan two points. The one you are making, give such a large pool of people and the question becomes, do you want thought police . Kimberly its not thought police. Ht hang on. Let me make my point. Aw im the lawyer here. What im telling you is you are not accurate. Allow me to make my point. If you have a flag, as we saw in the documentary, if you are saying outrageous things, at one evidence of extremism or intent to incite violence . One of the problems that teresa may come of the Prime Minister has made, and she was homeland, in charge of Homeland Security for the brits before she came by minister, she said its harder to define extremism under law in a way that is effective. They are still struggling in britain with this issue. Kimberly what about providing materials thathi support as we just heard and this came up today because of a youtube thing that was about how to use a truck to kill people. The youtube thing was eventually taken down when the wall street journal called. At what point is that Material Support . St jesse its more than just speech, juan, if you are trying to overthrow the British Government and trying to impose sharia law on the country and unfurling and isis flag and you are known to have associates you remember the group, you e it all together juan thats danas point, isnt it . By that standard, people around looking and saying who qualifies . You have about 23,000 people. Dana that you know of. Greg you know who qualifies in this modern age . Under this ruse of hate speech . You can be guilty of hate speech asy long as you belong to a certain group. And its really, really hard to go after radical muslims because you will be portrayed as going after an aggrieved group. I remember Climate Change there were Climate Change people in the media if you were a Climate Change skeptic, you should be in prison. Those are the same people who would scoff at you for supporting hate filled imams. They would call you a bigot for doing that. When people are enraged over the death of innocent people, they often offer solutions. We have offered lots of solutions. Trump offered solutions. A lot of people do. Whats interesting is there is an entire oppositional side of critics who offer nocr solution. They stop at this what about this or what about that . While condemning the people that come up with the solutions once you come up with a solution, they go my god, if you come up with any kind of tool a ban, vetting, a new law . What about surveillance . Remember, the nypd coming under such attacks by the associated press. Right. What happens is when you come up with somee kind of alternative a some kind of plan, they will accuse you of being a bigot from a perch of their own cowardice, where they offer a false sentiment on twitter. Where they say, what about their rights . They are radical hate speech imams out there who are creating a lot of this juan i dont think theresa may is going to be intimidated by saying shes politically correct. Everybody wants to stop it. The question is one of a constitutional right, your privacy, to free speech, to organize and assemble. And how do we make that with the fact that we are battling these monsters . We dont want to become thehe monsters. Kimberly where are your solutions . Juan why do you say do nothing . Greg im saying do everything. Hes also saying tolerance can make you dead. Juan i dont want to be dead. You havent offered any solution no, you do. You criticize and find fault with everybody that no, its not the case. Thats not dash no. Kimberly, thats not what im what i just gave you a moment ago innt terms of stopping peope from coming back in by denying them their passport to this country. I told you that. I mean, there are other examples as well. The question is how you do it in an effective way not just blanket, loud rhetoric that they are black bad people. Greg thats not what people are saying. Every time you try to offer some kind of constructive thing or its an emotional response, y yu are taking a risk in the society of being called something so what that does is it tamps down the actual debates so people dont want to talk about it. We have to loosen the screws here and allow people to talk about the ideas that maybe are considered dangerous in order to reach. Some kind of decision that isnt dangerous, but we cant stop the debate by going no, we cant talk about that. We should be able to juan i dont see that as reality. Thats everyday in the media. In fact, there is so much beer right now about terror in a place like london that thet question is whether or not people go overboard. No, theres also a fear of people being labeled a bigot. I dont think that. I dont hear that from any public official. 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Jesse sadiq khan made history last year when he became the first muslim as the mayor of london. President trump made a note on twitter that he wasnt to he doesnt appear to be enamored with mr. Trump, either. I dont think we should be talking to the president of the usa in the circumstances where his policies go against everything we stand for, its one of the things when you have a special relationship, its not different, no different than when you have a close made. You stand with them in times of adversity, but you call t them t when they are wrong. W and there are many things by which donald trump is wrong. Kimberly, this london mayor says he doesnt want to roll out the red carpet for President Trump, but some can argue hes been really rolling a lot ofpet out for a these muslim extremists whove just come in and out of country willynilly. Kimberly who died and made him Prime Minister . Jesse just a mayor . Kimberly act mayoral. Listen, if you can complain about him, and he has to take issue with the president because he doesnt like what the president said about, you know, how he handled this. Okay, they have a disagreement about this. Perhaps the president shouldnt have written and tweeted what he did. Perhaps the president misconstrued what mr. Khan was saying. Okay. But nonetheless. What we talk about on the show all the time. Be the bigger person here. If you feel like you did wrong, then say, okay, lets come and Work Together on this. And in fact, work on common goals and interest to fight and combat an enemy that wants to see both of our countries in peril and do great harm and injustice and commit jihad against us. Otherwise there is the petty back and forth. Two wrongs dont make a right. My intentions were good, its just wasting time back and forth on semantics and lets just show by your actions how you behave. Jesse you were rolling your eyes a little bit when kimberly was talking. What was that about, juan . Juan i was listening. Ye im used to that. I really appreciate her thoughts. I was listening, when she said it was the mayor who really, you ffow, was going off. I just thought i didnt say that. President trump attacked the mayor. Kimberly i didnt say that. Re i said, in fact, the comments the president made on twitter that he feels we are not properly evaluating and understanding what he was trying to say. When the president said wait a second, this many people dead and injured but no one should be alarmed . Then people came to the mayors defense and said he wasnt trying to say that, he was trying to instill calm in people during an act of terror. No. He was pe and then people said perhas President Trump misconstrued the mayors comments. He was back and forth in talking about the semantics. Juan theres no semantics. He said dont be alarmed,g theres so many extra police on the street in london. The president responded that the mayor was making excuses and why shouldnt the people be alarmed about the spread of terrorism . Total disconnect. Whats telling to me is that theresa may, the Prime Minister, defended the mayor. Even the acting u. S. Ambassadore to britain spoke out and said the mayor has provided strong leadership in london. This would suggest to me that there is a wide sense even among the british people that they praise their security forces, their mayor, they dont have any trouble. Its President Trump whos picking a fight with our ally. Jesse i think he was finishing a fight. E this guy caused a lot of drama with the travel ban. Hes not innocent in terms of that. Do you think as the first muslim mayor of london, he feels an added pressure to deal with these radical extremists in his own city or does he just take that out of the equation . Dana i saw additional commentary from him, where he was speaking to the radical islamic terrorists saying this will not stand for me. Thats not a terribleth thing. I think this whole dispute is such a shame and completely unnecessary, it would be great for the leaders to come together and say actually, we are all on the same side here. I dont see the president doing that and i dont think the mayor would accept it either. They are playing to their domestic audiences and theres no time for politics here. There are people who are trying to kill us. We should all be on the same page. Jesse former press secretary for Hillary Clinton emphasis on former. He said this about President Trump. The president likes to pick on people of color and set them. Up as foils. If you think of the people he embarks on twitter wars with, you have mayor khan, he likes these foils that set up a narrative that caters to a certain element in his base. That he likes to send dog whistle signals to. Greg he picks on people of color. All color. Every single color. Thats why i dont think i think mayor khan is okay. Youve got to realize, hes not special. Trump does this to everybody. Hes an equal opportunity negative tweeter. I think that trump was wrong to do that. He should not have done that. But you know, the thing is trump can be wrong on these small things. But his response is somewhat closer to the assumptions, fears, and desires of the general public in england and america. He represents the concerned public more than khan does. You can argue that khan is an ostrich. Hes somebody that buries his head in the sand about the bigger issues, about islamic phobia phobia, about dealing with whats already there and dealing with these mosques. He has big problems. Focusing on trump, i get it. But trump is actually may be closer to the street then khan will ever be. Jesse big indictment there. Trump ordered his administration to find the leakers. The feds said they just nabbed one. 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