what do we get for turning the election into theater? looks over forces. commencement speakers say get involved. but they really mean self-involved and that means serving you, not your country. using fake concern, selfishness is the new selflessness and real sacrifice is viewed as suckers' work. this perversion is helped by the media. they give obama a pass on all things because he's like them. he's their selfie. this leads to a white house that shuns responsibility as it clumsily bumps into real world chaos as if it just learned to walk. no wonder vets like toys in the attic, a country no longer needs. they serve us and expect help from those whose ideology mocks them. please, you have been to iraq, afghanistan, kuwait, korea, germany, but you need to get out more. build a solar powered wind mill then we'll talk. so k.g., we have had the atf, the irs, the doj, the nsa, an now the v.a. we're running out of letters. >> if only we could develop a new alphabet to add more scandal tos the roster because that's the only thing that this administration seems to do really, really well. call for an investigation, then sit on the documents, then you have to get an outside nonprofit agency to submit a foia request only to get thousands and thousands of pages of redacted and blacked out. the most quote transparent administration has turned up out to be the cement block administration. >> bob, they're looking at 26 facilities. this isn't going to go away, is it? >> no. by the way, you said the press -- look at the front page of every newspaper. it's all -- >> for how long? >> how long before the -- the republicans didn't anything about it. you can call these scandal, until you have a smoking gun, until you have proven that someone has done something wrong, i'd be careful about calling it a scandal. watergate and iran/contra was a scandal. >> why? 40 people are dead because there was a secret waiting list in arizona. that's not scandalous? >> of course it's scandalous. >> i'm not sure what you're talking about. >> what you're assuming you're saying that obama is responsible for 40 people dead. >> i never said that. he said he'll take responsibility going forward. he was going to fix things. he didn't. you know, he's blamed bush. he's blamed the gop and congress. he said he hadn't heard about it yet until he saw it on the news. he said he didn't have enough money to do certain things. he's blamed everything, what he should be doing, blaming eric shinseki. he's the top -- he's the coach of the team that's losing. you fire the coach. you can't fire the whole team. you have to start over. but i have a suggestion. let's -- instead of pointing fingers let's move the ball forward a little bit. why not take one v.a., test case. start over. privatize the whole thing. bring in your own people. see how it works. whatever you learned in the test case, apply it to all the v.a.'s around the country. i'm not saying change the v.a., but use that as a test case. >> what works you stick with, what doesn't. bob, bottom line, obama and the administration knew about this in 2008. what have you done for me lately? >> they knew about the overburden of the v.a. not about phoenix. >> well, most of the criticism reflects on the right being partisan no matter what? it's another attack on obama. >> in liberalism. right? if there's anything to be learned, big government fates and conservatism wins. that should be the message. every time you have government delivering a service from the post office to the dmv to the v.a., people who work in monopolies are not incentivized to succeed. they deliver crappie service, long lines, not a lot of choice. i have held up british headlines. the white house knows this. the one who used to head up for the centers for medicare and medicaid said he loves the nhs in the u.k. this is what it is and it should put to rest in this v.a. scandal or push for big government -- the single payer. this is single payer. it's just like medicaid and it doesn't work. you know what they should do? test case isn't bad. maybe phoenix is a good place to start. they should model it after the charter school system. allow the veterans that are on the waiting lists to use a voucher and go to another hospital or pick three different hospitals to see how it works. it took hurricane katrina to sweep in and destroy new orleans. now, they brought in the charter school system, sensational results for those students. we owe that to our veterans. >> you're not saying that we need a hurricane. >> no, maybe a fig ative hurricane. >> does the department of agriculture fail? does the highway system fail? i mean, where are you talking about failure? everybody is ready to jump on the government for everything. you want to listen -- the way you listen to you people, you might as well do away with government altogether. >> i'm for that. except for the military and the roads. >> that's what you want to do. >> no, they don't defend our country. i want to go to this sound on tape. but president obama when he's asked about shinseki whether he's offered his resignation, roll. >> has secretary shinseki offered to resign and if he's not to blame, who is? >> rick shinseki serves this country because he cares deeply about veterans and he cares deeply about the mission. and i know that rick's attitude, if he does not think he can do a good job on this, if he thinks he's let our veterans down then i'm sure he's not going to be interested in continuing to serve. >> so k.g., this was an interesting response because he's saying that i would never ask him to resign. if he feels he's not doing a good job, he would go. kind of a wishy-washy to be polite -- a wishy washy answer. >> yeah, because you expect the president of the united states to come up with an idea, and he's outraged and he's taking a pass. if shinseki is not serving the veterans then he should step down. i think it was very clear during the hears that this four-star general has no intention of stepping down and what you heard from this conversation is the commander in chief has no intention of asking him to relieve his position. so where are we now? >> i think he's a four-star. is petraeus a four-star general? whatever. he wasn't willing to see shinseki go until he saw some evidence. here's a guy that has a lot of soldiers who have reported to him. he knows a lot about the v.a. he says they get excellent treatment. that's enough for me. more than from you guys. >> bob, i have to tell you, every time we do this topic, you go home, you go to twitter, go to facebook. the letters that you get from just every day soldiers, nothing good to say about their treatment at the v.a. they go there and they're afraid that they're going to get worse. i have worked with people who tell me that the v.a. is terrible. so a lot -- i guess -- i mean, i'm not a big fan of anecdotal evidence, but that isn't fun. >> you'll hear story after story after story. >> yeah. >> and most veterans like the v.a. until they get sick. everyone loves free health care until they have to stand in line and wait to get a doctor's appointment. the other thing with the v.a., they have the worst prescription drug plan because they have no competition. bob, you say that the system is great, it works. >> i didn't say it's great. i said -- >> you said it was good enough for you. it's okay, it's good for you. 40 are dead so far. we don't know how many are going to die on the waiting lists. >> how many people are dead in the premarket hospital system -- >> we went from that, now we have something like 26 different states are talking about secret waiting lists. >> all the whistle-blowers are coming forward. >> how many people die in the hospitals in the free market system? >> i don't know. >> i think you'd rather be in a free market hospital. >> no, i wouldn't. >> wait. >> i'd take a v.a. hospital over a free market hospital any day. >> we should try that. >> what about the doctors that -- wait, what about the doctors you have praised on the different illnesses and different things, you said how great they are. >> there are a lot of committed and good doctors at the v.a. let's not throw out the baby with the bath water, because you have this incident at arizona and other facilities -- >> i agree with you. a lot of great people work at the v.a. you can't malign over -- when you look at 26 places that's endemic. let's move to the second one. obama said he won't tolerate misconduct or not. >> i hear allegations of misconduct, any misconduct, whether it's allegations of v.a. staff covering up long wait times or cooking the books, i will not stand for it. not as commander in chief. but also not as an american. none of us should. so if these allegations prove to be true, it is dishonorable. it is disgraceful and i will not tolerate it, period. >> can i take this one? >> sure. >> okay. fine. i will not tolerate it, i won't stand for it, but you stopped short. or else what? or who's going to get fired? is anyone going to get fired? i listened to the whole press conference. he never said that. >> yeah. >> he never said, heads will roll, these people will be fired. they'll be removed. by the way, wait till we find out how many people are stealing money from the v.a. wait till we find out how many people are purchasing managers and what not. and they're lining their own pockets. this thing is just beginning to break open, bob. you can't say it's a few isolated -- >> you're not suggesting that obama knew? >> i'm suggesting if you spend $154 billion, there's a lot of waste, fraud and abuse. >> but the taxpayers bailed out your buddies on wall street. >> that's called deflection. >> i'm sure the solution is throw more money at the problem which won't fix it. i don't think eric shinseki is the problem here. i don't. i think if you make him resign and sort of the predictable republican thing to say he should step down, you'll replace him with somebody not as decorated. >> he's a good man. he's a disabled veteran. >> he's not to be equated with kathleen sebelius. but something has to be done. but what bothers me about president obama he stands up at the podium, how many days after this story? feeling pressure because we're coming on memorial day and he pretends like he's not a part of the government. right? like he criticizes the government and he gets really angry. but he is the government. and greg, even if he's the smartest president in the world, and he has magical powers, he can't even fix this. it doesn't matter who he fires or who he hires. the problem is too huge that right now, there are -- the only answer i say is to put some competition in the v.a. >> but what's scary, what if there was no growing outrage, because generally, vets by their nature don't complain. they're too modest to complain. if people like us aren't yelling, would he even respond? >> that's the point. he already knew about this to begin with, if we're supposed to be giving the veterans the best they have, because they have earned this right to have excellent medicare and health care, right? this is failure on the part of the united states to deliver this to them. the president should have made that an utmost priority, especially the issue was highlighted. they chose not to. hold on, bob. so this feigned outrage right now is disheartening. he can say the platitudes that he's upset about it, but he's not doing anything to fix it. >> this goes back to ronald reagan and george bush, the v.a. has been in trouble -- >> do you know how many veterans will go to the v.a. for just their prescriptions and go to another doctor to get treatment? >> i thought andrea said they're lousy prescriptions. >> but they're cheap. go to the v.a., go the dock toer at another -- >> or get the pain meds. >> they can't find good doctors at the v.a.? >> i'm saying that they're not the cream of the crop. by far. i'm sorry. >> no, there are good doctors, but any time you take -- disinvent size people to work hard, you get slower service and you add more people because of the towards you brought up, there's no incentive to perform. >> the vast people of people working at the v.a. perform exceptionally well. >> i think doctors are frustrated by it too. and many of the reports detail -- for example, a cardiologist will see two patients a day and in private practice eight patients a day. >> this goes back a long way, but the difference here, bob, that the media is different. the media is no longer functioning as the watchdog the way it used to, back then, which enables things to fester, things like benghazi and the irs because they don't want to tick off president obama. this grows like black mold. i think it's been around. but i think it's worse because the media is no longer watching. >> i still have black mold in my bathroom. >> that's so gross. >> thank you for that. >> all right. >> what else is in your apartment? >> not surprised. >> more to come on the v.a. nightmare and why we should be concerned over the health care mess. you should love this, bob. it's not obamacare. >> oh, it will be great. ♪ [ male announcer ] since we began, mercedes-benz has pioneered many breakthroughs. ♪ breakthroughs in design... breakthroughs in safety... in engineering... and technology. and now our latest creation breaks one more barrier. presenting the cla. starting at $29,900. ♪ ♪ when president obama finally addressed the v.a. scandal earlier he pointed out how overloaded the health care system is for the veterans. >> there are 85 million appointments scheduled among veterans during the course of a year. that's a lot of appointments. that means we have to have a system that is built that is able to take the folks in in a smooth fashion, they know what to expect. that's it reliable. >> but if the government can't handle their appointments, how can we expect for it to handle the rest of americans when obamacare sets in. here's rush limbaugh. bob's favorite. >> there's rampant income me tense here and inability to run the medical treatment of veterans affairs system. we have to find a way to convince people that this obamacare can't work and that everybody is headed for a similar potential as these deaths in the v.a. here is a microcosm of what obamacare is going to be when fully implemented. >> isn't that, kimberly, today, when you finally heard the president speak he wasn't going after the system -- the actual v.a. system and i why it could be failing. he started to take about shinseki and what a good man he was and feigned outrage, but didn't get to what the v.a. is or was, which is single payer. >> there's the problem. if he shines a light on that, we have some, you know, illumination there, then you'll see this is really what the rest of you all are going to get. one big fat v.a. system in the form of obamacare. but we can't show case it, because it doesn't work. so they have failed to be able to adequately care for the veterans that desperately need this help and have earned it and we need to trust him with the tax payer dollars to take over all the health care systems. that to me doesn't seem like a reward put in the right place, given the failure we have seen. >> you went down the list and you named the former presidents that have presided over the v.a. but none of those presidents have reformed one-third of our economy with something like obamacare which actually is some kind of single payer, horrible hybrid. >> you know what this block is, you're equating obamacare with the v.a. it's owned and operated by the government, it is government operated health care. obamacare has not -- not a single hospital will be owned by the government. >> bob, their government mandated plans it's a hybrid. >> because it gives you a nice little thing to talk about in this block. nice to see rush limbaugh, we haven't seen him on the air in three hours. come on. >> you know what the problem is with president obama using the 85 million visits which is accurate. there's the enroll lees in the system, that means 13 visits per vet per year. let's just do straight numbers. president obama wanted to insure 40 million new people under obamacare. if you add -- do the same math, 13 per visit, per enrollee per year, you're talking 585 million visit, half a billion visits. if people are dying, how many people are going to die in obamacare? do the math. it will be about 500 people per year that are going to die waiting -- apples to apples. 500 people will die under obamacare. are you okay with that? >> this will take care of it, right? >> greg, there's 2.9 million people waiting on waiting lists in the u.k. which does have single payer. obamacare is not single payer. >> got to be close. >> medicaid, bob, which is part of obamacare we talked about it here, greg, hundreds of thousands of people are signing up for medicaid under obamacare, very similar to the v.a. >> i don't think you need to look at the v.a. to predict how badly obamacare will work. all you have to look at is obamacare. >> right. >> it was the worst rollout since the "titanic." and there wasn't even an iceberg. obamacare website didn't hit anything and it still imploded. there was no iceberg. the problem with this, it's a principle that bob and i will always disagree on, but i firmly believe that bureaucracy cannot do business. the demand overwhelms supply in bureaucracy. like asking a carrot to sing opera. >> doesn't happen. >> this not a bureaucracy in obamacare. it's simply a system using the free market enterprise. free market hospital -- >> you say that. these are government mandated plans with government mandated -- >> so what? >> he doesn't care. >> what does that to do with the doctors in the hospital you're taking about? >> it's a hybrid. >> don't get people to believe that this obamacare has anything to do with v.a. >> under obamacare, do you think people have to wait for treatments? >> no. i think people have to wait in emergency rooms. people who do not have insurance. i think obamacare -- you're worried about it, obamacare is starting to work now. it's working well. >> how can you defend government run health care after this v.a. scandal? >> he's bob beckel. >> because it's a small percentage of the veterans administration. i'm not going to defend something that's apples and oranges. you talk about insurance that's mandated, which should be because insurance companies got away with doing everybody on the cheap and going to the free enterprise system you're talking about. >> but bob, the hospitals have to be paid by somebody. >> right. >> oh, yeah, i'm sure they do. >> that's where obamacare comes in. they'll go back to the policyholders. hey, who is paying? well, government is going to pay. if they don't pay, hospitals will say, i'm not taking obamacare anymore. i'm going private. >> because they won't do charity, right? why would they do that if they're not going to stay in the system and work as a doctor for free in some kind of like failed enterprise. they're not going to do it. they don't have to. >> -- because of health care? >> there's one fair comparison you can make between the v.a. and obamacare and that is the way the incompetence endures because it's protected by people who aren't using it. so there are proponents of obamacare who oddly enough aren't users. the celebrities. then there are people like bob who say i love the v.a. you don't go to the v.a. >> i use obamacare and i got a colinostmy today. >> oh. >> fasten your seat belts, who wants republicans to leave america, we have a senator who thinks ronald reagan is to blame for the collapse of the middle class and oh, the ear wax eating congressman who says communism works. don't go away. honestly, the off-season isn't really off for me. i've got a lot to do. that's why i got my surface. it's great for watching game film and drawing up plays. it's got onenote, so i can stay on top of my to-do list, whi