0 now you're nervous. 22. here it comes. ready? 29. and... where we mean business and say our prayers. >> kimberly: hello. i'm kimberly guilfoyle with bob beckel, eric bolling, dana perino, brian kilmeade. it's 5:00 in new york city. this is "the five." ♪ ♪ >> kimberly: some people call it the war on christmas but tonight the focus is on every american's right to freedom of expression and freedom of religion. it doesn't matter if you're christian, jewish or of no faith at all. in 2019 and right now the christians who are under siege by government officials and antireligion groups who think christmas and christianity have no business in the public arena. exhibit no. 1. in kansas, the city of buehler has been forced to remove the cross from the city seal after an atheist group complained. exhibit no. two, north carolina, at college, students were told they couldn't sell christmas trees if they were called christmas trees. they wanted to call them holiday trees until the school finally caved. and finally, in rhode island, exhibit no. three. lincoln chaffee is not backing down. the liberal governor refuses to call a christmas tree a christmas tree. again, he wanted holiday tree and they didn't want a holiday lighting this year and kayed after enormous pressure. this is turn of play. for year the liberals said the right, the conservatives are against the freedom of expression. we're seeing quite the contrary at play. the legal people of this world fears to use taxpayer money to defend the right to show the cross. that has everybody cave. in this town of 1350 people say all right, we'll take it off. too expense i to fight. we need people to donate their legalese in there or send money to get a hometown lawyer to take them on. >> bob: i'm a christian. and to indict all liberals saying all liberals are response seasonable ridiculous. democrat is what you are here to defend. >> bob: christmas tree sales, it ought to be a christmas tree. that is what it is. if you want a minorra , put it up against to the tree and light it. >> kimberly: why do they do it, bob? >> bob: buhler there is a distinction. this is a city that takes federal, state and local monies. and when you have a cross on your -- despite the history of it. menonites were persecuted and it goes there,be that draws the line between church and state. >> eric: freedom from religion picks out different with me to north carolina? are you up to it? >> bob: yes. >> kimberly: let's discuss it. piedmont college. oh, no, you didn't call them christmas trees. you better call them holiday trees or they're out. bob? >> bob: it's ridiculous. particularly because this group was raising money for children in poverty. >> dana: it's terrible. >> bob: i don't get it. they walked it back because they got bad publicity. this is the thing that allows right wingers to blame evening on the left wingers on this stuff. stop doing it number one. number two, this is a christmas tree. get it? christmas tree. let them sell it. >> dana: the white house over the weekend, the obama accepted the christmas tree when it arrived and being put up in the blue room today. >> eric: christmas tree? >> dana: it is. >> eric: hold on. hold on. let's use your example of taking federal, state -- the white house is built with our money. >> bob: i have no problem -- >> eric: should obama call at it holiday tree? >> bob: i have no problem with doing things like a christmas tree in the white house or naytivety scene. no problem. i just said in this one case it's different. >> brian: as a group, as "the five," i'm not a member. >> bob: you are. >> brian: i'm filling in for greg. i would say we should ban together and promise never to attend a western piedmont game, scrimmage or the -- >> bob: i got to give up my season tickets. >> brian: the fact is the students want to not do it. let's not go there. >> kimberly: bob, another one for you. >> brian: make the sacrifice. stand for something. >> kimberly: go to rhode island now. another hot story that people are talking about, because have you ever been to a you know how much heat i took about that? >> brian: from who? >> bob: everybody. >> eric: he is treasonous. >> kimberly: they could have sought the death penalty but he did not. he has support. the defense plans to call 48 witnesses on his behalf. they feel he should be free, he is political prisoner. complained about his confinement and saying it's illegal punishment. >> bob: imagine him on the front line defending you? look at him. >> brian: i know. >> bob: ask yourself this question. would you feel good about this guy on the front lines? >> brian: he has done more damage on the zarate than the national security -- al-zawahiri to the national security. we cannot be trusted. state department, international causes, they don't forgive us from this because we let a nobody down load information. >> eric: the left says bradley manning should be protected under free speech and christmas trees should not. >> bob: the left? i'm on the left. >> kimberly: pick your bedfellows, beckel. >> kimberly: wow! coming up, have you seen the trailer for the upcoming movie about killing bin laden? >> the whole world is going to want in on this. >> kimberly: the movie looks great but there are questions about whether the obama administration allowed the filmmakers access to classified documents. you are going to hear from behind the movie when we come back. stay with us. ♪ ♪