overseas to indonesia, and she came back in his place for a big summit, and that's where she reminded voters that she's one sandbag away from the top job. >> do you feel prepared for that possibility, has serving vice-president prepared you for serving for that job. >> yes., joe biden is going to be fine so that is not going to come to fruition. but let usus a also understand every vice-president, every vice-president understands that when they take the oath, that they must be very clear about ib the responsibility they may have to take over the job of being president. i am no different. >> greg: oh, yes, you are. but before she a sends the throne kamala still has to play the game and butter up her boss. >> our president has been an extraordinary leader who has accomplished things that rd previous presidentins hoped and dreamed and promised they wouldo do andpe did not achieve. i see how his ability to understand the issues and weave through complication issues on behalf oicf the american people have played out. >> greg: who is she talking about? and if you dare get in her way there will be hell to pay. kamala's allies are warning gavin newsom to stay away from a presidential run or they're tary an ad feather him as a racist.ti won strategist saying quote when you have people trying to test the waters thehe party rose up d made it clear to those du individuals, who areal mostly white men, that to disrespect si the vice-president would not be well b received by women and people of color within the party. it got a little bit of a smack in thein face.th harold, this is amazing. by the way, great to see you ate the table. hope the u.s. open is treating you well >> harold: thank you. >> greg: you got a tan i can see >> harold: thank you. >> greg: sito it's going to be racist to pick gavin over kamala but not racist to keep supporting the oldest white dude on earth.the how do you make sense of this? >> harold: good to be back. couple things. i'm not surprised what she would say what she said about being s vice-president and being ready to step in. that's what vice-presidents do.e i don't know of any vice-president in thp e historyn the country that would not say y that. two, if for some reason joe biden doesif not run, and vice-president harris decides ts run, i think she would expect, t has to expect to have a number of competitors, because people o believe this race here would position to serve 4-8 years especially president trump, there's belief on the democrat side he can be defeated. so you would have a competitive marketplace which i don't think should surprise icanyone. i take issue, i know karen finney, i like her a lot. i don't think it's racist or sexiste to say that someone ele believes they have the goods and they have the ability to speak m to theer american people meet tm where they are and help them rise to a different point just e because they are a a white male or hispanic male or whatever, they have to go before the rt voters f, i understand there mao be hurt feeling on the part of some in the party that the vice-president may not be the e front runner if something like this was to happen, i think t president hibiden's going to ru for reelection but i'm not one to always reduce things to race and i think this is one of thos moments where we ought to show some restraint. >> greg: never. judg ge you know how the vp is supposed tw o be like america's insurance policy. actually she's joe's insurance l policy. right? isn't that hilarious? >> judge jeanine: yeah. >> greg: like he has to stay in because she can't be president. >> judge jeanine: everyone e knows, i mean, why would you impeach joe biden.y wo look at what you get. but what i think is so fascinating is, when she says that, you know, she can tackle the presidency, she's up to it, i e mean, how can she do that wn she has no apparent interest ine anything she'snt doing. she's the border czar, she's been the boarder czar and she t hasn't beehen to the border in 3 days. she had one trip there.re an.d according to this new book there's a part of it that says that she doesn't want to work ok women's issues or anything o havingr to do with race. >> greg: oh, i like her now. >> judge jeanine: but i think, you know what? i think people want honesty. when you get up there and you say i've watched joe biden and j he is in a position where he can handle things and resolve them in a way where no one else can, or in a way that no one else can,wa the guy needs a cheat sht to figure out when to stand up, when ttoo sit down, when to leao he was at the awards ceremony, when was it? yesterday? he left as soon -- by the way without his mask, because he puts it on the war veteran and he just leaves in the middle of it. you know, and let me just say one thing about gavin newsom. i mean, you know, identity politics only goes a certain way -- to a certain length. when they start playing identit politics, that she is entitled because she she is that person. to disrespect someone you have to have respect for them in the first instance and i'm not so sure she has that. >> greg: palha ht.. what do you make of all this i dana. this is what happens with identity politics you end up making bad choices and the othee choices are kept out. >> dana: when you look at some of the polling from democrats from kamala harris, that's what i would focus on because she's not going to win over republicans she knows that, they do need to win over independents yes but she's in a position of having to convince democrats t that she could do do it. that's actually a harder thing.h it's alsino getting very late f any other democrat to stand up a national campaign that's other than the vice-president. so i think if there was a target of opportunity for somebody like gavin newsom or whoever might be at this table to take a shot, that window is closing quite rapidly. watching her at this event, a okay, fine, that's great. whatever. it's fine. but compare that to what you'll see this weekend. joe biden leaves for india tomorrowth. it's a big meeting that's sort of -- she's at -- sort of the pre meeting she's at and so you'll see his interactions with those leaders compared and will he be in a max? i don't know. the other thine g about this notion that democrats would send a shot to gavin newsom saying don't you dare. do you remember, go back in the way back machine with me, in 2008, the late bill richardson, former governor and somebody who worked at the un for bill clinton he made a decision to endorse barack obama over hillary clinton even though he was uga real good -- a major clinton loyalist, partly because he wanted to win. and he thought that the way that they could win was with obama, o turns out he was right. >> greg: there you go.>> >> dana: little history lesson. >> greg: wow. see. jesse do you have any history en lessons. >> jesse: i wonder do you have to weay d r that funny shirt? sometimes they make you.hi that's why joe didn't go. he didn't want to wear the funny shirt. >> greg: he', s going to india though. >> jesse: he doesn't havirt.e t wear a funny shirt. >> greg: he'll have to wear a head dress, bring a peace pipe. >> jesse: no. do you know how sometimes when you have to do your eye test at the doctor and they go to the lower level. >> dana: yeah? >> jesse: anndd you start going? t? that's how kamala talks. she's just guessing and leaving wide gaps between statements.st the answer that she gave on the vice-president being able to take over the presidency i didn't think was good, harold. here's why. there's extra sensitivity to th. question because he's the oldest president we've ever had. so she's not like all the other past vice-presidents. so there's extra scrutiny on her and that answer, and that answer she showed way too much leg. you just say joe's healthy, i don't even consider it a possibility.th that's it: and now we're doing nga segment on it because she'si coming for theng throne. gavin newsome is probably going to challenge if something happens to joe, and doesn't matter about raclee or gender, e money is going to tell you who's the nominee. that's it. people don't care, you'll see where the money goes. visually to see her strut through th se pageantry was the first time i could actually imagine her as president. and i just can't take her seriously. knowing all the ridiculous things she said, despite the -- pomp and circumstance and the great choreography, i'm just reminded ohaf the fact that she loves venn diagrams and that she hasn't been to europe either. i just can't get that out of my head. you know, yothu had that quote from the book by ford, the judge said, said she doesn't want to do anything about race or gender. then shein said, but i want a n majority of my staff to be african-american and female.an then she quit her border czar job. it just doesn't give you a lot of confidence. >> greg: she didn't want to be around minorities. >> jesse: is that your interpretation? >> greg: i'm just hypothesizing, that's what i heard on the street. >> from your sources. >> greg: yes. >> judge jeanine: mayb: e it's j reciprocal becauseea they're al quitting >> harold: if she does run because circumstance present itself she'll have to win a primary. >> jesse: more than one map manuel, she would have to win the democratic primary but she will be a stronger candidate if shgee has to do it and if i wer her team i would welcome that challengome because to win overw republicans shine would have to show-this is hypothetical joe biden is going te o bebi the to nominee. be >> greg: you're crazy. >> judge jeanine: what's interesting is that she didn't laugh her way through that answer about being vice-president. she didn't s giggle she always giggles. she's changing >> harold: progress. >> greg: do you remember wheo n everything was about trump abo lying? he just lieso analyze analyze. have you ever seen that much lying. inn we just -- i mean, weren't they supposed to be better than this? i mean that was minutes, pure minutes ever lyingat there with straight face. straight ahead, some breaking news, looks like hunter biden ih about to get indicted. ♪d. ♪ to duckduckgo on all your devie duckduckgo comes with a built n engine like google, but it's pi and doesn't spy on your searchs and duckduckgo lets you browse like chrome, but it blocks cooi and creepy ads that follow youa from google and other companie. and there's no catch, it's fre. we make money from ads, but they don't follow you aroud join the millions of people taking back their privacy by downloading duckduckgo on all your devices today. ♪ ♪ >> dana: breaking news for hunter biden's legal battles, special counsel david weiss telling the in charge of the first son's case he plans to indict him on on september 29t the felony gun charge on the heels of the sweetheart plea deal meant to save the first son from going to prison.g and while hunter's legal problems mount some of the press seem to be looking the other l way. national post national columnist snapping and walking outs of an interview after getting pressed on things 2018 hunter text message. >> what do you take from the text message to his adult daughter, hunter text, i have te give 50% of my income to pop. >> i have no idea what that means. i don't. i have d no idea what that mean >> well, it's -- >>do i know circumstantial evidence. >> well what could it be. >>idea i have no idea. i don't know. >> has anybody asked her? >> i don't know.ed i don't know. so i have nothing else h>> i to about dit. >> yeah but you say there's no evidence but there's a text messag e where he says i give pop 50% of my money. that's evidence. >> okay. well wha t do you -- okay, fine, fine.de it's evidence. i feel like you want me to leave, walk out in the middle of this. >> you can go. >> all right. >> is this the standard really? this is the way the washington post handles the way people ng disagree with them. >> whes?n i agree to be on 45 minutes and then i get on for an hour and 1ho5 after a while i g. >>dana: legal thing in a minute but having watched that again greg i have to say i can understand walking out of an interview if you were insulted or disrespected but not because you were presented with a fact. >> greg: not because you were getting your>> butted royally kicked. that was like mike tyson pummeling a koala baby and i don't endorse that.t what you you saw there, what was amazing was the ultimate air against of an elite journalist inelit philip bump. how dare you y ask me. i'jom a journalist. how dare you ask me for facts, how dare youdare ask me to just my lacing reporting.al he's been on journalism welfare, he's been wrong more than homer simpson's gotten wrong. and thms he democrats fallen inn excuse, i'll use a jesse analogy. sure ia go to a strip club but don't utcheat.er that's how they talk about hunter. hunter's badan but trump is wor anhis d they've been dealing th for years. like sam harris do you remember what har he said? >> dana: i can't remember. >> greg: he said if hunter literally had murdered children in his basement he wouldn't care because trump is worse. and so what you're seeing there is another admission of derangement, that they cannot admit, they cannot -- bump is so wrong he had nowhere to go except to leave. it's quite humerus. >> dana: it also showsre jesse that this question really hasn't been presented outside of conservative media. >> jesse: so you have to have, guess muscle tone if you are going to go up with someone with an opposing ideology. we have jessica, we have harold so we have to fight over facts. i have to go up against people that ask me about january 6th, that ask me about all of the trump trials. i have to defend everything. these people like bump, they mp don't have to do anything and they've never even been presented with a challenge. so they get up there and they're limp, you know like you spar at a gym you've never sparred before can you can't go five ro can't even go half a round. that's what happens. he's not politically athletic enough and doesn't have the chops to answer the smoking gun document that's one of the biggest smoking gu n documents that we've seen from the laptop. the laptop which has been la authenticated by his boss at the washington post. this guy's supposed to be one of the top journalists at the post and he has no idea. and honestly he doesn't even care. >> greg: no. >> jesse: has anybody asked?o id i don't know. what are a you asking me for? oh, i don't know, because it's your job to ask the question. it gives me -- i've watched it 17 times. >> greg: yes.ou >> can i ask you how it felt. >> it felt? -- >> can't do it. >> as your lawyer and friend he's not going to answer. >> dana: judge, on the philip bump interview or the indictmenn that could be coming before september 29th. >> judge jeanine: well, first oe all, i got a copy of the decision from the court. it really is a status report. and they say that, given the request or the attempt to guaranty a speedy trial, that anything that's going to be an filed has to be filed by september 29th. and now the united states attorney special counsel david weiss ista apparently indicatin he will indict hunter biden by september 29th. so the question is, what is he going to indiceptet him on? all indications are they're going to indict him on the gun charge. here's the him problem, all rig? and this is just me talking. the possibility of indicting him on a gun charge, which is think is appropriate, took them five yeariss to get to a plea agreement, and now they can indict him iean 30 days. what does that tell you about the legitimacy of david wise and his investigation. but more important is the fact that there is a diversion agreement between the united states attorney and hunter biden's lawyer. i think it's abby lowell.th and i said before, they don't get any smarter than abby lowell. as a prosecutor, if i have a diversion agreement with a defendant and e a defense re attorneyem, it's between me and the defensee attorney. if i have a plea deal, i need court's permission. but as a diversion agreement, a it's me and the defendant sayin' we're goins g to work this out. i guaranty we're going to see legal argument on whether or not, if and when that indictment comes out, that indictment can, in fact, supercede the diversion agreement. i'm not so sure that it can. because you don't need the so s court's approval to enter a diversion t agreement, and they' alreadt y acted upon it and, in factag, they've filed with the court that, indeed, we have been complying with the conditions of the diversion agreement of the gun charge.ag don't get me wrong, the guy should have been indicted five years ago as quickly as they can do it now. but i think they're in a little bit of legal hot water here. >> dana: what happens or what changes, harold, if there is an indictment of hunter biden on a gun recharge? >> jesse: i thinisk an indictmeg on any charge is serious. first of an all, i think the ju, what she just said i think is really really important to amplify. the diversion ifagreement, abby lowell has already indicated thatt that's going to be an ofd of defense that he will put l forward very soon, i assume in a public proceeding.a it leads me to believe judge that there might be something else. >> judge jeanine: yeah. >> jesse: that this could be either a new charge, a new gun r charge or some other new charges. because i don't know how you get around -- the judge explained in sussinowg sinkly and compelling don't know how youhat. get arou that. it seems to me to be foolish to bring a set of charges the judge would say you can't do because you have this agreement.ou let me say a couple other things. first, i've always said president lwbiden,ay two questi if hide used his official offic to help his son and/or receive benefit for something that his son was doing, that's a problemt an'sd i think a lot of democrat republicans, independents alike would say wso. two, this guy philip bump behaved like a partisan politician in thised interview.n i'm a believer that we have to have journalists on all sides ask very, very tough questions. but when you're asked a question as a journalist that upends a theory that you may have been promoting, you can't walk out.in g,a politician can walk out buti journalist can't walk out so it wapos disappointing and disturbg that. i know mr. comer and others in the congress are asking for, i believe mr. weiss and others to come beforbee the committee and come and testify as to what happened. i hope the ty could show a litt restraint because we are and intoing ourselves, i think, closer and closer to finding out t exactly what's happened and if, indeed legal charges should be brought. i think the politics in it willr do nothing but aggravate both sides and make it more difficult to get to the bottom of this. i'm interested in the truth here and if the truth is uncomfortable fos r me and my party so be it, if it's not so be it. we can't get there unless we have the justice department and others doing this. >> judge jeanine: but it is th o politics that has brought us tht truth of allhe of this and not e justice department. >> jesse: it was the judge. >> judge jeanine: in this casep it was the judge but all of the information we're getting about th.e failure to interrogate hunter biden because he got a heads-up, all this stuff about s kate benning field giving answers to eric for an interview for the new york times we're not talking about favoritism we're talking abou t collusion between us the white house and hunter biden and his parties. >> jesse: i don't disagree. >> judge jeanine: that ought to be investigated. >> jesse: but it was the judicial branch that did this. when those two parties came beforeen t them and said you guo not havedo a meeting of the min on what this is about, that's what wei exploded all this. >> jesse: so why did d