Ahead. The president s latest threat to use his power to get involved with the Justice Department. News is breaking now. Lets get to it. From washington. Rarely have we had so many to report on different fronts from the white house. First, President Trumps lawyer, rudy guliani giving details of what he thinks a facetoface meeting with the president and Robert Mueller would look like and sound like. The former new york city mayor told robert costa this afternoon and john roberts just confirmed, he would want the interview to be a maximum of two to three hour and around a narrow set of questions. Not as broad as the 49 question list that somebody floated two nights ago. He made those comments after fox news confirmed that the white house later that ty cobb is leaving. He will no longer deal with the russia investigation. Officially, hes retiring at the end of the month. Theres more reporting to be done on this. In his place, emmett flood, an attorney that represented president bill clinton during his impeachment trial. Emmett flood is expected to take a less cooperative approach with the special counsel. In another Big Development today, President Trump is threatening to use his powers as commanderinchief to get involved in the Justice Department. Its the second time in less than a week that President Trump has said he may step in on Justice Department business. The president has not been she spic about what exactly he might do. On twitter this morning, President Trump blasted what he called the Justice Departments rigged system. He tweeted there was no collusion, its a hoax and theres no obstruction of justice. That is a setup and trap. What there is is negotiations going on with north korea over nuclear war, negotiations going on with china over trade deficits, negotiations on nafta and more. Witch hunt. This comes after President Trumps former lead attorney john dowd confirmed to fox news that the special counsel, Robert Mueller, raised the idea of a subpoena for the president to testify in front of a grand jury. The Washington Post broke that story last night. Dowd now tells fox news that mueller mentioned the subpoena during a meeting last month while attorneys were discussing terms of a possible interview. A week after that, the special counsel apparently gave President Trumps lawyers a list of dozens of questions for President Trump. Mueller, of course, is looking into moscows meddling in the 2016 president ial election, possible collusion and whether the president obstructed justice. The president has said there was no collusion and no obstruction. Headline recap. One lawyer out, another lawyer in. Goodlines for an interview with the president. A special counsel threat to subpoena the president and a president ial threat to alter the investigati investigation. John roberts is on the north lawn of the white house. Just got off the phone. I did, with rudy guliani. Hes the president s lead liaison with the office of the special counsel. I had to hang up with him so i could visit with you. Guliani is not certain about whether the president will sit down for an interview with mueller telling me, my position isnt determined yet. I keep an open mind. We had a good interchange with the special counsel. I respect them. Im concerned, are they objective about the president , do they have an open mind that he could be telling the truth and comey lying. If they have an open mind, an interview is something we would consider. I asked him about the 49 or 52 questions in the list i received, his opinion of him. He said its encouraging that they have no case. Very discouraging that they appear to want to trap him into perjury. I asked him of the length of interview. He said somewhere in the neighborhood of two to three hours. Certainly were not going to sit down for 12 hours and then he would want the scope of the questions paired down to just their very basic saying he would want the questions in advance, saying they would have to be about relevant topics, meaning russia, which may not be relevant any longer, the exmayor says, obstruction of justice has to do with the comey firing. The rest is tangential. We would want a commitment that they could do this before the end of the summer so it doesnt drag on. Quoting the mayor here, further imperil the future of the nation. I asked when Something Like this would happen, the mayor said because the president is involved in negotiations with north korea for a summit there, likely wouldnt happen probably until the beginning of the summer. Negotiations continue. Now to some of the other news in terms of the turnover here at the white house. Ty cobb, the president s counsel, being replaced by emmet flood. Lets put up a statement from Sarah Huckabee sanders saying for several weeks, ty cobb has been discussing his retirement. Last week he let chief of staff kelly know that he would retire at the end of the month. Emmet flood clerked for justice antonin scalia. He was one of president clintons impeachment lawyers. He represented dick cheney, advised bob mcdonald and was a member of the bush administration. Sarah Huckabee Sanders saying emmet flood will represent the president and the administration against the russia witch hunt. I asked rudy guliani about it. He didnt have much to say about flood. He told the Washington Post that the president wanted somebody more aggressive than ty cobb. Ty will be staying until the end of may and flood comes in. Theres some talk that he could be a replacement for don mcgann. Shepard since were talking about lawyers, former attorney, john dowd, you had a conversation with him as well. I did. He confirmed the early meetings in march when they negotiated with Robert Mueller over the interview of the president by the special counsel in which mueller said, you know, if you dont agree to a voluntary interview, we can issue a subpoena and haul him before a grand jury. To which john dowd said this isnt some game. Youre screwing with the work of the president of the United States. A week later, james quarrels had a conversation with the president s legal team, gave him a list of 49, 42 questions that mueller would like to ask the president. Alan dershowitz said in no way shape or form should the president sit down. They would have another option. I would submit questions and answers in writing based on article 2 of the conversation. He said look, ive answered the question. Why are they trying to bring me into a grand jury. This interferes with my right to govern and he would be in a better position politically and legally if he were to provide answers to the questions. So i asked rudy guliani this afternoon, the 49, 52 questions, do you believe those represent or look like a perjury trap . He said we all do. The questions almost cry out. They dont have a case. Theyre desperate. They want to make a case. Look how few questions, if any, about russia. Theyve lost that one. Now theyre falling back to obstruction. So that really has the hinke up on the president s legal team, shep. They may agree to sit down. This is the best way to do it as opposed to getting a subpoena from Robert Mueller. But that force is still a long way from getting out of the barn. Shepard a new and aggressive public face on this. Word from the president tweeting, john, that he might use his president ial powers to get involved with this. What does that mean . Well, i dont know if it would be get involved with this. He did say in recent days, he thinks the Justice Department is going after the wrong people and letting the right people skate and if that continues to happen, he may get involved. The latest tweet appears to be in reference to the document dema demand. The president said they dont want to turn over documents to congress. Why redaction . Why unequal justice . At some point i might have to get involved. This is a fight between congress and the department of justice over documents related to the various investigations going on. Members of congress not happy with the fact theres a lot of redactions. In particular, theres a memo that is the socalled scope memo that Rod Rosenstein wrote to Robert Mueller detail whats he can and cannot investigate. Youll notice theres huge redactions in this memo. Mark meadows and jim jordan want the unredacted memos so they can see what it is that mueller is up to. Heres one page, shep. Almost completely redacted. Well see if theyre successful, shep. Shepard john roberts, busy day at the white house. Thank you. Caroline is here, federal and white collar criminal offense attorney. The Republican Group wants to do something for sure. They want documents. But they want to get in the way of this. Lets not beat around the bush. Thats what they want to do, right . They do want to get in the way. The interesting thing about the tweet, nobody knows what President Trump means. Some have floated the idea that hes talking about potentially firing Rod Rosenstein. Hes overseeing the entirety of the mueller investigation. I think trump is pointing out that he feels hes throwing his hands up here at everything at this point. Hes sick of the whole thing. Shepard they put on a very aggressive public face of this. Today, rudy guliani, the first trump lawyer, to speak with any specificity about the and it sounds like rudy guliani is in charge now. Like maybe hes going to set the rules of the special counsel. No, youll go two hours. No, you wont ask those questions. They can subpoena him. I was going to say, shep, thats not how that works. Remember the initial statement is hes going to wrap it up in a couple weeks. Thats obviously changed. Now the story is hes going to decide on the legal strategy within the next couple weeks. The fact is, it behooves both sides not to take this all the way up to the Supreme Court in terms of getting a subpoena. Shepard think about how that trek will go. First thing you do is yes, yes and nine where are you. So both sides have bargaining power. Of course, the ultimate trump card, if you will, on muellers side shepard i see what you did there. Yeah. And they still have some bargaining power. Guliani does have look, Alan Dershowitz shepard hes looking for a job. Hes saying they would do written interrogatories. Since when . Its not going to happen. Shepard the rule of law is such that no one is supposed to be above it. Thats right. Shepard the Supreme Court has sided with no one is above the law. Thats right. Youre getting to the point of this question of whether or not they could potentially subpoena the president. If he choose not to comply, whether or not a court would step in and say you have to. There isnt exactly a case on point. Of course, nixon, about turning over of the tapes, not about testimony. Ken starr, we know he subpoenaed bill clinton but with drew that subpoena because clinton voluntarily decided to testify. Shepard after he was subpoenaed. But it was withdrawn. It wasnt tested. But youre right about the tenor of the Supreme Court decision who is out there, speak to this fact that no, a sitting president is not above the law. If theres an ongoing criminal investigation in which his testimony is needed, that its likely that a court would choose to move forward with the subpoena. The real question is whether or not he will take the fifth. You can debate that. Shepard that would be quite a political thing. Constitutional crisis, anyone . Yes. Shepard thanks, caroline. Thats the legal side. The politics next. What if President Trump does refuse to sit down with the special counsel . What if the president does get involved . These are not our whatifs. They brought it up. Well discuss the possibilities and what they might mean from the fox news deck on a quite busy wednesday afternoon. Glad to have you in. Nobodys hu, but there will still be pain. It comes when your Insurance Company says theyll only pay threequarters of what it takes to replace it. What are you supposed to do . Drive threequarters of a car . Now if you had Liberty Mutual new car replacement™, youd get your whole car back. I guess they dont want you driving around on three wheels. Smart. With Liberty Mutual new car replacement™, well replace the full value of your car. Liberty stands with you™. Liberty mutual insurance. 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Never dull over here, shep. Shepard what is the thinking on the politics of a sitdown and how they change the public face of this today . Theres clearly a new political strategy. Whether its legal or not, i dont know. Politics is playing a big role here. Questions, of course, include whether or not to do the sitdown and what to say. One of the things i heard you talking about, whether or not the president would consider using the fifth amendment not to answer the questions. Imagine the political blowback to that, if that was a decision that he made. I can just hear blowback from democrats. I can also hear what the president would have said if Hillary Clinton had done the same thing when she was interviewed by the fbi in 2016. That said, the legal advice that he gets from his lawyers is the most important thing. He has rudy guliani now and another new person coming in to give him that advice. Shepard there appears to be a concerted effort tell me if you disagree, just an observation to put a bunch of people on television and to say into the Television Like this channel, dont do it, mr. President. Dont do it. Dont go up there, dont do it. We know you want to. Dont do it, cant do it. Its an interesting point. We know the president does watch some television and he has a lot of surrogates, as we call them, or friends out there that speak for him and speak on behalf of him. Shepard dont do it. Exactly. If they say that, you never know if that will have an impact. Shepard then you wonder what the politics might be, how politically it might play if he were given a subpoena and had to make a decision. Mueller would have to decide whether to immunize him. How much people would be with the president arm and arm in that circumstance. Sure. You have to assume those are the types of calculations that President Trump and his advisers are taking into account. We know the president s position on this investigation. Hes made that Crystal Clear that he thinks this is a witch hunt and he will no doubt continue to say that. That doesnt take away the fact that he has to make a decision whether or not to sit down with the special counsel one way or the other.