There appears to be little appetite for listening to both sides. This was the scene as two, count them two people, showed up in ferguson this evening. Appearing to defend the Police Officers rights in this case. An appearance that lead to this. This. Go. Go. Go. Go. In new york, i think as a supporter of the officer, now. Obviously not. And theyre not the only one whos appear to be somewhat intollerant of the notion justice here might not lead to an indictment of this Police Officer. Listen to the missouri governor last night. A vigorous prosecution must now be pursued. The attorney for Michael Browns family joined me yesterday. He wants charges brought. When i asked what will happen if the grand jury does not indict this Police Officer, what happens next . They need to come back with an indictment. And meet state senator naseed who warned the prosecutor quote, if you should decide not to indict this Police Officer the rioting with we witnessed will seem like a picnic compared to the havoc that will likely occur. Protestors chant no justice, no peace. But justice is supposed to be blind to the will of a community, senator, and a governor. Mike . Well, the thing has become routine here. Theyre marching around in a kickel. There is some religious leaders, but theyre working in a circle, rain played a role tonight. And were getting close to the point where cameras outnumber demonstrators. Right. That is not a good place to be. Mike, thank you. Want to bring in ron wheeler who in ferguson last week what. Do you make of the scene . Two people show up to say, you know, they seem to be responding to the missouri governor they talk about prosecution. Theyre not happy with comments look. Look at what happened. Right. Right. Once again we can see the missouri governor has agitated the situation by adding his comments pertaining to the prosecution of the Police Officer. Somewhere, i read in this country were innocent until proven guilty. Now, im not sure if that changed but it appears from listening to the governor and others were guilty until proven innocent. I think people have a major issue with that. Now, the woman looked like she was taken out of there. The police did that so she would not be harmed because let me tell you, protestors out there are very, very violent. And that womans life was on the line if they didnt get her out of there. And we dont are the full tape and dont know whether she was instigating. What we saw is her trying to make a point. You can see her talking. And her sign says justice is for everybody. They were chapting go home, go home were now at the point where that notion, that justice is for everybody has become controversial. Well, let me tell you. If we dont go down the path of justice we normally do in this country when we have shootings and situations like that, in this case, regardless of the rioting, we are not doing a service for Michael Brown. This process needs to be allowed to go through. We dont need people coming in, fanning flames because of what they think without knowing all facts and elements in terms of what happened on saturday. This could be a murder of a Police Officer but an unarmed black teenager. This could be a cop committing murder. But might not be. It might be an 18yearold who instigated a terrible act which would justify his use of force though Michael Brown was unarmed what do you think is going to satisfy crowds . Theyre not supposed to be relevant and from a safety standpoint they wonder what is going to happen and satisfy this crowd i dont think a lot is going to satisfy the crowd soon. You know i was out in ferguson last week i talked to the same individuals that we see now. I can tell you when i asked them, i said what is it that you want . They said we want this Police Officer to be indicted for homicide and to go to jail. I said that is what the Justice System is for. They say we dont trust our Justice System. If that is the case no one is going to win in this situation. Some of the young guys are telling me theyre going to come back. People out there this week are not from ferguson. Theyre from st. Louis county and other cities in the area. There are protests outside of the Justice Center calling for the prosecutor to step down. He is the guy in charge of the process. His critics say he cannot prosecute because his child was killed on the job by an African American man. He stands by the oath and calls on Governor Nixon to make a decision because its up to the governor. So nixon needs to say yes im going to do that or no, im not. I want to do what i can to bring as much evidence and truth out in this case that brown family deserves that. And what happens if the investigation ends . He does his best but the grand jury did not indict. Joining me now is dave glover g to see you. You know this prosecutor, and the pressure on him from the state senator saying what we saw was these protests and people getting shot is going to look like a picnic if you dont get an indictment in this case. I know Governor Nixon theyre not friends i know to see them and shake their hand when i practiced law i didnt practice criminal law my roommate was a public defender. And he does not have a reputation for being soft on crime. Hes hard noseed and no nonsense. Not only was his father a cop but several Law Enforcement relations. Whenever the attorneys is a journeyman made his name defending Police Officers said to me on the show if he has a soft spot for Police Officers it wasnt for any Police Officers ive ever defended against him. And this is, they didnt elect him to be the county prosecutor with an asterisk and say you understand given your dark past, that if the white cop shoots a black person youre going to have to recuse yourself. Jay nixon painted himself into a corner as you know. He knew what hes going to say. It was scripted and he was in makeup. She said something is silly and he walked it back, as he should im sure you know this. Before jay nixon was governor he was attorney general forever. 15 years. Yes. He knows what a vigorous prosecution schl for anyone if i were to say justice for officer wilson, being here tonight i can tell you somber tragedy, a strange feeling to be here on the ground but we dont know anything. The only people that know anything are on the very deep inside of the investigation. And they dont know everything until its out there, no one can root for anything but justice. Period. Who is going to be the voice of that . With the folks on the streets . You know the attorney general for the family was on a program yesterday and hes a very reasonable, kind man. But i said what if the jury does not come back with an indictment . He said they better come back with an indictment. It doesnt seem like anybody is going to stop until they get this cop. You know, megyn my theory in all things there is 10 whackos on the left and 10 whackos on the right. 80 are fair minded and long the bell curve. Its going to take 80 . I dont expect them to come down here after what happened tonight. And that could have gone quickly. Do you know what they have told me . If this guy is good for it, let him burn. If not, cops are considered innocent until proven guilty. One more thing there is a lack of understanding of the legal system. Worst thing ever to happen is judge lauthner, everyone thinks you go in and none that have happens as you well know. Youre wondering where judge loellen is. Grand juries take time. People in this, you know, teeth clenched to get this in think every day that goes by without that happening someone is rigging it against them. Thank you. We appreciate it. So he had no lips. It was just the strangest thing. Do you remember him . The guy outside of wachner . I was only two, but i loved it. New video from another shocking incident in this same area. St. Louis. Another shooting just miles from where Michael Brown was killed white Police Officer and a black man who gets shot and killed. And tonight, continuing to watch the streets of ferguson. Geicos been helping people save money for over 75 years. Theyve really stood the test of time. Much like these majestic rocky mountains. Which must be named after the. That would be rocky the flying squirrel, mr. Gecko sir. Obviously ahh come on bullwinkle, theyre named after. First president george rockington that doesnt even make any sense. Mr. Uhh. Winkle. Geico. Fifteen minutes could save you fifteen percent or more on car insurance. Breaking tonight st. Louis asing new cell phone video of another police shooting, it happened yesterday afternoon, we knew about it but just seeing video miles away from where Michael Brown was killed august 9th. Its hard to watch, we warn you. Police pull up. Hes got a gun out. Oh. So were not playing you the moment where they shot that man to death. You can hear the number of them he was a 25yearold man the st. Louis chief says the suspect was armed with a knife and threatening officers and officers were in selfdefense. Mark what do you make of this case . Well, when you look at the tape, you walk away with one impression, then hear the chief of Police Describe it. There is a few discrepancies with when officers unholstered weapons. I think the problem is going to be getting this information second or third hand not from the shooters so that will be cleared up once those reports are all reduced. The critics say the man had his arms down ask said he was mentally ill or out of it. And you know saying kill me, kill me. The police, that he was walking towards them but he was walking. He wasnt running. He was unbalanced. Was this the only option . Well, you know, once youre committed theyre out of the vehicle ask dont know what they have. Theyre unholstered weapons now, the man is within 3 to 6 feet. If he has a weapon youre committed. Its not time to change tactics to try to find a taser and hope you find distance quickly. Weve heard about that people saying why isnt there a method other than deadly force . A taser has to be ready to be deployed when the situation is evolving slowly. A man keeping people at bay with a knife. You have an opportunity what about shooting to wound . You dont shoot to wound you shoot to stop. Its usually to make it short, simple. I want to ask you about another incident caught on tape a Police Officer is threatening the crowd now placed on leave. But watch. What is your name, sir . Put your gun down. Get away. Inexcusable . Well, in certain instances it s but it better be a tactical situation where your life or someone elses is in jeopardy. I believe a statement that this officer saw an individual that displayed a gun. If that is the case he didnt seem to focus on that person nor alert anyone he saw a gun. Its a tense situation in ferguson. These stories, what happened with Michael Brown, and in st. Louis, what happened with that cop, is under scoring how high tensions are running . Can i add one last thing some quickly. When officers confronted with a situation, we see it and have time to think about it. They have a fraction of a second to commit themselves and react to the threat. That is a tough situation for cops. That is important. Its easy to arm chair quarterback. Thank you. Thank you. Or on the streets of ferguson for that matter. Still ahead, taking a look at controversy surrounding some of the people he brought with him. Stay t female narrator the mattress price wars are on the mattress price wars are on at sleep train. We challenged the manufacturers to offer even lower prices. Now its posturepedic versus beautyrest with big savings of up to 400 off. Serta icomfort and tempurpedic go headtohead with three years interestfree financing. Plus, free sameday delivery, setup, and removal of your old set. When brands compete, you save. Mattress price wars are on now at sleep train. Your ticket to a better nights sleep so crowds are smaller, reportedly calmer in ferguson, missouri tonight but no less determined to see Police OfficerDarren Wilson indicted in the shooting death of Michael Brown. Earlier i had a chance to talk to tracy martin in this case. His son, Trayvon Martin was killed. He will be speaking at peace fest in st. Louis this weekend. Mr. Martin, thank you for being here, sir. Let me ask you about this case. This case in ferguson has become so chargeed and full of racial tension as we saw in your sons case as well. Do you make room for the possibility that the officer involved in this case did not murder but acted in selfdefense . It is possible. But the eye witness accounts is that the coroner the autopsy. I want to ask you that. Oreilly had a debate about whether folks like al sharpton and others who are condemning the Police Officer very strong terms and making clear their belief hes guilty are adding fuel to a fire in a dangerous way. I want to ask you about that. Because what emerged in your sons case is that he was minding his own business he wasnt doing anything wrong. And he lost his life. In this case, are you very sure that Michael Brown was minding his own business and was doing nothing wrong . Well, the facts still that Michael Brown was walking in the middle of the street, the police did admit he was walking into the middle of the street. And he wasnt doing anything w. On the accounts of the police. That is not true, sir. The New York Times show what the party as agree on so far at least is that there was a confrontation between Michael Brown and a Police Officer that had Michael Brown fiefting that officer at, in his car, and the gun went off. There was, and the brown family attorney came on the kelly file and told me he admits something went on in the car a struggle the gun went off. So, you know what happened after that is in question. I practiced law almost ten years. When i learned is that you just dont know. In cases, you never do know. You never know the truth. We do the best we can through this Justice System. I imagine you, as a man through a trial, you know, seeing the man who killed your son tryed and acquitted for what im sure you believe was a murder you know, we do the best we can with the system we have. But does it help to have people like sharpton and others out there . Stoking the fires and making pronouncements before the process is played out . I dont take it as their stalking the fire. I think theyre there to bring attention which is needed were living in a modern day segregation. Who is going to be the voice for the brown family . Who is going to be the voice for the Trayvon Martin family . You know . We honestly, reverend al sharpton, reverend jesse jackson, jamal brown these guys are bringing attention to what america is overlooking. Can they do that . I see your point. Can they do that without condemning the officer in this case . Can they talk about racial tensions and distrust many have of the police and explain why, you know, being pulled over more often, and what this evidence is instead of rhetoric like this. We have had enough the issue is how a young man with no deadly threat, no life exten yu yating circumstances was shot multiple times. That is the issue. That is the issue america has got to deal with. We dont want no double talking we dont want no right siding. We want to know where justice is. Go ahead, your thoughts, sir . I think that that statement is true we have had enough when you look we, as a community were targeting and treated as second and third class citizens were not treated equal as other ethnicity groups i understand what reverend sharpton is saying. We have had enough in the community. Do you think if the grand jury does not return an indictment it will be accepted . That decision . I think that, either way, its going to be tension. I cant say its not going to be accepted i look at my case and im still not accepting the fact there was an acquittal in this case because our son was murdered and im, the state of florida let a murderer go. Wow. They prosecuted him. Those prosecutors did their level best but they didnt prove the case. They didnt they didnt prove the case i mean but they tried and there was a trial and a jury of George Zimmermans peers listens to the evidence i know you have a civil rights case Going Forward i appreciate you coming on im sorry for your loss im sure this brings up all sorts of pain and reminders for you so all the best to you as you go through that as well. Thank you, maam. Attorney general eric holder was in ferguson today. A former doj prosecutor has been looking into what those resources are, and wait until you hear what he found. Plus, a new report says officer Darren Wilson was badly beaten in his alts indication with Michael Brown. These are new facts and new video of the officer. Its an alternate perspective on why it may have happened in this case. But may be something many in ferguson do not want to hear. Protests and arrests continuing on the streets of ferguson, missouri and numbers are growing as the night goes on. Steve harrigan is live in ferguson. A sharp decline in numbers, two nights ago we saw a thousand people in the streets now, at this point you can some bottles hurled at police, some bottles included urine. The question now that the process has begun if its going to take six weeks to make a decision what will that do . And right now, low levels of protestors about 18 on the streets here in ferguson. Theyre just investigating and doing investigations not like a trial. Takes a while. Fox n