knockdowns earlier. watch. >> i mean, obviously, you could logically say that if you had a process that was ongoing and you started mitigation earlier, you could have saved lives prayed obviously, no one is going to deny that. but what goes into those kinds of decisions is complicated. if we had it right from the very beginning, shut everything down, it may have been a little bit different. but there was a lot of pushback about shutting things down back then. >> harris: and there was also a lot of lack of information at that time, too. something everybody has now started to wake up to, as well. the president is waiting on when to reopen parts of the nation. that's part of our story today. watch. >> i'm going to have to make a decision, and i only hope to god that it's the right decision. but i would say, without question, it's the biggest decision i've ever had to make. >> harris: however, some health experts and governors have pushback on a possible may 1st target date. i want to bring in now fox news chief political anchor bret baier, also anchor an executive editor of "special report." great to see you today. there are two headlines that are working out there, bret. i want to look at what dr. fauci said. we talked about last hour on "outnumbered." the comment i made was, how much of this is really helpful? of course, that's also a question. >> bret: none, really, in the big picture. two, we've seen this story about president trump doesn't like fauci, fauci is criticizing president trump. it goes up and down. if you look at the whole context of that sound bite, fauci has asked a hypothetical. "what if?" if the u.s. has done a complete lockdown. well, the problem was that we, to your point, didn't have that information. fauci not himself come at the end of january , said the rest of the u.s. citizens was very low, in interviews. the real blame -- and there's a lot of stories about the blame to go around -- the real blame is on china. something else fauci said this weekend, that the original data out of china led them astray as far as how contagious it was and how many cases there were. >> harris: yeah, i think that is very informative to tell people, too. it wasn't just the lack of detail or information coming from other countries dealing with this early on, the first of which was china. it was also misinformation that we now know from even our own intelligence community. >> bret: right. that falls, again, right on china as far as what was coming out. the tech talk about happened when with the administration is illuminating in some points and clearly other things could happen. when they shut down the travel from china, he rightly points out, often, that he was criticized for doing that. that brough but a lot of time. there's a lot of things you don't know about the original point in wuhan. i think there's a lot of things we don't know, why shanghai and beijing did not get as much of this fallout as milan or new york city. i think we have a lot of investigating to do. >> harris: we do. as journalists, of course, we will do that. you know what? i do want to hit this one thing. ththe new yorker is featuring dr. fauci in an article this month, calling him "america's doctor." people from all walks, all political stripes, have said that you need somebody to lead. this is the man they have said they trust. is it damaging that the president tweets something that has a hashtag " #firefoundshe "in it? or do people just say it's more stuff on twitter? >> bret: i think the president does a lot of those things, that have even his supporters scratching their heads. i'm sure he'll be asked about retreating something that says #firefauci at the task force briefing today. i'm sure he'll be pressed on that. i'm sure the answer is going to be, "i respect this, i respect him. i'm going to use the data from fauci and dr. birx to make my decision about opening the country." i think his inclination is always to defend, because he spent three years under attack, in his mind, from all corners. that retreat is more about, "he? he said it, too." at the end of dinner. "after that i close down travel from china." pew on the other thing happening today is this "new york times" article. the president doing what he does. he will spar, he will fire back, and that's what he's doing today at "the new york times." saying -- this is over report of him accusing his advisors, and moving too slowly on opposing those social distancing guidelines. however, the president tweeted "the new york times" story is fake. "just like the paper itself, i was criticized for moving too fast when they should the china ban trade long before most of us wanted to do so." bret, he brought that up as an example of one of the steps he took. again, witnessing another public fight. i just toss to you and almost want to ask, what do people -- what are they supposed to make of it? >> bret: well, it's just a lot of back-and-forth. it will continue. there is criticism to go around. clearly the illustration at some points could have done different things. clearly there's going to be this, at the end of this, he looked back. i think the majority of sentiment across the country as we are in the middle of us. let's get through it. let's help small businesses and companies survive this. let's make sure, as few people as possible die because of this and get to the other side and then do the look back. obviously the president has always been a counterpuncher. he will continue to be. >> harris: you brought up an interesting point, though. he does defend, he does counter punch. i ask -- and i wanted to ask you this for a long time, so i'm just going to put it out there -- when we watch those news conferences in the afternoon and we see people who are journalists like you and i come asking the same questions, kind of over and over, having those moments of contention, have we moved to a point now where maybe that works for the president? >> bret: clearly he thinks it works, because he thinks that sparring is good to shore up his supporters. i think, as a journalist sitting there, you want to advance the ball on substance. not get in a fight with the president of the united states. that doesn't mean you don't ask pointed questions, but you try to advance the ball. as you know, harris. sometimes, because of the contentious nature of it, you are right, he sees it as a plus. a lot of people look at those things and say, "this is too long. he could have done it in half the time." i'm not saying that because it happens in my hour all the time. just because his supporters and others say it, "he could have done the same thing in half the time." >> harris: i was just curious. i know you're there, you are anchoring those moments right after, right before. oftentimes the president is there. we are all watching those reporters together, and have lived in those shoes similarly in some cases. i want to get to this, and it's the amount of cash the rnc has now launched a digital ad campaign. $1 million praising the president's response to covid-19 pretty as the clip, watch. >> we are working very well with fema, the army corps of engineers, building four field hospitals tray that was a decision the president himself took, and i'm grateful for it. >> he has been responsive, he has done a lot of good things. he has the army corps of engineers in our state. he has been very helpful and cooperative. >> harris: bret, what's your reaction? >> bret: well, i think you will see a lot more of these ads. i think you'll also see ads from the other side, which is joe biden and democrats trying to take pieces of these press conferences in the news coverage of them and make them ads the other way. i think chris wallace said that last week, but i do think this moment, how we recover or don't, both economically and from this medically and physically, will determine the outcome of the race in november. that's why you will see a ton of ads like this over the next few weeks. the trump campaign, harris, has a boatload of money. $240 million in just this quarter. so they're going to spend it. >> harris: yeah. all right, bret baier, i love having the nitty-gritty conversations with you. particularly about journalism. good to see you, my friend. we'll see you at 6:00 p.m. eastern. thank you. >> bret: thank you, harris. >> harris: the world's top health agencies reporting dozens of vaccines in the works globally to prevent the next outbreak. and officials are warning the virus could stock the human race for some time. dr. oz joins me with reaction to that, and taking viewer questions. plus, devastating twisters tour through the south and left at least 20 people dead, hundreds of homes damaged or destroyed. look at these pictures. we are in the middle of tornado season, and it is ominous. open road and telling peoplese that liberty mutual customizes your insurance, so you only pay for what you need! 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"half the samples from the souls of the icu medical staff's shoes tested positive. therefore, the soles of medical staff 'issues might function as carriers." dr. mamet's, host of the dr. oz show, joins me now. dr. oz, that is jarring. i'm wondering, other other places where walking eventually where there is still a lot of people packed in indigent municipalities across the country where it's on the soles of your shoes? >> dr. oz: and thinking about elevators, public bathrooms, you can get a lot of people expressing virus and landing on the ground. the virus gets aerosolized when we speak or sneeze or cough. it has to go somewhere. landing on of the ground make sense. it will be with water droplets of saliva, so it may still be contagious. this might be during information as opposed to the cdc itself endorsing it. but 50% of medical personnel, there's probably virus everywhere, they have it on the shoes. they have to be doubly careful. i have to say -- personally i've been doing this, it makes sense for everyone listening -- take your shoes off when you go home. the virus will die in a couple hours on your shoe. you don't have to do anything special, levered by the door so it can't track virus, if there is any, through your house. >> harris: gosh, these in such basic things. while sure hands, take your shoes off and you enter your home. these are things many of us heard us children. it has been this lingering question about how life will change when this is all over. will we start to step away from each other? i will get to the distancing of 13 feet in a moment. just in general, are there some basics we should have been doing anyway? will the new normal maybe look a lot like what was old normal back in the day, with our parents? >> dr. oz: harris, i suspect you and many of the viewers felt this. when he met someone, you grasp their hand, shake it firmly, look in their eyes. in some cultures he would hug, pack, rub noses, four heads. all humans have a way of greeting each other that conveys the fact, "i trust you, you trust me, we got a physical bond, let's move on." that's why teleconferencing was also felt to not be as good as in person meetings. even though you have to brave the airlines, the subway, whatever it took to get next to each other. i think that will change. it's not just that those cultural norms will be gone for a look at the handshake. who would shake someone's hand now? it's only been a month and it would take a lot to get someone to shake my hand. i wasn't even aware of the potential risks and stilted despite that. those norms will be altered, just the way, the urgency we feel next to each other, it'll be altered. is it better? clearly, yes from a virus transmission perspective. from a human perspective, the loneliness and psychological barriers people overcome now, that's much harder to say. in china, 50% depression rate and some of these areas that were quarantined for a long period of time. there's a price we pay. to do when i'm reading about that, that here in america there are already those in these psychiatric professions, more clinical depression as people are sequestered for longer periods of time. it's an excellent point to bring up as always, dr. oz. let's get to have your question. mark a has this. okay. i apologize for that, our team wasn't ready for that. you know what? i do want to hit that 13 feet. it's been so inconsistent. it's 3, it 6, it's 13. i'm trying to get as many opinions on this as possible. at the end of the day, we have to live accordingly to the facts. what are they, about sneezing and coughing on people? >> dr. oz: if you sneeze actively, you can generate a 26-foot projectile of cloud. that's not what's happening. people are talking to each other, and that spreads about 6 feet. social distancing, more than 10 minutes, within 6 feet of somebody. if you do that on that person gets sick, you have to assume you contaminated. it's still probably a one in ten chance you get sick. it's overwhelming you won't. unfortunately, in the new world, you have to quarantine yourself. that's what he should stay away from folks. this study on 13 feet, again, it was a chinese paper published in the states. i don't believe it's possible under normal conditions. in that study they identified one sample out of i believe eight in a space that was 13 feet away, that was positive for covid-19. who the heck knows how it got there? maybe someone else walking through that space was contaminated. i'm not going to change all social distancing norms based on that one report. we are complicating that more and we already have enough to worry about. 6 feet make sense. the w.h.o. only asked for 3 feet. i think 6 feet is wise. >> harris: i remember that. if you make it complicated, people will feel like whatever they do won't be good enough. and he don't want to be defeatist with that. we have been doing so far, at least from what you were telling us as experts, is working. i want to get to this. aaron asks, "we've known about aids virus since the early 1990s and still have no vaccine. why do the experts expect a vaccine within 18 months for this virus?" dr. oz? >> dr. oz: this virus has certain telltale signs on it. there is something called the spike protein, it spikes into your cell to the specific receptors. so the virus acts like a key to unlock ourselves to get in. one of them -- actually, the most advanced vaccine out there, it's a hong kong company, they are taking that spike protein and putting it on top of the virus that is not dangerous. so it spreads through your body, but it's not dangerous. your body can now identify that spike protein, vacant antibody, and so the coronavirus we are worried about, if it gets into your body, and how it that spike on the surface of the virus that is expressed on cells and infects them and kill it. that is the hope. the other vaccines are using different approaches. there are several different targets on this virus that are worth going after. the aids virus is a very different virus. it hides in our sell more effectively. it's more difficult to go after. >> harris: that's interesting. you know what? when we see each other again i want to ask you about the baseline coronavirus, and the fact that it is the baseline for the cold. can we maybe make that go away in our society with a vaccine? i will bring you back. dr. oz, always good to have you on the program. thank you. >> dr. oz: take care, harris. >> harris: well, we are awaiting an update now from governor andrew cuomo, who plans to announce a coordinated reopening idea with connecticut and new jersey's governors. he said a neighboring plan is what needs to happen now. that is scheduled for 2:00 p.m. eastern, at the top of the hour. fox news will bring that to you live as it happens. keep watching. this is "outnumbered overtime." i'll be right back. ear lows. but did you know that your va benefit lets you easily refinance to a lower rate? one call to newday can save you $2000 a year. with newday's va streamline refi there's no income verification, no home appraisal, and no out of pocket costs. it's the quickest and easiest refi they've ever offered. call newday now. tbwitpeople at higher riskng, must take extra precautions. you are at higher risk if you are over 65, or if you have an underlying medical condition. please visit coronavirus.gov for more information. ♪ >> harris: with new york governor andrew cuomo gaining national attention for his leadership during this pandemic, some democrats are calling on joe biden to tap him as his running mate. a new "wall street journal" op-ed argues this. "mr. biden has reason to worry, but including sir, on the ticket, a leader who has been battle vetted, is the best bet to drawing up votes from the disconsolate ambivalence to give democrats the winning edge." however, on saturday governor cuomo shot that idea down. >> i'm not running for president, i'm not running for vice president, i'm not running anywhere. i'm not going to washington. i'm staying right here. i said to the people of this state, unequivocally, when i was running for governor, i will serve as your governor. >> harris: i want to bring and now the power panel. leslie marshall, syndicated radio talk show host, and katie pavlich, editor for townhall.com. both are fox news contributor's, part of your family here. ladies, great to see. leslie, i want to come to you. i'm looking at something, and maybe we can pop this up on the screen. the latest fox news poll shows biden and trump tied at 42%. in march, in fact, the former vice president was leading by nine points. is your candidate for some reason in trouble? >> leslie: i don't think joe biden is in trouble. it's obviously a very different time than any election year that we've known in modern day. i mean, certainly he's not able to get out there and stump for himself. in addition to that, everybody's very focused, rightly so, on coronavirus. joe biden as well as the forthcoming election in november take a backseat right now. so i'm really not surprised, one. two, i'm not surprised that these numbers, harris, because that's really on track with what the country shows politically. that we have been and continue to be pretty divided. i've always said this will be a very tight race in november. >> harris: katie, when you look at kind of the calculation that maybe somebody like governor cuomo could help, that can be an indication that something is missing. >> katie: correct. first of all, joe biden, if he were to pick governor cuomo as his vice president, he's going back on one of his first campaign promises, which was to pick a woman to fill that position. so, that is something he would have to go back on. everything you just said is absolutely correct, it means something is missing. joe biden has sold himself as the establishment candidate who has enough experience, who has been through battles, who was the vice president of the united states, who has the experience to carry the country forward as president. he shouldn't need someone else is "battle-tested" to make it to the finish line. if you look at governor cuomo, has been a big double standard between the way he's been treated in the way president trump has been treated by the media. for example, governor cuomo touted the use of hydroxychloroquine. he was praised for that. president trump did the same and he was destroyed for that. there are big questions about his real record outside of this crisis, as well. there are millions -- not millions, thousands of people who have left new york, fleet new york, because of the far left policies. with its tax policy or far left abortion policies in that stage. when it comes to governor cuomo being chosen by joe biden, it does prove that joe biden can't do it on his own. let's not forget there's other things people will vote on, not just this particular situation. >> harris: all right. leslie and katie, thank you so very much. i may have time to come back to you, we'll see how that works out right after the commercial break. thank you both. a sailor from the uss theodore roosevelt has died from covid-19, as the navy is considering reinstating the ship captain. remember captain crozier, who got fired after raising alarm about a growing outbreak aboard that aircraft carrier? 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"at approximately 8:30 a.m., april 9th, the sailor was found unresponsive during a daily medical check. while naval base responders were notified, cpr was administered by fellow sailors and on-site medical team in the house. the sailor was transferred to u.s. naval hospital guam, where the sailor was moved to the intensive care unit. roosevelt arrived in guam march 27th. it entered port days out of schedule due to the number of coronavirus cases on board. the navy does not have enough testing to prevent similar outbreaks on board the uss namenda and other ships preparing to display. this is the second death among troops in the u.s. military, relatively low rate when you consider their 1.4 million active-duty troops serving all over the world. the investigation into the roosevelt's handling of the covid outbreak is complete and in the hands of the navy's top officer, admiral michael gill day, who is not rule out the possibility come as you mentioned come of three in stating captain crozier. harris? >> harris: jennifer griffin, thank you for the latest on that. president trump is taking a harder stance against expanding mail-in voting amid the pandemic, despite health officials say it might not be saved if one person in november. over the weekend the president tweeted this. "mail-in ballots substantially increase the risk of crime and voter fraud read" the chairman of the dnc disagrees. watch >> republican and democratic governors have said vote by mail is not something that is going to lead to fraud. we must ensure that, come this november, voters have options. if you want to vote by mail or vote no excuse absentee, you should be able to do that. >> harris: former first lady michelle obama and her voting rights group also threw their support behind expanding vote by mail options earlier today. i want to bring back katie pavlich and leslie marshall, if i can. katie, what is your take on th this? >> katie: there is plenty of evidence to show that mail-in voting does create a better environment for fraud and criminal activity, and also creates an environment for coercion in voting. there is nobody president. if somebody's ballot are breeding to make sure they can vote rather than being contributeintimidated into putta different way, it could be happening with family members or political consultants or other people who are activists for a certain cause. there is no determination but who will take these ballots, in about harvesting fashion, and delivering them properly. this is about fertilizing elections. democrats who are doing this during a pandemic should be shown to themselves. americans can vote in person in november. health officials say that may not be safe, but at this point we are going after him before. resulting to a tactic that allows for massive voter fraud, which is seen in places like new york and texas, is not the answer. >> harris: leslie? >> leslie: voter fraud is terrible for both democrats and republicans, but one of the things we have seen with problems in voting is when we don't have paper ballots. when we have paper that you are filling out and mailing end, that's a paper ballot. number one. two, a lot of republicans' field with the man's voting process that it has an adventure democrats. if you look at the numbers, this could benefit the president. we have a large proportion of seniors a vote for the president, many of them aren't going to be able to go out to vote and it would be more dangerous for them healthwise to go out and vote depending on what happens between now and november with covid-19. of course, veterans and other military families. when health officials say, "look, it might not be safe to have hundreds and thousands of people gathering to vote," i say let's go with the health professionals as of now and gear our society toward that for our own health. i don't think that we are going to have the voter fraud that is so much concerned about. obviously it would impact both democrats and republicans negatively. >> harris: something you're both hinting at is the fact that there is actually quite a bit of time between now and november. i know we're in the midst of a pandemic and it seems like there is pressure, but we've actually been able to accomplish a lot in the last five or six weeks as a nation with social distancing, so on and so forth. we start to see medical experts think it makes difference. imagine what we can do between now and november to get ready for voting, no matter how it turns out. i'm just saying come we could at least think positively, right? part of today's coverage, katie -- i will come to first on this -- has been the president tweeting out -- retreating, i should say, reaching a tweet -- in which there was the hashtag #firefauci. meaning dr. fauci. now a white house statement. "this media chatter is ridiculous, president trump is not firing dr. fauci. the tweet literally exposed media attempt to push falsehood about the chinese decision and an attempt to rewrite history. it was democrats in the media who ignored coronavirus, choosing to focus on impeachment instead. when they finally did comment on the virus, it was to attack president trump for taking the bold, decisive action to save american lives by cutting off travel from china and from europe. dr. fauci has been and remains a trusted advisor to president trump," and that comes from the deputy press secretary, hogan gidley. katie pavlich? >> katie: so, this was a treat that was retweeted by the president. so we will put that out there first. it is true the media has tried to drive a wedge between the president and dr. fauci. dr. fauci said two weeks ago that he's tired of the questioning about why he's not in every single briefing, as if the reason he's not there is because the president doesn't want him there answered questions when he's off actually doing other work. i'm sure the president will be asked this question today at the briefing. i'm sure dr. fauci will be able to make some comment about it, as well. so, it is true that the media has tried to drive that wedge. it's also true that the president tweeted hashtag that says #firefauci. so, there you go. >> harris: katie, leslie, thank you very much. great to see you today, haven't seen you in a while, both of you. a georgia bar owner's incredible gesture to her employees is now going viral online. how this one selfless act sparked a wave of kindness, but also an idea in these economic uncertain times. watch. ♪ i'm your mother in law. and i like to question your every move. like this left turn. it's the next one. you always drive this slow? how did you make someone i love? that must be why you're always so late. i do not speed. and that's saving me cash with drivewise. my son, he did say that you were the safe option. and that's the nicest thing you ever said to me. so get allstate. stop bossing. where good drivers save 40% for avoiding mayhem, like me. this is my son's favorite color, you should try it. 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>> harris, that's one of the biggest challenges for education officials right now, just the uncertainty over when it will be safe to reopen the schools. 21 states have already shut down schools for the rest of the academic year, and the rest are closed until various times in april and may. more than 55 million students are home right now. if this pandemic continues through the summer, some will have been out of the classroom for as long as six months. administrators across the country are trying to figure out how they're going to make up for that lost time. here in virginia, state officials are considering a long list of options, including mandatory summer school this year and next to help students get back on track. >> some students may be able to do it during the closures with distance instruction. others are going to need more support next school year. frankly, maybe some school divisions will decide to make school days longer and ask students to stay extra time then. what we know is that we are committed in virginia to every child, and we will create a plan for every child to make sure they are successful no matter what their background is. >> they say the longer these shutdowns last, the more students will fall behind and the harder it will be to get them back where they need to be. that is particularly true for kids who were already struggling, and that is why some education experts are suggesting it may be best to have students at underperforming schools repeat this last year altogeth altogether. >> rather than pushing them ahead into the third or fourth grade that they're not ready for, why not keep them in the current grade, give them extra help, extra tutoring, extra instruction to help them get caught up? the worst thing we can do is just pretend this never happened and try to push ahead and move kids ahead into material that they are not ready for. >> while holding students back is on the table, most school administrators we have spoken to said they expect a majority of students will move ahead to the next grade as planned. however, they do caution there is an ever-growing list of concerns about the ripple effects these shutdowns will have, and the budgetary consequences that will have as they try to address those shortcomings. all of the costs will add up and they have to find a way to pay for that. harris? >> harris: i know with all the numbers and the stats that we sometimes talk about people like they're not people, but try telling a little 8-year-old who did his or her best that it wasn't enough to get through that school year, when some of the school districts have been talking about this already for a month. that is tough, talk about all the kids back. it's only part of the conversation. garrett tenney, thank you very much. most of us have seen papermoney stapled it to the walls of establishments when we are out in them, like bars, grills, that sort of thing. some time it's as a memento. one georgia bar owner who had to shut down her bar due to the coronavirus pandemic took down more than $3700 in cash that was stuck to the wall and handed that money over to her now unemployed staff. the gesture went viral online, sparking thousands of dollars in donations and also ideas about what other bar owners could be doing. my next guest has been able to support other service industry workers fresh out of a job. joining me now is jennifer knox, orner of the sandbar in tybee island georgia. great to see you. first of all, your reaction to all of the reaction? >> overwhelming. overwhelmed. you have to support your local watering hole, we are all in this together. >> harris: this is personal for you, too, i understand. because you are a bartender at that very popular establishment, and then he bought it. when you buy it, you own it, and you feel -- because we talked right before this during the commercial break, you feel personally responsible for the musicians and the employees. >> these are my people. i got to do whatever it takes to keep them okay. >> harris: what has been some of the feedback from your actual musicians and employees? >> i mean, this has been a game changer. with the dollars on the walls and the donations that are coming in, my people can eat, pay their rent. it's been a complete game changer and i am so happy to help. >> harris: we are showing some pictures of the cash that you took down. what made you do this? did you just wake up one morning and say, "i'm going down to the bar and i'm going to take the stuff off the wall?" did you have an epiphany at some point staring at those dollars? i'm curious. >> it was an epiphany. we literally locked the doors, we had no music, no tv, nothing. we just sat there like, "oh, my god, we have money on the walls, we have time on our hands, we've got to get this money down and into the hands of people that need it in their. >> harris: you told me first you were told you'd be down for two weeks , and it was a money what does that mean for your small business? >> it was scary. we were told to beaks, a month, maybe two months. it changes everything. people are waiting for their stimulus checks, unemployment, and right now we have nothing. this was supposed to be our kickoff to the season. people are freaking out right now, and i'm just trying to let everyone know that we are going to be okay. i'm going to do whatever it takes to keep my people okay, and with the donations that have been coming in, i can even help further than my people. more people on the island that needed, because there's a lot of people who need it. >> harris: i know this is stressful, and we are taking a look at some video in there. you are saying you can even help those beyond your establishment. that is what small business owners do, as you describe it to me. it's a family where you live, and you pop up your business. jennifer knox, thank you very much for your time. good to see you. 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