Sheriff who has this message for governor newsom. Leaders do not threaten, attempt to intimidate or cause fear. Bullies do. While the Governors Office and the state has threatened action against violators, the Riverside CountySheriffs Department will not be blackmailed, bullied, or used as muscle against Riverside County residents in the enforcement of the governors orders. Harris you are watching outnumbered. Im harris faulkner. Town hall editor and Fox News Contributor katie pavlich. Joining us on the center of the virtual couch, founder and executive director of the turning point usa. Charlie, its great to see you. I just want to start with, you know, its the constitution, there are all these laws. How does it fit in that it is the sheriff, the police who are in charge of the governors thoughts and restrictions and not the Health Department . Charlie theres so many contradicting orders that are happening right now especially in california, you saw that viral video over the weekend of a Small Business owner in thousand oaks, california, she had her restaurant shut down and right next to it, there was a movie set that was allowed to do the exact thing that she wasnt allowed to do in the constitution is not suspended even in the time of a crisis or a pandemic. You are starting to see Small Business owners across the country fight for their life. This has been almost seven or eight months of lockdowns and opening up a little bit, more lockdowns and i personally stand right next to these Small Business owners trying to make sure they can open their businesses and at least be treated fairly like some of these Big Box Stores are. Harris you know, emily, i do want to get into the legalities of all of this because it really does matter. Ive interviewed quite a few of the sheriffs and one of them was a former superior court judge so i dont know if some of these governors have an idea of what they are going to have to deal with here, theres been a good argument going on by guys and ladies who really know about why isnt it the Health Department . If the health apartment comes to your establishment and says, about spread and all of that but its a law, why . Katie to answer your last question first they are in fact wielding the Health Department as a weapon. We know that here in my state they are being fined 9600 a day for defying orders, we saw a Brewing Company in maine be inspected 30 times by the health inspectors, we are talking about Staten Island, having their Liquor License suspended so indeed that governments are wielding all the tools they have in their toolbox to make life unpalatable for these restaurants, to make it on survivable, frankly and to your point in the court system we are seeing them fight their way through, in california, the California Restaurant Association is taking this to court. For viewers, weve seen the arguments over church capacities in the ability for people to worship. Thats a different standard of review, thats a strict scrutiny. Hearing court for this argument, this whole debate here, though standard is rational basis so its a lower standard which means these businesses do have a higher chance of hopefully succeeding in court but it is highlighted that there is not evidence as of yet including the testimony today that says we dont have science that supports closing Outdoor Dining even though we are indoor dining. Harris you called it rational. I dont see the rationality in that. We are told to respect some things but then you have to tell us what it is, that rational decisionmaking that you are saying, i cant even get into that, kennedy . Kennedy i was in california over the weekend. People are both freaked out and frustrated. The virus is spreading, spreading, icus are over the critical threshold, in l. A. County they are under 89 so that means, under 15 the governor said he would start issuing these edicts for various counties, and so people are looking around, wearing masks, staying apart from each other, using hand sanitizer, and going, what else am i supposed to do . And now they are being punished with these arbitrary finds. And thats when you are seeing Law Enforcement, theyve got friends, theyve got family members who have businesses and they look around and see people suffering. When you are just trying to serve people and make a little money, its not the same thing is going into nursing home and coughing on people so they have to stop treating them like those of the same thing. Harris i listened to an interview on the radio this morning, katie, it was from a frontline doctor, former military surgeon who compared whats happening in some states, kennedy was talking about the spread to being in a war zone and he served in several and he said thats because they still dont have the ppe and some of the things they need. It be great if these governors, i believe his state was arizona where the spread is and as precipitous as it is in certain places like california but he said the beds are filling up. Wouldnt these governors be best served going in there, not getting what you need on the front lines and figure out where the spread is coming from but theyre not doing that. Why . Katie know, a lot of these governors are very focused on using this power trip they now have and shutting people down without giving them real evidence to back it up. You have statements from new York Governor Andrew Cuomo for example back in may, more than 60 of the new cases were coming from people who are at home and locked down and yet the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again. Thats what these governors are doing. This is beyond arbitrary rules about the virus. Weve just went through an entire summer, democrats in cities and states, they are sticking Law Enforcement on people who are simply on their own properties trying to open their business and the government really now has engaged in confidence to confiscation without compensation, taking away peoples livelihoods and in return they are getting nothing, they cant get a package through federal government, local governments are completely overwhelmed, unemployment is running out in a lot of these places, especially in states that are poorly managed and you have these governors doing the same thing over and over again, demanding that businesses shut down in their own property and then they threaten to throw them in prison with major finds, the Health Department and i remember when we were not sending people into jails because they were worried about covid spreads and now we are threatening Business Owners with prison time, jail time for opening up their business after going through and complying with all these rules and regulations that california, for example, put in place. Theyve done everything the governor has asked to comply with being safe and yet they are then told they had to shut down and when they ask for evidence they are told to shut up and take it. Harris i go back to what kennedy, you were saying, they are being told everything to do but maybe its because they are not being told the right thing to do. We do have some people who make horrible decisions because they are power trip and, remember when they were putting next to the most vulnerable of us, in new jersey and new york, those governors, murphy and cuomo making the decision to put covid19 situations together with the most Vulnerable People in those Nursing Homes and we lost so many people. Charlie, i come to you for the last word on this. Katie said confiscation without compensation. That is huge. Charlie i completely agree and at this point i think we need to trust people to make good choices and good decisions, understand the threat of the virus and when people about if he b. S. Private property they worked their entire life disappears and nine months because of centralized, draconian lockdowns, we have to ask ourselves if thats the proper role of government. Government should be protecting peoples rights to own property, not confiscating their property. Every day you force a restaurant to be close you might as well take money away from them. They still have to pay rent, they have to pay their employees and they have to pay some sort of inventory costs. Hundreds of thousands of Small Businesses may never survive again. The current count is around 130,000 Small Businesses have gone under this year and every month that goes by we might see an entire generation of firstgeneration immigrant Small Business owners that will never be able to open again. Harris yeah. A part of our americana. Okay, we will move on. We are going to go deeper on the subject coming up. A Restaurant Owner went viral after sounding off over the apparent double standard in los angeles. 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Kennedy President Trump to at a georgia rally over the weekend, that is going to decide which Party Controls the senate. One of those senators, Kelly Loeffler faced off last night against her challenger, Rafael Warnock in a fierce and very heated debate, watch. My opponent, radical liberal Rafael Warnock has called Police Officers gangsters, thugs, bullies and a threat to our children. My opponent is going to work really hard trying to push a narrative about me. I actually brought together Law Enforcement officers here in the city. Kennedy the other republican senator facing a runoff david purdue declined to take part in last night debate, leaving his democratic challenger john awsat alone on stage. Next to an empty podium. Of all the things we saw in georgia this week, what you think was most effective in changing voters minds . Was at the plea the president made at that big rally or did it Kelly Loeffler really nail in the debate against Rafael Warnock . Charlie i think the president s rally definitely moved the dial, i was in georgia and i can tell a lot of people on the ground were a little uncertain of what the marching orders were for the maga faithful. I think there were people incorrectly instructing trump supporter to boycott the january primary. President trump endorsed both senators very positively and vocally but he also talked about voter integrity which is a primary concern of many georgia voters. I would venture to guess, based on being on the ground in georgia it, everything we are doing, this was a significant boost to both the campaigns and runoff elections are very tricky. They are turn out elections, not persuasion elections. There are very few undecided voters. Its about getting your base out to vote especially after new years and christmas and january 5th on a tuesday, a lot of people are going to sit it out and its very critical that every republican and conservative gets engaged in georgia and the president plays a huge part in that this weeke weekend. Kennedy all right, he did seem to thread the needle talking about his election grievances but, he very vociferously endorsed both candidates. And one of the flash points, emily, the debate last night was Court Packing because thats something that a lot of people, not just in georgia, have questions about. What is a democratled senate going to do in terms of the Supreme Court . And Rafael Warnock sidestepped that question over Court Packing, lets watch this and then you can comment, emily. Im really not focused on it. And i think that too often the politics in washington has been about the politicians. Im a pastor. He also is distracting from the fact that he would pack the Supreme Court. Thats outrageous. The nine justices is the right number, he would pack the court with radical justices that would legislate from the bench to fundamentally override the constitution and our laws in this country and georgians need to know that its wrong for georgia and our country. Harris your thoughts, emily . Emily i think it would do well in those clips to play in the time between last night on the actual election in january. The point about politics fatigue or covid fatigue, really the important thing is to draw on voter turnout, a high volume thats and not for the down ballot so sourcing out, drawing that assertion, and i want to point out that theres really no surrogate like the sitting president of the united states. Far more important than those debates is the president. And really rallied in a compelling way, focused on two things which was his accomplishment of the past four years and these g. O. P. Senators would help preserve his accomplishments on the past four years by providing the republicans in the senate. And also articulating what would happen if they lost, articulating the Court Packing and all these things these guys are running on that would be, frankly, terrifying to georgians on the national scale. Especially if he does one more right before the runoff. Kennedy katie, does it hurt david purdue if hes not coming out and debating . Obviously trying to pull a stunt there last night debating an empty podium. Does not have any effect on voters who see david purdue as absent . Katie that is a negative. I think its always a bad idea for a candidate, on the other hand you dont want to give your opponent on any kind of leverage or cut out statements you may have made during that debate. On Court Packing, when he says he is not focused on it, hes not ready to be a u. S. Senator. The job of the senate is the very serious issue of Supreme Court nominees rate if he is and focused on that he isnt ready to be a u. S. Senator. She did a great job of bringing this from a National Debate to a local debate, talking about georgia values, and warnock using religion as a weapon against the very constituents he wants to represent. We are talk