these instigators and agitators trying to infiltrate their protests and use them for their own purposes. >> melissa: meantime, in seattle, on saturday at least 59 police officers hurt, dozens arrested. police releasing body cam video showing rioters throwing explosives and rocks at officers. in atlanta, protesters smashing windows that federal buildings, housing dhs and i.c.e. in oakland, california, building set on fire. in richmond, virginia, vandalism supporting the protesters in portland. incredible. juan, i want to start with you on this. well, this is "outnumbered," and i'm melissa francis. i will introduce everybody. here today, my partner, harris faulkner. host of "kennedy" on the fox business network, kennedy herself. niece of dr. martin luther king jr., evangelist, and fox news contributor, alveda king. joining us today, cohost of "the five" and fox news political analyst, juan williams. juan, i will start with you and ask you, there seems to be now a clear acknowledgment and recognition that there is, you know, at least two groups out there. when that is really inciting violence and trying to cause ch, it seems, with civil rights and equal rights, but really is just trying to sow violence. does that sound right to you? >> juan: yeah, i think that we've got here, melissa, is a situation where there are people who were on the ground who have been protesting, an extension of the black lives matter protests, if you will, and now i think they've increasingly been a number of people who come looking for trouble, and looking to stir up trouble. some responding to the presence of the u.s. agents that were put in place by the president, people from i.c.e. and customs and the like, and they are obviously antagonized by their presence, so it becomes a highly provocative confrontational situation. to your point, most of the marching after the george floyd incident really was a peaceful march. now we are into a different stage of this. as i say, you have pro vocations on both sides. but it's becoming a tense, difficult situation for anyone to handle. the mayors in these towns, i think they are under pressure. they wanted to show sympathy for people who are upset about police brutality. but now i think they are clearly in a position pressed by the president to try and get this under control immediately. >> melissa: yeah. so, alveda, juan they are making the point that the federal forces are at least part of the problem, antagonizing and drawing people to the scene. gabriel johnson, i would redo this. a48-year-old black man, a retired marine, he's a portland resident he was at the protests last week, and he said that antifa is infiltrating protests there, telling fox news, "these people have nothing to do with black lives. our black community leaders need to stand up and lead, because of what's happening. they are leading a group of terrorists who don't represent me use me, and that is not right." do you think juan is correct in saying antifa showed up because federal forces were there? that it is drying and drying antifa into these things, even though we certainly saw this exact same thing at the wtd there were no federal forces there? what are your thoughts, alveda? >> alveda: outside agitators like antifa, in 1963. our home, the home of my dad and my mother, my dad was a pastor there, our home was bombed. we got out of the house safely, we go out into the streets, and they were molotov cocktails, people were throwing almost boulder-sized rocks, turning over cars. it was not the people who lived in the community. i remember my dad stands on the car, and he says, "wait a minute, wait a minute. if you'd like to hit somebody, hit me, but rather you go home." my family and i were safe. the people of the community began to pray and to sing gospel songs and things like that, and step away from the agitators. it's very clear who the agitators work and to the community was. i lived through the '60s, i was a youth organizer. my dad was with john lewis, and he had been hit in the face with a rock in one of those activities by antifa-like forc forces. they come, and they are not generated and orchestrated by the united states government. these are outside forces that want to cause anarchy, and the most effective method that we have found is still nonviolence. take as many pictures as you can, and user cameras now. with the masks on, we really can't see as well who people are today, but that type of anarchy is not from people of goodwill. it just isn't. >> melissa: so, kennedy, there are a lot of those on both sides echoing exactly what alveda just said. one of them is the mayor of oakland, libby schaaf, who warned residents yesterday in a statement saying, "oaklanders need to know that, when they attend protests after dark, they might be providing cover for agitators more intent on stoking civil unrest than advancing racial justice." so, this is the mayor saying exactly what alveda essentially just said, that if you are a peaceful protester is your your responsibility to separate yourself from those who are causing this kind of violence if you want to advance the cause. one good way to do that is to not do it at 3:00 in the morning. your thoughts? >> kennedy: exactly right. i'm glad libby schaaf stood up and said something, because they have to appeal to rationality at some point. yesterday in los angeles we were driving past a peaceful protest at 2:00 in the afternoon on wilshire boulevard in front of the federal building. my 15-year-old pointed out the window and said, "that's how you have a protest." people were calm, they had signs, and they were organized. they had a message, and they were moving in one direction. she's absolutely right, portland is a city where i grew up. it's a city i love. i've taken my girls there every single year to see family, and they see the news. they see what's happening, and it's hard for them to comprehend this. they are absolutely right, the people who are out marching, they're not marching at 1:00 and 3:00 in the morning. they are trying to infiltrate the federal courthouse because they know that the optic is good for their stinky movement. if you take all the federal agents out of portland, if you take dea, secret service, fbi, the u.s. marshals, he take them out of there, ted wheeler has done such a job of letting that city implode, you have the exact same circumstances. police and portland are incredibly frustrated, because now they are at an impasse and they are told they can't do anything. cities like seattle and portland and even new york city, they have completely lost control. what will it take for these leaders to stand up and lead and keep people safe? regardless of the political party, i don't care if they are democrats or republicans. you should have the ability to stop walking around the city where you live without feeling unsafe. >> melissa: harris, i heard andy mccarthy speaking earlier today to this point, and saying all these cities are so far out of control, as kennedy just pointed out, because the whole idea of having a police force is to me to this kind of violence with superior force. not overwhelming force, not excessive force, not abusive force, but you have to have superior force to those who are causing this kind of violence in order to regain control. i wonder, since the mayors of these cities haven't been able to allow the police to do that, how do you think they get control now? what are your thoughts? >> harris: i mean, in some places the federal officers will come in and in other places we see in the national guard come in. that was certainly in the early ongoing of george floyd after may 25th. you saw the governor of that state usher in national guard. so, there are resources out there. some of them are being accepted. i know lori lightfoot has gone back and forth. she didn't want federal officers in chicago as the mayor there. and yes, but here are the requirements and specifications. it's a political thing, too. i would say this -- with the mayors and leadership in these cities and states really need that is lacking is vision. what is the vision? what is the plan for post-peaceful protests in? post-rioting? post riots in your streets? post federal buildings being set on fire? what is your vision for what comes next? i wonder -- you mentioned andy mccarthy, so, as a former u.s. prosecutor, i would want to ask him this. do we have an appetite as a nation for finding out what these -- and i will call them criminals, because they are committing crimes. can we, in some instances, have cameras in the courtroom? can we have reporters in the courtroom to tell us, to ask them the question? what are you trying to achieve? you are stifling democracy, which means once you intersperse with the people trying to be out there for change and whatever their vision is, your intermixing so much that you are endangering their lives. you are attacking police officers. what is the goal here? if it's to take stuff, you are doing a really bad job. the rioters at the beginning were doing better than this. if it's to kill people, unfortunately that could be met and that is tremendously sad for the country. i think we should start to talk and hear from those people who are doing this, because they are crashing underneath their way to our democracy and our freedom. i want to know, why? i want to know who they are. i don't care what teacher they wear. antifa, whatever. they are still considered american citizens, and i thought we were in this together. do we have an appetite to really see who these people are? and will day -- i know they pull down their masks for other reasons, so they can shout and scream, but will they show us who they are? >> melissa: yeah. i think you might have said it, and they are upending democracy, you want to hear directly from . as nation members john lewis, we await the arrival of his casket at the capitol, where the civil rights giant will lie in state. a motorcade about to carry him past washington landmarks on his way there. we will bring all of that to you, next. >> harris: the motorcade now carrying the casket of georgia congressman civil rights icon john lewis is making its final journey to capitol hill. we've been on the coverage this morning. he will become the first african-american to lie in state inside the u.s. capitol rotunda. just moments ago, his casket was received by his family and friends, and now will drive and stop at significant sites across our nation's capital. we are getting some notes on what that's going to look like real quickly. first, the lincoln memorial for a quick pause. you may know that lewis spoke at the 1963 march on washington, criticizing kennedy liberals for inaction on civil rights and calling for massive help for the poor. the speakers addressed the march attendees from lincoln memorial. a very quick pause there, but the first stop, we are told, will be the mlk memorial. john lewis rode to reverend ralph abernathy for help in suing for the right to enter troy state college. he met the doctor king when he was 18 years old, and lewis was also at the dedication ceremony for the statute in 2006. significant for him, mlk memorial, after a brief pause at the lincoln memorial and then, as i understand it, they will revisit that lincoln memorial on the days events today. now we will continue on with "outnumbered." alveda king, the niece of dr. king, is with us now. the mlk memorial, i was just talking about, alveda, why it was so important to go there and make that the first full stop for the congressman's casket. >> alveda: well, my uncle, dr. martin luther king jr., was a mentor to young john lewis in the 1960s. john, of course, at that time, became known nationally on the edmund pettus bridge. that is where they marched, and john was there, my dad, reverend king, john was severely beaten, and my dad always remarked on his fortitude. john's focus. that will always say it's the young people, the students that will have to carry this moveme movement. he was right there. our family has known him for five decades. not just the time he was in congress, but during that tumultuous day. john was always very focused, nonviolent, humble, peaceful, and all of that is very important. the young people of today could learn a lot from the character and the standards that john lewis lived by. >> harris: you know, alveda, if everybody will stand by for just a moment, i have a follow-up for you. it's about where we look for courage and bravery. we don't talk about those words very much, or as often as we should, but the courage and bravery that it took your uncle and others like john lewis to sometimes literally, often figuratively, keep their hands in their pockets while those who hated and were prejudiced railed against them. >> alveda: courage and bravery can be a learned characteristic, it can also be cultivated and trained. we also talk about human power. it shouldn't just be black power or white power, but human power and god power. with god as a focal point, courage can be directed and can become without violence. we were taught that in the 1960s during the very tumultuous times of bombs and guns and molotov cocktails, all of that. john lewis kept up very consistently throughout his lifetime. he was a humble man, a peaceful man, and yet a very strong and courageous man, and we saw that. so, you know, we actually had different politics and different philosophies. i'm an evangelist, the gospel of jesus christ. he was dealing with social justice and social gospel. some things are universal, harris. that's faith, love, courage, and that universal force, if god directs it, it makes the strongest force possible. love. definitely love. >> harris: yeah. you know, juan, i do just want to point this out. this schedule has pretty much stayed where it's supposed to be. they will now go by the mlk memorial first, and then that pause at the lincoln memorial. i just want to correct that for the record, as we learn more details and go on with this. this motorcade -- and i had said this earlier, you may see a situation where the ride would really take 30 minutes, because they would have cleared the traffic. look at the people on the road side there, knowing this motorcade is coming through. juan? >> juan: well, it's emotional to see that. it reminds me of people watching when robert f. kennedy's casket was being brought back to washington. obviously, people with strong historical memory will know that, when franklin delano roosevelt's casket was brought along a train back to washington, there was, again, people standing on the side and honor. i am taken by the idea that people would do that today for congressman lewis. when you mention these two stops that are upcoming, harris, i think it's important for people to understand the significance. the first, of course, as you just said now, is going to be the be the martin luther king memorial. the most recent addition in terms of major monuments here in washington. one that shows a mountain of despair with a hole in it, and outcomes dr. king's statue. a stone of hope from a mountain of despair. you have that moment. i was there with john lewis back in 2006 when that was dedicated, and i remember talking with him about it and about how he, and the first time i had learned this, he had been called "the boy from troy" by dr. king. he comes from troy, alabama, and that's how he had come to know dr. king was seeking help to get into troy. but also, then you have to realize that he was in line with dr. king's training about nonviolence, as we've heard earlier today. he had gone on from troy over to nashville, and to a baptist seminary, and he was studying, again, the principles of nonviolence. people like james lawson and others who had been over to india, even, to study gandhi and the like. they had brought back these principles of nonviolence. they took root in john lewis' heart as he became one of the founders of the student nonviolent coordinating committee. he held the freedom rides that we have described earlier. the second thing is, they will stop at the lincoln memorial. as we've heard, he was the speaker immediately before dr. king. the man who opened the march on washington was a philip randol randolph. >> harris: we are watching now, they are in the of columbia, and they are about 10 minutes or fewer away from the mlk memorial where they will stop first. let's take this to a quick commercial break. more on the other side. stay close. at visionworks, we know there's lots of things you've been avoiding. like people... and pants. but don't avoid taking care of your eyes, because we're here to safely serve you with new procedures that exceed cdc guidelines and value your time. visionworks. see the difference. >> techand your car., we're committed to taking care of you >> tech: we'll fix it right with no-contact service you can trust. >> tech: so if you have auto glass damage, stay safe with safelite. >> singers: ♪ safelite repair, safelite replace. ♪ in a highly capable lexus suv. at the golden opportunity sales event. get zero percent financing on all 2020 lexus models. experience amazing at your lexus dealer. on all[ heavy breathing ] breathe more freely with congpowerful claritin-d.you? 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or is there one? maybe there isn't one. what is your opinion? >> alveda: i remember when president trump, as candidate trump, said we all believed the same. he said in his remarks that he has consistently demonstrated that he is not color-blind but he sees americans regardless of skin color. he sees a human race here in america that needs support, help, safety, security, and thoe types of things. it is very amazing, the unemployment checks, for example. the ppp payroll assistance. and some people who were on medicaid, medicare, people receiving food stamps, they got bonuses and their food stamps at all of that. i'm hearing so many reports from communities across america. every skin color, every socioeconomic condition. i think it is just absolutely amazing. president trump's america demonstrates that people matter, americans matter, and we can get through a terrible pandemic. people were saying that they didn't know what the president is doing, what he was thinking. he was thinking we need to go through this. we need to recover from this. thank goodness the economy was pretty strong when covid hit. if it had not been, under the trump administration, it would be much worse than this today. >> melissa: juan? >> juan: obviously were in a critical moment as we are on the air, as we have negotiations among republicans about whether or not you're going to get unemployment benefits extensions coming forward as some of those benefits and is very weak, melissa. that is a difficult moment, and i don't think people see president trump as having promoted the idea that we have to act with some sense of urgency to make sure that people who are out of work as a result of the pandemic, not as a result of any lethargy or lack of interest, are protected during these very difficult economic times. the whole notion of race in this moment in this political campaign is central, especially after the death of george floyd and after the events even of this past weekend where we saw so much unrest on the streets of america. when you ask people why you're out there, especially the people who are involved in some of the more violent activities we've seen, they say they are opposed to the idea of a president who is sending out anonymous federal forces, their faces covered, no i.d., using violent means to somehow suppress protests. , and they are stirred up in opposition to this president. this is what we are going to have to work through, because it's the reality on our streets as we approach the november election. >> alveda: with all due respect -- >> melissa: they are not anonymous. we know they are dhs. go ahead, alveda. >> alveda: with all due respect to juan, the president is working to suppress people in masks breaking into our homes, breaking into our stores, burning down our businesses. he is small businesses and people to continue get help. he's open with medicine, with the economy, with public safety. even during the 1960s, and you had to be there to see, martin luther king jr. even said, if the media doesn't come in and if the armed guards don't command, we are going to all die. martin luther king jr. said that. we even in the '60s had to have that type of protection. no, that's not desirable, but the alternative is to just let everybody burn, loot, tear up, kill, and destroy? is not a good strategy. the president knows that. >> melissa: juan, do you want to respond to that? >> juan: you are, thank you. the concert she it pretty clear, the tenth amendment, that local and state authorities have the first responsibility in terms of protecting us, the american people, and keeping us safe. those local officials have not asked the president for assistance. they may have asked for help in terms of solving murders, dealing with some of the gang activities across the state lines and the like. not in terms of these demonstrations. that's where you see the response coming from some of the agitators. not to mention over the weekend there were reports of white supremacists infiltrating some of these marches to stir up trouble. again, to remote the type of violence we can all sit here and condemn. you have to understand the roots of it. it is sad that it's become politicized. >> alveda: but, juan, nancy pelosi said let the people do what you do. you just let them burn and tear up everything paid oh, my goodness, juan... >> juan: i don't think ms. pelosi said that. >> alveda: she did. >> melissa: okay, juan. you make the point that is up to local officials to keep control over what is going on. do you think that is what they are doing in portland? do you think that local officials have failed in the duty that you described that they are supposed to be doing? >> juan: again, i think they respond to local voters who have to make a decision. melissa, tear point, there were 50 plus days of ongoing protest in portland. what you are hearing from authorities in the state of oregon as they felt it was contained and it wasn't a bother to anybody. a very small area of the city of portland. since the federal agents have come in, it has more or less become explosive and far more violent. i think that is why you see, and some of the cities, the local police are not going to participate, not going to do it. they don't want it. and even the mayor of chicago, lori lightfoot, and kansas city, they say "we don't need federal agents to somehow contest protesters." >> melissa: can we look at the screen here? >> harris: absolutely. that doesn't mean we will continue on with our conversation, because it was important, necessary, and interesting. so is what is in the center of your screen. we don't want to miss this. we are told they will now be nearing and crossing by the mlk memorial. this route has taken them from joint base andrews airport to this point. we knew it would take about 30 minutes. they've been on time, pretty much give or take a few. but this is such a beautiful scene, entering washington, d.c. i remember, as a child, we lived in fairfax outs of the district, but my dad was stationed in the pentagon, support of the joint chiefs of staff. when you come into this perspective, it is so calming to see all of the green this time of year, and you see people standing by to take in the motorcade. as the late representative, john lewis, comes into view. near the mlk memorial, for a last time. we call it a home-going in the black community, and this is part of going home. alveda, your thoughts? >> alveda: i believe that, during the lifetime of congressman john lewis, a friend of our family, a leader in the community, as you speak, harris, it's almost surreal. there is his coffin, covered by a flag at certain times during the ceremony, the united states flag. there is his body, going to be placed, and that obviously meant a lot to him. whether it's outside, the greenery, all of that, people are taking all of this in. what must our young people be thinking? they have to be thinking, what does this mean? what is my world going to be like in the next few years? i really hope they take the time to find out about the courage, the fortitude, the peacefulness, of the peaceful warrior, john lewis. i totally didn't agree with politics. i'll be honest about that. but that didn't keep me from admiring him, those qualities in those characteristics. we are going to have to have more of that nonviolence. he certainly exemplified that. i tear up a little bit. as i said, my dad was on that bridge, too, and others. it is very special as that is happening. >> harris: you know, as we watch this, the motorcade now passing by mlk's memorial. they'll take a pause, they will go next to the lincoln memorial. we are watching this happen in real time, and i may have mentioned a few minutes ago, we have notes on this. we have the whole itinerary. as things change, we try to keep up. but this moment is driven by something that alveda mentioned some time ago. it's driven by love. love for a country, loved by those who are in the motorcade, the family behind in that large black bus. it is driven by the love in the hope that they shared as children. you hear alveda talk about this, and her family was also on that edmund pettus bridge that bloody sunday on march 7th, 1965. we talk about the love it's going to take to get us to go forward. as you see this pause in washington, d.c., outside the mlk memorial, it is also about the love that dr. king had when he met 18-year-old john lewis and shored him up at a time when he needed it. he was trying to get into tri-state college, and all-white college at the time, and everybody including the college was saying no, by the way. but dr. king saw something in him. that love, in those moments, made such a difference for congressman john lewis that he became the leader that he was. not just that love, but that was all part of it. now they move again. next, pause or stop, and we will follow them as i put my notes down because i realize there is no mention for how long they will pause or what they will say. we don't know. but we are right there in this moment together as america. juan, what are your thoughts? >> juan: you know, harris, i just love what you said about that word, love. i think this is a showing of love to the late congressman. it is just so uplifting. it is a wonderful moment in our american life. the child that dr. king called "the boy from troy," growing up as a child of cotton farmers, sharecroppers out in alabama, in troy, alabama, not only made it to school, but then made his way to the halls of congress. he fought for voting rights, and those voting rights took a fellow georgian -- remember, black votes were so central to jimmy carter's victory in '76. ten years later, to his own victory, to john lewis' victory to become a member of the united states congress. as you are watching, harris, keep in mind, the king memorial is right next to the fdr memorial. diagonal to that is thomas jefferson across the tidal basin, and then, if you extend that diagonal and the other direction, it's the lincoln memorial, where they are going now. you think about how much history is there in terms of president lincoln, the civil war, the end of slavery, and then you think about even beyond that, thomas jefferson and the expression of all men being created equal, and the right to pursue liberty, justice. this is such a wonderful moment for america, to see that the boy from troy can rise up and stand with these giants of american history. >> harris: we are rounding our way around this one circle here, and you will see briefly, if the cameras can capture it, the lincoln memorial. again, we don't know what they will do. we don't know if they will take a short pause, they will stop as they did at mlk and spend a moment or two, or longer. but that is what's next. you know, kennedy, alveda said something i thought was so important, and i spoke with senator tim scott in our earlier coverage this morning when the t-32 that had landed carrying congressman lewis' casket hit the tarmac and families started to gather around. senator scott was talking about, "we didn't agree on politics, but we agreed on everything that mattered in life." >> kennedy: that's a great point. as you see these poignant images, abraham lincoln, when you're talking about tearing statues down, now taking a moment to honor lincoln and that legacy, and people like john lewis stood on the shoulders of giants, and he himself became a giant of the civil rights movement and fought his entire life. i want to touch on something evita said about young people watching this. i think about my daughter's. it's a very solemn day, but it also the time for thinking about, "old my legacy be? what is the one thing i want to fight passionately for and dedicate my life to?" and that is how you hold up the images and the accomplishments of someone like congressman john lewis. what he did, what he fought for. while you were talking about the struggles he had as a young man, kids can't conceive of that today. they think of tough times are when the internet is out. try going to an all-white lunch counter and being beaten up by police and arrested over 40 times. it is remarkable what one human being can accomplish and the effects they can have on so many different lives. >> harris: and a stop now, lincoln memorial, as kennedy rounds out some beautiful words and reminds us of what this day means together. you know, melissa, as the motorcade goes on now, it will next go to the black lives matter plaza. that's on the schedule. again, we are watching what is unfolding today. you are seeing more and more people, you would see people out gathering their lunch. everybody is social distancing and in masks and what not today. so the scene is often different. these people have their cameras up, and they are capturing this moment from their own perspective. >> melissa: yeah. i level juan had to say about the journey, and the idea of where john lewis started, and having this be the final homecoming. really, showing what is possible in america, and what is possible in a lifetime, what is possible without violence. i almost feel like every generation has to relearn that lesson, that they think no one is listening, no one is listening, no one wants change. it's time for violence. and that's always been the temptation. if you want to have a lasting impact, over a whole lifetime, where you can make a journey like john lewis did, and you can have so many people -- so many people are touched by this journey today, even if they don't necessarily agree with his politics. they still love and mourn him and very much respect the journey that he was willing to take to bring america forward. that is just undeniable. what a message to those who may feel disenfranchised, put upon, ignored, today. to look at this as an example, going forward, of how you can make a real, lasting and enduring difference. >> harris: so, i mentioned the black lives matter plaza is next up and our schedule. of course, that was congressman john lewis' final public appearance that we know about, and that was on the black lives matter plaza on june 7th, just this year. alveda, we may not remember word for word everything that was said over an entire lifetime of representative john lewis, but it was on that day that he reminded us, much as this conversation has talked about, too, here on "outnumbered," about the unending possibilities when you lead with something other than violence. and seemed to be talking directly to those young people. that we've been speaking about this hour, that will inherit the responsibility and the calls for vision for a better america going forward. >> alveda: i want to say to them people again -- i do agree with you, and i believe you're correct. that is the last public appearance he made, and young people, i'm speaking specifically, there is a black lives matter organization, and there is a black lives matter movement. they are two different things entirely. that's a little homework, you can study and find out the differences. bring all of these issues, we have them. a little history note, do you remember when martin luther king's statue was going be dedicated and there was an earthquake and a hurricane in washington, d.c., and the lincoln memorial split? we watched people trying to tear down statues, do this, do that, but that was an act of nature, a forceful thing. history can be fragile. but the most important thing, the strongest thing that remained after congressman lewis' visit was that we remembered he was the peaceful warrior, and we loved him. we love, we move forward, we do not study , we learned so we don't have to see it again. i think something else learned from the congressman. >> harris: we have some homework to do now. the alveda has given us the moment today. kennedy gave us some, too. "what will my legacy be?" she says, for every young person is asking for themselves what needs to happen next. what will my own legacy be? kennedy, i wrote it down. i want to say that to my 13-year-old when i get off the air today. we are watching now, next stop is black lives matter plaza, and the homework that alveda invites everybody to do is to know the difference between the blm movement and the organization. and there it is. this is just down from the white house, and our correspondent, david spunt, is standing by. phyllis end. >> this was another street in washington, d.c., now it is black lives matter plaza. as mentioned, this is the last place where congressman john lewis made a public appearance on june 7th. think about that for a second, that is just extraordinary. a man who live such a life, he didn't know it would be his final appearance, obviously, but he came out here, he had stage four pancreatic cancer, he was immune compromised, came out in the middle of the pandemic with a mask on, to meet people come see people. we are told the motorcade will be coming up, black lives matter making a left in front of st. john's church. basically just stopping and reflecting a little bit on what's going on. this is something that is significant. we are also told, harris, that d.c. mayor muriel bowser is going to stop and talk to john miles lewis. that is john lewis' young son, and present him with a black lives matter sign that is hanging up, a copy of the black lives matter sign. that will be happening momentarily here at black lives matter plaza. this is the last place that the congress made a public appearance, june 7th. >> harris: david, thank you for being on the ground for us today and taking us inside and outside of what's happening now, as they pull up. you can see the hazards flashing. david, i hear music in the background. i mean, is this something that was organized for people to be there? they obviously knew that the motorcade would come by. we knew that. it has been broadcast. i'm just wondering, what are the messages around you? what are people saying? >> it's a very somber tone. what is interesting, harris, this is not advertised to the masses that the motorcade was going to stop here. there's not as many people as you might expect where you might see at the capitol. glass hours we started to see several hundred people come up hear, hear as word started to spread. excuse my mask. that the congressman thought he would come by here. there's definitely a lot of music, a lot of reflection. people just sitting and waiting to honor congressman lewis. i spoke to a family from oklahoma. they just happen to be walking by and said, "what's going on commit" the body of john lewis would be passing by here in about an hour. they said, "we are going to wait." despite the fact that it's 103 degrees outside, they will wait. it's important to us, harris. >> harris: 103. i don't know if you can -- can you give the motorcade? are they close enough to you? >> we don't hear the motorcade quite yet. it's going to be coming -- i'm at a vantage point, kind of at a distance coastal to the white house. if something happens, i know we have different cameras on the ground. feel free to interrupt me, because i know mayor bowser will be down where more of the people are, and we have cameras point on that. she'll be presenting that sign to the late congressman's young son, john miles, assign, a street sign, that says "black lives matter plaza." >> harris: we are going to stay with you for just a moment, but also fold in our team here on "outnumbered." melissa, you and i have witnessed a lot of big days together on this program, as far as somber occasions, we know what that feels like and looks like. this is also a celebration. the celebration of a life that really made such difference in america. >> melissa: it is. the difference in feeling is palpable, especially when you hear different people talk about what this means to them. you go back and you reflect on that bloody down the bridge. he made a point that touched me so much, the idea that in so many pictures john lewis had his hands in his pockets. just what he was willing to give, risk, and sacrifice in order to help other people to risk his own life and his own personal safety. how that turned into a great lifetime. this is a time where really need that sort of symbolism. if we can come together and remember and celebrate what his life meant, it would continue that legacy. it means it's not over. this is a continuation of that legacy. that what he fought for and what he meant did not die with him, but instead continued to inspire, be celebrated, and potentially unify, which is something we need so much right now. this is exactly what we need right now. a unifying inspirational peaceful message of what can be accomplished with so much work left to be done. this can bring us together and show us the way. >> harris: such important words that you speak. we are watching now that the motorcade has come to a halt, and the hearse carrying the casket of congressman john lewis stops. those people who have gathered to pay their respects. let's listen. ♪ [inaudible conversations] >> harris: stopped at the blm plaza now, there is an motorcade for representative john lewis. as i said before, during our coverage, we wouldn't know the length of time or how long a pause might go. if there would be music, people playing. this is our third stop. we have been already to the mlk memorial, and then to lincoln memorial. on this beautiful -- i consider every day glorious and a gift, but particularly on this monday, a beautiful one. alveda, the niece of dr. martin luther king jr., is with us today. alveda king. alveda, this is a more prolonged stop. what goes through your mind? >> alveda: wil as they were approaching, it was a little different, and then it went into "amazing grace," and that negro spiritual. the man who rode it was a slav slaver, he owned slaves, and he repented. he spent the rest of his life serving because he said god had saved his soul and shown him how long he had been. i think that is a fitting musical tribute right there. that is that link that we need, and the love of god publicly. i am sensing and believing that. the most remarkable thing about congressman john lewis, he was the peaceful warrior. he was a nonviolent warrior. those are the things that we can certainly agree on. that is what i'm thinking about during this very poignant mome moment. >> harris: juan, another stop now in the same location, blm. this is the largest cardiff scene i always like to point out the faces in the crowd. it's important this be about the american people in this moment, as well. there is such diversity in what we see, and i mean in terms of the ages of the people who are there, in terms of how they are addressed. some work in corporate-li, some not. it's a very hot day. they are all together, and something that we have not seen in the 1950s and '60s. such a diverse crowd in terms of race and culture. that has been throughout the protesting, by the way. among the peaceful protesters, this is not 1955. we are literally together. juan? >> juan: