Will not allow portland to become the new c. H. O. P. Like what we saw in seattle. Harris meanwhile, oregons two Democratic Senators are among the sponsors of a bill that would block what they call federal paramilitary applicatiooccupation. Even as portlands sides 54th street night of tense protesting. Just last night, portlands mayor joined five others in demanding that federal agents stay out of their cities, and they sent letters to the administration and congressional leaders about it. Here is new york city mayor bill de blasio a short time ago. This president blisters and bluffs and says hes going to do things and they never materialize, on a regular basis. First, we should not overrate his statements. If you try to do it, it would only create more problems. It would backfire, it would make us safer. We would even take action in court to stop it. Harris youre watching outnumbered. Im harris faulkner. Here today, fox news correspondent gillian turner. Senior editor at the federalist and fox news contributor, mollie hemingway. Fox news contributor, Jessica Tarlov. In the center seat, former White House Press secretary for president george w. Bush and also a fox news contributor, Ari Fleischer is with us. Good to see everybody today. Ari, it will begin with you. Why in the world with these mayors take such a position that prevents them from cleaning up what is going on in their citi cities . Ari harris, this is a tragedy unfolding. We are watching the breakdown of the american society. It began, frankly, in minneapolis when the mayor of minneapolis allowed the third precinct to be sacked. From that moment forward, the protesters watched on tv, the looters and the vandals and the rioters thought, its okay, authority will back down. That incited people across the country. Portland and seattle have long been hotbeds of this type of violence. It started in the late 90s when bill clinton was in office in seattle, if you recall. The mayors would rather practice summers of love, radical love, as they would call it, then do what they are supposed to do to protect society and ensure public safety. Its a breakdown in responsibility by those in charge. Harris jessica . Jessica i dont disagree what ari is saying about the c. H. O. P. District in seattle. I was extremely critical of the decisions mayor jenny durkan made there. But its a little bit more complex than these are failures of positions of power, especially as kayleigh and President Trump like to point out all the time, there is a vast overreach here going on where the president has often authorized and dhs sent and people in unmarked uniforms, in vans that are also unmarked, rounding up people that are, in a lot of cases, peacefully protesting. Yes, there was looting, but we need to look at the images of the weekend, for instance, mothers against police brutality, standing linking arms to protect. All my protesters from these people in military gear with tanks behind them in portland. You look at that and you say, this president is wildly out of touch with whats going on in america today. I would say if he wants to run a campaign on la and order, he should look at the numbers. Only 1 say crime is number one issue to them, and biden actually leads by 4942 . The administration is out of touch here. It doesnt mean there arent things wrong, but it is a vast overreach. Harris all right, mollie . Mollie i actually do have a motherinlaw from portland, and she is an oregonian who is absolutely horrified by the violence in portland. Its true that the mayor there seems to think that he can declare a rule of law free zone, but there are important federal functions that take place in portland and other cities, as well. One thing, as ari pointed out, if minneapolis allows their own precinct to fall. There is the Marco Hatfield federal courthouse in downtown portland. Thats the role the federal government has to play, and protecting federal poverty, federal personnel, and frankly restoring rule of law is constitutional obligation, not a threat. Its something the vast majority of americans are horrified by looking at, yes, whats happening in democratic cities and democratic haverun states not preserving the rights of american citizens. Harris you know, gillian, last night i interviewed deputy secretary of dhs ken cuccinelli. I filled in for martha maccallum, my honor to do that for my friend. He told me detail about the identifying process. You heard jessica talking previously about how these federal agents forgive me if i dont get exactly what you said right, jessica, but what i heard you say is they show up in these unidentified vehicles and you cant tell who they are. Well, the deputy secretary, gillian, told me that is simply untrue in terms of them identifying themselves. He talked in detail about the markings on them, about specific numbers, not a lesso less incomh is something Alexander AcostaAlexander Acosta court has asked for, but an identifying number that is very specific if you want to try and find that individual. They are pulling someone into custody, whatever word you want to use with that, the person of interest over whatever it is, that they want to identify themselves that person, not the way to perimeter people standing by. I want to get out into the conversation is that your topline thoughts, gillian. Gillian harris, great interview last night. I touched based about the interview with a few republican sources this morning who told me that, from a political perspective, this is a fairly interesting development. They are increasingly inclined to believe that, publicly, President Trump has very little to gain from speaking out and getting involved in these mayors decisions to allow violence, looting, and writing to continue in some of the countrys major cities. They say the problem is that he doesnt have authority to quell the violence. At the end of the day, if things continue to go pear shaped, he is going to get the blame for this when he doesnt really have full authority. Bill mcgurn made a strong point, of the wall street journal, on our air this morning. He cited the pottery barn rule. You break it, you buy it. Why would he have to risk paying the political price for this violence when he can sit back, send in Law Enforcement behind the scenes, and allow things to play out . Harris as a woman who spends an inordinate amount of time shopping online at pottery barn, i should be able to answer that question. [laughter] im being facetious. Lets go to mayor ted wheeler, who is continuing in portland. Watch this. We didnt ask for these troops in these cities, we dont want this trip in our cities the tactics they are using are very unamerican. Everyone should pay punched in the, they are coming to our city, they are in unmarked vans, they pull people off the streets, they dont necessarily have probable cause, and they dont actually identify who they are to the people they are pulling into the vans. There are some really serious constitutional issues here. Harris wow, it sounds like Jessica Tarlov may have been watching some of that interview, because thats almost word for word what you were talking about. Jessica, now that weve gotten on the record from the deputy secretary of dhs, when these individuals identify themselves, does that change the scope . It sounds like what ted wheeler is saying, they dont want them there because they dont know exactly who they are. Well, thats easy to figure out now if you stand one still across from the other. You, me, that individual, in that garb with those logos and that identifying number and everything else. Its not just a Generic Police as some people have said. If thats the only problem, lets take some pictures. Lets show them how they are marked and lets roll on now and get the streets cleaned up. Its thats all that necessary . Jessica i dont think thats all thats necessary, i would love body cams to be use as they should be on all our Police Officers and make sure we do know, if its a number that identifies them, that they make it clear what they are arresting someone for and we know exactly who they are. I dont think it solves the problem and im really thankful for the insight gillian provided from republicans that are openly concerned, or at least enough to talk to a reporter, about the fact that President Trump is making this the centerpiece of the conversation right now. It is an overreach. Republicans and democrats are saying that. Mayor whaley brought up the issue of the constitutionality of this. When i see small government republicans backing up a president saying, im going to go into cities all over this country, roll in there and round up these protesters, we saw how that worked out for him in Lafayette Park when he had people tear guessing people, its not going to work. It is unamerican. Harris i just want to hit pause real quickly so we can get ari in there. He said republicans, and you have worked in the white house as press secretary. Now were getting into not just messaging, which is your lane, ari, so much, but your expertise in knowing, looking at the strategy of things in the polling and knowing what really works for a president. Ari i make a to sink in between protecting federal facilities, as mollie pointed out. Courthouses have a vital position in peoples everyday lives. He have to protect it for the federal police if you can protect it through the local police. Theres a distinction between going to neighborhoods on the southside of chicago where crime is rampant in the federal government has a lot Less Authority to go in there and protect people from the violence. What i would do as president , President Trump should give a message to the moms in chicago, the grandmas of chicago. Say, have you had enough . If you want your children, your teenagers, your babies to be protected, call for us. Tell the mayor, let the federal government come in. He and sister that pot and make clear that he and the federal government can protect those lives. But i am so sick and tired of people in positions of authority, and responsibility, including journalists, turning their backs on the poor. Turning their backs on the needy, on those who are most susceptible to violence. I grew up in new york city when it was a violent place, and i was really little kid. Nobody should have to go through this, and no one is doing anything to help those poor people. The president has a real opportunity to be on the side of the month or less and the grandmas. Harris you know, mollie, i mentioned as we were hitting the conversation started, those 49 Police Officers who were injured in chicago, as we go on and on, night after night, with struggle and problems. I dont hear a lot of people talking about the police side of things. I know where this started with george floyd, even before that. We have problems in some Police Departments in america and we have to deal with those problems. An attack and ambush, as its been described, on that many Police Officers getting injured, it is mindblowing. Mollie well, this is something thats happened in cities across the country, including in Lafayette Square in washington, d. C. , where dozens of police were injured and treated for injuries, some of them hospitalized with head injuries, and what many people in the media and other supporters of the protests claim are peaceful protests. Rule of law is the thing that binds us all together. When rule of law breaks down, it harms everybody. It harms citizens living their lives in cities across the country, and it harms Police Officers whose job it is to protect the citizens. Im not hearing enough people talk about the importance of preserving rule of law and understanding that, when we have these breakdowns, as we are seeing in cities across the country, how about that is for the health of civil society. Harris i just got an email from one of our cohorts here at fox news, he is a fabulous correspondent, national correspond with us, william la jeunesse. Thank you, william, for watching the show. He said, harris, nobodys talking about this. When Law Enforcement surges to a city, they rent cars. Tactical teams, vans, that sort of thing. Thats one of the reasons they dont put their exact names on the uniforms. Its called doxxing. Weve seen that across social media where information will be put out on social media and its dangerous. I just add that to the conversation, because i think its at least worth considering, as aoc, as she is called, the congresswoman alexandria ocasiocortez, and others are calling for so much specificity more so than what is offered now about identification. Gillian, i want to get your last thought on that real quick. Gillian sure. Well, i spent a lot of time in the last few weeks covering the protests here in washington at black lives matter plaza and over at the emancipation memorial two weeks ago. I saw Unmarked Police vehicles that were actually pretty easily identifiable at both sites. Its happening in the nations capital. A quick. 2 add onto what molly said, shes exactly right that line order is what binds us as americans, but a lot of americans, including the 1526000000 that a been protesting since memorial day would say that the original sin, the original instance in which law and order broke down, is whn george floyd was murdered on th. Just to refrain here from an alternative perspective. Spew in minneapolis. We will move on. Time running out for millions of unemployed americans as Top White House officials in congress are meeting today to try and put together a new Coronavirus Relief bill. Where negotiation stand, at this hour. Plus, the couple who pointed their guns at protesters in their gated community is now facing a felony rap. Why state leaders called a political prosecution and why what they say theyll do about it. This prosecutors totally out of control. Really, this is an abuse of power. You want to know what an abuse of power looks like . This is a textbook example. 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Louis top prosecutor after she slapped felony charges on the couple who pointed guns at protesters who were marching outside their home. The june 28th incident became a flash point in the National Debate over social justice and police brutality. The state attorney general, however, is calling it a political prosecution and promising to have the charges against mark and Patricia Mccloskey dismissed. In announcing those charges, prosecutor kim gardner says, it is illegal to waive weapons in a threatening manner. That is unlawful in the city of st. Louis. Meanwhile, missouri governor mike parsons told hannity he would pardon the mccloskeys without a doubt. Ari, is this a Second Amendment issue or Something Different . Ari this all flows from the previous discussion about what happens when society starts to break down. When there is violence on the street, people get protective. They get protective of their families, of their homes, of everything they worked a lifetime to earn, to keep paid when a mob goes by, even if theb may turn out to be peaceful, you dont know. When you watch on tv and we see the violence, we think it wont take much for her to come to me. This is why the Second Amendment is there, so people can have the weapons they need to protect themselves. In this specific instance, i always try to be very circumspect about weighing in on a specific criminal matter. Unless your witness, you dont know all the facts, you dont know all the information. You have to have faith in the process that justice will prevail. As a general broad matter, people have a right to protect their home. Harris you know, i get so tempted to ask the question, because i am so curious. About what would happen if, as ari describes it, that crowd looked like others weve seen that is so violent, would we be questioning the mccloskeys right now, mollie . Mollie missouri law does protect the right of its citizens to protect their own lives and property, so you have the situation where cities are not taking care of their citizens, and then persecuting and prosecuting the people who take matters into their own hands. Kim gardner is pretty radical even by current democratic standards, and i think she has a primary coming up and might be trying to score political points. But this is just an inappropriate politicization of our legal apparatus, and it is something we see in cities and also that weve seen at the federal level. You shouldnt use the legal system to go after political opponents just because these people made the city of st. Louis look bad, because clearly the theory of atomic city of st. Louis had let law at or to break down to the point where the people felt compelled to do this. This is a group that did break down a gate to come to these peoples house, and that is something i dont think has been well discussed in this situation. Harris you know what i pray to we get to, gillian . A place where they can ask, do you all mean us harm . Theres no conversation right now