Hit the former Vice President over the latest disclosure and e involved should pay a price. He said he didnt know anything about it, and now it just gets released right after he said that. It gets released that he was one of the unmaskers. Meaning he knew everything about it. Harris meanwhile, the Biden Campaign is hitting back, saying, all normal procedures were followed. Its telling that these documents were selectively leaked by republicans abusing their congressional powers to act as arms of the Trump Campaign, after having them provided by a partisan official installed for this very purpose. Youre watching outnumbered. Im harris faulkner. Here today, melissa francis. Town hall editor and fox news contributor, katie pavlich. Fox news contributor, jessica tarlov. In the center seat, there he is with her stomach with a very fine hanky pocket thingy, anchor and executive editor of special report, bret baier is outnumbered today. Good to see you. Bret hey, how are you . Harris im great you know, its interesting to see how this is all unfolding and very quickly. Both sides accusing the other in terms of theiming. Why is that significant . Bret well, the timing of this, obviously when the unmasking happens and i know everybody has been following this on this channel, but there are people who dont really fully get it, who just tune in every once in a while. It is basically a request that has to be made through the Intelligence Community to unmask, reveal the name of someone, an american, who is kind of swept up in a wiretap that is ongoing with a foreign element. The unmasking of that name. Understand they dont understand who the name is. Thats where the pushback is coming from. Democrats say this is a normal event. Its not normal, it was very close to the inauguration of President Trump. Harris the timing. Bret potentially, its the leak of the information to the Washington Post. David ignatius, the opinion writer who does the story first. Harris you know what . I want to just kind of lean and a little bit on that, because the wall street Journal Editorial Board wrote this. Lets put this up on the screen. While unmasking isnt illegal, as bret just said, leaking intelligence is. Joe bidens unmasking request was made on january 12, 2017, the day the Washington Post reported on the flynn russia conversation. Mr. Biden has some explain them to do. Again, thats the wall street editorial board. The wall street journal. Jessica, what do you say about this . Jessica i say that the Trump Campaign and the president himself would rather be talking about this than the 83,000 americans who died of coronavirus. I do believe that he wants this to be an election issue. Its a red meat rallying cry for his base that loves russiagate, now you have obamagate, so the president himself couldnt answer when asked by a reporter what the actual crime was committed was. Melissa oh, i can. Jessica okay, well, what was the car that was committed here, melissa . Melissa leaking classified information to the Washington Post. That is what is the crime, and thats what was illegal. You have president obama saying to his holdovers, after they leave, that they should consider not sharing information with the president. This is not our system works. I think, at the very least because you kind of dodged harris question, they are at the least, joe biden needs to answer the question on the day e requested that unmasking, the day that the Washington Post released that story. Were you the source . Were you the one that leaked it . If you wear, thats illegal. Jessica am actually completely im fine with joe biden answering that question. I think there is a 0 chance, maybe a 1 chance that the Vice President of the United States of america called the David Ignatius to leak a story like that. The timing is critical, based on new information we have about when the unmasking request are made. Were actually three week dominic weeks prior to the call between Michael Flynn and the Russian Ambassador kislyak. This was middecember. Was this something going on in the middle east . Some other Foreign Policy issue . We are moving into a world where were talking about Michael Flynn as the victim of a deep state conspiracy instead of acknowledging that this man, a three star general knows better than to lie to the fbi and to lie to the Vice President of the United States of america, did that. He was working with the turks, first of all. A violation issue. Then he also got a sweetheart deal from the mueller team, because he admitted that he lives in that hes guilty. If they want to make the election about leaking to the Washington Post, go ahead. Its about health care, and the 83,000 americans who already have lost their lives. Harris okay. Jessica, im going to step in with joe biden. On tuesday he was asked about what he knew about the flynn investigation. Initially saying he knew nothing before changing his tune when pressed further. Lets watch and then katie, i will come to you. I know nothing about those moves to invest get Michael Flynn, number one. Number two, this is all about the version. This is the game this guy plays all the time. You said you didnt know anything about it, but you are reported to be at a january 25th, 2017 meeting where you and the president were briefed on the fbis plan to question him over the questions he had with the Russian Ambassador kislyak. I thought you asked me whether or not i had anything to do with him being prosecuted. Im sorry. I was aware that there was that they asked for an investigation. But that is all i know about it. Harris katie, my one observation here is that joe biden better get ready. He is going to be asked about this. He is going to be asked about it. His argument is a weak one. Its not a diversion to ask questions about why the Obama Administration was talking about withholding information from the Incoming Administration and, quite frankly, asking questions about meetings that came to fruition during the transition that later, looking back, were used to develop plans into the future, about how to harm the Incoming Trump administration. If you want to talk about timelines, lets talk about timelines. In december, the fbi was told that there was no derogatory information found on flynn because they were listening to his phone calls. On january 4th, the case was supposed to be closed and peter strzok said, keep it open, the seventh floor is involved. That is code for fa director james comey. The next day, on january 5th, james comey went to the white house and had a meeting with barack obama, the former cia director john brennan, dni clapper, susan rice, joe biden, and the Deputy Attorney general sally yates, and after that meeting you had obama was he informed her that Michael Flynn was being listened to, and then january 12th rolls around, joe biden makes this unmasking request that shows up in the Washington Post, and on january 24th the fbi agents, after flynn was cleared with no derogatory information, were sent by james comey after this meeting in the oval office going around all the protocols to ask flynn questions after writing notes, do you want to get him to lie . Are we trying to prosecute him . Are we trying to get them fired . There is a timeline here. One more thing, if you extrapolate that out to what was said during the russia investigation, people like john brennan used information from the transition period to accuse the administration of doing things that they werent doing. Which is why his security clearance was pulled. Harris its really interesting. We were up when she was some of these documents are what we would call, in layman terms, the receipts. Thats what people are looking at. We are watching this, too, it is breaking news right now. Lets step in for a distant second. Fox news alert on this, the top doctor formally tasked with leading the agency in charge of finding a covid19 vaccine is testifying on capitol hill right now. We are streaming live on foxnews. Com. The entire hearing. We wanted to show you a portion of it here with some commentary, because its important to put this breaking news into perspective. The warning our window of opportunity is closing came from this doctor. He said if we fail to improve our response right now based on science, the pandemic will be, in his words, greatly compounded. Bret . Bret this is a significant testimony today. Obviously it has long history in the job he was in. The president calls him a disgruntled employee, but whether hes that or not, he does have a lot of experience and hes telling a story about not being prepared for this pandemic. This is potentially politically damaging for the president as he is talking about trying to get a handle on the Health Crisis and open up around the country. He is not discredited easily, this rick breit. In fact, his whistleblower report was very detailed to the point where the federal government itself said that he had standing to make this testimony. I think its one worth watching today. Democrats obviously will pounce on this as an example of the administration dropping the ba ball. Harris you know, bret, from the very beginning and i watched just how things got started, because im always curious to know kind of the opening remarks, take the tone in the room. It seemed like there was some grandstanding. I know thats going to shock you, right . Partisan . [laughs] but it was kind of an odd thing, because it was set up that way. Then he gave this statement. I know how these things go. There were some complaints that there werent name tags there, and it was really kind of chippy in the beginning. Bret yeah, and that doesnt help him making his case. Harris no. Hes also represented by the lawyer who represented Christine Blasey ford when she came forward. All of the factors in. Where he was in the job, he would be able to see what was happening behind the scenes. Unless there is some other counterpoint to what hes saying, there is substance to his testimony. Harris one of the things he has pointed out from his perspective is that we still have not caught up on personal protection equipment, that ppe. Just moments ago he was talking about this on the hill. Lets watch that section. I would never forget the emails i received, indicating that n95 respirators apply. He said, we are in deep the world is. We need to act. I push that forward to the highest levels i could and hhs. I got no response. Harris bret, how do you read this . I mean, hes got a job of going there and saying what he saw what he heard as a socalled whistleblower. Tell me about how that room reacts. The room that you know well, those lawmakers. What are they looking for from him . Bret listen, from a partisan perspective, democrats are looking for the need to continue the attack on the indentation, saying they arent getting things done, werent from the beginning, and are now. Republicans are looking for substance about where we are now, i think. Possibly looking to discredit something he says. But also some of the questioning so far has been about where we go from here. Its a different motivation. A lot of times, with these hearings. We have seen theres a lot of speechifying from all of the lawmakers. Harris [laughs] you are being kind. Bret that it will make an ad to somewhere. Harris real quickly, where do we go from here . Theres another audience for this. Not just the lawmakers in that room, but a wider audience. They can tune in on foxnews. Com and see the whole thing streamed live today. Thats the public. Which part do you think they are focused on . Knowing what happened or whats going happen . Bret whats going to happen. I think thats why they were focused on the fauci Senate Hearing the other day. Whats next . How do you get through this . Theres a lot of time to look backwards. We are in the middle of it now. I think theres a lot of people at home saying, when do i get to open up . Wind is the vaccine come . What is the deal with each of these decisions that right now our 50 states, that governors are making . Harris we hope were in the middle and outer the beginning. It would nice to be middle to end. We shall see. We will move on with this and continue to watch this and give an update a little later this hour. New jobless numbers are out right now, as the pandemic has put millions of additional americans out of work. The president says his critics want to use the economic fallout against him, but he vows better days are ahead. Whats going to happen is next year is going to be one of our best years. I feel we will transition in this third quarter. Fourth quarter is going be good. Next year is going to be incredible. Mortgage lows, at record one call to newday can save you 2000 a year. Its that simple. With their va streamline refi, theres no Income Verification or home appraisal. And this refi costs you absolutely nothing out of pocket. 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The people that want to see the right thing happen, they agree with me. We have to get our country open. You know, if it was up to some people, lets keep it close for a long time, okay . A long time. And watch the United States go down the tubes. Not going to happen. Melissa katie, what do you think . Is that fair criticism . Katie i think its fair criticism for the president to say that he believes some of these democrats are doing this for political purposes. After all, the economy was one of the top things of the president had going for him, and right now in an Election Year you have to question some of the motives that are not based on data of some of the democrats on capitol hill and even some of these democrats in states where facing opposition with their arbitrary executive orders to continue this. Lets not forget, not that hes not a representative, but bill maher famously said we need the economy to crash, even if people get hurt, because thats one thing you need to get President Trump out of office. I think joe biden has a very tall hill to climb when it comes to being able to prove, especially given the economy during the Obama Administration, that he is the guy for a job building an economy after pandemic. Certainly politics are at play, here. Melissa i want to read you a clip from an opinion piece in the New York Times from dr. Mcgarry, heep sr. On the show. As a physician, i firmly believe in the power of our reopening. Various mitigation can take many forms, ranging from effective to excessive. Extreme forms of mitigation can have diminishing returns. He started by saying, i believe in the primary goal of reopening should be to maximize the number of lives saved, but there are these other things they have to take into account at this point. Bret, with your reaction . Bret well, listen, the president thinks its political, but there are many republicans concerned about the Health Situation and reopening states, whether that has an effect at different points. I think it is worth him putting it in, the way he talks about it. For the most part, the governors are making a decision based on the stats they have. Collectively, weve seen numbers going down for the most part nationally. Thats a good thing. You follow somebody like scott gottlieb, former fda, head of the fda, saying the virus looks better today than it did just a few days ago. So, i dont think its a political thing in each one of these decisions. But clearly the president feels that some democrats are trying to drag it out to affect his campaign. He tweets that, too. Melissa vi. Jessica, to me it seems like peoples perspective is more colored by what immediate experience is in their community, rather than politics. We certainly know in some areas of the country it is the virus has taken over, and there are many people that are sick. And you know five, ten, 15 people who have gotten sick. In other parts of the country they are much more impacted, and they know more people are really hurting for financial reasons and few people that are hurting because of the sickness. That is whats come in my opinion, coloring peoples perspective. What is your thought . Jessica absolutely agree with you. We are seeing that in our own home state, melissa, here in new york. The experience in new york city is very different than upstate, which is why Governor Cuomo has phased plans that focus on regions. Ever governors do, as well. You are completely correct there. I think the problem is, and what people are responding too badly, is the moving of the goalpost. We saw this yesterday