A whitecollar investigation who is at a minimum a subject to go in for that kind of questioning when the prosecutors know the case top to bottom, backwards and forwards. By this time, keep in mind, we had already seen that bob muellers team had indicted several people for lying. And for obstructing the investigation. So i think, at the end of the day, that turns out to be i did not agree with a lot of the tactics of the president s lawyers during this investigation, but that was a brilliant strategic and tactical decision. I also believe that mueller would have taken a long time for bob mueller to have won a battle about whether or not they could subpoena the president for his testimony. By no means a slamdunk. Bill you are suggesting that decision not to testify, or to just give these written answers, saved the day . That alone did not save the day, because i dont think anybody is going to indict a sitting president. Why give yourself it certainly could have made for a much stronger impeachment case. Why put yourself in that kind of dangerous though my danger particularly when you are handing over the reins of contemporaneous notes about your own conversations . What strikes you is more indicative of intent . With the president said to don mcgann contemporaneously, or what he remembers six months later when bob mueller steam is questioning him . Sandra if you dont mind standing by, im going to bring Martha Maccallum back in. Martha, Rudy Giuliani began the interview saying that we are very happy. He called this a clear victory. We know that william barr is set to testify may 1st and 2nd, and now the house judiciary wants to hear from Robert Mueller himself by the end of may. Whether or not Robert Mueller ties to testify in front of congress will be one of the Interesting Data points to watch as this story unfolds. He has been completely behind the scenes for the entire twoyear course of this investigation, choosing to keep his wants to do that. Its another sort of you could say its somewhat of an arbitrary deadline that has been placed by the democratic majority in the house to ask him that he has to come by may 23rd. We will see whether or not he decides to do that. I just want to point to one every here, which is of interest. If you remember our coverage of this over the last two years, some of these salacious details that have floated around about these that were said to include the president. Untoward activity in moscow, back during the Miss Universe pageant. This is an interesting moment from that. On page 27, in volume two, which says that the president was briefed on it. As we know, by james comey in 2017. But theres a footnote on it that says that during the 2017 president ial campaign, a similar claim we have reached the president and it came through a russian businessman to Michael Cohen. And the text that was sent to Michael Cohen during the president s campaign said, stopped flow of tapes from russia, but not sure if there is anything else, just so you know. There was a text sent to Michael Cohen. Later, they spoke to the businessman who said he was told the tapes were fake but that he did not communicate that. That little moment in the history of all of this, where they were clearly people in russia who were trying to softep Michael Cohen when an sentiment summation. And perhaps lure him in. We know from that line, today, and from the original barr letter, that they found no collusion and no participation on the part of americans. But that there were concerted efforts on the part of russians to try and poke holes and find people who would be receptive to this kind of information and blew them into some kind of relationship. I think thats a pretty interesting indication that thats what was happening there with regard to Michael Cohen. Bill i would contribute this, martha looking at the questions and answers submitted on the behalf of the president , and Rudy Giuliani and jay sekulow are part of this, too he was not aware of can medications with tom jr. , Paul Manafort, jared kushner. He was not aware that any Foreign Government wish to support his campaign. He doesnt recall being provided with information of hacking before the media reported. No recollection of hacking about roger stone or regular contacts. That gives you a sense of how the question and answers were written, and you can see from the president back to bob mueller. Jerry nadler, he is going to chair this committee on the second of may, on the house side. Lindsey graham will chair the senate side on may 1st. Jerry nadler just shot out a tweet. I will read this, too. He says, this is why we needed to hear directly from special counsel bob mueller. If we had confidence after a thorough investigation that in fact the president clearly did not hes quoting, by the way, highlighting a section of the special counsel bob Mueller Reports. Based on the facts and the applicable legal standards, however, we are unable to reach a judgment. The evidence we obtain about the president s actions presents difficult issues that prevent us from conclusively saying that no committal conduct occurred. And he concludes this was the line and the barr letter going back to late march accordingly, while this report does not conclude the president committed a crime, it does not exonerate him. So that is the position of the Committee Chair in the house judiciary can do that we are getting a moment ago. Sandra martha, here we are. Over an hour now from when this more than 400page report was released to the public. Members of Congress Still going through this, we are starting to get some reaction. Obviously this is recess, and now what is next . We know we will hear from william barr, we dont know whether or not Robert Mueller will testify. But what are the coming days and weeks looking like . The coming days, as we pour through this report, are going to boil down to the same argument weve heard over the course of last two years. On the president s side we will hear them wanting to move on, getting back to his presidency. We heard in the interesting detail just how devastated he was by the news that there would be a special counsel. Clearly he understood in that moment that this was going to be dragged on into eternity for the entire first term, at least, of his presidency. On the democrat side you are going to have a drill down on these moments that were examined with regard to obstruction, over and over and over again. They will have to make a political decision as to whether or not they want to pursue impeachment based on those grounds, of what they say in those ten episodes, or whether or not they think this information is more useful to them in the 18 month that lead up to the president ial election in that way. One way or the other, they will use it. Bill you know what Speaker Pelosi said about the letter i word so far. Not going there. Bill im not sure our position has changed in recent days, either. But your point about how much longer this goes on, i think after today based on the democrats ruling the house, Jerry Nadlers position in judiciary, this is going to be with us through the campaign of 2020, martha. Absolutely. Just based on what nancy pelosi has said, i think they will find it more useful to them as a campaign element than they will in the respect of trying to turn the wheels of impeachment. They may regard that as a negative when they had into the election, and say, look, weve got a lot of stuff here we will use on the campaign trail, in ads, we will continue to hammer the president on his behavior over the course of all of these events. And thats going to be perhaps more useful. Bill thats a great point. Think about the enlightening question and answer that leslie stahl had nancy pelosi on 60 minutes on sunday night. The first 100 days, what have you gotten done . At some point they will have to answer to that. They absolutely will. And theyve got to turn to policy come off the American People something. We are the other night from Bernie Sanders that he wants to offer medicare for all. That is something that has gained a lot of traction among many of the candidates that are out there. We will continue to hear them get to policy, but still use the moments that they will contend, consider obstruction in this report to keep hammering against the president and who they see someone unfit for office. I also want to make one quick point on the fact that theyve decided to subpoena President Trump in order to question him. We were talking to saul weissberg about that decision it come about how the white house did not wanted to sit down. They were concerned it would be a perjury trap in there. But the ultimate decision also came to not press for that subpoena from the special counsel investigation. They said that ultimately we decided not to do so. We made the decision that in view of the substantial delay that such an investigation step would likely produce of the late stage of our investigation, we f all the evidence they had postcode and im paraphrasing. They had already gleaned the information they needed. They didnt want to put the president of the country through that because they felt they had already really ascertain the answer to the question that they would have asked him. Sandra 2020, the reaction, Amy Klobuchar just tweeting out, attorney general barr has made it clear he is not impartial. She writes, when it comes to this investigation. Now that we have the report we should hear from Robert Miller himself. In public hearings come our democracy demands it. Continuing with that theme of democrats calling for Robert Mueller to not testify. Just a quick thought on that, center, if i made the suggestion theres a big divide between barr and mueller is a conclusion that Many Democrats are jumping to that may not actually exist. I think that Rudy Giuliani hit the nail on the head when he talked about the team being divided on the number of issues, no doubt. But there is no indication that Robert Mueller that there is daylight between Robert Mueller and bill barr on this. If they think that Robert Mueller is going to sit down and it sort of tell them what they want to hear with regard to this report, i think its a leap of faith perhaps on their part. Sandra jim jordan just putting out a statement, as well. Has oversight raking member there. This is midway through his statement. One thing is clear today, the release of the Mueller Report, this sad chapter of american history, is behind us. You go back, bill, to the bottom line from william barr when he was speaking. It seems like a long time ago that had that press conference bottom line, two years of an investigation, thousands of subpoenas, hundreds of warrants, witness interviews, the special counsel confirms the russian government sponsored efforts to illegally interfere with the 2016 president ial election but did not find that the Trump Campaign or other americans colluded in those efforts, said william barr. Bill our team here in new york and also washington, d. C. , we are peeling through this as quickly as we can. One of the more intriguing things we are getting by way of email, staff and others, brian murphy says this. It has to do with a question and answer that Rudy Giuliani was referring to. The questions that were submitted on behalf of the special counsel and how they answered them. I went through a series of calls a moment ago. This was about the trump tower moscow project. Apparently the president find out about this in 2015. I will just read two lines. Sometime in 2015, Michael Cohen suggested the possibility of a Trump Organization project in moscow. It concludes i had few conversations with mr. Cohen on the subject. As i recall, they were brief and they were not memorable. Back to Andy Mccarthy who has been listening and riding shotgun in a legal sense so far today. Andy, come on back in the conversation paid whats important i think there actually is. I heard what martha said about about whether theres a divide between mueller and bari i think for a large part of investigation that may be the case. I read as very interesting the discussion in the special counsels report about what the legal standards are for obstruction of justice. It seems to me to be a direct response, almost, to the barr memorandum that we learned about during attorney general bars confirmation hearing. Barr took the position that, while a president can be cited for obstruction based on traditional corrupt actions that involve tampering with witnesses, suborning perjury, tampering with evidence, and the like, but he was rejecting the extravagant idea that if a president was using his article to powers but a prosecutor found that he was corruptly motivated, that was actionable obstruction. If you read the Mueller Report and the section on the law of obstruction, they emphatically take the position that if a president has corrupt intent when exercising his legitimate constitutional authority, that congress can reach that and has tried to reach that with the obstruction laws. Therefore, they have a much wider ambit in terms actually of what they think could constitute obstruction then the attorney generals much more narrow one. I imagine that when we have testimony from both mueller and barr, one of the things that congress is certainly going to own and on is what exactly are the Justice Departments parameters for obstruction . Because if you think they are wide, the evidence that mueller has come up with here in terms of potentially trying to influence witnesses or do a little bit of revisionist history are very disturbing. If you have a narrow view, what you come away with is to say that these things cant conceivably be obstruction and we should just move on without carrying too long over the fact facts. Sandra all right. Andy mccarthy, if you could, stand by with us. The breaking news continues, the Mueller Report is out. Everyone can go access that. The doj website, foxnews. Com also has the ability to go to a link there. Print off the report, you can read it to yourself. There are some rejections, but otherwise you can read it and dig along with us as the reporters are doing right now. D. C. And new york. The coverage continues of the Mueller Reports. Bill and i will be right back. Speak of the special counsel report did not find any evidence that members p campaign or anyone associated with the campaign conspired or coordinated with the russian government in these hacking operations. In other words, there was no evidence of the Trump Campaign collusion thank you, admiral. 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