at. brian kelly. there's a lot more to your introduction but i cut it off. [laughter] >> jessica: eight hours of radio. not enough time. >> melissa: let's get right to it. the white house releasing this picture of president trump signing the national emergency declaration today. the president using his executive powers to obtain billions for construction of a border ball, calling it an urgent problem that needs to finally be addressed. the top democratic leaders in congress releasing a statement calling this a "power grab," and fighting it in the courts. it allowed the president to continue to fight for the wall while averting other personal government shutdown. watch this. we are going to be signing today and registering a national emergency. because we have an invasion of drugs, an invasion of gangs, and invasion of people, and it's acceptable. by signing the national emergency, something signed many times by other presidents. nobody has done the job that we have ever done. nobody has done the job that we've done at the border. >> melissa: a fox news poll finding 56% oppose president trump congress and declaring an emergency to build the wall. with 38% in favor. chief congressional correspondent mike emanuel's life on capitol hill with the latest. mica? >> melissa, good afternoon. white house officials tell fox news here is how they intend to round up money to build the border barricade. $1.375 billion in the appropriations bill that congress just passed. $600 million for the treasury department forfeiture fund, $2.5 billion from the defense department in terms of reprogramming, and $3.5 billion from the military construction budget. president trump says he recognizes this action will get tied up in the courts. >> we will have a national emergency, then we will be sued, they will's he was in the ninth circuit even though it should be there. and we will possibly get a bad ruling. then another bad ruling. and then we will end up in the supreme court. and hopefully we will get a fair shake. and we will win in the supreme court, just like the ban. they sued us in the ninth circuit and we lost, and then we lost in the appellate division. and then we went to the supreme court and we won. >> a republican senator who helped negotiate the appropriations package isn't sold on this maneuver. >> i've been very clear about my concerns of the president declaring this as an emergency in ways that haven't been done before, and that is still my view. but let's see exactly what he tries to do and how he tries to do it. and then we will see where it goes from there. >> but majority leader mitch mcconnell says he will support this national emergency, and some of president trump's closest allies here -- like south carolina republican senator lindsey graham -- says he understands the president frustration. >> we have these three weeks to see we could find a compromise. my hope was we could give president has numbers and do something about tps and daca. that ship never appeared and it was very disappointing. you send troops to the border, which obama did. bush did it. trump has done it. why can't they erect barriers why they are there? i think he has all the legal authority in the world to do this, and i will stand behind him. >> others suggest lawmakers will regret this precedent. >> no one is putting this in the column of national emergencies. if that were to happen, it would be, i think, a very serious mistake. it would be opening the doors for future presidents to come in willy-nilly and declare national emergencies just because their priority project was not approved. >> in fact, some suggest a future democratic president could declare a national emergency on health care, climate change, or gun violence. melissa? >> melissa: mike emanuel, thank you so much for that. brian, i want to start with you. to be clear, the white house laid out these various pots of money that they are looking to for the wall. there is the $1.375 billion from this deal, which has a lot of handcuffs on it. there is $2.5 billion from the pentagon's drug interdiction initiative. $600 million from the treasury drug forfeiture program. it's only that $3.5 billion from the pentagon's military construction fund. that is the only piece of this -- up to $8 billion is the total -- that the only piece that comes from declaring this national emergency. was it necessary? >> brian: the reporting this this together for the last three months, and they didn't know what was going to happen. you have to understand one thing -- he's not just trying to fulfill a campaign promise. he believes it is an emergency. he could do sony and by default, given that. but i'm on a lie detector test, it would come out the same way. he believes it. he deals with law enforcement and coming to that conclusion. if you see their point and sound bites of the last few days, if these people are saying that they don't care about politics, they are saying, "we need help. we need the barrier. it actually is effective. the reason why more drugs come through the ports is because that's where they have the most sensors and monitors. that's why they are picking up most of it. to me, there been 58 times there is been used by president since jimmy carter. we will test the limitations of the power of the present. i can understand the reservations. one thing is that the gun analogy doesn't work. that's the second amendment, that's a right. but when you talk about other areas, may be down the pike that will be declared emergency, maybe if they are an emergency they should be declare this way. this congress can't do anything effectively. >> melissa: here's the other side. and the other situations where you read appropriate funds werem somewhere else, it does violate the constitution because congress has the power of the purse. the president does not. >> elizabeth: that is the argument pray that's why five republicans oppose it, including susan comments. tom tillotson marco rubio. here's the thing , yes, he has the statutory authority to do this. to use reprogram money. you see it in the 76 emergencies act. it says he does have the power, without regard to the provision to do this. the gao supports this, 2006 secure fence act supports this. there is language existing that he can do this. representative mo brooks is saying, how many more dead americans do you need for this to be declared a national emergency? we had it for swine flu, the sierra leone diamonds. we know that president obama got money for obamacare. >> brian: and he was sued, and loss. >> this will be a war of attrition in the courts, though. the emergencies act for the president's power. the issue remains -- is it a crisis? yes. are people being harmed by it? are americans being harmed by it? yes. i think that's where the focus should go. we want the president denies this is grading precedent. these are his words. i will get your response, jessica. >> the people that say it creates precedent? what do you have come a 56, or a lot of times? that is creating precedent. that's far more important than having aborted. you don't have a border, you don't have a country. >> melissa: lindsey graham made the point, too, the democrat's could have made a deal if they wanted to trade for daca. it's been interesting to me, the past couple weeks. given her democrats say a word about wanting to help people who are trying to get permanent status here. they could have traded for that. >> jessica: that's because they believe they can get a clean bill there. and nancy pelosi has said that since the beginning, that she wants a clean bill for dreamers. that we are going to be looking at car brands of immigration reform. we have the new candidates for president talking about that, lick him equal bishara did with bret baier. there's a distinction to be made here between an emergency and having a wall. there are people who say that a border wall would help us. congressman will heard, who represents 42% of the space there. he says we don't need a wall. with the present is doing is transferring a licorice emergency which may be "i believe this thing." i believe in you, brian, that he believes this is true. for you to say -- he's been president. he was having a majority in both houses and didn't do anything since the beginning. since he came down that golden escalator and change all their lives. it seems ridiculous. patently false. if it's an emergency, it should have been declared an emergency years ago. the numbers have not changed, actually, when you look at the statistics going back over the last 20 years. it should of gotten dramatically better. >> elizabeth: if you said that to a family, they would say yes. >> jessica: doesn't mean you circumvent the constitution. he set a precedent -- >> elizabeth: i don't know what a crisis is, then. >> lisa: a clean deal for daca would be insanity, because you are encouraging and incentivizing illegal activity. further illegal activity on the southern border. that is a nonstarter and it's just not -- it's kind of a dumb idea, just to be honest. secondly. >> jessica: thank you. speech here that was nancy pelosi, not you. >> jessica: i just said that on her behalf. >> lisa: oh, stop. you had people apprehended on the border last year. it's fair to say there is a crisis here in dealing with your activity on the southern border. i worry for the present, foam up political standpoint. because i believe he's on solid footing when he talks about "law & order." i think the conversation around immigration over the past few weeks has been illuminating in the sense when you've had democrats and brings lawlessness. they brought illegal immigrants to the state of the union. you've had bob menendez think it's not criminal to cross the border and documented. of course it is. you have democrats that want to get rid of or reduce the numbers of detention beds, forcing i.c.e. to release criminal aliens in this country and not be able to apprehend that. democrats have embraced lawlessness in this country, that is a strong argument for president trump. but now the focus is going to be on the wall, as opposed to him being trying to strongly make that argument and make it clear. >> melissa: brian, let me ask you -- andy mccarthy was on making the point that president obama, when he was looking for the money to put on the pallets to give to the iranians, he pulled from the judgment fund. they were quieter ways to go around what was happening with congress, and find the money for this. without declaring a national emergency. baking the courts to stop you. that he could have done what president obama did, to get money. when he couldn't get out of congress. what do you think of that? >> brian: that this is very sophisticated, subtle way of doing this. i don't know if you've noticed -- this president doesn't do subtle well. he doesn't want people accusing him of, "what are you doing when you took that money and repurpose a customer why didn't utility but a customer adam schiff. these are the people i've dealt with. i will say this -- all they had to do is be more reasonable in the negotiation. to give $1.3 billion and have all these tags to it. can't do it in rio grande city, you couldn't go into texas, had to do with the individual merits. you can't put a fence near the national butterfly park. the historical park. it can only go in one direction, one way, and it got to get permission from all these matters. so this is not a legitimate -- >> melissa: to think of the democrats want to? they were antagonizing him into making this move. >> brian: to think he was thinking that far ahead? >> jessica: doesn't matter what that means? republicans crated this as well. they have three coequal branches of government. the president is not a despot. he's not an autocrat. he has to work with congress. that's why we send these people to washington, to ask them to check on him. because that's what he gets. >> brian: what happens as part of the negotiation is saying, "is that we are going to do? this is what i'm going to do." nancy pelosi needed to negotiate pair that was her choice. nobody thought -- >> jessica: but she gave him $1.6 billion. speech whoever the democrats? >> elizabeth: there are cities in mexico that have higher homicide rates per capita than the middle east. >> brian: didn't care about butterflies. speech of the democrats were silent about doctor. he said he didn't have the authority to do it. the devil caps on of police speak from. it is much stronger talking about "law & order" as opposed to talking about this national emergency democrats declaratio. the waters are muddied. not all are public and serve with him. independents might not become a democrat truly ardent. speed when he tweeted about how he overstepped his authority. b3 there's always a treat. >> melissa: for everything. [laughter] all right, new fallout over former acting fbi director andrew mccabe claiming an interview that doj officials were serious, not sarcastic, when they discussed possibly removing president trump from office. note lawmakers want them to testify what he says about the department's action for the president. plus, democrats divided as amazon scraps plans to build a new york city headquarters. some anger at the loss of thousands of new high-paying jobs, but congresswoman alexandria kazu cortez and 2020 candidate elizabeth warren are celebrating those lost jobs. local business owners are left to pick up the pieces. >> go down to the actual site and see basically what we are left with now. just turn your cameras that way to the parking lot. the bombed out cars in our neighborhood. this is not shangri-la over here. we need this over here. we needed this. ♪ fact is, every insurance company hopes you drive safely. but allstate helps you. with drivewise. feedback that helps you drive safer. and that can lower your cost now that you know the truth... are you in good hands? sleep number 360 smart bed. it senses your movement and automatically adjusts to keep you both comfortable. and now, save 50% on the sleep number 360 limited edition smart bed. plus, 36-month financing. ends monday. and need money for your family? newday usa can help. we earned a lot of va benefits with our service. but the va home loan benefit is a big one. if you want to use it to get cash, call newday usa. and don't let less than perfect credit hold you back. even if you've been turned down for a va loan by your bank, call newday usa. they've been given automatic authority by the va, and they can often help veterans when other lenders won't. by re-financing up to 100 percent of your home's value, you could take out 50,000 dollars or more. you could use that money to pay credit card debt and other expenses, plan for retirement, and get back on your feet financially. need money for your family? call newday usa right now and use the va home loan benefit you've earned and deserve. go to newdayusa.com, or call 1-855-newdayusa. ensure max protein... to give you the protein you need with less of the sugar you don't. 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"anything is possible! today a group of every day new yorkers and their neighbors defeated amazon's corporate greed, its worker explication, and the power of the richest man in the world." and 2020 hopeful senator elizabeth warren tweeting, "amazon, one of the wealthiest companies on the planet, just walked away from billions in taxpayer bribes, all because some elected officials in new york aren't sucking up to them enough. how long will be allowed giant corporations to hold our democracy hostage?" but some local business owners are not so happy. take a look. >> business in queens come everybody. we are closer business here. don't bring your big business here, because if you are too big you get the ire of -- >> two days before the deal there was an announcement that we would get new supers, subways. it sounded good. without amazon i'm hoping the city still follows through on their promises. >> yeah, right. spew what i've got to start with you because you're my a business lady over here. it was on, we all buy stuff from amazon. they make a bunch of money. they are opening -- crating always jobs here. the local government wants to take the money that they've made, in the form of taxes. they let them keep it as an incentive to come here. but these other politicians are mad because they were counting on that money from amazon for all of their little projects all over the place, all the other stuff. so they punish local new yorkers by taking away 25,000 good jobs because they weren't going to get that tax revenue. amazon was going to keep their hard-earned money. where my going wrong? >> elizabeth: you have nailed every point. you are on it. i understand the corporate welfare debate. however, 230 cities were also bidding. "come to us, we will give you tax breaks." new york was built on tax breaks. your point is well taken. as you've noted, it wasn't a three billion-dollar cash pile as alexandria ocasio-cortez -- by the way, they say that she's trying to of the economy. it wasn't a pile of cash they were taking. it was over a ten-year period they would get the breaks, if they hit job targets. to melissa's points, those jobs could have been $3.75 billion in annual salary. people playing income taxes, those workers pay corporate taxes for the different amazon affiliates. and sales taxes paid local property taxes. the estimated boon for the progressive wish list, and revenue coming in -- $27 billion was the estimate that could have come in for the $3 billion down payment over ten years for a tax breaks. so that is the math. >> melissa: doesn't it make more sense, if you want to create a level playing field and you are saying that amazon is getting text makes and the little aren't -- i hear that point, and expense. knit me to lower taxes on the other businesses rather than kicking them out? >> elizabeth: what he sang with the new tax rules, governor cuomo, why are the city is paying such a price because they have high taxes. judging by this -- let's leave the text of the way it is. the liberal governor and mayor of new york bribed amazon, and they beat out 200 cities. to get a number one draft pick, to get lebron james, which get mike trout, you have to bring in and make an incentive. because they are rare talents. amazon is a company that is as good as any in the country. a great story. they were going to get $8 million worth of square feet in long island city. they were going to pay for it. they were to revamp, they were going to pay $295,000 per square foot to take over the plant. they were going to bring in countless jobs that the average paid between $150,000.175000. it's just the bidding. amazon would grow. it would be an attraction for everyone to come. you have to do a lot to get a lot. this is an investment, which shows you -- of the democratic party wants to live off this investment, this is part of that socialist attitude. "i hate rich, success will people. i hate big successful businesses." if that's going to run on -- >> melissa: they have no tax revenue! they now have no tax revenue to bring all the green new deals and everything they want to do. >> lisa: and cuomo already announced a budget shortfall. and people fleeing the city because of the texts down my cost of living. and the taxes. i can attest removing here. but it's funny, because the governor of texas tweeted out. he said, "this is what you get when you push socialism, when you're hostile to business." and he rented everyone that texas is number one for business, trying to send that message out. funny for him to get on this. the tickets becoming increasingly -- i would love to get jessica's opinion. that they are beholden to alexandria ocasio-cortez. she was leading the charge on this. you look at the green deal, and how many 2020 presidential contenders signed up for this ridiculous pipe dream which is the green deal. so the democrat party bold into her parade what are the ramifications? >> jessica: it's not just her, she did have some buddies working on this with her. the state senators are very powerful. we are divided on this issue. i think the most important reactions i've seen other people people who run affordable housing projects. the housing board. you have congressman who came out against this. people who have long represented people in the city, saying, "we wanted this. we need this prequel so you're right, over 200 cities competed and we won because of this. i've always had difficulty with the argument that if you are running against the system you have to do everything outside of it. hillary clinton got a lot of flak for running within the system, saying, "i can change things if i'm inside of it." what's going on with the progressive movement is saying, "you can't take corporate money or work with big companies." the truth is, you do need change we need to be old to do that from the inside. getting amazon here is not just to create jobs but start a more productive national conversation about how to change the way -- >> melissa: that's interesting. a replicant say they want answers from andrew mccabe after the former acting fbi director reportedly said in a bombshell interview that doj officials talked about possibly using the 25th amended to remove president trump from office. but mccabe is now pushing back, saying his comments were taken out of context. the very latest on that, next. >> what actual evidence that you have the term campaign was colluding with russians? you had none. they had zero. they conspired early on, in 2016, to open a counterintelligence investigation into a political campaign. ♪ i don't keep track of regrets. i never count the wrinkles. and i don't add up the years. but what i do count on, is staying happy and healthy. so, i add protein, vitamins and minerals to my diet with boost®. boost® high protein nutritional drink has 20 grams of protein, along with 26 essential vitamins and minerals your body needs. all with guaranteed great taste. the upside- i'm just getting started. boost® high protein be up for life. woman 1: this... woman 2: ...this... man 1: ...this is my body of proof. man 2: proof of less joint pain... woman 3: ...and clearer skin. man 3: proof that i can fight psoriatic arthritis... woman 4: ...with humira. woman 5: humira targets and blocks a specific source of inflammation that contributes to both joint and skin symptoms. it's proven to help relieve pain, stop further irreversible joint damage, and clear skin in many adults. humira is the number one prescribed biologic for psoriatic arthritis. 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>> lets start, lisa, with late yesterday. the chairman of the powerful senate judiciary committee that has direct oversight for the fbi and the justice department told fox news that he would not rule out compelling testimony from the deputy attorney general rod rosenstein as well as the fbi director andrew mccabe about two issues. any discussions regarding the president, and removing him from office under the 25th amendment. >> you're having a conversation about whether or not you can invoke the 25th amendment. i would imagine, if the shoe were on the other foot, my colleagues would want to know about that conversation. if it involved a democrat. >> a logical back to the steam it we just received from a spokesperson for the former fbi deputy director andrew mccabe. as i read it, i want you to listen and pay attention closely to the language. because it's very limiting, but acknowledges that there may have been some discussions of these issues. it states, "certain statements by mr. mccabe's in interviews associated with the release of his book have been taken out of context and misrepresented. to clarify, add no time did mr. mckay participate in any extended discussions about the use of the 25th amendment, nor is he aware of any such discussions. he was present and participated in a discussion that included a comment by deputy attorney general rod rosenstein regarding the 25th amendment. this anecdote was not included in his book." if you've been following a reporting here at fox news, this is really important. because the fbi's former general counsel -- that the fbi's top lawyer, james baker -- testified under oath last fall. that is a threat of perjury if he lied that he had heard directly from andrew mccabe and fbi lawyer lisa page about conversations they said they had with the deputy attorney general covering both of these issues. the 25th amendment, and recording or wearing a wire with the president. so we've got these parsed statements from mccabe, and we also have this under oath testimony from the fbi's top lawyer that conflicts with what they have issued today, lisa. >> lisa: thank you, catherine. >> you're welcome. >> lisa: i will start with you. where are we know on this? where does this leave us? you have this article from "the new york times." now we've got the mccabe spokesperson kind of clarifying, but not. you've also got james baker under oath. where does this leave us? >> brian: i haven't read the book. i will go by the coverage of seen in "the new york times." i will say this -- it's easy to say donald trump says this in the fbi says that, or james coming. they have a problem with each other. rosenstein says one thing, comey says one thing, and mccabe's is another. they all can't be lying, and they all can be telling the truth. because they diverge. number two is, keep in mind -- this is a guy who came out and was told by the affair that he wasn't only truth, so therefore they would let them go. when the ig look at what mccabe did, they gave him a criminal referral. days before he was supposed to get his pension and retire, they fired him. that's the mind-set of somebody. you have to keep that in mind when he read his account of what happened. >> lisa: melissa, what should congress do next question at senator graham's that he might compel them to testify, both mccabe and rosenstein. doesn't he do happen, and what question should be asked? >> melissa: nothing that ever comes of that. i hate that route. i understand what they want to do it, but nothing ever comes of it. nobody gets punished. it was interesting me about this is you heard in the from the spokesperson, they said the anecdote wasn't in the book. this is something he's just saying it is going out and doing interviews about the book. this isn't the first time we've heard this, and the u.s. times as corroborating as well saying "he also said to us." he said it to cbs, they sat there and had the serious conversation about removing the president. he was wearing a wire, nobody was kidding. at cbs, and he said it to "the new york times." the equivocation there, they said they didn't have an extended conversation. what does that mean? so we briefly talk about it? what is terrifying about this to the rest of america -- who is paying attention -- as you seem to have this ruling class in washington who has a grip on power. whether they are politicians, political figures in the top of these different departments, even in some cases journalists. people who are invested in the power that they have in washington. president trump has upended that power. the power they've carved for themselves prayed he straightened it. i think that's driving a bunch of people to do crazy things, like potentially this. >> elizabeth: the fbi itself does not have a role in the 25th amendment. but it's clear that fbi officials apparently, reportedly, took it upon themselves. "the new york times" has access to a memo involving enter mccabe, saying, "yes, we did discuss the president's capacity and his removal from office under the 25th amendment." i notice working -- i've been a business journalist for 30 years. i have fbi sources. they tell me they don't like the power structure inside the fbi in washington, d.c. the field offices have a problem in rendering with they are supposed to be doing, dealing with a construct. >> lisa: jessica, i want to make sure you get in here, as well. you got james baker under oath, peter struck talking about insurance policies and text messages. vesely very clear bias for the president. the walls of the senate intel committee recently saying they don't see any evidence of collusion. our president trump's criticisms correct? is there any fairness to about considering the totality of all this information? >> jessica: i think we have to see consistent see. i told bob mueller publishes his report and we don't know what happened. >> melissa: let me be devil's advocate. what with the report have to say to justify them wanting to wear a wire and entrap them? that he himself colluded with putin and he's a puppet with putin? >> jessica: i heard that over the weekend after senator richard byrne native's comment. on "the view," they said, "do we need a quote from pruden?" >> melissa: i don't watch "the view." >> jessica: is widely disseminated. there different degrees of collusion that would satisfy people. that's why leave it up to bob mueller to tell us what it is. i want to make a general point, all this happens -- people are writing books and they shouldn't be writing books. [laughter] your just the head of the fbi, take a breather. if people were in your text messages because you are having an affair, don't write a book. just take a moment. 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[laughter] there's nothing that would make less noise than bill weld decided to run against president of the united states. i don't know if it means a president has to show up anywhere, we don't even have to cover the results. for a president that is so and orthodox as its president, knowing that george h.w. bush had a challenge -- remember, jimmy carter had a big challenge. i thought for sure there would be high-profile people going after him. i'm not sure he's worried about bill weld. >> jessica: melissa, do you think he's worried about anyone? oh my that anyone be? >> melissa: on the republican side? no. >> jessica: do you think he's worried about biden or kamala harris? >> melissa: are not inside his head so i've no idea. i'm sure he's not actually worried about anyone, but in my mind i would say that joe biden is the biggest threat. because they kind of appeal to some of the same crowd. so they would end up fighting a bit over those people. i think he is the biggest threat that is out there. it's hard for me to imagine anyone is going to give him a huge run for his money. you know? he just has -- the bully pulpit. >> jessica: so much of the polling is based on name idea. joe biden would be lapping everyone here. is there anyone on the democrat side would be a good -- >> elizabeth: you wonder how the democratic donors are thinking. now there are some new more names. do you give the money to? there are so many more names, it's trying to pick the winning race at the aqueduct. there are seven names right now. as the clintons stepped back, the democrats got uncorked. and i have so many names in there. do you want to see your biden debating trump debates? who would win? that really sets the stage. right now it's all about the primaries, playing to the primaries. >> jessica: your point about the clinton worlds important. because one of the hillary clinton's best friends in san francisco but her backing behind kamala harris. they are starting to line up, which also means hillary is not running. for those of you about to tell me that she is. >> lisa: in order for joe biden to be on stage of president trump, he has to get three crowded primary field. from what we know by observing and working in politics, crowded primary fields create interesting outcomes. we don't know how he will appeal to a an increasing liberal and progressive bays as well pray that a challenge for him. you have to remember, he has tried this twice to get the democratic nomination. he's been on the ticket himself alone. >> brian: is never gone well. >> melissa: the world has changed dramatically since last time around for him. that's all he would say. >> jessica: and he has obama's legacy to carry on, too. the new green deal, medicare for all, a massive tax hike on the rich. these proposals getting the left all jazzed up. but new fox news polls show voters think capitalism has changed. with a few nuances. we will hash it out, coming up next. ♪ ♪ when cravings hit, hit back. choose glucerna, with slow release carbs to help manage blood sugar, and start making everyday progress. glucerna. 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[laughter] >> melissa: medicare for all is really such a fallacy. it's really medicaid for all. the reason why people love medicare is because you get benefits of that are roughly four times the financial value of what you pay in. so about subsidizing old people, which is fine. it works great, whatever. but it doesn't work -- if you have everyone on it, it obvious they wouldn't work. the math doesn't work. >> jessica: i should say, my parents are two very happy medicare recipients. they kept other doctors and they are enjoying it. they also paid a lot of taxes their whole life and all that jazz. the kaiser poll had another interesting finding, which is the 54 to 4040% want to keep private entrance and option. contenders going down the path of apologizing apologizing prie are in shaky territory. the most adult conversations are going to be about lowering the age or you can get for medicare. there are conversations around 50, 55, 60. taking it down from 65. i think that is a way to satisfy a progressive base that is hankering for this, and a more moderate base saying, "we can't necessarily pay for the sinful but we want to make sure american citizens are getting quality affordable health care." and the government does play some in that. [laughter] >> brian: utah, i will take the look! if president obama or any candidate claims to be successful in the to address health care, they are foolish. >> melissa: president trump, you mean? >> brian: yet. the president. they have to get it directly, but overall a medicare for all is unaffordable. it's not possible. to be i you agree. more to be 25 in just a moment. 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