>> we look at the facts and circumstances, what was the potential harm caused by the lead, what were the circumstances? that is more important than who is the leaker coming my identify somebody, if they have violated the law, we will prosecute them. >> including white house officials and members of congress? >> anybody who breaks the law. >> sandra: after jeff sessions addressing a major crackdown, the leak investigations have tripled since president trump took office, and the outrage not limited to key members of the administration. to top officials in the obama administration as well say that this has to stop. >> the leaks were now are really bad. i've never seen it this bad. there should be a concerted effort to identify and go after leakers. >> i think they are dangerous when it involves classified information. and you can refer to the fbi, you can revert to the justice department. obviously where it involves classified information, it ought to be investigated. but the key to preventing leaks is to create a sense of teamwork with in the white house, within the staff so that they feel loyalty to the president of the united states. >> sandra: it seems everybody agrees, richard, these leaks are bad. something must be done. will they be called? >> richard: i think they are really bad, the ones coming from the white house, the intelligence leaks are bad, but the ones from the white house are more, because they are coming from presidential staff, people who worked in the campaign and their leaking, scaramucci who is now fired, but when he fired somebody for leaking, he was talking about getting to the bottom, i think he was right. it hampers the president's ability to get things done, whether you like this president or not, when he leak stuff about who is in and out coming leak stuff about jared kushner is out this week, that is bad. >> sandra: many national security security officials have pointed out, this is not a problem for the white house, it is a problem for the country and jeopardizing the national security. >> kennedy: there is a big difference between the intrigue in the white house gossip, which you know what the president's help has found itself to various websites and news outlets. and we all know what is going on. it has long been a managerial philosophy of the president to pick people against each other. and with the input of general kelly, we may see that tamped down, but to your point, yes, when you're compromising national security and releasing information that is sensitive that compromises future relationships like phone calls that the president has had with world leaders, if they would be reticent to talk to the president in the future, or eight you are compromising various intelligence agencies or military outposts, of course ths an issue. and the department of justice is saying that they are going to go after the leakers and nontender journalists, but the people that are supplying. >> sandra: let show rod rosenstein talking about that. not targeting the journalist, but leaving the door open to if they are breaking the law, something will happen. watch. >> we are after the leakers, not a journalist. we are after the people committing crimes. generally speaking, reporters who publish information are not committing a crime. but there might be a circumstance where they do. i've not seen many of those to date, i would not rule it out in the event that there was a case where the reporter was purposely violating all law, that is not the goal. that -- >> sandra: clearly a lot of room. >> trish: what does he mean by that? i was hoping that maybe he misspoke a little, but i don't think that was a case. he was trying to sound the alarm to journalist out there and look, journalists are not the problem. the problem is actually happening in washington. when you have the former head of the fbi james comey deliberately leaking to "the new york times." a cultural problem in washington. people attribute that to trump, but i think it existed long before he got there. they don't like him. and they're going to go after him in a bigger way. but this is something that existed prior to james comey himself was out there leaking and admitted it. >> harris: you are absolutely right. ben rhodes with the obama administration told us that he had friendly reporters where he could get his stories out there. but i don't agree that the media does not take a role in this. if you do not have anywhere to put your story too, you know a reporter will do due diligence where you give them background and off the record, that's good at their job that they are not going to release classified information without finding out the ramifications of that for national security, if they are not going to raise the bar, then where are we? they are deftly part of the circle, i'm not saying that it did not start with the first leakers in the white house, but don't leave the media out of making it a complete circle, that would be a mistake. >> richard: my only pushback is judy miller who wanted jail for 85 days for not revealing a source. >> harris: this is not about revealing your sources, it's about handling it to responsibly as journalists know how to do. >> richard: there is a defining line, i think that is the first amendment that says, there is a freedom of the press. a drop of the journalist if a leaker says, here's some information that i am going to give to you here, have it. and to the job to the journalist to say, i have to report this because you have given it to me. >> trish: can you authenticate it? that's what harris is getting at. >> harris: if there is not imminent harm that is going to be done by not releasing it and his aide to whistle-blower status? there are a lot of questions that need to be asked before we as journalists were allowed on twitter were some classified information. i've been doing this longer than 15 minutes, i know what i'm talking about. >> kennedy: there are avenues for that, we are living in a postmodern presidency, you are seeing things manifest in ways that you have not before. the white house even says that you are three times as many leaks in this administration as you had in the obama white house, i agree with the leon panetta who has been chief of staff. you have to ask why is this happening? there is a side of it, a permanent deep state, and patricia alluded to it. the james comey of the world, and how do you endear them to the president and instill a loyalty to the united states? >> sandra: how do you make it a priority? we just saw former obama administration officials and the trump white house sees this as a big problem. the leaks have never been this bad. it is a being made out a priority by both sides? >> trish: i think that's what they are trying to convey. why they are hitting the sunday shows. you see general kelly himself is we have learned through sources that he has been cracking down on everybody there. you see rod rosenstein essentially trying to say, we are taking this very seriously, they have to, and this is a message or they are trying to communicate in washington right now, guys, knock it off, it is inappropriate and wrong. harris, you think about the ways to get the stories out in these days. in the old days you had a few trusted news organizations. now you have anybody who is willing to publish anything on twitter or online, and there is trafficking and a whole lot more rumors, innuendos, et cetera that is not responsible journalism. there are many, many paths to get the points out there. >> harris: when it pans into the organizations that we all agree should be legitimate, we have to have zero tolerance for it. it is not a mistake. >> richard: the larger point is this, we have to deal with the leakers, but the line here becomes dealing with leakers is one thing, but we also have to protect a good journalism. i think that the weariness on this is not what rod rosenstein said, but what jeff sessions said earlier in the week when he sort of walk the line on the first amendment. that's what's problematic for me. >> kennedy: it is a fine line between the president going after fake news and saying what a lot of his supporters field, which is a bias within the mainstream media against conservatives and certainly against the president, but you cannot take that to the next step which is people who disagree with us or write stories we do not like, we are going to round them up and arrest them. to that not okay. >> harris: not a list like james rosenstyle. >> richard: that is the line, i hope we will see the white house reiterate that. >> sandra: and instead they are preventing them. we have to leave it there. the trump administration looking to score a big victory as the united nations puts sanctions on north korea. the regime vowing thousandfold retaliation against our country. so what the sanctions can actually do and whether they will be enough. plus, vice president pence claiming that he may be -- "new york times" claiming that he may be plotting a 2020 run. standing by at story? 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china and russia got on board with the sanctions. >> which is good, china had to impart because we made it clear to china that we were goig to start going after them for currency issues. and on trade issues, we were going to go after them on intellectual property. all things that we still need to do at some point. but they bought themselves a little bit of time. that said, $1 billion sounds like a lot, but you are talking about north korea which has roughly $28 billion estimated economy, so $1 billion will hit them, but could we do more? >> harris: the thing is without country, they just starve their own people. they don't care. they are honey badgering their way through life right now. they are going to do whatever they can to make up the difference. >> kennedy: it is really scary, that's why you see the shift in tone from the united states, because mike pompeo the cei -- cia director was talking about regime change, and a more militaristic view and explanation of north korea. rex tillerson has softened that. he says that, at first he says they had to hold the nuclear program to enter into diplomatic talks. but he also said that they have to stop the ballistic missile tests, and he said, you haired and there, not a timeline, he will know it when he sees it. we have heard that in regards to pornography from the federal government. we will see what that happens with north korea, and china is pushing back on us, seen through the communist new space newspapers that united states is seeking dominance, we need to be a solution, because -- >> harris: here is what we know. >> kennedy: creating the situation, to your point, the billions of dollars that north korea has gotten and to starving their people, they put it into the nuclear party. >> harris: when the last missile launch, 200 miles off of the coast of japan plant demand japan, and now they are talking about what they can do with hitting us. >> sandra: i wondered just if we can take this to politics now, a guy like you, richard feller, saying that it is a victory for the administration? >> richard: i think the sanctions are good, but let me say this, let's lead cooler heads prevail, for copresidents that have dealt with the uns. >> harris: with the kim. >> richard: the kim's, my bad, not giving up the nuclear program, so we can kiss that goodbye, but we must never forget the power that liberty has, and the power and to the hunger of ordinary people who want to better their lives, right? so at some point in time, maybe, just maybe sitting down with this guy and saying, what can we do, sitting across the table and looking him in the eye -- >> harris: are you okay with the one on one with north korea? >> trish: you are assuming he is a national player, a rational player, and as long as he is armed, we are armed, we can sit down like rational people across the table, but he has proved over and over again, he cannot be rational, how are you going to sit down with a guy as crazy as him? >> kennedy: this propaganda machine has been commencing the people of north korea that the united states is going to invade and will try -- >> richard: i get that, but think about the cold war. it took an american president saying, may be the soviets are rational reactors, we had to sit down and talk to them. >> kennedy: deterrent did not work with north korea. it does not work like that. >> sandra: are you going to take this man and his word if an agreement is made? >> richard: presidents try different strategies coming a number of them have worked. >> trish: they have not tried. >> harris: i am asking a question. >> richard: let's keep all of the sanctions and the ships in place. >> trish: president clinton was instrumental in thinking that to you somehow could be rational with this guy, he would not build up the program, and now we are in a situation where they are most definitely a threat. for us to be playing nice with them, no, it has gotten too far. we have tried that before, and it has not worked. >> richard: the next step we are going to is some form of nuclear war, right? that's why we have thick helicopters. >> trish: new forms into north korea is not working either. >> richard: if any of the ballistic missiles hit a landmass whether it is japan, hawaii, that is guaranteed nuclear annihilation. if they had any landmass, we are going to have a nuclear war. >> trish: it is not going to do it. we need more. >> harris: we can talk more in overtime, but land underneath the water, if they are hitting off of the land of japan, practicing, you play like you practice. they may already have the capability -- >> richard: that is my point. we have to pull it down a little bit. >> harris: it is difficult. let's move on, congress taking steps to control bob mueller from any presidential interference. there are some growing questions about how impartial that investigation can be. whether mueller is going on a fishing expedition, or a witch hunt, as some like to call it. plus mike pence gripping "the new york times" report saying that he is getting ready for the 2021 against president trump. is this a case of mainstream media making something out of nothing? 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>> richard: it is a jury of his peers. that is the ideal of the grand jury, or a jury of your peers, it does not matter where it is. at number one, number two, this ideal that he is hiring lawyers that have given money to democrats or republicans, i think that is irrelevant, jared kushner's legal team has given money, i don't think that matters, the job of a lawyer or prosecutor is to defend, it does not matter where they are from. it does not matter what they do. if jared kushner's legal team are democrats, that does not matter here, the job of mueller and the prosecutors are to look into all of the evidence and to see if trump and his associates committed crime or colluded with the russians, and from "the wall street journal" story, we will find out if they impaneled a grand jury, they subpoena what they will subpoena. >> harris: any evidence that democrats will let this go? you say it does not matter that the attorneys gave money to democrats, but then you should not have that as a box to check extra if they find out that there is no evidence. >> richard: let me be very clear, i will stake my claim on this, the idea that this is not a democratic investigation. rob rosenstein is -- >> harris: you dodged my question. >> richard: i am not dodging it. i will answer it. rob rosenstein hired mueller to do this job. one of the top prosecutors, and i think democrats need to stop with the whole entire russian victory all and to let mueller do his job. if he says we have found crimes here that we believe are against the american people, he should prosecute it. >> sandra: what do you make of the senators protecting mueller from being fired? >> kennedy: i think it is really interesting. it is a power struggle within two branches. so there has been a great deal of power concentrated in the oval office over the last three presidencies. and president trump is enjoying this concentration. and probably quite protective of it. the question remains, or some say this as unconstitutional as to whether or not the president can fire mueller without cause, and what these senators are doing, and it as two teams, the democrat and the republican on each team, they have come up with different legislation in different ways to have a federal judge or panel of judges protect the special counsel in the case that the president fires him or her in the future without cause, and if the special counsel make some sort of an objection, then, according to one of the pieces of legislation thinking take that grievance before a judge that would decide whether or not it was illegal. >> sandra: while we were are on that question, is he on a fishing expedition? >> trish: yes, a little bit of a fishing expedition. i think they know in their head. i do think it is a problem that they went out and hired a bunch of people to be on the team that have given to the democratic party. i disagree with you on that, richard. can't you find anybody in washington who has not? just practicing their legal craft, so that is a problem, yes. it certainly is a fishing expedition. this is what happens. if we go back to square one, probably you should not have fired james comey, and we would not be in the situation. >> richard: i wanted to point out yesterday that he said it was not a fishing expedition. we think there is something here, which is why i instructed there to be a special counsel and he is looking into something, not a fishing expedition. >> harris: even chris christie said that justice is the next step. of the vice president slamming the report in "the new york times" suggesting that he is positioning himself to run for president in 2020 if mr. trump does not seek a second term, the article reads though it is customary for presidents to keep a full political calendar, he has gone a step forward creating an independent power base, his own political fund-raising committee, and methodically establishing his own identity and personal touches on people who could pay dividends in the future. the vice president responding to those claims saying "the article in "the new york times" is disgraceful and offensive, whatever figures may come our way, we will continue to focus all of our efforts to advance the president's agenda and see him reelected in 2020, any suggesting otherwise is laughable and absurd." kellyanne conway also dismissing the report. watch list. >> that is complete fiction. it is complete fabrication. vice president pence is a very loyal, very beautiful, and incredibly effective vice presidents, active vice president with this president. he is a peer to the president in the west wing. it is not true that he is getting ready for 2020. >> kennedy: spokesperson for "the new york times," says that the paper stands by the story. so let's say that the president does not like fund-raising, he does not like the political aspect of the job and something that the vice president as former governor and congressman knows very well. not the most foolish thing in the world for him to be going out and meeting -- >> harris: you need a team, you need a campaign team, a transition team, you day getting ready for 2020 team, it has a team sport. personal touches by the vice president, you may and putting their own flavor on things? i don't see the difficulty, i remember the tweets by maxine waters, several weeks ago saying that watch out, i am paraphrasing, pence is getting ready. they say that about everybody when certain things are to happen, president trump had a good week last week. he has had a few, but republicans have been stepping on their own messaging, hard to recognize a good week. >> richard: [laughs] >> harris: when the winds come, people lose sight of that. what you need vice president pence to be a messenger as well, but he got the vote through by breaking the tie, remember what happened, he has a vice president, but also the president of the sentence, so we pushed something through. i am confused by this, it is a team sport. >> kennedy: i think what they are trying to say is that he is going to run against the president in 2020. that is a devise a voyage which at this point is not provable. >> trish: i think that someone basically wants to put a story out there that is getting aching in president trump's head, and then he looks at his vice president and says, oh, my gosh, he is thinking about running against me? he is not on my team. it is a very divisive move. and i think that there are people in washington, this is wishful thinking. they would love to have mike pence. >> harris: and it rhymes with baxine baters. >> sandra: would there be anything wrong if he was preparing? >> richard: no, i think with the politics of this, president trump will have a primary. there will be republicans running against him, and there are senators visiting iowa -- >> kennedy: and new hampshire. >> richard: a couple of visits to iowa and new hampshire, and this vice president is acting very uncustomarily of her vice president. he has his own pact, usually the vice president and the president share a pack, or the vice president is very quiet. >> sandra: there are a lot of things unprecedented about this white house. >> kennedy: but it is the world are vice president pence has taken on for himself. let's say for some reason, god forbid, this presidency has a melt down and vice president pence has to step in -- for >> richard: he will be ready to go, which will make the story half true. >> harris: you look like you have something to say. >> trish: i would love if the story was true, all about more inciting. so again -- >> richard: there is this one up inside and let's put it out there. >> trish: mike pence would not deliberately look like he would want to be there in any shape or form. not that way now. you have given me an out, thank you very much for that. >> kennedy: swing the trump administration for cutting funding to sanctuary city, his city will not be blackmailed, response from the justice department and what the standoff means in the battle over illegal immigration. >> we will not abandon our values as a welcoming city and be coarse off of our interest as a welcoming city. ♪ ti i can even warm these. does your bed do that? i'm the new sleep number 360 smart bed. let's meet at a sleep number store. ♪ >> harris: the city of chicago filing a lawsuit against the trump justice department to limit funding to sanctuary cities, which harbor illegal immigrants. rahm emanuel says his city will not be blackmailed and predicts that other sanctuary cities will be filing suit. watch. to speak trump justice department has announced new restrictions on burn grants and has asked the city of chicago to choose between our core values as a welcoming city and our fundamental principles of community precinct. it is a false choice and a wrong choice. chicago will not let the police officers become political pawns in a debate. at the city of chicago may be the first to bring the lawsuit, but i am confident that we will not be the last. >> harris: the justice department is firing back, pointing to chicago's alarming crime rate, telling the sun-times, in 2016 more chicagoans were murdered than in new york city and los angeles combined. tragic that the mayor is less than concerned with that staggering figure then he is with spending time and taxpayer money protecting aliens inputting law enforcement and greater risk. the governor says that he is open to suing him about the decision is up to the state attorney general. you know where i have heard some of those language about valuing crime over being a sanctuary city was from you. you have lived in chicago. that is been near big thing. >> sandra: the priorities are a little messed up. sad to see what has happened with the city. sad to see that they are not putting the residents of that city first. i understand what is going on here. i understand that he is talking about the equipment at the police need in many cases. why not look at the priorities and the fact that you need the funding. why not reassess the situation? you do not see him stepping back and saying, we need to look at this a different way. you never see rahm emanuel do that. he doubled down citing the city of chicago may be the first, but i am confident we will not be the last. and in insinuation that things are going so well, he will make his point and other cities will follow suit, do you think that will happen? >> richard: i think you have to look at the welcoming. the city of chicago, the welcoming city's ordinance is what they passed, so the welcome city ordinance which is what jeff sessions is complaining of her, saying that if you are a rusted and you happen to be an illegal alien or undocumented? >> harris: if you are here illegally, you are already breaking the law. >> richard: that's fair, they are asking you to keep that person for an additional 48 hours. if they have not, let me just read it so that i have it right. if there is not a warrant out for their arrest already or they have committed -- a serious criminal conviction or a criminal out for their arrest, the city of chicago will not hold them over, because that is above violation of their fourth amendment right. to the justice department is saying that you have to hold them and wait for i.c.e. to come. that is the sticking point. between the justice department and where the city of chicago is. >> harris: the gap between holding them on a warrant and what you just read, and to them being here illegally, that gap is where i.c.e. steps in, that that is legal. the federal government can say, we have the right to enforce that law unless you have a different way -- >> richard: i don't think that there is a right, a question of a right to enforce the law, the city of chicago is saying that we do not think that we should be using our resources to help you enforce that law. that is the federal government's job, and not the city's job. >> harris: but you are harboring these people, so who is going to round them up? >> richard: it is time for us to have immigration reform and fix the problem. >> harris: do you believe that the federal government has a way to enforce the law, but you don't believe in somebody standing in the way? >> richard: i think a lot of mayors and governors are saying, if you want to enforce the law, then you need to put some skin in the game and enforce the law. >> kennedy: it is a political issue. it is disgusting that rahm emanuel is taking a convenient opponent, a villain like donald trump and hiding behind that. instead of shielding people from murder in his city. he should be focusing on keeping people alive. people who live in chicago must be frustrated with this. it is one thing to be a welcoming city to immigrants and tried to work on federal and local laws including the immigration system, it is another to completely ignore the fact that there is so much murder. >> sandra: you never hear this mayor ever acknowledge the problem that it has. >> richard: i am no sympathizer for rahm emanuel, i think he is a worse man that chicago has had. i believe that a sanctuary city exist because we live in an era where politicians in washington are not courageous enough to actually fix the broken immigration. >> kennedy: let's say his anger is misplaced. >> harris: trish, i will make it up to you. president trump likes to tweet? >> trish: he does? ten times before 9:00 a.m. >> harris: he is getting stuff done. white house chief of staff john f. kelly once the president to stop making policy announcements on twitter. what? will he be able to rein him in? or should he let him be the president, let him be who he is? stay with us. ♪ hieligible for medicare? that's a good thing, but it doesn't cover everything. only about 80% of your part b medical expenses. the rest is up to you. so consider an aarp medicare supplement insurance plan, insured by unitedhealthcare insurance company. like any of these types of plans, they could save you in out-of-pocket medical costs. call unitedhealthcare insurance company today to request a free decision guide. with these types of plans you'll be able to visit any doctor or hospital that accepts medicare patients. join the millions who have already enrolled in the only medicare supplement insurance plans endorsed by aarp. and provided by unitedhealthcare insurance company, which has over 30 years of experience behind it. apply for a medicare supplement insurance plan any time you want. so don't wait. call unitedhealthcare now to request your free decision guide. >> sandra: more "outnumbered" in just a moment. but first jon scott. >> next our republican senators and members on vacation, that to-do list continues to grow, and the pressure is on as lawmakers meet their constituents back home. we will look at what that means for the health care reform efforts, and a an update on the presidents promised to build a border wall, why the budget battle could be key. and chicago mayor rahm emanuel says he is suing the trump administration on behalf of its city over the sanctuary cities policy. the legal panel weighs in on whether the mayor has a leg to stand on. coming up. >> sandra: thank you. >> trish: political reporting that john kelly is trying to stop the president from making policy announcements on twitter. kelly knows that he cannot stop mr. trump from tweeting, but according to the white house official, the goal is pushing the tweets in the right direction. the piece goes on to say that general kelly would like to know what trump is planning to tweet before he does so, and would prefer that the big decisions not be announced on twitter, but has privately conceded that there will be late tonight or early morning mist is that he cannot to review. kellyanne conway depending the president's use of social media. watch. >> first of all, the tweet announced policy. this has been a conversation discussion with generals and other stakeholders for a very long time. to the president announced it to the foreign -- -- >> sandra: we know that this is who he is, a big part of his appeal, but if you are trying to manage him as general kelly is now, as chief of staff, how do you -- does he need to put the twitter thing away? does he need it to stop altogether? >> harris: you have to let the president be himself, you cannot get mad at the fact that he has millions of people following him and he can get around the mainstream media with a quick tweet and it may not be setting policy, but it can set narrative, since messaging has been such a challenge, you do not want him to stop some of that, because they need it. they do not have a communications director. >> sandra: and he has only held one news conference since he came into the white house. so if he was not tweeting, it's almost like we would not be hearing from him that much. i'm just throwing that out there as maybe maybe it is a distraction from the fact that we have not seen him taking on the journalist. >> trish: it's your challenge that he tweet something and it feels off message for them or he is going in a direction that the rest of the team did not know he planned to go in and they are strictly meant scrambling to catch up? >> kennedy: that is more disciplined, that's where general kelly comes in, and they considered it a victory because he tweeted a little bit less, and running things past general kelly, but then this morning, a flurry of stuff. and talking about richard blumenthal vietnam issues and challenges in regards -- >> harris: the sanitary -- military service of blumenthal. >> kennedy: he is talking about fake news, and i think some of that considering where we are, the high-profile departures we have had from the white house, maybe we should get back on message. and maybe we should hear more about what is going to happen with tax reform and a robust agenda for congress to sink into. >> trish: that would be so boring, right? i would say, and i say this having a background in business, twitter was heading for nowhere-land. it was a company, it still has its struggles, but he has single-handedly put twitter back on the map. you have to be on twitter if you want to know what the president is saying now. >> richard: i agree. he put twitter back on the map. the tweets work for his base. but when he tweeted that he was banning trans people from the military, that policy requires new bonds, you have 20,000 serving, and when journalists and trans people serving were like, does that mean i am no longer serving? that's a problem with announcing policies, this is not a 140 policy, and this is why you cannot announce very complicate a policies on on twitter. that's why you think john kelly is doing the right thing by saying, mr. president, these are complicated. >> harris: where was the chief of staff this morning? >> richard: i have no idea. the president needs to be careful. >> kennedy: when he is to constrain, he explodes. there is something to the notio notion. >> sandra: we will continue this conversation at the commercial break. more "outnumbered" in just a moment. you don't let anything keep you sidelined. that's why you drink ensure. with 9 grams of protein and 26 vitamins and minerals. for the strength and energy to get back to doing... ...what you love. ensure. always be you. get your ancestrydna kit.here. spit. mail it in. learn about you and the people and places that led to you. go explore your roots. take a walk through the past. meet new relatives and see how a place and its people are all a part of you. ancestrydna. save 30% through august 15th at ancestrydna.com. can make anyone slow downt and pull up a seat to the table. that's why she takes the time to season her turkey to perfection, and make stuffing from scratch. so that you can spend time on what really matters. marie callender's. it's time to savor. to f...nerve pain shoots and burns its way into your day... ...i hear you. when that pain makes simple errands simply unbearable... ...i hear you. i hear you because my dad struggled with this pain. make sure your doctor hears you too. so folks, don't wait. step on up. and talk to your doctor. because you have places to go... ...and people who can't wait for you to get there. if you have diabetes and burning, shooting pain in your feet or hands... step on up and talk to your doctor today. if you have bad breath and your mouth lacks moisture when you speak or swallow, you may suffer from dry mouth. try biotène®, the #1 dentist recommended dry mouth brand. biotène® provides immediate relief from dry mouth symptoms that last for up to four hours. in fact, biotène® is the only leading brand clinically proven to soothe, moisturize, and freshen breath. don't just manage dry mouth symptoms with water, soothe, moisturize and freshen your breath, with biotène®. this has been medifacts for biotène®. >> we are going to keep it here for outnumbered overtime on the web. we are back on tv tomorrow at noon eastern. thanks to richard fowler. 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