don't strike syria again, or else. that seems to be the message from two of bashar al-assad's biggest boosters, russia and iran in the last strike on the air based used in a horrific chemicals attack. both nominees saying that what america raged in an aggression on syria is a crossing of redlines. from now on we will respond with force to any aggressor or any breach of redlines from whoever it is and america knows our ability to respond well. all of this with the trump administration officials putting pressure on russia to ditch the syrian administrator. saying that the strike was sending a message. rex tillerson who is heading to moscow tomorrow says that the russians need to rethink their support for the syrian dictator. >> this was something that had to be done. this was something that needed to tell assad that enough is enough. and this was something to let russia know, you know what, we are not going to have you covered for this regime anymore. we will not allow things like this to happen to innocent people. >> i hope that russia is thinking about to their continued alliance with bashar al-assad, because every time one of these attacks occurs, it draws russia closer to some level of responsibility. >> national security advisor h.r. mcmaster leaving the door open for more military action against syria. watch. >> our objective was to deter the continued use. it has been a pattern use of chemical weapons by the bashar al-assad regime. i think that secretary torsten, everyone has confirmed that we are prepared to do more. we were prepared to do more two days ago as well. >> prepared to do more. what do we need next? anthony? >> i think we sit tight right now. i think what general mcmaster said a few days ago, we have completely disrupted the operation in terms of chemical weapon attacks. i think that is a big success for the united states as it relates to the russians and the iranians, it is no surprise that they are saying that. i do think that it is at the end of the day, both of the russians and iranians knowing that this president was going to do something actionable as a result of the moral atrocity. and i do think that there is some level of uniformity with the congress, the senate, and the house of representatives as a relates. >> what do you think of the warning coming from russia and rent iran that they will respond with force? >> this is a very complicated issue. i would first like to say that no one should be surprise that russia is reacting this way. russia and the trump campaign, trump presidency, was always strange bedfellows to me, because i knew that when push came to shove, and thinking about a chemical attack, we would be put in a position where we would have to apologize or face the facts of this. going forward, i think the big question here is what is the strategy. how far are we willing to go when it comes to the removal of bashar al-assad. there are a lot of unanswered questions. president trump ran as a nonintervention man. he did not want to get involved for a long period of time. when i found that it was happening on friday, i was surprised. this is action that is quite frankly should have been done in 2013 under president obama, but there are no good answers in this situation. i'm going to sit back and wait and see what the next strategy is. >> kennedy, ryan crocker, the former u.s. ambassador to syria, he was asked by maria, do you think syria and/or russia will retaliate. here's the exchange. >> they would be insane if they tried. we all know what the differentials of power are here. our power is overwhelming. they were not like to see it applied. i do not think they will take the chance. >> insane if they tried. >> they would be insane. you are talking about two nuclear powers coming to a head. and i'm sure that the trump administration has been weighing this. one of the biggest risks in getting involved with syria. but you have to go back to casino, in the scenario, syria is sharon stone, and russia is joe pesci coming and it is a really dangerous relationship that obviously is not going to end well for either one of them. and as russia has become a serious minder, china is north korea's minder, and it is in the best interest of the entire world if china and russia decouple from these actors who have proven to be so incredibly problematic and murderous. >> joe pesci is texting my phone right now, is he russia or syria? >> he is russia. sharon stone is clearly syria. >> i think where you started is particularly important. americans out there wondering, okay, they see the father holding his dead twin babies, 29 members of his family on the ground and killed in that attack calling out to our president and our country, not just one strike, do more, come back. but you hear reports of claims on that airfield. what you said was critical. you said that our game is in the fact that they cannot deliver the chemical weapons anymore. that needs to be made clear. the president tweeted that you can rebuild and airfield. that was not the target. our target was what you said, capability. >> so we dismantle the capability for now. i do not think that the president wants to get involved in the civil war inside of syria. but i do think that he wants to send a message to the global community that after the evolution from 2013 until today, 2017. at the u.s. stands ready to bring back the moral atrocities. >> i disagree, very quickly on that. you have seen h.r. mcmaster, rex tillerson, and nikki haley all say that assad has to go. that is obviously a huge escalation and a big development in the conflict. at some point you have to ask, why does the president seek congressional approval? >> that has been the policy on assad for the last five or six years, that is a uniform for you. i agree with meghan, the president did run as, i don't want to say isolation list, but america first, noninterventional person. he may be there. i have not talked to him recently. but i do not think he is there yet. maybe those guys are there. maybe the president will get there. he is a very intuitive guy. a great decision maker. i think that people are very proud of the president and what he did last week. >> on both sides of the political aisle. >> on both sides of the political aisle, and his support has gone out. the polling numbers have gone u up. so maybe -- >> but assad -- >> may be ahead of the president. president. >> assad is not going to go on the ground though. always a redline. a president who is enforcing it. i'm so happy that we have a leader who has shown the world the apology tour is over. this is not the obama administration. we are going to get it on the shovel. when you have people like john kerry applauding this. aa shows a different type of regime in charge. i think the confusion is, anthony and kennedy, nobody really knows the answer but where do we go from here? do you think that we are going to put sanctions on russia? are we going to have a no-fly zone? what is the relationship with russia? these are big questions, the gas attack on all of the civilians change the game. >> if you break the country to the point where you move the leader out of position no matter how evil a person we know him to be with merely a half a million citizens dead. with whom do you replace him with? do you have to stay there for 20 or 30 years on the ground to help that country as we have with so many others? >> i think that is the big message that the president campaigned on. i just want the viewers to know that the tribes that bashar al-assad is a descendant of has been in syria for 5000 years. they have held power therefore i don't know, millenniums. i do not see these guys moving easily. you talk about boots on the ground, all of this other stuff, it is just the sort of thing that the american people want to get involved with. the answer is probably know, but i do not think that any american people want to stand by and say what happens when you use narrative for gas on young children. >> you make the case with the united states, maybe not in the best interest to get into another conflict in the middle east, but also you have to, what is different here is you have to go through russia and iran to depose assad, and that could get very messy very quickly. i want to know from the president, there is obviously a difference between strategy and policy, but i want to hear that president talk about the flexibility. what is the policy going forward? and obviously that has changed somewhat based on some of the public statements that he made in 2013 auntie meghan's point, on the campaign trail. at what point is he going to get congress involved, because this is going to be very different -- >> annie shows his willingness to change, because after the chemical attack, he was sitting in the oval office and was saying that he will see if he changes as he goes along. that goes back to the big question which is the strategy going forward. you have been inside the white house. you have been inside the trump team, you are a former member of the transition team, who was the president listening to you? >> i think what i've learned about the president is that he listens to everybody, and he has list spoke system that he works well off of. and i'm sure it was h.r. mcmaster and general matters, those two generals as it was related to the strike, but he listens to a lot of people depending on what the situation is. what i want to say, and we can look back at the obama administration and say that they shifted middle -- the saudi arabian acentric influence to the iranian influence. i do think that part of the strategy will be to shift it back a little or to rebalance it. because what i think we are worried about is the access of syria, russia, and the iranians are not in the best interest of the united states or the western nations, or the pluralistic democracy of israel. so i think it will be a work in progress as it relates to the palestinian authority and israel. it will be shoring up some of the sunni allies that we have had over the last 60 years. and a rejection of some of the shiite influences. now, meghan knows this. i'm sure that you know this as well. when i was in iraq in 2011, general austin called for 15,000 troops to stay in iraq, he said that if they do not stay, something could rise up, isis. i had no idea what it was at the time period of january 2011. and he said that if we do not leave the troops, you are going to see the coalition. they will create a lot of harm on people. ultimately cause a refugee crisis. but i love about our president is that he is not going to have a political strategy overlay owner geopolitically meant geopolitical or other strategy. he is going to do the right thing for the american people. and not put our troops in the way unless it is necessary. >> responding well to this part of the ninth seat of the supreme court is vacant no more. a judge neil gorsuch officially a justice. he will have to hit the ground running as tfaces a bunch of ke. how soon will his impact be felt now and in the decades to come? plus it looks like former obama aide is circling the wagons on their inputs with syria. supporting the missile strike against the regime, whether this is an indictment of the former presidents had differing, and after the show you can join the live chats by clicking the "outnumbered" tab. go to facebook.com/outnumberedfnc, we are doing it today, harris, aren't you excited? and of course you can tweet us. >> they are looking at their phones already. we will see you there. ♪ ♪ >> and that i will faithfully and impartially a discharge and perform all of the duties incumbent upon me, all of the duties incumbent upon me. >> as a social justice of the supreme court. >> >> as associate justice of te supreme court of the united states. >> and that was just a neil gorsuch making an official publicly as he took the second of two oath's today for the supreme court. he was sworn in at the white house after a private ceremony earlier at the supreme court. that is how it is done. his impact is expected to be felt right away impact. he will be seated just in time to hear the religious rights dispute over the missouri church probably denied estate planning, he will decide whether to take up an appeal that would expand gun rights to carrying concealed firearms in public. and whether business owners can refuse to offer their wedding services to gay couples. and the retract of illegal immigration and travel of refugees. we bring it out to the couch. so this thursday, the justices will be sitting down further meeting. and neil gorsuch will be there. that's when the job begins. and they hear cases next week. >> look at that, he got confirmed, democrats paid a look at the magic of that. after all of that, i was so done last week with the democrats posturing so much about how he was the antichrist because he is conservative. all of that. just simply to get confirmed. the rightful heir to scalia's seat. >> the best part of that for me was that his old boss, justice kennedy was there with him. and justice kennedy has said both publicly and privately that depending on president trump selections, he will be thinking about retiring. so it is a very bittersweet thing to see them together i'm a both distinguished judges, and i hate to see justice kennedy retire, but having said that, if he does it gives another opportunity for the president to put people as accomplished as justice for neil gorsuch on the courts. >> the democrats are less excited than you are, meghan. now we see the conservatives back with her 5-4 majority coming on the question becomes does that inform what we will see coming out of the courts as soon as a few weeks from now? >> absolutely, if there is a stalemate to be had, first of all, the court has less desire to keep things to lower courts. they have with some rulings, particularly one of the stable assets cases that got kicked back to texas, that is where justice clarence thomas wrote a very interesting thing about that. or two in the knees point, seeing the two justices together, it has to blow justice kennedy's mind to see his law clerk. these are younger people who are in law school, and they are in their early 20s. just to see person sitting by his side as a peer, but now part of the choice to your point, maybe president trump was saying, well, if justice kennedy is as comfortable with my next appointment as justice neil gorsuch, there may be it will give him that's a last push that he needs. >> the scary thing for me, kennedy, two years behind me at harvard law. >> i know that you are going to get to that. >> yes, you started when you were 13. >> i was nine years old. >> how did you throw down into that? the court case that is coming up, we have one of the eternities who is representing the owner of the bakery. and that is going to be a big case. he is already saying that he expects that the new justice will be on their side. as this lawyer who is defending the group on behalf of the masterpiece cake shop and its owner. so to that point and what we lead off with, he could have an impact as soon as next week on the supreme court. that being said, everybody talks about this being a win for donald trump, in the rose garden just a few moments ago said coming into look at this, i got this done in my first hundred days, giving himself a pat on the back. how big is this for the president? >> i think it is huge for the president. i think last week was another big week. i think he is going to build momentum coming into this week. i do think that i am very awesome lament optimistic about the health care revolution and a tax cut of the code. >> why are you optimistic about health care right now? >> because i know the president. and he is now assessing the landscape. he has figured with which are neustadt said about the presidency a long time ago. yes, you can use the personality and the force of your base, but you have to cut deals with congress. and with the president figuring it out right now, he will use his charm and his golfing skills, he will use the deal mechanisms that he has in front of his portfolio as president to get these two things done for the american people. he is one of the most adaptive people and one of the most entrepreneurial people that i have met in my life. i have a lot of confidence in him. >> yesterday we saw a mega march in texas against the immigration policies of the current president. and really as the supreme court, the big court as i call it, gets ready to look at immigration in terms of the travel ban, kennedy, where do you think we are going in the fight? you have alertness to that issue in particular. >> you have a fully charge supreme court. he will definitely see. and this will also be a test for justice kennedy. it is interesting, you talk about kennedy, but he is the swing voter. he can be very socially liberal. he can be a libertarian on some issues. and i have a prediction that gorsuch is going to go much in the same way. he will become a swing voter. he is not going to stay as conservative as justice scalia did. >> so does the bandstand or not? anybody? >> i think it has to do with what we have coming up with the international policy. if we decide to really engage in syria, are we going to keep the ban coming with syrian refugees? a lot of questions. >> some obama administration is pushing back with the syrian strategy. the report also shows that one key official is appearing to break with the former president obama on that issue. we will talk about it. and as a u.s. navy strike group deployed to the korean peninsula, president trump has asked that the advisors to be prepared to give him a full range of options to deal with north korea. what should be done? will china work with us? ♪ ♪ >> after last week's u.s. missile strike, obama aides pushing back on criticism of the former president's failure to follow through on the redline threat. they complain that they would not authorize action. former advisor ben rhodes also appearing to belittle the action pleading that obama was excoriated in d.c. for not taking a strike from an airfield in a few hours. and just after the strike on syria, the former state department official also talked of former president. >> the obama administration, we have been reckoning with this for five years, they are not easy answers. and just to simply say, the president put up a redline, and did not act on it is really insufficient in terms of making policy. >> former secretary of state john kerry broke from his -- old boss, he saying that he is absolutely supportive of president trump's strike against syria, happy that it happened so quickly. okay, so i'm going to start with you, anthony. history will judge obama's at legacy in the middle east extremely harshly. of all of the sins of the obama administration, the iran deal is the worst. why are people like ben rhodes criticizing president trump for actually enforcing a line that was all ready in place? >> i would just say one other thing. he enforced the true horse when the generals told him not to. he blamed the agreement, back to 8000 troops without the agreement. you have to add that in there. >> i could talk all day about the sins of the obama administration. >> politically, optically, i think their presidential historians will look at what he didn't say that he overlaid a political bias and a political ideology to a military and geopolitical strategy. i think the one thing that we are all going to like about president trump is that he is not going to do that. he will be focused on national security, putting americans, safety first, and using the military judiciously in terms of sparing military men and women lives and protecting the power that establishes decency. >> no one was more complicit in the obama administration rolled and john kerry, are you surprised to hear from the resorts -- reports that he is supportive? >> no, i am not surprised of that, because his secretary john kerry, he was supportive of these types of issues in the past. he had to hold the line as a team player of the obama administration. i think that susan rice and the president will not look well of the judge by historians 20, 30 years from today. >> home inciting in the white house between two different factions, things that are more hawkish, like me, and people that are nonintervention like you. my team seems to be winning at the moment, what you think? >> i think the win is that pretty momentarily. it is a great illustration of why former administration members are in a panic right no now. with one quick incursion in goes to show that the former president really did not have cohesive understanding of military strategy. that is number one, but then if you also see health care passed, and you see obama carefully repealed, and something that it looks like it is going in a more conservative direction, couple that with some of the executive orders on doing some of the regulations, immigration, and the epa regular. and you see almost a full 75% of undoing of the obama administration philosophy and policy. it's not surprising from john kerry. we have to remember that this was a guy that ran for president, then secretary of state had a very different front row view to global conflicts than he did at senator. it is not surprising to see that there are hawks on both sides of the aisle. but what happens most important question, what do we do from here? that is yet to be answered. >> i was looking at the words of jane harman, a former democratic congresswoman from california. she says that we have to depersonalize this. some people do not like a charm, they are upset that he did this. pitiful policy is right, congratulate those who are carrying it out. are you seeing those? >> yes, i think so. not only do i think so, i think that the american people, 57% of them supported the strike. you have to remember something, you know that the presidency is a bully pulpit as well. sending a message not only to the american people, but the rest of the world. what reagan said was that we get our greatest level of peace through military strength in america. we have been a benevolent superpower, not everybody likes us, not necessarily the russians or the syrians, but we have been a force of good for the last 70 years. we serve press the struggle around the world by and large because of our military strength. the president is projecting that for a reason. that is why you're moving a carrier strike force forward to the korean peninsula. >> scott taylor was on with me last night, and he said that he fully supports what the president has done in terms of the strikes and enforcing the redline. his problem is that 16-year-old authorization for military action across two presidencies can depersonalize it, time for congress to get involved in a debate today. >> so i have a huge issue with that, quickly because congress does not like acting. >> yes, touché. >> meanwhile, just days after president trump order the strike on syria while meeting with china's president, the united states is deploying carrier, that strike group has been going towards the korean peninsula. after the testing. national security advisor says that the president is now prepared with the strategy. watch. >> north korea has been engaged in a pattern of provocative behavior. this is a rogue regime that is now a nuclear capable regime. and they agreed that that is unacceptable. what must happen is to -- the denuclearization of the peninsula. we are given a full range of options to remove the threat. and to our allies and partners in the region. >> it seems that president trump might have convinced china to deal with north korea. secretary rex tillerson told cbs that china said that action has to be taken. saying that there is a shared view of how dangerous the situation has become. anthony, you have greater knowledge about china and to the way that it works. if the economics of the situation. had how well does come to bear as we look forward? >> i think that the american people have to be aware that you have an economic miracle in south korea. when you go to north korea, you cannot even find it on google maps, it has gone back into the stone age they are. and the chinese like that because they do not want to that's capitalistic, democratic system right up against their border. that is one of the main reasons why you have that buffer in the dmc since we signed the armistice in 1953. now the challenge is, the guy has gone rogue. probably not listening to the chinese government as much as you mean, so now what do you do? what the chinese do not want to do, they do not want to get muscled by the americans. at the same time they recognize that something has to happen here. and my guess is over the next 3-4 weeks we will work out a diplomatic situation that will de-escalate the situation. i think sending the carrier group is sending a message to the young dictator, president trump means what he says. >> it is a 1-2 step dance. so the carrier came after. what happened first, the strikes on syria. you talk about the alliance and who is connected to who, iran, russia, and the connection to china, no doubt that they are watching them play out as well. >> and from what was just said, president trump is on the same page with this. so my follow-up question, as we talked about with you, sandra, are the economic sanctions going to be put in place? are they going to hit them where it hurts in terms of their economy. i'm trying to wait for them to put the money where their mouth is. >> rex tillerson said what you just said. to the shared view, no disagreement to how dangerous it has become. he went on to say that i think even china is beginning to see that this is a threat to china's interest as well. please insert that into the pile. >> i totally agree with that. but here's the good news. they need china. they need china for food, natural resources, they need china for a whole host of different things, and he probably wants to survive politically. so my guess is is that there will be a package of things delivered to the north koreans to suppress them once again. >> sanctions are going to do nothing with north korea. all they have been doing is borrowing china's money to buy them birthday present sins. china is sick of it. they see what is going on. and that could be an interesting relationship and a win for both countries if the united states and china can figure out a way to really squash north korea's nuclear program. or they are getting more dangerous. >> we will move on, bureaucrats everywhere, the trump administration is sounding the alarm on big cats ahead. and new reports that no federal agency will be spared. will president trump follow through on shrinking government? 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isn't that that what they put trump in office for? >> yes, in the right measurement, it is a good thing. you look at different studies. to the government percentage of spending, relative to the gdp, and to the federal outlay was about 21%, 22%, now we know it is down in the 18% zone, we get our highest level of economic growth. for the president is trying to do with his team. mulvaney and others. if it gets two big -- it is an octopus on the economy. and striking the growth, that's why you have stagnant middle-class wages and lower wages paid >> responding so well to his first days in office, him getting elected in the first place, we have seen that trombone, how will markets respond? we know that the meeting with mulvaney this afternoon. >> the market loves this activity. we know that working institute, heritage, you can study these things. you can take a 120 year slice in the respond edge. if you keep it on the percent in terms of the outlay, federal spending, you will see that 3% is% growth. >> kennedy looks thrilled. >> yes, absolutely. it seems like it is not that big of a leap from 22% over to 18%, but it really is. i agree with you. i think that this can be very meaningful perceptually. so the markets will take this. they will see the cuts, they will see the cuts in agency. they will see the consolidation. they will take it as a very good sign. and now we have to go to the next painful step. that is tackling the nondiscretionary spending. that is tackling entitlement reform, medicare, medicaid, social security, and if you can make meaningful cuts and consolidations they are, then you will see an even greater impact. also, it is not just about the markets. it is not just about the people who have 401(k), investments in the various markets, it is about people growing the economy. everyone can process a patent. everyone has more financial freedom. >> so how will this play politically? i will hand this to you, meghan. if you liked almost a silly question, but will this space must wear resistance from democrats? >> some of the most popular tweets that i've ever seen or when politicians tweet about the egregious waste. meaning $300,000, the study of mating of grizzly bears in montana. i know that there is one about fish mating habits as well, you can go online, lists and lists and lists. and people respond. or they are like, how come we are wasting my taxpaying dollars on stuff that is quite frankly, and i have never been more entertained in my life, but it is entertaining things that government funds are ridiculous. i think this will be a big home run for president trump. >> an interesting response from some of the agencies. reports that members of the state department are a little bit worried about the reorganization that is going to go on and being affected by the big chunk of money that would come out to per the proposed budget by the president. then you have dr. carson, so i talked to him last night. the 13 plus percent cap on how to, and he has a lot to get done. he is figuring out how to marry private and public funding and get an 8-1 match for private versus federal funding. so you have some players that are going to find ways to work within the budget. you have some that are probably going to feel it in some harsh ways. it will be interesting to see how it all comes about. >> i think that we can agree that we can do more with less. smart people can figure that out. >> maybe that means less private jets for nancy pelosi. there are ways to cut spending in government two that don't necessarily have to do with cutting spending in hide, places like that. a lot of politicians waste a lot on a lot, not everybody needs a private plane. >> democrats looking to pass a bill that will prevent mulvaney and other agencies from identifying themselves as police, is that a good idea, or can it put agents at risk? 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plus a media rallying behind president trump after his decision to strike syria in the wake of those horrific chemical attacks. how long will the praise last? also in dramatic masters tournament ending in a big win for sergio garcia. he nearly 20 years in the making. we have it at the top of the hour. >> goodbye. have fun. i love general jack keane! and i love golf! >> switching legislation that would prevent officials from wearing clothing that identifies them as police. the congresswoman who opposed a bill saying i have heard first-hand from families who fear crime due to the potential of getting caught up with the immigration agents. the following communities less safe, but saying that it is the universal daily recognized term for law-enforcement. and the personnel routinely interacts with individuals from around the world. the often dangerous law enforcement arena being able to identify as law enforcement may be a life or death issue. last month, dozens of democratic lawmakers also sign the letter urging homeland security john f. kelly to direct i.c.e. to remove the word police from our all gear, so anthony, enforcement is part of the i.c.e. acronym, law enforcement, they point out another term for that is police. what do they want them to wear? cad! cardigans and beige slacks? >> probably. the feel good at tired? >> yes, maybe sweaters. there is a problem, we have to call things for what they are. the political correctness. remember that the president, the only thing that he has asked for is enforcing the existing laws on the books of immigration. i don't know why the other side gets so sore at that. my ancestors, possibly your ancestors, we all came in the same way. why can we not do it in the way that is pursuing the law? so let's stop doing this nonsense and political correctness, let's call it for what it is. >> these are really symbols paid what you're talking about is may be changing structurally the immigration laws that we have in this country as opposed to being something that you can say is arguably superfluous. >> a couple of things going on here. if you go to minneapolis where they have had no fewer than 12 convictions of people joining isis or actually having been successful, young people from the somalian, muslim community up there. so they have a problem with police reporting already. there has been some success by having members of the muslim community become police officers, calling them one thing or another never came up in my reporting up there. i would say that. then you have cities like houston, where they have moved to remove themselves from being a part of the presidents apparatus to go out and get people in the communities who are there illegally. if they do not want to be a part of the i.c.e. roundup situation. i do not think it matters what you call them if they are not going to participate. we come back to the idea of how much it matters. their shirts used to say i.c.e. police, so what do they do? >> they would regress very cold water or milk -- molecules. >> when you are debating over what things are called, you are missing the larger issue. it is a red herring with a bunch of liberals trying to attack in tiny little ways president trum president trump's enforcement of his immigration plan. and i think that is shortsighted and will be ineffective. and when democratic malt lawmakers are spending this amount of time on something that is minimal, you have to wonder where the bigger picture is in trying to convince people? >> they are looking at influencing their base, and special reoccurrence of favor, this is a good way to do that. it does not strike me as overly principle. >> it could be a life or death issue as a spokesperson for i.c.e. said, it is accurate for them to use the term police coming and she said in the often dangerous law enforcement arena, being able to identify yourself as law enforcement may be a life or death issue. this is a dangerous game. >> and they are looking at some of the members of their community like they are really dumb. they are being incredibly paternalistic with people who may or may not speak the language, but people know that when they say the word police, they know what it means. >> if your dad was on the job, what would you like him to call himself? and for me it would be police. >> they show that video, it is i.c.e. police, police i.c.e. coming into they are doing what they are supposed to regardless of what you call them. >> well, don't you worry. we have more "outnumbered" right there. or get away. ♪ and how you feel. discover act dry mouth, specially formulated to soothe and moisturize your mouth. and try new act dry mouth spray for relief when you need it. so fast. it was wonderful to have you for today. >> a pleasure to be here. >> there is more. are you going to stay with ask for "outnumbered" overtime? >> i'm not moving. i missing the first inning of the aggies game for this. >> time well spent, we will have you for ten more minutes on "outnumbered" over time. you can find us at facebook.com/outnumberedfnc. we are back on tv live tomorrow at noon eastern. thank you for joining us. 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