Violent repeat offenders off of our streets. Thats absurd. There have been calls for your recusal, you have given any thought to recusal . Thank you. And on the records Griff Jenkins joins us. Griff, she wasnt particularly chatty with you. She wasnt, greta. I disagree with her. Its not an absurd question. She says she doesnt want to litigate this case in the media. She has undeniable broken relationship between the states attorney and police department. At a time when the Gang Violence is spiral out of control worse than it has been in a half century. That was a time for her to Say Something to rank and file cops who are speaking thought multiple news channels in newspapers saying we are afraid if we do our job we are going to go to prison that is a very serious issue right now up there. She seems to think that if she comes from five generations of Police Officers that somehow absolves her from doing her job which is to repair the deep wound that she has inflicted on the police with some of her statements. Listen, im not denying her the right that she comes from this generation. But what is in play right now is the fact that she or the report that she that she told the police to work Gang Violence specifically in the area where freddie gray was arrested and now six officers are charged. And they are trying to do their jobs. The News Conference she was at today going after gang members in a joint federal local task force operation. Thats still doesnt address the fact that cops are afraid to go out there and get the most violent criminals off the street tonight. She on the run. Told the police freddie gray to ramp up and make sure you police the area. Didnt come out right then. Clearly something she didnt want to come out. Any time she talks at the media or talks at somebody she is not doing interviews and people are calling for her to step aside on this case. She must be feeling the heat. As you saw she didnt want to talk to me about the drum beat thats getting louder for the reciewstles. You know, if you look at the whole thing including the autopsy report, which she refused not only to release to the media but also to the police to do their own parallel investigation its hard to see anything as someone who comes from five generations of Police Officers, its hard to see anything she has done supportive of them. And that opportunity that i gave her today was simply to Say Something to the thin blue line and she chose not to take it. Griff, thank you. Is Baltimore States attorney Marilyn Mosby on the defense . You going b. To see griffs interview again but first we will show you what happened just moments before our Griff Jenkins spoke with her. We all know he in Baltimore City its a very small number of individuals that are defining the perception of our city. Those are the individuals that are responsible for the majority of the crime we have been highly and highly effective in targeting those individuals. That didnt just happen overnight. We sat down with the police department, when i took office i have been in office for six months, we developed a comprehensive process in which we started targeting these individuals, thats the reason why you have public enemy number one who is now facing life plus 24 0 years. Thats why you have the public enemy number two who is now facing life plus 50 years. Thats the reason why you have a five time serial rapist who was breaking into peoples homes raping people knife point gotten off four times in the last he three years now facing 31 years being incarcerated it had everything to do with the collaboration with my office and the police department. We will continue to go after these violent repeat offenders and continue to Work Together to do so. Ms. Mosby can i ask you a quick question, rank and file cops have said you dont have their back, what would you like to say to them. Im not going to comment on that. I come from five generations of Police Officers, thats absurd. Of course i work with the police department. We rely on the Bliss Department to get these violent repeat offenders off of our streets thats absurd. There have been calls for your recusal, you have given any thought to recusal . Thank you. Thank you. The on the record legal panel joins us, former homicide detective and defense lawyer ted williams and katie phang. She certainly will take credit for the arrests that were made and congratulations to the police for making those arrests in baltimore today about those gangs. She will take credit for that but she sure doesnt want to talk about her relationship with the police. I know, poor griff. I heard the crickets when he is asking her questions. When she is asked a question he selfserving and selfpromote she has no hesitation basically running her mouth. Whats interesting is when she says im not going to comment instead of sticking with that idea that im not going to comment when she said that to griff she kept on commenting she said it was absurd and said she came from five generations of Police Officers. One thing i wanted to note, greta, and ted is today when the ruling came out or excuse me when the states response to the demand from lt. Rices lawyers to get more specifics about what happened, the States Attorneys Office had the nerve to put into a pleading that the possible jury poll should not be tainted by what is basically put on to the public. She is basically saying we are not going to put anything in the public. Im going to talk to the public anyway when its selfserving. Is she just way over her head . Obviously she injected the politics into this in the beginning. And she has been very clumsy. Almost like she is over her head. Im somewhat sympathetic to ms. Mosby. Why . I think because we have seen a great deal of inexperience on the part of ms. Mosby. She may have. She should step aside. She may have come from a generation of five generations of Police Officers but guess what . If ms. Mosby wants to be fair to these Police Officers and i dont know whether there they are innocent or guilty, but she should step back from this case. I think a special prosecutor should be appointed and i think she should recuse herself. She is too close to this case. There is a bigger problem besides just this case, ted. I have gone to baltimore with griff and talked to Police Officers. You have been there they feel like a substantial number of them feel like she is against them. That is her job is to repair that. And she is doing nothing about it but all she says is that i am from five generations of Police Officers as though thats some sort of like she can do whatever she wants insult Police Officers and ruin the relationship. Greta here it is, saying and she doesnt realize it that these Police Officers, she needs these Police Officers in the community. And she doesnt have their back as she said and quite naturally, these Police Officers dont feel like she has their back. So what happens katie . Well, the one thing i would say about what ted just said is its not that she needs these officers in the community. The community knees these officers in the community. So she is basically breaching the duty that she owes to the people of baltimore. If she is not going to do her job and she doesnt have the integrity and honesty to step aside then somebody is going to need it do it for her. Im interested in ceceing what the court does motions to dismiss or motions for recusal. You know what i would do, katie, i would give a town hall meeting with the police and take their hard questions if i were this prosecutor. The depth of this divide and its really important to the community, its important to her doing the job. Its important to the police and her stand offishness to them and the trail thats been left is not a good one. I think she should take the heat and sit down in the hall with a bunch of police. She needs to sit down and listen to the rank and file. Not these commanders. Not the top echelon of the police department, the rank and file is who she needs to sit down with. Ms. Mosby, if you are watching this show tonight i urge you to sit down with the rank and file. Listen to what they have got to say. They can talk back and forth to you and im sure that maybe you all can come to some kind of agreement. Katie i think she is too stubborn right now to the way he she reacted to any questions. I think she is too stubborn to do that. Absolutely. I think she is letting her pride get in the way. If you are going to sit down and talk to somebody, talk to the cops injured during the riots. Why dont you ask them how are they doing and how are their injuries because they were doing their job when they were injured when the city went up in flames. I think that she is too embarrassed to want to field the hard questions and i think, again, she likes the selfaggrandize when she can Say Something that benefits her she has no hesitation speaking to the media. Over her head. Anyway ted and katie thank you. And this is a fox news alert. The manhunt is on and two dangerous fugitives murderer he is including a cop killer on the loose and they could be anywhere. Investigators have more than 500 leads. At this hour, police, corrections officers, sheriffs, u. S. Marshalls all going door to door. Heavily armed officers setting up road blocks, running vehicle checks, doing everything they can. But still these dangerous two killers remain at large and since saturday. Just hours ago new York Governor Andrew Cuomo and new York State Police superintendent speaking to the media. As Law Enforcement, we are all in during this search. We wont stop until we these convicts captured. We need to find these escapees. They are dangerous men. They are killers. They are murderers. There is no reason to believe they wouldnt do it again. They are going to be more desperate than ever. So were doing everything we can its a top priority to find them and to bring them back. Today the public will have noticed an increased Police Presence both in the village of dannemora and in willsboro in essex county. We continue to go door to door checking homes and seasonal residences. And we continue to do vehicle checks and a number of road blocks in the area. We have more than 450 Law Enforcement members working on this search. We found out that they were gone in the Early Morning hours approximately 5 30 o. They could have been they could have escaped as early as midnight, 11 00. So they had had a several hour head start to begin with. We have had an exhaustive effort as you know. Its not for lack of trying, but were going to redouble our efforts and we are going to keep looking until we find them. The New York Times jesse mckin solid is in upstate new york. He joins us. Tell us the latest on the manhunt. The details that came out of todays press conference with the governor was this idea that perhaps these two convicts had patched go to vermont to new york after escape. Once again, they are dealing, as you mentioned with up to 500 tips. One of the things i asked joe today how are you sorting these . This is an enormous amount of information flowing from enormous amount of sources. They feel that vermont has some intrigue to them. Bringing joe out today coordinate and say that vermont is also all in on this investigation signaled to me that might be be an open line of inquiry. Its so bizarre. Why they would think vermont. Look at these two. First of all, we dont know whether they have split up or not. We dont know how they are dressed. They left anywhere from as the Governor Cuomo said from maybe midnight friday into saturday morning. They have been on the run now a number of days. We dont know if they hopped a train. They need, food, money and transportation. We know a woman was attempting to help them. You know, how much help did she really give them . Do they have any weapons . Did she give them any weapons . Did they have help from anybody else . The number of questions is enormous. They could be in alabama for all we know forget vermont. You are absolutely right. That is whats going on here is that the further you get away from the actual escape the more the questions multiply. You are absolutely right. They could have changed clothe. They could have changed their hair colors. They could have figured out how to get a vehicle. There is a sense of frustration, i think, on the ground here that they have not made progress. But this talking to police officials, they say again and again look, this were in this for the long haul. We are going through every lead. We have got to chase everything down. They will start pleading patience acertain point. We are in day five with it. And i think you are right that the number of open questions just continues to spiral. All right. Joyce mitchell, the woman who is who works within the prison, is she talking to Law Enforcement . Is she giving them any information . Is she giving them any hints as to where they might be going . They have said that she has been somewhat cooperative. She has not been charged. Been arrested. There have been rumors flying fast and furious that that could be in the offing at any hour. But, as of now she has not been arrested. As for the quality of the information she is giving, we he dont know that either. What we do know is that joe told us again today is that theyre talking not only to her but talking to other people inside that prison. Did she supply them with any tools to get out . Once again not clear. They have released no details on the tools other than saying a couple days ago that they had kind of limited number of tools but that they were looking for others which led me to believe that perhaps, you know, we are talking about not just a single grinder or, you know, a pair of a hack saw or Something Like that but maybe they had had a battery that they were hauling around to kind of get out of there. This is terrifying, jesse, they could be anywhere. These two have nothing to lose by being if they get cornered by anybody. Jesse, thank you. Absolutely, thank you. Now, the absolutely disagreement about this. Richard matt, one of the two is evil cold blooded killer. He dismembered an elderly man. His halfbrother is worried that his brother will not go down without a fight. Wayne schimpf joins us on the phone. Your level of certainty that he will go down fighting is, what . Pretty much 100 . He said to me once before that he could do another seven years. There is no way heed would do life ever. I believe they will not take him alive. Is there any way to apeople to him at all should he be cornered . I would beg him if he ever hearses this or anybody gets it to him please turn yourself in and let everybody be at ease finally not be in fear over this. Why we turn himself in . You are his halfbrother. You testified against him. You ever terrified he is going to come for you. I mean, how can anything you have said that he is a con man. How could anyone possibly think that he is going to turn himself in . I dont see how anybody could think that but you still have to you still have to ask. I mean, somehow somewhere there still has to be some shred of human being in him that maybe he might, you know, he might finally listen. I doubt it, but i would hope so. How clever is he . He needs money. He needs transportation. He needs food. You know, he has got to get those things. Its now been about five days. I think he has no problem doing it. When he took off from mexico, when he stole my van, he he had under 200 in his pocket. Made it down to texas. Crossed the rio grande into mexico. So this couple days, i think, is nothing for him. I mean, he has a way of too long it he is a thief, he is a con man. Any woman that comes across him, he will try to charm them and he can do it. Well, even with 200 he cant even buy gas to get down to mexico with 200 these at as. Unless with any possibility he has access to money . I have no idea unless somebody is helping him out on the outside that nobody knows about, i couldnt answer that. Does he have any friends . Anybody who he possibly might contact . All i could think of was possible old girlfriends. What about are you the only surviving sibling . Yes maam. And you are terrified of him at this point. Yes. If he contacted me i would contact the u. S. Marshals or police right away. I have no desire to help him at all. I want him caught. But we contact you for help or does he want to contact you to get back at you because you testified in court against him putting him in prison . You know, i honestly could not answer that because i believe it could be either or. I mean as far as i know, he could try to call me, you know, be like oh, you know, im your brother. Can you help me . And have all the intentions of killing me. I dont know. I just i really do not want to have to deal with that. Macy the age difference between the two of you . Im sorry, i couldnt hear. You whats the age difference between the two of you . One year. One year. Wayne i hope he doesnt show up at your house. I hope he is picked up very soon. Is he very violent and very evil. We just dont know where he is wayne i wish you the best of luck. Thank you very much, greta. More calls to the public to help give any clues that might lead to the capture of these dangerous killers. At this hour a 100 sweep from the Clinton Correctional Facility to the surrounding community. Clinton county sheriff David Favreau is in the prison where the killers escaped from. He joins us on the phone. Good evening, sir what is 1 100 sweep what does that mean . Excuse me . Could you repeat that greta . What is the 100 sweep that were told you are doing . What does that mean . Its actually the stat