Thank you, panel. As always, thanks for inviting us into your home tonight from concord, new hampshire, thats it for this special report, fair, balanced, and unafraid. No online show tonight. Greta goes on the record right now. Developing now, ukraine out of control. More missiles shooting down planes, this time fighter jets. So were they fired by the same attacker whos took down flight 17 . At this hour president obama is on the west coast busy on his fundraising trip. Meanwhile, back at home in washington, d. C. , senator john mccain is calling the Obama Administration cowardly. He will go on the record in just moments. Fox news Steve Harrigan live in ukraine with the very latest. Steve . Greta, two more planes shot down in Eastern Ukraine today. This time both military planes. They were f2 fighters. Soviet era made by the Ukrainian Government flying low within the crash site. Near the border with russia. Likely flying low in support of infantry. Ukraine is mapping an offensive now against the rebels. They were probably hit with shoulder mounted rockets. Not the sophisticated antiaircraft missiles that were used to bring down that civilian malaysian liner but really a sign of just how dangerous the skies in ukraine are. And just how dangerous that site remains with this hot war going on. A number of International Experts still havent been able to reach the scene and begin the work. Different turn it of events for some the victims after days in body bags and on broken down trains, a real turn for the better as far as respect and dignity goes for 40 victims who have made it to the netherlands. They were put on private hearses and given a sign of respect from the dutch nation. The identification project will begin now. The rest of the bodies will arrive in nethers lie the end of the week. Days to week to make identification using d. N. A. Analysis of teeth and hair before those bodies are
repatrioted. Greta, back to you. Steve, as it calmed down at all or i mean obviously if they shot down two fighter planes not shot down on the air but what about on the ground. On the ground, the rebels are actually losing territory. They retreated from the outskirts of this city where i am now, moving into the city center and kicking out University Students and taking over their dorm story Tropical Storm dormitories. Keep in i understand moo, both sides have heavy armor and rockets. This is a city of a million people. So donesk could be in a real fight. Thank you. John mccain with razor sharp words for the administration calling it cowardly in the handling of the ukraine crisis. Nice to see you sir. Thank you, greta. Cowardly why. Cowardly not to give these people weapons for which to defend themselves. Im not positive that this wouldnt have happened but i think if the ukrainians had been giving what they were
begging for rather than mres, im not making this up. They finally decided to give them mres but they didnt want to fly them this. Leased german trucks to truck them in. Im not making that up. We see these weapons pouring across the border from russia into Eastern Ukraine. We wont give them any defensive weapons. They may have been able to succeed in moving those, quote rebels as they are called out of ukraine and maybe this wouldnt have happened. Whats the backup of president obama . Why wouldnt he want to do that . What i was told, they didnt want to provoke Vladimir Putin. The misreading of Vladimir Putin is the most amazing thing to me that it is just boggles the mind. And when i say its cowardly. I think its cowardly not to help people who are begging to for our help to eject people who are ininvestigating their invading their country. Taking crimea. Literally invading their country. These people that are in the country are, some of them are, quote russianspeaking ukrainians but a hell of a lot of them are just russians who have come in at the behest of Vladimir Putin to create unrest. If you continue to have that part of ukraine in turmoil, their economy cannot recover. Thats where the major industry is. How do you stop putin at this point . Oh, i think slap sanctions, sector sanctions on. Send the weapons to these people, move reinvigorate our missile systems. And check republic and poland. Move nato troops into at least temporarily into areas that are more surrounding this area of the world where there is such unrest. And condemn our socalled european friends. Do you really think that the
french are going to revoke the sale of those two helicopter carriers hot russians who have openly said they could have gotten the georgia operation done in 45 minutes with those carriers. The europeans are not going to do anything until they are energy independent, senator hole green, barrasso and i put together a proposal that within three years we could get natural gas from fargo, north that coat to europe and that will change the whole scenario. Until they are energy independent, the europeans arent going to do a damn thing. Well, even with his own party, he has people objecting, senator feinstein objecting to him and his fundraiser. At least thats the way i read this. This is senator feinstein. Im not going to tell the president what to do. But i think the world would very much respect his increased attention on this matter. And i think there ought to be increased attention. Well, he was out in california, she ought to be glad of that. But, look. Out in california, you know what he said at a fundraiser today. He was talking, he said i would love nothing more than a loyal and rationale opposition. Basically saying the g. O. P. Is not loyal and rationale. The selfpity that he continues to exhibit is really kind of sad, really. You know, i cant work with them and all. When is the last time he really called leaders of both parties together over at the white house, say, for a dinner, a social event, you know, that reagan was best at, clinton did, bush did. Why isnt he . I cannot explain it except to say that he does not have this desire to have social interface with people and sit down and try to work things out. Right now, we he have got ukraine. We have got the border. Israel . We have got israel. We have got iraq. We have got more problems, more crises than i have ever
seen both foreign and domestic. I said i have never seen more turmoil. Everybody says im talking about turmoil in the world. I have never seen more. You might want to hear my offtherecord at the end of the show tonight. I know you have got a busy schedule. You might want to hear what i have to say about that nice to he so you, sir. Thank you. News tonight that a month ago ukraine had asked the u. S. And nato jamming to block very painful question could that radar jamming equipment had we delivered it, could it have prevented the downing of flight 17, the daily beast eli lake broke that story. Nice to see you, eli. What did ukraine ask from us and nato and when. Specifically asked for Electronic Warfare technology. The idea would be Radar Technology and jamming out date and russians can defeat it. If you can somehow jam the
radar then you deny the admissibility of adversary to aim. At the time they asked nato for radar jamming, would it have been possible or likely or probable to be able to get that equipment to ukraine so in time it might have prevented this crash . No. This wasnt asked for some kind of Technology Given the time frame nobody says it would have been able to get there to prevent that crash. They were asking for it we have to understand is last month when the United States publicly disclosed that they did see these systems from russia coming into ukraine. And that was a point at which this was absolute. Is this just simply a back off of the Obama Administration to want to get their hands into the ukraine separatist movement problem . There has always been an intelligence issue because the Ukrainian Military in particular was extremely
close to the russians until february. There is a concern very sensitive equipment given to the ukrainians could be reverse engineered by the russians. Fascinating article by the daily beast that you broke. Thank you, eli. Thank you. Not just ukraine. Try our borders. Disturbing new information about immigration crisis. New Research Showing that children under 12 years old are are the Fastest Growing group of minors crossing our border compared to pew research compared to last year, 117 increase in the number of children 12 and younger caught at the border. 117 increase. And the l. A. Times molly hen see joins us. Nice to he so you, molly. Hi, greta. Thanks for having me. Molly, why the huge jump, the 117 . Why do people think thats jumping so high . Well, and that 117 represents children who are being caught crossing the border unaccompanied. Without their parents. This is a variety of reasons i talk to some of the
children as well as parents who came with children. We have seen a tripling in the number of those kids who have been caught with their parents crossing. You hear people say that they heard about these permissos that he they would be given permission to statement you hear about people talking about economic conditions, poverty, violence, threats from gangs, extortion also coming for medical help. Well what sort of provoked the permissos all of a sudden becoming so prevalent that you hear so much about it. Why . Its give to say. The people i talked to i pressed them. I was down in the border a couple of weeks ago, i went out with Border Patrol and out with them apprehending people. I would ask them did you hear about these per missos i heard on the news or my friends wasnt exactly clear how they were finding out. Continue to come into the country. In terms of what is their condition when he they arrive, the ones you saw . Well, i was able to go in
with Border Patrol to one of the stations in brownsville, texas, where the children are housed and we saw the children. We werent able to speak it them or interview them but they have added a lot to accommodate the children. They have added showers. They have volunteers and fema staff who come and take them out for recreation outside. The Border Patrol agents who i spoke with said look, we are not trained to work with children. These facilities were not designed to be housing them. So then they do turn them over within 17 hours to run longer term shelters. The facilities here on the border have been overwhelmed. In recent weeks they have seen a little bit of a drop of the number of children who have been apprehended. Not clear whether that is going to continue, whether its sustainable. Molly, thank you. Thank you. Its not just the border states. Thousands of immigrant children moving on right through the border states to states across america and many governors dont know how they will pay for them. Now, several governors
demanding president obama take action. Gary herbert joins us. Good evening, sir. Good evening to you, greta, great to be with you. Governor, you and several other governors have written a letter to the president of the United States. What did you write the president and what do you want . Well, i think were exhibiting frustration about the immigration problem. Particularly with 57,000 undocumented children being at our southern border. As we have asked about that, we are finding out that not only are they there, but they are being placed with relatives and sponsors who are also undocumented. Further just exacerbating the problem. Is this, i mean, do you have any real problem now or are you predict that you are going to have a problem later you . Are not a border state but you are a big state. I mean, are these just sort of like you are worried about whats to come . That is certainly part of it and its not just about utah. Its about america. We are not a border state but a lot of undocumented
immigrants filter up to utah. We have about 100,000 we estimate now in the state of utah. There has been kind of a diminishment of that because of the recession. Enough to that the economy is starting to turn around, you see this surge is taking place. Why we are sending parents and young people on the bordered in the hope of getting inside america really is puzzling in many ways and certainly not a very good healthy immigration policy for america. You have had any sort of interaction or response. I realize you just sent the letter to the president. Any response from the Obama Administration so at least you are considering or willing to work with you or do they ignore you . Well, i dont think they have ignored us. Secretary burwells with sensitive to questions being asked on both sids of the aisle but particularly sponsors that they dont ask the question whether they are documented or not. The estimates are that nearly half of them arent. So we have a problem there
that she at least is aware of. The question is really what do we do . I think for governors, we are frustrated that nothing is really happening in washington, d. C. There is a dearth of leadership. The president wont even go down to the border to look and see firsthand whats taking place. He needs to come up with a plan of first securing the border. I think thats something everybody agrees with why can we not at least take that first step of securing the border and deincentivizing people from coming across the border. You talk about the young people, and thats a significant rise of what 117 of these young people that are coming to our borders, most of them unaccompanied with adults. But, adults are still coming, also. They are the largest numbers still. If there is no plan, why do you not feel ignored you . Said a minute ago you dont feel ignored. I would think i would feel ignored if i thought this was a big problem coming down the road and i alerted of them to it and got basically no plan. Well, when i say ignored,
we had the meeting thatment proked the letter just a week ago. Im going to give them at least some grace period to respond to the letter. Again, i think the secretary of health and her response, she is happy to do something thats very difficult. She accident create policy on the border. Thats the congress and thats the president. So, from the standpoint of nothing is being done, we are kicking the can down the road, i guess you are right, we are being ignored. Frankly the governors are tired of it we have tried to do some things in our states. We have been told very directly by the courts this is a federal issue. Okay. Well back off. But we expect the federal government to do something. And, again, the president has got to lead. He has a 3. 7 billiondollar program out there. Senator reid and the Senate Democrats have a 2. 7 billiondollar proposal. There they are only a billion apart. I know in washington, d. C. Thats a rounding error. Thats real money to the city of utah and taxpayers. They have got to show leadership and bring people
together, particularly we all to secure the border. I dont understand why that cant be d governor, thank yo. Thank you. And this week, the president s of guatemala, el salvador and honduras will meet with president obama here in washington at the white house. Joining us, guatemalaen foreign minister fernando, nice to he see you sir. Nice to see you as well. Welcome to the United States. Thank you very much. Why are children leaving your country for the u. S. A. . Well, i think what happened the last three years is that the criminal found a way of fooling families. Central america that they could get some kind of legal establishment and they provide a service and because of the number of cases you have your judicial system now, migration, some of them have stayed longer, and so, started to say to the families, you see, we told you, you know, they are staying in the u. S. Legally and they were fooled because of that and thats why so
many children have come now. Whats sort of unusual though is guatemala, mexico, to the United States. And just this month, the president of guatemala and the president of mexico signed an agreement to make it sort of an easier transit through mexico, right . No, no. Thats not correct. Okay. The agreement is the agreement has two parts, right . One is that along the border that we share, 80kilometers within mexico and also within guatemala, there would be some kind of a there is a lot of trade and we activity. Beyond that point, 80kilometers within mexico, control starts to get stricter and stricter. Until they reach more or less 3300 south of mexico convocation city. Mexico city. Mexico has said very clearly they dont want migrants from Central America to move to northern mexico and they
will collaborate. Are they actually stopping them at the southern Mexican Border . The idea is that with this system created, everybody in guatemala will be having a card. There will be issued free by the government. Which allows them to go into mexico . Within those 80kilometers. Thats why it looks like its easier to get into mexico. Let me ask you another question. The children being deported back to guatemala. Are you able to absorb them . By all means, no problem with that. You want your children back . No problem with that. What do you want when the president meets with your president meets with our president at the white house this week, what is it that will help your country so that we dont k. At least try to put a lid on this problem for both countries. Two major issues. One is the issue of coordinated Action International criminal networks. I think that is important so we can have all of this International Networks under control in the u. S. And
mexico and in Central America. They work along the three territories and the second thing that is very important is longterm investment in social and Economic Opportunities most children are left because there is not enough secondary education. Guatemala. If we send them back to you or deport them back which is what is happening you cant even put them i