He is only president cause of a stupid idea from the 1700s that was meant to apiece people in the rural south and slave states. Hopefully the Electoral College will hear us and go with the popular vote which hillary clearly won. The true democracy is who wins the popular vote. It was not the most votes. Democracy stand Electoral College must end. Im protesting this Electoral College because donald trump did not have the popular vote. The majority of americans wanted Hillary Clinton. Not donald trump. More people wanted her than him. He may have gotten the electorals but she still had the popular vote and we, the people, dont have the voice. So not everybody thinks the results are legitimate. Among those who believe trump could lose this election electors those charged with choosing the next president in Electoral College. We will talk to at least one tomorrow, i think. Others in the Electoral College be abolished is that possible even and is it a good idea. With us is dr. John gilmore. Public policy of the college of william and mary in virginia. Professor, its great to see you tonight. Good to be here. First to the rumors floating around the social media they are ubiquitous. I went over them with my children last night is it possible for the Electoral College to take the presidency away from trump. Possible in the technical sense in that electors are free to vote who they want to once they cast their vote for the elector. The republican electors who are supporting trump are republican donors. They are activists. They are people who spent years working for the republican cause. So for them to get there at their to the Electoral College and cast their vote for Hillary Clinton or somebody else is just about inconceivable and some states its actually illegal. Actually required by state law. Its not going to happen. I wonder though just as an american what do you think the message of people talking about that possibility is to the people who voted for trump . Well, i think those people are just really disappointed and this is their way of working through disappointment. In so doing arent they also sending a really clear message we dont care about you your issues or election result we were willing to subvert democracy because we dont like the result. I think they would be happy to undermine the legitimacy of trumps election. Yes. Maybe thats what theyre trying to do and say if he is sworn in as president , he is not really a legitimate president. You say that the Electoral College itself ought to be abolished, why . Two main problems with it one of them is that you get the situation like this where one candidate wins the popular vote. Right. It looks like Hillary Clinton is likely to win with a margin of about 1. 5 million votes. A lot more than al gore got in 2,000. But donald trump has substantial lead in the Electoral College vote. And thats just difficult to explain. Its difficult to explain to people why the candidate who won the popular vote isnt going to be the president. Because its happened pretty recently 16 years ago. We are all kind of familiar with this and we knew that going in, right . Thats right. There is a second reason why the Electoral College isnt good. A number of them. Second most important one means the candidates arent competing for much of the country. States like california, texas, illinois, new york, new jersey, are completely off limits for the candidates. At one point trump went in staged Campaign Events in mississippi and texas. And people were making fun of him for doing that because everybody knew he was going to win those states. Why campaign there . I think it was much better. Isnt the opposite true . If the popular vote were all that mattered then the Population Centers would be the only places that anyone campaigned or paid attention to. And, yet, you know, our cities are the places where all the jobs are all the money is, all the prosperity is, and the rest of the country has nothing and you are suggesting taking the one thing they have left which is political power away from them. Candidates already campaign in plenty of places that arent big silly. They have to because of the Electoral College. I dont think it would make that big a difference. If you took that away why would i ever leave chicago, los angeles and houston. There are plenty of votes all over the place. There is a big country out there between georgetown and malibu that great dark space we never visit from washington. All those people would be ignored, no . They wouldnt be ignored but more attention would be focused on cities but thats where people are thats why its important for campaigns to campaign in front of people. Everybodys vote count. The current way we elect president s a lot of people dont exist. Huge states we know is going to go for one party or the other are completely ignored by the candidates. I think thats unfortunate. You are saying that like sophisticated affluent you coastal culture doesnt get enough attention in our society. Not in the election. Not in the election. Were just not paying attention to Barbra Streisand and her friends . She gets plenty of attention. Well, we agree. Preston, great to see you tonight. Thank you. You are welcome. We appreciate it Vice President elect mike pence spent the day guilded inside the trump power. Mr. Trump and the transition team. Rob schmidt is outside the building right now in midtown where he has news of staff shakeups. Rob, whats going on . Yeah, tucker. You know, its been an interesting day at trump tower. And actually senator ted cruz just left the tower just a few minutes ago. Maybe Donald Trumps biggest rival in the primary race, all those nasty things that were said. And here is he today paying a visit. So thats politics for you, as strange as it can be sometimes. And i think that as surprised as everybody was with this election last week to see donald trump take this election and win it. It appears that his staff was as well. And thats why this transition right now isnt going as smooth as you would maybe think that it would. Certainly not one of the smoothest that we have seen. There is about 4,000 jobs. More than 4,000 jobs to fill here, tucker. One snyder tol insider told us e game of thrones. Cut throat as dirty as politics can be. Thats what they say its like inside of this campaign right now. So its very interesting. And most important to those jobs is going to be the cabinet. The president elects cabinet who is going to be filling those major positions. We will giveou insight into that. A lot of names floating around at this point and loyalty, of course, as we have seen with donald trump has been so key. Those who are loyal to him are always pretty well taken care of. Maybe nobody more loyal than alabama senator Jeff Sessions who an insider told us today basically gets his pick of what he wants to do. Because he was so loyal to donald trump. Even from the getgo of this thing. He was always a strong backer. Never wavering on his support for the president elect. He could end up being defense secretary. Thats the way it is looking right now. Maybe attorney general as he is a lawyer. We have to wait and see how all these things come out. Also former new york city mayor Rudy Giuliani could wiped up being secretary of state. Is he a strong candidate for that position. Speculation that he would be attorney general actually went to rest last night when he killed that idea. Here is Campaign Manager for the Trump CampaignKellyanne Conway with more on that. He addressed this. He said he would not be attorney general. He is, i think, actively thinking about secretary of state. That decision is ultimately Donald Trumps. We know he would be an incredible secretary of state. We know he would represent this country very well around the world as he went to implement Donald Trumps vision. Well, v. P. Elect mike pence had a very busy day today. Is he heading this transition now. He took over for new Jersey Governor Chris Christie who really has had a tough year. A tough several months. And after the bridge gate trials came to an end, i believe last week when two of his top staffs were found guilty, thateally looked bad. And that really put a bad taste in the mouth of a lot of people around the country and of course here in new jersey and new york where we followed that trial much closer that nearly destroyed the new jersey governors reputation. That has pushed him out of this administration at this point. A big day for mike pence though. The Vice President elect tomorrow, is he going to sign some documents allowing the Obama Administration to share information with the trump transition team. This afternoon donald trump did receive his first daily intelligence briefing. That, of course, a big thing as well tore donald trump. Trumps Campaign Finance chairman monda taketaxes bace havent seen since the reagan administration. Send it back to you. Thanks, rob, we appreciate it this just in more lunancy from the ivory tower. Thomas jefferson you remember him. Wisest man in history. Author of the declaration of independence, third president and top it all off the founder of the university of virginia is apparently no longer welcome on his own campus. A group of 500 uva students title historical and one professor have petitioned the universitys president to stop quoting mr. Jefferson because he once owned slaves. For one thing god bless her for this the president pushed back said quoting historical figure does not imply endorsement of all the social structures and beliefs of his time such as slavery and the exclusion of women of color, people and women of color from the university, end quote. After all, if you ran away from everyone who once owned slaves in history, at least one great world religion would be in trouble. Time for tonights twitter storm. Report from the hurricane eye of social media one hash tag trending on twitter. Started on the left and quickly became appropriated by some on the right. Begin tonight by the left. Media rant tore tweete tweeted s cant change name of Electoral College to trump university. What do you mean i cant turn it into a reality show. One we will leave it to you decidetodecide who won. How did a thoroughly secular manhattan billionaire win over so many evangelical voters. We will introduce you to some of the christians who helped elect donald trump. Thats next. Also, hillarys campaign is gone. But her email scandal lives on possibly forever. Jason chaffetz, chairman of the House Oversight committee joins us next to explain why his investigation may continue. Well, early in the campaign you will remember donald trump was mocked confused how many corinthians there were in the new testament . Did evangelical voters care . It didnt effect their votes. They supported trump overwhelmingly. Ground breaking new series where we explore life outside of washington, new york and los angeles. Jonathan serrie headed out the first sunday after the election to talk to some of those voters. Republicans have long courted christians, especially during the primaries. But donald trump won white evangelicals by a record 81 in last weeks president ial election. Unlike a previous nominees who sort of backed away and kept those voters and their iues at arms length during the general election, he embraced them and pulled them close. It may seem an unlikely marriage for a candidate who has been twice divorced and often criticized for vulgar banter. They were never under any allusions that donald trump was one of them. But conservative political activist ralph reid says evangelicals had a simple request. That he shared their issues agenda and that he would fight for it and during the course of a very tough campaign, he persuaded them on both of those points. Atop their agenda composition of the Supreme Court and abortion. Evangelicals feel very strongly about abortion. I dont know if roe vs. Wade would get overturned but it would be my hope. The issue of sanctity of life was paramount. He came out strongly prolife. Hillary definitely is not. And the fact that is he prolife is my main reason. Im not necessarily voting for a candidate. Im investigating for the platform. Dr. Michael yousef who runs a Worldwide Television and Radio Ministry says evangelical voters dont just care where their candidates stand on the issues but the people he surrounds himself with. I know mike pence who is a great man and a stallwart supporter of life. He was that when he was in congress. I have no hesitation whatsoever in voting for the ticket. The role conservative christians played in this election disproved any doubts about their staying power according to hollywood actor kurt cammeron. It did not turn out to be the final hour for evangelical christians in america, but potentially our finest hour. Many christians see the election as a victory for their core beliefs and values. But in order for their agenda to reach fruition, evangelical leaders understand this is just the first step and they need to remain actively involved in the political process. Tucker . Thanks, jonathan. Well, a week ago donald trump won such a large percentage of the blue collar vote that even the Hillary Campaign seemed surprised by it one person who definitely was not shocked was our next guest he is a former democratic senator from the state of virginia who some believe may wind up in the Trump Administration former senator jim webb and he joins us right here on the set. Senator, good to see you. You havent said how have voted for you think its private. You have we can assume you are at least not hostile to the president elect. So the question trying to unravel in washington is how exactly did the democrats lose their hold on the White Working Class which they claimed for generations . Well, i have been talking about this since before i even ran. Yeah. That the base of the Democratic Party used to be working people, regardless of race, ethnic, or ethnic identity sexual orientation, et cetera. That was a rosen vet agenda and truman agenda. Over time and i think particularly over the last 8 years, the Democratic Party has moved into Interest Group politics and in many cases white working people have become the whipping post or were. I think what you saw in this election here is white working people in these rural areas seeing that someone actually was articulating the fact that they had become disenfranchised and they gravitated toward trump in my view. Seen as embarrassing to take up the cause of that group. Analysts are thinking why would they align with a billionaire from manhattan. In your speech today you said something really interesting. We will but the it on the screen if we could. You said 60 more immigrants china to the United States college degrees. More than 20 of whites from appalachia have college degrees. Much more misinformed debate. Advantaged. Privileged while being a socalled minority is to somehow be disdisadvantaged. Why wouldnt the people of kentucky be offended by that premise. What i think has happened i mention in there from the immigration act of 1965 forward, the ethnic and racial makeup of the country has dramatically changed, but the laws with respect to affirmative action and the diversified have not. I mean, the laws were originally designed to help africanamericans move away from the what they call the badges of slavery. It was the 13th amendment. A slavery amendment. It expanded to the point where its anybody who doesnt happen to be white was included in these diversity programs. And you see a natural reaction. You know, i mentioned clay county, kentu poorest county in america. 94 white and wouldnt if you were in that county with 40 poverty rate, wouldnt you think this is reverse discrimination . But you are privileged. Hillary clinton said explicitly you are privileged just by virtue of your skin color. She is the only person who has said that. Thats sort of become a mantra and affected, i think, the afint of white working people toward the Democratic Party in a negative way. So, i think what you are saying is a lot of these voters, regardless of how they felt about trump were so alienated by the Democratic Party and their views they couldnt vote democrat. A lot of the people analyzing what happened. Some are saying its the economy. Its not just the economy. Its not just guns. Its not just even the evangelicals with respect to their votes. Its a dignity issue and also a fairness issue with respect to how they see the government working. What do you mean fairness . Fairness, in terms of government policies. When you have diversity programs that exclude people simply because they are white. And white cultures are very stratified by the way. The white, you know, when you have a racial makeup for your statistics, people tend to forget that the people at the bottom, in terms of income and education have been frozen out of a lot of stuff in this country. So my last question. You were a democrat, represented, obviously, the commonwealth of virginia as a doctorate. I think you still are a democrat as far as i know. What do your friends in the Democratic Party say when you say things like that. I have been saying it for a long