about a lot of the big issues of our time. recently, at least for a lot of us, you did an interview with a gentleman by the name of mikely lin, former navy seal, and you gave your opinion of the media. i want to read you something that ted koppel recently said. see if you agree with it, want to add to it or subtract from it. he said the other day, i'm terribly concerned that when you talk about "the new york times" these days, when you talk about "the washington post," we'real t talking about "the new york times" of 50 years ago, we're not talking about "the washington post" of 50 years ago, we're talking about organizations that i believe have, in fact, decided as organizations that donald trump is bad for the united states, that we have things appearing on the front page of "the new york times" right to now that never would have appeared 50 years ago, analysis and commentary on the front page. he also said this perception that the establishment press is out to get him -- meaning the president -- doesn't mean that great journalism does nothing, but the notion that most of us look upon donald trump as being an absolute fiasco, he's not mistaken in that perception, and he's not mistake when so many of the liberal media, for example, describe themselves as belonging to the resistance. what does that mean? what does that mean? have you experienced this too? >> i have. and i have to say that the i was cheering -- that i was cheering when i heard it reported on what ted koppel had said, because i thought, wow, finally someone else is standing up, and i'm not alone anymore. because when it's just me, i'm easy to crush, right? but when it's myself and it's ted koppel, and there was a former managing editor at "the new york times" who came out and said the same thing, they've become the paper of record against donald trump. and so what you're seeing is a growing number of figures, and this restores my faith in journalism. because i know these people are there, i know i'm not alone ranger. eye -- a lone ranger. i know i'm not the only journalist who's watching in horror opinion and we your ty the language is passed off as fact, where anonymous sources are given complete cover to do political assassinations without any regard for the consequences of what they're doing, where journalists are walking hand in hand with propaganda groups and pushing forward narratives that are not based in fact, that are not based in honest journalism, that are nothing more than, you know, political targeting thinly disguised as journalism today. and you know the best part about all of in the, mark? there's one set of people who are not fooled by any of it. they lock the context very often, they lack a lot of the information to know exactly the extent of how they're being deceived and manipulated. but they know in their guts, and that's the audience. that's the viewers, that's the readers. that's all the people, the length and breadth of this country whether they're democrats or republicans who are lining up to have in the conversation right now. who know that something is not right, and that's why they're turning away from the news, and that's why they're not watching, and that's why they're frustrated, and that's why there's so little trust and faith in the media these days. and responsibility and accountability begins with us. mark: why do you think this is the case? the why do you think one ideology, really one party, is so ubiquitous in newsrooms whether it's newspapers, whether it's cable tv, whether it's network tv, whatever it is? is it that this is taught in journalism school or it's become more of a sort of a social circle or they hire one another? how to you explain this? >> well, in my experience there's several parts to this. it's no secret that the vast majority of academic institutions in this country are liberal, right? and for me, i want to be very clear here. i'm an independent thinker, okay? nobody owns me. i'm not owned by the left and i'm not owned by the right. nobody owns me. i want to be very clear about that, because i've been falsely labeled as being pretty9ically motivated in any -- politically motivated in any derek, and one of that is true. what bothers me is one political ideology dominates almost all of your academic institutions. and that same political ideology dominates all of your newsrooms, almost all of your newsrooms. let's face it, until fox news in television where did you go if you weren't liberally-minded or moderate, if you like, if you wanted to hear an alternative point of view or conservative point of view? where did you go in television? there was nowhere to go. fox news, to me, is so successful because there are so many americans saying, hey, i want a different point of view. i want to hear something else. and most people will look at a little, you know, sample of all different kindss of media -- marc. mark: this is why fox news is under attack by cnn and msnbc and "the new york times" does a big story, and the "new yorker" magazine does a big story, and then the all of a sudden their hosts are under attack, and they're being boycotted and their advertisers are being -- because they cannot tolerate even one platform that doesn't do the dance? >> yes. because when they're all singing from the samein hymn sheet, all their butts are covered, aren't they? nobody's challenging them, nobody's holding them to account for what they're reporting. we all go sailing along thinking we're doing such amazing, outstanding work. there was an incredible reporter who said this, anyone's seen the message to kill the messenger, he broke the story about the cia's involvement in the crack cococaine on the streets of america -- cocaine on the streets of america. well, gary webb won the pulitzer, and then he was destroyed. this man killed himself, by the way, shooting himself twice in the head which is quite an achievement. and he said i was going, you know, to journalism colleges, and i was giving speeches, and i was getting awards and, you know, i was being lauded and recognized by my whole profession, and then i realized what it was really about. it wasn't because i was to is great and because my work was so good, it was because i'd never ngdone, i'd never written anythg important enough to suppress. and that ended with gary webb having no career, no family. he lost everything and then he lost his life. so when you stay inside the bubble and inside the narrative, right, that dominates the media industry, it's a safe place to be. because nobody's coming after you. these propaganda groups, and one in particular media matters for america, they're targeting fox news hosts like sean hannity and tucker carlson and laura ingraham morning tonight. they have an army of people who are paided to do this. that's their job. every day when they wake up, they're looking for a way to destroy these people. mark: but they feed the oh media outlet, and they're more than happy to use the opposition research, believe it or not, on these hosts. >> well, think about the it. if you have a profession that is dominated by one political ideology, when you have propagandists who are feeding that ideology, they agree with each other, so they have fertile ground for those ideas to take root. not all journalists, just because you'reou a liberal doest mean that you can't be a great journalist. fortunate for all of us, there are principles of great journalism that exist outside the politics. but what all of us have is we're human, and so we have things -- we're all predisposed to believe people we agree with and like more so than we to the people that we think, you know, we don't agree with. and so you have fertile ground for this prop taliban da to take root. then on top of that you have a lot of laziness, a lot of armchair reporters who are just happy to pick pup a phone and, you know -- pick up a phone and to, you know, report whatever a source tells them because it's the white house, it's the fbi or someone where their butts are covered. no one's going to hold them to account because they've got an official source for it. but now what's happened? what's changed? because that was always there, right? what's changed today that you now have a press corps that's working hand in hand with propaganda organizations with a political agenda. and so what ted koppel was saying, people are part of the eeis us dance, that's exactly what i was talking about when i said too many journalists today are political operatives now. they've forgotten how to be journalists. they've forgotten what we're supposed to be as journalists, and they've become political operatives. and they have ae pretermed outcome for all of their -- predetermined outcome for all of their reporting. they want the removal of this president. they don't think he should have been elected, they e don't like anything about him. you know what it's called? resisting the normalization of donald trump. it's a media matters mission statement. it's media matters for america put this out to their donors and their funders and their supporters that they will resist the normalization of donald trump. and that means you're not allowed to look at any policy of this administration and evaluate that policy on its merits. you're not allowed to balance your reporting. you're not -- you know, people say to me, well, this president doesn't help himself with his style, and iay say i'm sure thas true. i mean, he rubs everybody the wrong way at some to point or another. style is not his strength. but my question is how much would his style matter if we spent 50% of the time talking about his style instead of 98% of the time? and what if we had 50% of the time actually looking at the policies of the administration? and seeing what works and what doesn't? would we care so much about his style then? part of the mission statement for this propaganda movement is that donald trump had been known forever as the least popular president in america. so that is going to be, that's a predetermined outcome that they want. and what disappoints me -- and, actually, what really i find extraordinarily concerning, to usece ted koppel's words, i'm vy concerned by is the number of journalists who have taken a political position and who still expect and demand the legitimacy of being objective and independent and being, you know, open and balanced and fair. these are not people who are open-minded. your minds have become closed. and until we recognize that, we're going to continue sowing the seeds of our own death and destruction. and by the way, these propaganda groups don't want an independent robust press. they're only too happy to see us bury ourselves because they're working on controlling the different levers. they don't -- if independent voices was what they wanted, if great journalists were what they wanted, if that was their problem with me was my journalism, then they would be, they wouldn't be doing this. mark: all right. ladies and gentlemen, don't forget during most weeknights you can watch me on levin tv, go to blaze tv.com/mark, blaze tv.com/mark, or give us a call at 844-levin-tv. we'd love to have you. we'll be right back. ♪ hmm. exactly. liberty mutual customizes your car insurance, so you only pay for what you need. nice. but, uh... what's up with your... partner? 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>> well, i've been a journalist for 30 years, and i've been in many press conferences with many different presidents in all different places. i've been at the white house and i've been, you know, in baghdad ryen you've had visiting secretaries of defense and all the the rest of it. and i've never seen the press corps behave the way they do today. so it stands out to me because it's a departure from what i've seen throughout the last three decades. and i will say that curious about that the, i went on the cnn web site as i frequently do when i'm looking across the landscape at all different media organizations, and i constantly see headlines about cnn anchor takes apart trump adviser, cnn anchor destroys trump this or that. and what i'm surprised by is how much of the news on their web site is about their anchors and their reporters and their analysts attacking and destroying anything that the white house says and does. that, to me, is symbolic of the problem. but there is something, actually, much more significant about what you're seeing happen with the white house press corps. donald trump has shown everybody just with his twitter account that he's changing the way the president communicates in the united states of americ today, which is completely consistent with what everybody is doing, right? in the digital age with all this technology, we're all changing how we communicate. media organizes are doing it, political leaders are doing it, the ayatollah of iran has a twitter feed, okay? so why is donald trump not allowed to do that? why is he not allowed to change how the white house operates in terms of its communications? and the rules of the white house press corps and how these things happen? he's not allowed to be seen as an instrument of change. that's a propaganda talking point of the progressive political movement. he's not allowed to be normalized as a president, so whatever changes he makes has to be resisted by the resistance. and then on top of that if you look at one of the things that media matters for america, a propaganda group, gloats about in all their publicity is that they prevented breitbart from getting a white house press yes ,en, right? -- credential, right? they used the rules. why? so if you change the rules, then people like media matters, these propaganda organizations to of the left, they won't be able to the use those rules to their advantage. they don't want you to change the rules. number two the, if they can't use the rules, then they can't stop people like breitbart getting access and being part of the conversation in america. and that's what they don't want. they don't want alternative points of view, they most especiallies don't v want conservative points of view, they don't want to empower breitbart or drudge or anybody else. and more importantly than that, they don't want anyone to have the ability to communicate their message directly. they want it to be filter ld through this network of propaganda organizations that are dominated by one political ideology and deliver their message. so, you know, all this stuff about jim acosta is masking something much more sinister and really threatening to me as a journalist. because what it effectively means is that we don't want a democracy, we don't want freedom of thought and freedom of discussion. mark: is journalism dead? >> no. it'll never die. mark: are there great journalists still out there? >>al yes. mark: they're just outnumbered? >> yes. they're outnumbered and they're bullied and they're silenced. and some of them, you know, are fighting their fight, they're just doing it in a more subtle way than i'm doing it, you know, the way that i was trying to do it, by the way, that i've been trying to do it for years. you've got amazing journalists, one of the best reporters on the afghan/pakistan conflict. really don't like a lot of what "the new york times" does. they have some of the worst journalists ever. i don't say this because i'm trying to sell elevate one institution, it just happens to be some of the greatest journalists, max mcclellan, jeff newton -- mark: how about -- [inaudible] he's been out there. he runs cnn. he just got a first amendment award for a real -- he's out there saying we believe in telling the truth. isn't cnn the example of the opposite? i mean, can you tell the difference between the journalists and the opinion givers over at cnn? honestly, i cannot. >> well, that's a very interesting question because i was wondering myself in the morning is don lemon an opinion person? like, i know sean hannity is, right? the he makes no secret of it. so does tucker carlson, so does laura ing frame, but what about don lemon? rachel maddow, i know where she sits, right? what about people like don lemon? tcan't tell. t but what i can tell is there's not a lot of -- there's a lot of opinion in his show. that's 100%. in fact, it's almost all opinion from beginning to end -- >> you have brian stelter on the weekend who appears to be the anti-fox guy. >> i use him as a road map for the political propaganda strategy of the progressive movement because he lays it all out there in his newsletter that he does every day and in the what he says. you can look at media matters for america's talking point, and you can be absolutely certain that brian stelter will follow the line to the letter on every one of those talking point, and he'll be pushing them. and the people who are all in that network, michael calderon and all of these others, joe hagen who went from new york magazine to somewhere else now but still -- these are like, you know, they fly the flag for this particular political ideology. and they all work together and they elevate each other, and they tweet each other's work, forward.push it and you see it, once you start ha see these patterns -- and you know what's good, mark? 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what's been the reaction? >> well,an first, you know, i hd to work out what everyone was calling and e-mailing about because it was such a shock. i had no idea that there would be such a reaction, that it would catch fire like that. it was trending on twitter for two days, apparently, and that's, that's a big deal. so, you know, in my world i've wlearned very, very well to tue out anything that's negative. i just don't pay attention to the detractors because i know they come. from a really bad place. and when i, you know, i was raised to the live my life to be true to who i am and to stand up for what is right, m and that's all i'm doing. and actually, you know what's really great? is all the journalists who have reached out to me directly or through other people. that's how bad it is, mark, that journalists are afraid to send you a note, some journalists, on their work accounts because supporting what you're saying because it's that threatening to their careers. so you know what i say as a journalist today in america, we're not free. we can't, for example, do a story interviewing scientists about who dispute the science on climate change, right? because if you do that story, if you really are just interested in the science and you want to understand this better and you're trying to figure out what's true and what's not true and, you know, you're trying to understand it for yourself, that's now a political -- that's a no-no. that's the end of your career. you talk to scientist, and they'll tell you the same thing. you can't get a research grant if you want to look at, if you're going to question any of that science. so that means that we're not free. we don't have the freedom to do whatever story we want to do and investigate what we want to investigate. we live in anv society where people are telling us it's okay to have that conversation. that conversation is not allowed. you cannot have that conversation. and the way they've done it is to claim the moral high ground on everything. we have the morally superior position. we have the moral authority to talk about this. so if you deviate from our position at all, you have no moral authority, you're a terrible person. and that, to me, is what -- there are lots of journalists who know in their hearts that that's not right and who want to stand up against that and who just want to do honest, independent journalism. and the great thing about this is that now with ted koppel coming out and saying what he said that i'm hopeful that more journalists will stand up. because really, you know, the best journalists at heart, we're anarchists, right? we're just a bunch of nosy people, and we resist all forms of control. that's who i am. just ask my husband. mark: how's the public responded to you? >> great. in fact, it's really interesting because long before i did that podcast i've been talking about this, and i honestly traveled the length and breadth of this country doing speaking events, andh i just spoke to 2500 people in tulsa, oklahoma, and they leapt to their feet when i was done. and, honestly, i got the same reaction in california, in rgegon, in pittsburgh, and e believe that this is -- i believe that b this is a nonpartisan issue. this is not a left/right issue. it's misused by propaganda, and it's dominated by one political ideology which makes it political, but it has another dimension to it that is just as significant and, in fact, even more powerful. and that is that it speaks to what's inside every single one of us who believe in freedom. and that's what it's really about. mark: do you think we have more or less freedom of the presses? now, what i mean by that is, of course, the press is free. really nobody's telling the press what to do. we don't have sedition acts enforced like we did in the past. you don't have descrowrnlists going to prison -- >> you have economic terrorism. we're going to take your advertisers away if you say things -- you have social media terrorism where we're going to destroy your whole career and life and make d you up employing bl. mark: but not from the government. not from this administration. the prior administration went after a new york times reporter9 for seven years held prison over his head. the prior administration, the obama administration, went after a fox reporter. theio prior administration, the obama administration, went after the associated press, 20 different reporters were surveilled at one point or another. >> yes.ss mark: other administrations have. not the trump administration. >> well, the political propaganda organization that targeted me, they -- look at the white house visitor logs under the obama administration. david brock from media matters was going to the white house twice a week. so this propaganda organization that was inside the white house was, is also inside the media and silencing people. so, you know, i don't want to -- i'm not political, so i'm -- i would agree with you, yes, there's no question just look at the numbers. what the last administration did and the number of journalists that were prosecuted was extraordinary. and not just prosecuted, but they were very -- this were illegal tactics that were used. what they did to the associated press' telephones without following the law, that wasn't right. what they did to cheryl atkinson, follow her lawsuit because that's very significant. and she's one of the bravest women that i've ever known. peoplest say don't mention cher, you'll behe cast as some kind of right-wing person. she's honest, she's an amazing journalist, and she's unbelievably courageous. she's just, she carves her own path and she's standing up for her rights in a court of law which is no small thing. mark: i agree with you. we'll be right back. ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪. guys do whatever it takes to deal with shave irritation. so, we re-imagined the razor with the new gillette skinguard. it has a unique guard between the blades. that's designed to reduce irritation during the shave. because we believe all men deserve a razor just for them. the best a man can get. gillette. always a catch. like somehow you wind up getting less. but now that i book at hilton.com, and i get all these great perks. i got to select my room from the floor plan... very nice... i know, i'm good at picking stuff. free wi-fi... laptop by the pool is a bold choice... and the price match guarantee. how do you know all of this? 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>> well, it's easy to take comments that he's made and say that this is an attack on the press, right? because he's more brutal. in fact, ironically, more brutally honest about it. i've never encountered a white house that didn't take questions from a journalist they didn't want to take questions from the, that didn't control how they communicated with the media. in my experience as a journalist whether it's the state department, the white house or the pentagon, they're always in control of how they communicate. so i've never seen this as a threat. i've never felt threatened by any of it as a journalist. i don't buy -- i know what it is to be threatened as a journalist. i know what it is the when you're on a battlefield or when you're ine a very difficult situation with a hostage threat, and you're just trying to survive. i know what it is to be targeted. in egypt when they declared journalists the enemy of the state, i was gang raped, sodomized and almost murdered. i know what it is to be targeted. i will stand by every single ururnalist who is put at risk, but i do not find donald trump railing against the president as a threat to press freedom or a threat to my personal safety. i just, i don't believe that those dots actually connect. that, the me, is propaganda. and i say to any journalist it takes moral courage to do this job properly, to stand against the tide and not just go with thest flow. maybe the flow is where you honestly believe the story to be,lo and that's fine. if that's your honest, independent f assessment, that's one thing. but, you know, i'd have to say that i agree with you. for me as a journalist i don't find this threatening. mark: you reported from afghanistan also. >> i did. i've spent many years in afghanistan a. mark: many years in afghanistan. you've been in some very, very hard countries. >> five years living in bag tad at the height of the violence -- baghdad. mark: and where women are not necessarily treated well or respected. what's that like? >> in the few days since the united front made their triumphing pant entry to the city, life has changed traumatically. the sound that you're hearing a .50 caliber machine gun -- when i came into kabul for the first time with the afghan forces in 2001, there wasn't a single light. well, you know, strangely enough there's a double standard in many of those societies in terms of foreign women. as a foreign woman, i was able to do things that no local woman would have been able to do. in afghanistan, for example, when i was first there, the taliban controlled 95% of that country. so women stayed indoors. they were prettiers, domestic prisoners. many women in afghanistan are still domestic prisoners. but i was going all over the country. half the time these men, afghan soldiers i lived with on the frontrs line were like, where dd she come from, you know? and very often i didn't wear a head scarf either. i always was respectful, i wore it in certain circumstances, but i wasn't going to wear it to be a rye b car. i'm not going to go pretending go everybody that i'm sort of some kind of modest islamic woman. i'm not. i'm a free woman from a free country in a free press, and i'm here a to do my job, and that's how i approach it. you know what i found? a lot of respect for that. i found that the people that i hedealt with respected that they knew who i was, and they knew why i was there, and they knew that i approached every story acth an open mind and an open heart. and i didn't bring a whole bunch of preconceptions and they respected that. in fact, what i found is that it's in many ways i've been much more disrespected here in this environment as a woman than i ever was over there. mark: very, very interesting. by whom? by some organizations? by the media organizations? >> for example, i've been called by other media writers as, i've been called reckless. and they'll say, oh, they go to the people that don't like you in your work. let's face it, right? this is -- for every person that loves how you've succeeded in what p you've done, there's someone who doesn't. ne they go and find those people, and they to a story about it, you know? and they say i'm not ambitious, i'm reckless, right? how am i reckless? who did i ever get killed? what did i ever do in my career that can be called reckless? i did things that were as much as humanly possible for a journalist to do. i did things that oh journalists did. i did things as a team working hand in hand with other people. and i tried to be smart about it. and the record of my work speaks for itself in a that regard. but, so why am i being, having to defend against this idea that i'm reckless? would i anying man, would any wr correspondent who was a man be called reckless like that? no. after egypt i had to prove that i had erased everything, that i was the same person i was before i was gang raped, you know? because that was the only sign that i could possibly be saying. no, i've had -- i was told that no little girl with hair like rsurs would ever be taken seriously as a war correspondent. i was told by the cnn bureau chief in london to cut my hair if i wanted a job there. you know, i dealt with a lot of things. at one point when i was at reuters international television, i had to channel all of the directions for breaking news stories through the boss, the bureau chief, because the crews tonight want to be told by a young girl where they had to go. and what they had to do. mark: remarkable. we'll be right back. ♪ ♪ after walking six miles at an amusement park... bill's back needed a vacation from his vacation. so he stepped on the dr. scholl's kiosk. it recommends our best custom fit orthotic to relieve foot, knee, or lower back pain. so you can move more. dr. scholl's. born to move. before discovering nexium 24hr to treat her frequent heartburn, marie could only imagine enjoying freshly squeezed orange juice. now no fruit is forbidden. nexium 24hr stops acid before it starts for all-day, all-night protection. can you imagine 24 hours without heartburn? ♪ ♪ mark: let me ask you this, with all the media attention on a lot of mickey mouse stuff, trying to take down the president of the united states and so forth, this is a lot going on in the world -- there's a lot going on in this country even though we have 24/7 news that's not being covered. >> as a journalist, that's part of my frustration. because right now in afghanistan, for example, that's a war that i've covered from the very, very beginning. my job as a journalist is to say, hey, wait a minute, there's something incredibly significant going on here, and we are still in this war. you've got people jumping out about whether or not we should be there, and no one's even asked thehe question what are we doing? mark mark i agree with you. >> what is our objective? the what is our position on this side? i can tell you because i know some of these people and i've talked to them and i'm still talking to them as a reporter and a georgeist, they don't know what they're doing there. when the kurds are asking them about the turks and about our position on an independent kurdistan and all these other issues -- the kurds, by the way, who are fighting and dying -- mark mark oh, they're great people. >> when they ask that people, our people, the people wearing american flags on the uniforms, they don't know what to answer. when the turks look at them and say why are you helping the kurds, what's your position on them? do they have an answer? they don't have an answer. you go across northern iraq where the kurds have fought, and the pkk's name is written all over the walls. mark: the pkk -- >> yes, and the turks view them as their al-qaeda, their terrorists that they're dealing with. so we haven't dealt with any of these incredibly significant strategic and geopolitical issues. this is the most important question as a journalist i can ask about afghanistan, is the job done? mack: is it? >> is al-qaeda defeated? mark: can it be? >> what war in history -- mark: wars are winnable, but wars never end. we won world war ii, the wars never end. there's always an enemy. there's always evil. that's why you have a standing military. that's why you have bases overseas. that's why you have nuclear weapons. that's why we have a navy, an air force. when a war's over, you don't just -- >> of course. but look at y the political dialogue in -- mark: i don't disagree with you. >> the war in iraq is unwinnable, the war in syria is up winnable. we're surrounded by a plethora of unwinnable wars. that is not how it works in the real life. so that is automatically what tells me as a journalist i should be asking questions. there isn't a lot of room in the media today to be having these conversations and covering some very significant stories, and that's frustrating for people. mark: don'tha forget, folks, to join us on levin tv, levin tv, almost every weeknight. sign up at 844-levin-tv. 844-levin-tv. or check us out at blazetv.com/mark. we'll be right back. ♪ ♪ al customized my car insurance so i only pay for what i need. oh no, no, no, no, no, no, no... only pay for what you need. liberty. liberty. liberty. liberty. ♪ you're having one more bite no! one more bite! ♪ kraft. for the win win. ifor another 150 years. the fire going ♪ to inspire confidence through style. ♪ i'm working to make connections of a different kind. ♪ i'm working for beauty that begins with nature. ♪ to treat every car like i treat mine. ♪ at adp we're designing a better way to work, so you can achieve what you're working for. ♪ might mean a trip back to the doctor's office just for a shot. but why go back there when you can stay home with neulasta onpro? 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>> there priya. the substance of they. story. a deputy looked at us on 60 minutes and they said on the hills, it was much more powerful and her cameras when he said he asked the defense of cachet, in just a few minutes into that attack if the cavalry was locoming. the defense look to him and remember this is the man was the last person after person to speak to chris stevens, when he was under a terrorist attack in his compound, he called greg hicks and hem said well, i am sorry greg, the cavalry did not cocome. and greg hicks said, i felt sick in the pit of my stomach. because those of us who go out on the end of the line for our country, we believe our country has our back. in that minute, in that moment, i knew they didn't. i look to him and i said, we better tell the boys. in two of the boys died that night. that was an al qaeda terrorist attack it was extremely well planned for the anniversary of 9/11. in those things, the substance of our reporting is what the obama administration and the progressive political movement in hillary clinton's propaganda force, that is what they wanted buried. because it did not suit them politically to have the truth out. so they pick the least importano person in the story and they took two things he said and he was called into question. then they made the story disappear. it was erased. all the propaganda you read about, you don't have the ability to tell whether it is even true or not because you cannot watch the story andnd mae up your own mind. there is a lot of other significant reporting. think of all the people try to tear the piece to struts and they were only able to cast out over two things, one guy of three characters had to say. what i learned, the lesson i learned, they will not come after you for the things that matter, they will come after you for the things that do not matter. and they will use that to. the whole thing. >> you been a great guest. thank you very much. ladies and gentlemen, that is our show. see you next timeli on life, liberty and movement. ♪ >> welcome to "watters' world", i am jesse watters', broader entered fireworks fly on capitol hill between conservative commentator between candace owens and ted lowell at a hearing on hate speech. the exchange becoming the most viewed cspan twitter video for house hearing ever. nearly 6.8 million views watch the whole thing. >> i don't know ms. owens, i will not characterize her, i will let her own words do the talking. i will play for you the first 30 seconds of the statement she made about eight of h