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we'll tell you about it, all "happening now." ♪ ♪ jenna: tv news anchors, is that what this case has come to? rick: i guess so. jenna: you're okay, you haven't gotten any strange e-mails, have you? i'm not sure about jon. in the meantime, air force one is gearing up for another journey today as the president gears up for another big speech on the economy. welcome to "happening now," i'm jenna lee. rick: and i'm rick folbaum in for jon, and the president taking another road trip, getting away from d.c. where he says politics are partly to blame for the lousy economy. today he is headed to florida after speeches yesterday in illinois and missouri. the president calling the scandals plaguing his administration phony distractions and claiming that republicans are standing in the way of growing the economy and helping the middle class. take a look at the latest fox news polling numbers. 57%, a majority, say they do not see signs the economy has started to turn the corner while 38% say the worst is over, and those views are little changed from about a year ago, as you can see. karl rove served as senior adviser to president george w. bush, he's a fox news contributor. always good to talk to you. first of all, the president's words about phony scandals and distractions, what to do you make of that? -- what do you make of that? >> well, he said washington was getting it wrong because they were involved in political posturing. he said this about a third of the way through a 66-minute-long speech devoted largely to political posturing. let's be clear what this is all about. under -- this is about the budget. under current law the discretionary or budget of the united states is supposed to be for the coming year $967 billion. this is as a result of the budget agreement the president drew up in july of 2011 and subsequently signed into law. the senate democrats and president obama want to spend $1,058,000,000,000 more than current law calls for. and the president suggested yesterday and again today that the failure to spend that $91 billion, all of which is borrowed money, is going to somehow turn the economy around? i don't think so, and neither do the american people. this is really all aboutone number, 2014, and the president trying to posture for the midterms because the economy is not in great shakes, and he is running out of the ability to blame it on anybody else. rick: well, you know, you understand the president being a bit frustrated, and i'm sure he has seen his approval numbers. fox news has a brand new poll out on the president's approval rating, and it's not great. as we put it up on the screen, there it is. just 46% as opposed to 47% of people who disapprove. but i was interested in seeing, carl, that these numbers are almost identical to the numbers of your old boss, former president george w. bush, at this same exact point in president bush's second term. and we can show the audience those numbers as well. very, very similar numbers for two different presidents at this point in term number two. what is it about a second term, karl? >> well, let's put it in a little bit of context. remember, bush came to office in a 2000 with a slightly more contentious arrival than president obama did. remember florida? so president bush had to fight that his entire first term. and at this point in the second term, we were in the middle of a very unpopular war in iraq that was going badly. today the war has receded from people's vision, and the economy has supposedly been in recovery since june of 2009, and yet as you see president obama's numbers are worse than president bush's numbers were at this point. i think, look, the american people are looking at president obama and making a judgment that the recovery he promised, all this spending, we're going to spend our way to prosperity, has been anemic at best. we have the weakest recovery in the recorded economic history of the country. for the first time in an economic recovery, the median household income has declined, and at the current rate of job creation, it'll take us until july of next year to get back to the same point we were in december of 2007 when the recession began. in the meantime, in the seven years between those two points, we'll have between 8 and 12 million americans enter the work force without a job. and the president doesn't have a solution to it except spend more money which has resulted in the anemic recovery. rick: how much blame should fall on congressional republicans whose numbers, we should note, are not so hot as we look at the latest poll on congress? >> yeah. and, look, that's what's driving the president's speech. he's saying, look, i'm the guy in charge, i don't have a good idea about what to do, so let me blame those congressional republicans. what have the congressional republicans failed to do that the president has asked for that the american people really think will bring about economic growth? do we think that spending more money that we don't have and borrowing more from foreign be investors and running up the deficit is going to create more economic growth? i don't think so. there is a problem that we -- we have a big problem in this country. not only just in the lackluster economic growth, the poor jobs numbers, but look inside the job numbers. we've created roughly 23,000 full-time jobs thus far this year each month. we've created 93,000 part-time jobs, probably attributable in large measure to the affordable care act and the way it discourages companies from hiring workers. rick: a little lightning round, some quick questions, yes or no, if you could just answer them yes or no. anthony weiner, should he drone out of the mayor's race in new york city? >> yes. rick: christine o'donnell, should she consider another run for the be u.s. senate? >> she says she's not. rick: should she? my question for you, should she consider it? >> i think she's got a well formed opinion, and she ought to keep it. rick: can rand paul unite the republican party? >> i'm not clear yet. he's an interesting candidate. let's see what the next three years bring him. rick: and the immigration reform bill, has it hurt marco rubio? >> no. rick: and are you eating chicken salad for lunch today? >> i'm having a ham sandwich today. i've already thought about that. rick: i like it. >> how about you? what are you having for lunch? rick: i'm going to have a chicken salad sandwich, that's why it was on my mind. [laughter] always good to talk to you, karl, thanks so much. >> thanks for having me. jenna: the growing revolt against government spying and prying is gaining momentum today. a last minute push protected the nsa program of domestic surveillance, the house narrowly rejecting a bill to restrict the collection of americans' private communication records which means it will continue for the time being. our chief congressional correspondent, mike emanuel, is live on capitol hill. he does not get any breaks for lunch s so we can't ask him what he's going to eat, but what are those behind restricting the nsa, those who want to restrict it, that don't want the status quo, what are they saying now? >> jenna, they seem energized. they seem to recognize both the democrat and republican house leadership, trying to do everything possible to stop this amendment, and it nearly passed. here are a couple of key players who are interested in restricting the nsa. >> ask the american people if they think the house did the right thing. i think you'll hear something very different in the district. i hear very different things in my district, and it's important that we keep fighting to protect our civil liberties, keep fighting to protect the constitution. that's what the american people are asking for. >> there'll be more scrutiny, there'll be more examination of how this can happen to anybody. >> reporter: interesting that conyers and amash are both for michigan, but that's usually where the similarities end. on this issue they are united, and conyers says this is not the end, this is just the beginning of the fight, jenna. jenna: and those who support the nsa, that want the status quo, what are they saying? >> reporter: well, people like mike rogers, the chairman of the house intelligence committee, tried to remind his colleagues of what the september 11th attacks were like and questioned openly whether their memories of that day have faded. rogers says by passing this amendment, it would take the intelligence committee back to september 10th, the tools they had before the 9/11 attacks. meanwhile, a congressman who wore the army uniform in combat tours of iraq, in afghanistan made this passionate apal. >> this program has stopped dozens of terrorist attacks. that means it's saved untold american lives. be this amendment is not simple, it does not limit the program, it does not modify it, it does not constrain the program, it ends the program. it blows it up. folks, we are at war. you may not like that truth, i wish it weren't the truth, but we're at war. do not that take this tool away -- >> gentleman's time as expired. >> reporter: this time the pro-national security side won over the civil liberties types, but you can expect this fight will continue in the month ahead. jenna: mike emanuel, thank you. rick: we are learning more about president obama's decision to delay the delivery of four f-16 fighter jets to egypt in a sign of u.s. pressure for the egyptian military to move quickly to restore civilian rule after the ouster of its, the country's first democratically-elected president, mohamed morsi. jennifer griffin live at the pentagon with more on this, and it's a big story, jennifer. why is the pentagon doing this now? >> reporter: fox news first reported that the f-16s were being held up on fuse. the pentagon and white house announced the decision had been made yesterday due to the ongoing political situation in egypt, that's what they said. though the administration will not call the removal of president morsi a coup which could block all aid to the egyptian military. the white house announcement came on the same day congress was debating the defense authorization bill and an amendment that would block all u.s. aid to egypt. >> we are reviewing our obligations under the law and are consulting with congress about the way forward. given the current situation in egypt, we do not believe it is appropriate to move forward with the delivery of f-16s at this time. >> reporter: u.s. official sources tell fox that the egyptian military's not all that worried about not receiving those f-16s at this point in time. they believe that eventually something will be worked out and that those f-16s will be delivered. rick: okay. so what about reaction from the egyptian military? >> reporter: well, the egyptian army is calling for nationwide protests in egypt tomorrow to counter the demonstrations staged by the muslim brotherhood of late which is pushing for the release of president morsi whose family claims that he was kidnapped by the army. there's no word where president morsi is at this time. egyptian opposition groups have criticized the administration's wishy washy approach to the situation. >> i feel that the obama administration had a golden opportunity to be the hero or a hero at least in this entire process, but unfortunately, the performance is viewed by the average egyptian as subpar. >> reporter: large demonstrations are planned for egypt tomorrow. they will be sponsored by the egyptian military. rick? rick: jennifer griffin live at the pentagon, thanks so much. jenna: also "happening now," a search for a fugitive getting more intense today. the murder suspect was caught on surveillance footage last week, but he hasn't been seen since. what investigators are doing now. plus, dramatic video showing the moment of impact during that deadly train crash in spain. the latest on the investigation and what this video tells us, ahead. rick: some new information on crime stories we're keeping an eye on for you. helicopters launched a police search for a suspect, michael cope, the fugitive is wanted in the u.k. many connection with the killing of a 25-year-old mother of two. that crime happened last month. cope was last seen on surveillance video july 14th, but police have not been able to track him down. in florida surveillance video capturing the moment a cell phone store owner has to stare down the barrel of a gun. the suspect chasing him around the store, eventually locking him in a bathroom and then getting away with cell phones and cash. and former football star o.j. simpson asking a nevada parole board to reduce his 33-year prison sentence. he is currently serving time for his role in the robbery of two sports memorabilia dealers back in 2008. jenna: right now authorities are trying to figure out what caused one of the worst train accidents in europe in decades. it happened in spain. a security camera capturing the moment of impact, and at least 78 people were killed and more than 140 injured when that train hit that wall while navigating a curve, obviously, way too fast. this happening on the eve of a major christian religious festival in that part of the country. that festival is now canceled for obvious reasons. amy kellogg is live in london with more. >> reporter: jenna, the reuters news agency is now quoting an unnamed spanish official as saying that the cause of this deadly accident was, in fact, excessive speed. now, the nation of spain has declared three days of official mourning, jenna, and that's seven days of mourning, the region of spain where this accident occurred. now initial reports were that the train may have been going at twice the speed limit at the tight bend it was negotiating when it derailed, and the driver is going to be questioned formally by investigators. the u.s. state department is now saying that five american citizens were among the injured. the train jumped the tracks last night. eight cars separated from the engine car, some of them piled up one on top of the other. the casualty numbers are still fluctuating. we're hearing now that 80 were killed and as many as 178 injured, 247 were onboard and at last count we had 95 are the still in hospitals. dozens among them in a critical condition. area hospitals were overwhelmed with people last night who were offering to give blood. many of cars burned through the night and are covered today in a layer of ash as investigators try to work their way through that rubble. now it is a recovery mission. the railway line had only been inaugurated in 2011, and spain, by the way, has led the world in high-speed train manufacture and has been widely praised for its high-speed train networks. canadian train and plane maker said the train was built by its consortium with a spanish intercity train maker. the prime minister visited the crash scene this morning. he himself hails from santiago, the capital where the accident happened. santiago is a very popular pilgrimage site where the apostle james' remains are said to be buried. and jenna, you know, it is quite obvious that lots of people get nervous when they fly, when they travel by air, but most people tend to be relaxed about train travel, and it's just sort of by sheer coincidence that july has been an incredibly deadly month for train travel with the fatal crash in canada, one in france and now this one in spain. jenna? jenna: we're going to be talking to a railway expert coming up next hour out of europe to talk us through a little bit about these systems and what to make of all of this, amy, as you point out, a lot of incidents in recent weeks. thank you so much. rick: coming up, an incredible rescue after a fisherman goes overboard without a life jacket, treading in shark-infested waters for, get this, eight hours. the new video of this amazing rescue and this man's story of survival. plus, the president trying to shift attention away from a series of controversies plaguing his administration by blaming republicans for focusing on, quote, phony scandals. but what do the american people think? >> an endless parade of distractions and political posturing and phony scandals can't get in the way of what we need to do. when we made our commitment to the gulf, bp had two big goals: help the gulf recover and learn from what happened so we could be a better, safer energy company. i can tell you - safety is at the heart of everything we do. we've added cutting-edge technology, like a new deepwater well cap and a state-of-the-art monitoring center, whe experts watch over all drilling activity twenty-four-seven. and we're sharing what we've learned, so we can all produce energy more safely. our commitment has never been stronger. rick: okay, right now the incredible new video just this to fox news of the u.s. coast guard rescuing a fisherman who had been missing for eight hours in shark-infested waters. >> reporter: i love it when a story has a good ending. there's some key things you have to know about the predicament that 45-year-old john aldridge found himself in. he fell overboard 43 miles off the long island, new york, shore. the coast guard went in with boats, two large rescue helicopters and other aircraft, and they depended on good samaritans to help them out. they had to cover some 660 square miles. okay, more to know. the waters off that part of new york near montauk are choppy and chilly even in the summer. when you're in it for 8-12 hours without a life jacket. this guy's legs were growing tired, everything weakening, and, oh, yeah, the sharks circling him, he says, at one point. but john aldridge put his rubber boots that he had underneath his arms, and that helped make a makeshift floatation device. he works on a commercial vessel, that likely helped him know what to do. and after all those hours, they plucked him from the waters. look at this, he's on a stretcher very badly sunburned. today his family celebrating, as you might imagine. the fisherman was hospitalized with dehydration, hypothermia, but he has gone home. look at them them celebrating on the porch. rick: i'd be celebrating, too, after swimming with sharks for -- >> no sharknado. [laughter] rick: good to know. nice to see the ending turn out that way. harris, thanks so much. >> reporter: sure. jenna: well, no sharknado yet, maybe, we should just add in there. well, the president is trying to dismiss a series of controversies dogging his administration by taking aim at republicans yesterday for focusing on what he's calling phony scandals. >> an endless parade of distractions and political posturing and phony scandals can't get in the way of what we need to do. [applause] and i'm here to say it's got to stop. we've got to focus on jobs and the economy and helping middle class families get ahead. and if we do that, we're going to solve a whole hot of problems. [cheers and applause] -- a whole lot of problems. [cheers and applause] and as we're thinking about these issues, we can't get involved in short-term thinking. we can't have all the same old debates. jenna: angela mcglowan is a fox news political analyst and a lot of tokes taking issue with this -- a lot of folks taking issue with this new line, phony scandals. so folks are criticizing it, but what is the appropriate gop response to that? >> the appropriate gop response is to go to the president and say, hey, we don't need another dale cash any, we don't need another the great art of making speeches. what we need is a great leader. we need a great leader like lbj, a dealmaker. what obama is doing, he's wanting congress to take the laws to him, the proposals to him, the deals to him. the gop, they need to ask the president what are you bringing to us? what do you want to do? right now, jenna, we need great leadership, not great politicians. jenna: so who are the great leaders from the gop that can make a change? >> the great leaders are supposed to be there to make a great change, of course, is boehner, cantor and mitch mcconnell. but now we've had senator mike lee, senator john thune, also marco rubio saying, in essence, with this budget deal that if we defund obamacare, then we'll give you a budget deal, and we won't shut down the government. that's not the answer. right now we have john mccain who's actually holding out going to the president, speaking with the president to cut a deal, but people in my own party are saying, jenna, that he should switch parties and become a democrat. jenna: what do you think about that? >> look, i've lived in this town for a very long time, and you can have politicians when it's time for re-election. but right now we need compromise. we need to make a deal. because detroit is just the tip of the iceberg. we have several cities in america that's on the brink of bankruptcy. we have several counties that are going to file bankruptcy. we need true legislation that will create a more prosperous union. jenna: so that's what the president's aides are telling folks like in politico today, for example, that the president is clarifying his agenda, talking about priorities. we've seen this play out before. the president will get out, make a couple comments, blame congress. congress, in the meantime, will sit back and say, well, that's not true. but then the question that emerges really from all sides, from all aisles and all corners of the country is where are the big ideas? where are the big, new ideas from either side? and so from your perspective, angela, working with lawmakers -- >> yes. jenna: -- who really has new, big ideas? especially when it comes from the gop? pause today run the house. so what -- because they run the house. what do they have? >> we have several members of congress who have put forth legislation, but it takes the white house, it takes the senate, it takes the house to work together. again, we don't need politicians, we need great statesmen and women that will actually create a better america. but right now we have politicians. so we might not see any change until 2014 when the american people and congress and the president work for the american people, so when the american people go to the ballot box, we need to clean house. jenna: what about following the president's template? it's worked for him, it got him reelected. what about some gop members going out and making big speeches at big public events? granted, it's not what you're saying we need, but what about meeting the president and beating him, if you will, at his own game? >> right now, jenna, we're playing a political game where we need policy. we need leaders to do their job to pass legislation or, look, the unemployment numbers are going down. consumer confidence is going up, but yet and still detroit we did an auto bailout, and the town still filed for bankruptcy. so instead of great speeches, again, we don't need a dale carnegie, we need an lbj in the white house. but also we need a tip o'neill as speaker, we need our leaders to actually lead and stop with the politics. right now what you're going to see, and i think until even dealing with the budget crisis, even dealing with should we raise the debt ceiling or not, you're going to have politicians that are going to stand back and put their fingers to the wind to see where the wind is blowing on what stance they should make. jenna: what breaks that cycle is a good conversation for another time. what gets us out of this. angela, thank you so much. great to see you, as always. >> thank you. rick: a fox news alert and live pictures now from newark liberty airport, newark, new jersey, and yet another issue with a commercial jet. this time it's smoke in the cabin of a united airlines plane that is there on the tarmac. there are no passengers onboard this plane, and as you can sees the surrounded by some fire vehicles. i wish i had more information as to whether the lane had just landed or whether it was set to take off. we don't know a whole lot. we'll get more information and pass it along as soon as we have it. also, the feds warning everyone about a mysterious parasite that's now infecting hundreds of people in nine different states, landing some of them in the hospital. the source still not known, we have a live update straight ahead. plus, a fox news exclusive shedding new light on benghazi and the actions of an american hero on the ground during the deadly terror attacks. that's coming up. hey! did you know that honey nut cheerios has oats that can help lower cholesterol? 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i think he is a hero. he is absolutely is a hero. along with the two seals that got it. there was no reason for all these people to die. >> reporter: you ben was desperate to find the ambassador and went back into the burning building several times but could not find chris stevens. on hearing the news sean's father, ray smith, said it was a relief to know more about his son's death. jenna: where the ambassador was, that was if you will in the first wave of the attack. what happened at the c-ia annex? >> reporter: jenna, confidential sources tell fox news during the second wave of the attack uben was on the roof of the cia annex along with former navy seals tyrone woods and glen doherty. the first mortar missed the annex about 50 yards short. subsequent mortar rounds, direct hits, woods and daugherty were killed. those who know uben says he doesn't really remember much after that. >> the second and third came in and i'm not sure which injured david so severely you about, between the, as i understand the second and third mortars is what killed tyrone and glen and took much of david's right leg. >> reporter: with hearings scheduled on benghazi 24 fall, congressional sources hope david uben is well enough and able to publicly testify because he is one of the few survivors to witness both waves of the attack last sent, jenna. jenna: wow. catherine. thank you. >> reporter: you're welcome. rick: more americans standing online for jobless benefits. first time applicants rising by 7,000 last week to a seasonally adjusted 343,000. a lot of folks giving up on trying to earn a paycheck and thinking about starting a small business themselves. our next guest is founder and president of rekix sneakers. eco-friendly sneaker line. gary is joining us. let everybody know that gary is high school friend. we haven't seen each other in years thanks for joining us today. >> thanks for having me, rick. good to be here and sort of see you. rick: i didn't have you pegged as a sneaker mogul back in high school. where did you come up with the idea for this and what makes these shoes so special? >> if you asked me i would be in sneaker world either but what i did getting into the sneaker business, i knew if i had to do it had to be something unique and different against other brands. so what's special about rekixx all parts together, recycle symbol prominently displayed the entire shoe can go into the recycling system after a long wear and use. so it is life cycle continues on into other products and different materials. what i like people to remember is that it is not only shoe about design and fashion but also awareness and sustainability. rick: the shoes look great. you were on the tv show "shark tank." you had a successful kick-starter campaign. what's next? >> i sold 44,000 in my first production run on kick-starter. now i'm live again on rekixx.com. if you go to the website i'm coming out with fall 2014 collection you purchase for preorders the first to help me out in honest and true recyclability. rick: excellent. our stage manager liz is showing off a pair of your sneaks. she looks really good. i like the fashion. i like the fact that they're eco-friendly. how much do these cost, gary? >> it is not cheap to make a recyclable sneaker and able to go out at $65. if you want to be eco-friendly. i like to be a guy that wears my heart on my sleeve. , i say you can wear a green heart on your feet. it is worth 65 bucks. rick: you're a good salesman, gary. check them out at rekixx.com. thank you for not embarrassing me with any high school stories, gary. >> next time. rick: look forward to it. all the best. >> take care. jenna: he invited back anytime if that is part of the promise, right? more details -- rick: we have to go to break. jenna: i think that is a tease. actually a very serious topic we're turning to next. is there a secret war happening in somalia? new questions about the threat of the terror group al-shabaab and whether their threat is getting more stronger and powerful despite what our government is telling us. i want to make things more secure. 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>> we've been in secret conflict in somalia or at least one that is not on the books publicly for some time but in the last year we've had to ramp it up and the reason being the administration was overly hasty to proclaim the success and defeat of the al-shabaab and insurgency for last year. former secretary of state for africa, johnny carson, said it was one of the significant successes for first term. that is unraveling as u.n. recently supported shabaab largely escaped unscathed. it has internal issues but it is one of the largest forces on the ground in somalia. it has internal intelligence network alive and infiltrated the somali government we recognized. jenna: tell us more about the group. we talk about a variety of different terrorist groups. how much of a threat does al-shabaab pose us here in the united states? >> al-shabaab has had leaders who have had links with global terrorism and we've known that for a number about years but last year for the first time formally al-shabaab, formally affiliated itself with al qaeda and was accepted as such. now even before that, it had links with al qaeda in arabian peninsula. in fact in 2011 the u.s. navy intercept ad senior shabaab commander who was going back and forth between yemen and somalia. also there's a large somali diaspora community in north america, canada and parts of the united states. in recent years federal prosecutors have unraveled a number of conspiracies to support the terrorist group and recruit fighters in communities. now the vast majority of somali-americans are opposed to terrorism but there are some bad apples and we found them in the west coast, in the twin cities, in ohio and back across the country. jenna: so you're saying there is network potentially set up already inside the country, inside our country? >> there is a network of support and sympathizers for shabaab. that is what shabaab brought to the table with al qaeda when it linked up with it last year. jenna: let's return to what we're doing in somalia and why folks are calling it a secret war. we're getting reports from the u.n. we're violating a series of arms embargo, supplying parts of the somali government and i'm using that tentatively because it is a corrupt government as woe know it. we also according to these reports are seeing clandestine flights of materials and men to the area of somalia. again a lot of this unconfirmed, peter, but what exactly can we do and what should we be doing in somalia to prevent the spread of that terror on our own soil? >> wealth problem is what we're trying to do is achieve the result that we advertised to have already achieved on the cheap and we're doing that by supplying weapons and arms to various clan-based militias and warlords in the hopes they will fight off al-shabaab for us. we're sending arms to warlords who just a year or two ago were with al-shabaab. we're arming a breakaway government that has been the center of piracy activity for years. and so we're trying to, win these people over with weapons, hope they will do the dirty work of getting rid of al-shabaab but we don't know these people well. we don't know where they will use those weapons. and a year from nowsome of those weapons we may find much to our regret turned back around at us. jenna: well, we look forward to your study and further conversation about this maybe with more attention that with something we can continue to maybe affect some sort of a change in. peter, thank you very much. great to have you on the program again. >> thank you, jenna. rick: when we come back, brand new video into fox. a car flunking into a pond. a elderly man was trapped inside the car. dramatic moments as rescuers try to save his life before the cargoes completely underwater. troubling news in the case after man accused threatening and stalking two nationally-known tv hosts. we now know who he allegedly targeted coming up. ahhh! let's leave the deals to hotels.com. perfect! yep, and no angry bears. up to 40% off. only at hotels.com backflips and cartwheels.mile? 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rick: me? no. i have no idea what you're talking about. >> i guess this guy did. this is one of the journalists he was very interested in. for journalists either viewers like what we have to say or not. different opinions come with the job. for two national tv anchors their handling of a news story turned into death threats. we now know who they are. cable newscasters, nancy grace and jane velez-mitchell were victims after online threats of a new york man who was upset with their coverage of the jody arias trial. the man who sits in a arizona jail sell is 48-year-old david lee some sin. they say his threats were serious. take a listen. >> he would tie the individuals to a tree. slit their throat. sexual comments and they were quite graphic and quite disturbing. >> investigators found guns, handcuffs and other items in simpson's car after he was arrested. simpson was previously indicted in arizona on three counts of computer tampering, two counts of stalking. he is accused of threatening a phoenix woman who defended the anchors. rick: switching gears, julie, if you don't mind, you have a news on a man that reached an incredible milestone. tell us about that. >> yeah. you're not far behind. do you hope to live beyond 100? how about 112? we'll ask the guy who hit the guinness book of world records for oldest person in the world. he is 112 years old. he is from grand island new york. he was born in spain. moved to the u.s. in 1920! they say women outlive men. that is not necessarily true since the previous record holder was held by a man as well. rick, there is hope for you. rick: very good. happy birthday to that gentleman. thank you, julie. >> sure. jenna: she is rough on you. rick: we go way back. jenna: wow! dramatic new video of the very moment a speeding train flew off the tracks killing dozens of people in spain. plus authorities revealing what and who may have caused the deadly crash. we'll join you top of the hour with the latest news. jenna: right now, brand new stories and breaking news. a ruling right before closing arguments in the case of the u.s. soldier accused in the largest leak of classified information in our nation's history. what the military judge just did. also the president getting a new idea of what the public thinks of him and the job he's doing. the full numbers and what they really mean. plus a car explodes into a fireball trapping a woman and her kids inside. you won't believe who saved the day. now this fox news alert, before edward snowden, another leaker captured the world's attention. today his court-martial enters the final phase. we're glad you're with us. i'm jenna lee. rick: i'm rick folbaum in for jon scott. thanks for joining us for the second hour of "happening now." bradley manning accused leaking unh unever thousands of classified documents, believed to be the largest leak of government documents in history. and giving those documents to the group wikileaks. he is charged with aiding the enemy. he could spend his life behind bars the pros cues says he is a traitor look leaking about documents about the war in iraq and afghanistan. his defense seeks to name him as a protester. peter doocy is live in fort meade, maryland. so, peter, what happened in the courtroom so far? >> reporter: the prosecutor delivered the opening statement, major ashton fines was fired up from the beginning. that is according to our producer who is watching what's happening in the courtroom not too far away from here. she passed along a key quote from the prosecutor. quote, the only human, private first class manning ever actually cared about was himself. his callousness was revealed through his own chats. then the prosecutor said about manning, quote, his acts resulted in unfettered access to enemies of the u.s. an outcome all too clear to him because of his training. so after presenting their case for five weeks, prosecutors are trading to really hammer home the point, here at the end that they think manning was fame-hungry and interested in aiding the enemy. manning's lawyers are going to present the other side with their closing arguments next and, in the three days they took to make their case we heard them liken manning's actions to those of a journalist instead of those, instead of those as a criminal. and earlier today he have about the closing arguments started manning's lawyers asked the judge to throw out five counts of theft he is being charged with, the act of literally stealing hundred of thousands of files from the military but the judge said no. and so he is still charged with 21 counts. rick. rick: peter, if manning is found guilty, talk to us about the penalties that he could potentially faces. >> it's harsh. it's life in prison without the possibility of parole. plus, 154 years on top of that. that is what you get if you add up maximum penalties of all 20 one charges against him. although the judge granted manning 112 days of credit against any possible prison sentence. that was back in january when he complained about his jail cell. rick? rick: peter doocy, live at fort meade in maryland for us. keep us posted. peter. jenna: "happening now," the president set to give a speech on the economy for the second straight day as "fox news polls" show american voters are souring on the economy and their leader's ability to do something about it. the fox poll finding that the president's job approval still below 50% but voter have an even lower opinion of congress. just 18% approving of the job lawmakers are doing. wendell goler is live from the white house. wendell everybody is in it together as far as low ratings from the american public. talk about what the president is doing today and where he's going. >> reporter: jenna he is headed to a port in jacksonville, florida, to showcase a container cargo ship terminal with a 200 million-dollar investment from a japanese company. he wants to talk about building this country's roads, bridges and ports as a way to attract businesses and create jobs. part of a renewed focus on the economy he promised to maintain the rest of his time in office. in central missouri he called on congress to renew this country's basic bargain with the middle class. >> tackling college cost, creating more good jobs, establishing a better bargain for middle class families and everybody trying to work to join into it. an economy that grows not from the top down but from the middle out. that's, that is not just what i'm going to focus on for the next few months. that is what i'm going to be focused on for the remainder of my presidency. >> reporter: the president says over the past couple years congress hasn't just ignored the problems of the middle class. it actually made them worse. jenna? jenna: what is the republican response to all of this? >> reporter: house speaker john boehner a few minutes ago all the speeches are sizzle with no steak and the sizzle was reheated many times. he blames the president for new normal, slow growth, high unemployment and stagnant wages. missouri senator roy blunt who did not attend president obama's second speech in his state, questioned whether the president will stay focused on the economy. >> we appear to see a pattern here. a dozen pivots to jobs. immediate focus on something else as soon as that speech is given. we shouldn't be stuck. we don't need to be stuck. we need to embrace more american energy. we need to be looking at regulation that makes sense. we need to do what we can to create opportunities for people that don't have it. >> reporter: senator blunt also said the affordable care act is holding back job creation. he accused the president not wanting to debate about it. jenna. jenna: we'll hear from everyone and we'll see what they actually do about it in the next few weeks and months. wendell, thank you. rick: a new battle is brewing over voting rights. attorney general eric holier laying out plans to force the state of texas to seek approval of any voting changes it makes in the next decade despite the supreme court's decision striking down key pieces of the voting rights act. it is an issue the attorney general addressed at the national urban league's annual conference. >> although mandated by the constitution voting rights are not always guaranteed in practice without robust enforcement and that's why despite the court's decision, i believe we must regard this setback not as a defeat but as a historic opportunity for congress to restore and even to strengthen modern voting protections. rick: eric shawn is at the conference. he joins us live from philadelphia. eric. >> reporter: hey, rick. targeting texas. as you just heard attorney general eric holder eric holding making this announcement t comes one month after the supreme court rejected part of the historic 1965 voting rights act that basically mandated oversight of elections in mostly southern states. holder announced he is doing the opposite. he is seeking expansion to the power of the obama administration. he made his remarks here at the national urban league conference in philadelphia. holder is saying later on this afternoon department of justice lawyers will go to federal court in san antonio to seek approval for feds to oversee elections in texas to make sure texas gets federal approval before they make any changes in their voting laws for the next decade. that is called, so-called, free clearance. after the supreme court ruling last month texas attorney general greg abbott immediately enacted the state's voter i.d. law. holder pointed to another court case that says the texas state legislature does crimed against latino voters in a redistricting plan. >> based on evidence of intentional racial discrimination that was presented just last year in redistricting of case of texas v. holder, as well as a history of pervasive voting related discrimination against racial minorities the supreme court itself has recognized, we believe that the state of texas should be required to go through a preclearance process whenever it changes its voting laws and practices. [applause] >> reporter: and there's, well, and there's harsh reaction to this announcement from republican texas governor rick perry. he says that quote, once again the obama administration is demonstrating utter contempt for our country's system of checks and balances not to mention the u.s. constitution. governor perry calls this an end-run around the supreme court and certainly we can expect that the texas lawyers will becourt d challenge this. they think their voter i.d. system is completely fair. rick, back to you. rick: eric shawn live in philly. eric, thanks so much. jenna: well, california is taking an aggressive and unprecedented approach to help people save for retirement. state lawmakers are passing legislation that's requiring millions of privately-employed workers to contribute to a new retirement program. william la jeunesse is live from los angeles with more on this. william. >> reporter: well, can you live on $14,000 a year, jenna? that is the average annual social security income of a retiree in california and it explains why the state is starting its own retirement plan, forcing employees to start saving now. >> you need to look for the future and it is just too hard at this point to do it by yourself. >> reporter: six million california workers, full and part time, have neither a pension nor a 401(k). most could simply open a retirement account at the local bank but many don't. >> they're not at this thinking about retirement. but thinking about today. i need money to eat today, not to retire with. >> reporter: the california solution? force employers who don't offer traditional retirement plans to with hold 3% of every worker's paycheck. >> mentally it's a lot easier to put the money away before you touch it, before you can even spend it. >> reporter: managed by the state the new pool of money would deliver a meager though guaranteed rate of return. >> what is promised in the bill is not possible to deliver. if you could deliver guaranteed returns with less than 1% costs, no employer liability, no government liability, that's a, that's a fantasy. >> reporter: supporters disagree, arguing any savings is better than none. >> i think we can fix it by making it easier for people to spend less and save more. >> reporter: each employee owns their own account and can opt out the at anytime. critics fear taxpayers ultimately will be on the hook if investments fail to perform. >> it becomes another opportunity for liability, another opportunity for a lawsuit, and yet another burden that we're placing on the employer. >> reporter: employers are going to get fined if they don't anticipate, 250 bucks per employee. jenna, they fear eventually they will be required to match that employee contribution like many big companies do now. back to you. jenna: interesting. william, thank you. rick: an alert now and an update on a story we told you about a little while ago. a small plane, actually united flight, 4890 from, was on its way from new jersey to pittsburgh, taking off from newark international airport when apparently there was report of some smoke in the cabin. the plane had just taken off so it turned around and landed back safely at newark airport. everybody was taken off of the flight as a precaution. no one was injured and no word on the cause of that smoke but a dh-8, which is a turboprop plane, commuter flight operated by united express with some problems today but it appears everything is okay now. new fox news polls showing that americans have a deep dislike for obamacare and they're worried that it is going to cost them more money and a lot of it. a democratic insider on the problem the white house may have here. chilling new video. the exact moment a train jumps the tracks slamming into a wall at very high speed, difficult to watch especially knowing that dozens of people were killed in that crash. we have live pictures from the scene there now. we'll bring you the very latest on the investigation in spain when we come right back. with the spark miles card from capital one, bjorn earns unlimited rewas for his small business take theseags to room 12 please. 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when something new is coming in, folks are hesitant? >> i think it is always lumpy. things have to get fixed. they're too big. the programs are too big and don't quite work and don't get implemented quite the way and the ease that the administration, that either administration said they would. and, medicare part-d was part of that. today medicare part-d, you couldn't touch it. it is one of the most popular programs for seniors. the problem for the politics of this is though, even if, obamacare becomes very popular it will probably happen after the election. so in the meantime, yeah, it's a problem for some democrats in swing districts having to go to have to defend it at its most unpopular point. jenna: looking back at medicare part-d, for example, there was a moment where the plan got bipartisan support and that was very helpful for the public when they saw a united front about this new program that people were hesitant about. if you look at some polls that talk about repealing health care there is still a march majority of folks, hopefully we'll show that poll, that believe that should be done. that being said, joe, if all the things you're saying are true, it is easy for the public to be hesitant for a brand new program, we can totally understand that, then why doesn't the president go out and spend his time in these big speeches and focus solely on health care, doing town halls, for example, answering people's questions, being the face of this landmark legislation that he says is so key to our economy? >> well two reasons. we've got other problems in the economy creating jobs and other things that he has been talking about but secondly i think, the main, the main point here is, it's passed. it is being i am little meanted. i think he is looking at, i think from the president's perspective, it doesn't, the politics of it are going to play out in his legacy later on. right now it's about implementing it and he doesn't need to do much to do that. he has to stop republicans from obstructing it. the republicans voted to repeal it 38 times. but, jenna, the problem here is, now there's a threat to shut down the government to stop obamacare. jenna: right. >> the politics of it, worked more about -- jenna: if you got behind it, let'ses say joe, president takes more leadership on implementation and the public does shift and polls do change and by the fall the different story completely if that is the case. there is no threat after government shutdown if the public thinks, this health care is going to be okay. >> that is certain that what is going on now how people are reacting to actually being part of the program. younger people, who can keep, can stay on their parents plan until they're 26. being able to get health care without a, even if you have a preexisting condition. those things are betting people to support it. obviously if you get a, if your rate increases or you're dumped off the existing health care you're going to be against it. jenna: right. >> that is all going to play out, jenna into 2014. who knows who -- that fight will be a political fight that will have an impact on 2014. jenna: we will look forward to it as all fights we do. jo, i don't mean that. give me one second. i have a fox news alert irv to get to really quick. i want joe to comment on this. it has to do with a democratic lawmaker as well. you heard the story about anthony weiner. i don't need to go into that. we have new polls when what it looks like in the mayor's race for the largest city in america. after the whole scandal broke again about a new sexting situation, christine quinn is leading anthony weiner in the latest polls. he was ahead of her by the way last month. joe, it's a tough thing to weigh in on. what do you think anthony weiner needs, should do? >> well, first of all i should disclose i do work for an independent candidate in the race for mayor but i don't think this is jaded or biased here. i think anthony weiner is, i think people are looking for an alternative to quinn and he, when he got in sort of started to fill that and went into the lead but i don't know that, i just don't see how he recovers from this at this point. we'll see. there's still a long time to go. he is well-funded. so i'm sure he is not going to give up but like a lot of observers here, i really do not see how he continues to fill a vacuum that is there even though there is a vacuum on the democraticside. jenna:s' said it is interesting week so far. we'll see what happens tomorrow, friday, saturday, sunday. anything could happen at this point. joe, thank you for being on the program. >> thank you. good to be with you, jenna hey linda! what are you guys doing? having some fiber! with new phillips' fiber good gummies. they're fruity delicious! just two gummies have 4 grams of fiber! to help support gularity! i want some... 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[ male announcer ] ask your doctor if chantix is right for you. rick: a fox news alert and a hazmat situation in south florida. miami-dade county, that's the airport there, and we are told that there are hazmat crews on the scene, they're working on a situation involving possible depleted uranium, and we don't have a whole lot of details, but miami-dade fire and rescue's public information officer telling our assignment desk here at fox it looks like it's in a parts yard where they dismantle the airplanes. a worker opened a 55-gallon drum that is not full, and so the entire area, about 150 feet radius around that area has been evacuated as crews work to determine exactly what that material is and how dangerous it is. and as we get more information, we'll keep you posted n. but, first, weeks of protests and a high-profile filibuster, but the controversy definitely not over after texas passed some of the most restrictive abortion laws in the country. and now a majority of the state's clinics say that they may be forced to close their doors because of these new requirements saying that they are way too costly to put in place. but pro-life supporters say it's all about patient safety, and the facilities do have the money, according to them. casey steegal is live in dallas with more. >> reporter: yeah, rick, a fair and balanced debate here. first, there are two key components to this bill. the first would ban abortions altogether after 20 weeks of pregnancy. the second part of the bill would require abortion clinics to upgrade their facilities to what are known as ambulatory surgical centers, things like wider hallways to accommodate hospital beds, special lighting, locker rooms with showers would all be mandated by september of next year. well, one provider says contractor estimates show it'll cost more than $1 million to make those necessary changes, money they say they don't have. so they'll likely be forced to close. another clinic in houston telling us many of the current buildings these facilities operate out of like his are not even large enough in size to add everything. so the result would be either to shut its doors for good or shell out millions to start from scratch. >> the clinic the way it is really is not set to be upgraded. if i wanted to, i had the money, i would have to build a surgical center which, apparently, could be -- >> [inaudible] >> yeah, $3 million. >> reporter: so that's not's happening. >> no, that's not going to happen. >> reporter: pro-choice supporters have said all along this would compromise health for women, b pro-life advocates are not buying it. they contend this law was designed not to stop abortions, rather make them safer. they also argue these providers do have the cash flow to make the required changes. >> the vast majority of the abortion facilities in texas that are not ambulatory surgical centers will continue to stay in business. abortion is a huge business. there's lots of money being made by these abortionists doing these procedures, and i don't think they're about to back out of the business. >> reporter: doctors performing the procedure also have to have admitting privileges at a hospital within 30 miles from the clinic where they're being performed. proponents say is once again ine name of safety. rick: casey steegal live in dallas, thank you. jenna: investigators in spain say they're focusing on the driver of the high-speed train that jumped the track yesterday killing dozens and dozens of people. this shocking video just released shows the train derailing as it hits that tight curve with several cars and the engine overturning. it's very difficult to watch. we know at least 78 people were killed in that accident. many others injured. the crash is one of europe's worst rail disasters ever, and it's sparking a few other questions that we had today. chris miller in is the deputy editor of the railway magazine, he joins us from lester, england, with more. your magazine focuses on rail-related technology. what is most notable to you about what we've seen as far as video and what we've learned about this accident over the last 24 hours? >> good afternoon, jenna. i think what we've seen is the video, obviously, of the crash showing that the train is going around that curve at what appears to be an excessive speed. the speed should have been about 50 miles an hour when the indications are it was doing at least twice that speed. jenna: and so you say one of the things, you know, we don't have high-speed rail in our country the same way that it's built in europe. and one of the things that you have some questions about is something called a european train control system. what is that and why does it matter? >> well, it's a european system that replaces conventional signaling. because trains go faster, it's not possible for the driver to visually see all the signals and comprehend them. so he has what's called a -- [inaudible] link system, and this uses a combination of gps positioning data and gsm signals to pass the information to the driver on speed and signal aspects. jenna: so i see. so, basically, the train is moving so fast, it's too difficult to kind of know all the different parts of the track, and so this is a way of warning the train conductor that there is a change in the track or something's up ahead this. >> that's right. the system is designed so as the driver's approaching a section of track where there is a speed restriction, it would flash on the screen with possibly an audible warning, and the driver should take action accordingly. jenna: so you have a question as whether that system was actually working here. >> well, it wasn't fitted to the track because this is sort of an isolated portion of high-speed track, and did it malfunction? jenna: i see. so if that's the case whether or not that has broader ramifications for the technology that's used all over europe, but we don't know at the time whether or not this technology's part of this track -- >> no, we don't. no, no. the technologies used on the eurostar trains has been working very, very successfully. jenna: just a quick final question, chris. one of the things we're just learning is that the engine driver told controllers of the rail network, he's saying i'm going too fast, i'm going to derail. and our viewers might think why couldn't he just, you know, hilt the brakes? >> when your train is doing that sort of speed, you can't brake instantly. it takes a mile, mile and a half to actually slow a train down from that speed to a controlled speed on that curve. and it would appear, very sadly, that this train was going far too fast, and the devastating consequences that we've seen. jenna: devastating, indeed. chris, thank you so much. great to have your expertise. we appreciate it. >> you're welcome. rick: some new information now on a tough scene on a baseball field in new york last night as a star pitcher for the atlanta braves suffers an injury that we now know will end his season. look at this routine ground ball. the pitcher goes over to cover first base. the runner there, a mets player, accidentally stepping on his ankle and breaking that ankle. it was a gruesome injury. hudson lays on the field for some time. eric young jr. very shaken up as well, the first person to reach hudson to see if he was okay. and we are now getting word that tim hudson is going to get some surgery on this ankle. there's the break. look at the way it just bends like that. so the ankle is broken. it is too swollen, we're told, for the surgery to take place right now, but once the swelling goes down, he is going to have surgery in atlanta, and he is gone for the season. a tough break for the team, obviously, for the player as well, the braves in first place in the national league east making a push for the pennant in the national league. and so our sympathies go out. we wish him a speedy recovery. tim hudson, one of the good guys in the game of baseball. coming up, electronic cigarette sales are on the rise as more smokeers look for ways to kick the habit, but are they a really safe and healthy alternative to regular cigarettes? 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[ female announcer ] it balances you... it fills you with energy... and it gives you what you are looking for to live a more natural life. in a convennt two bar pack. this is nature valley. nature at its most delicious. rick: well, the numbers show that more smokers are turning to electronic cigarettes as they're called as an alternative to the real deal, and despite the lack of information on the long-term benefits or risks, according to the cdc more than 20% of smokers have used e-cigs and 6% of all adults have tried them. bloomberg news expects the industry revenue will reach $3 billion within five years. let's wring in the doctors for -- bring in the doctors for more on this. dr. manny alvarez is a member of the medical a-team and dr. ron chris call from -- crystal from new york presbyterian. dr. crystal, you've been doing some research on these e-cigarettes. >> we have. well, we don't know whether or not they're risky. when you breathe it in, it's basically a nicotine delivery device, and the concern is that, of course, it impacts the inside of the airways, and the question is does it cause any damage. rick: you brought one of them with you here. so this is, you know, basically, this is a way for smokers to get that they, that they crave, that they're addicted to, but without the smoke. >> that's exactly right. this is a propellant sort of like a spray can that moves nicotine into a cloud, and that's what you inhale. rick: so for people who are addicted to regular cigarettes and who may be looking for a healthier alternative, what would you say? >> i would say it's a lot -- well, first, i'd say stop smoking. rick: right. >> but it's a lot better than smoking cigarettes probably. but if you had the choice, i'd probably use a nicotine patch or some other delivery device. rick: the whole idea, dr. manny, of a so-called healthy cigarette, it sounds like an oxymoron. >> like a healthy hamburger. look, this is another gimmick by the tobacco companies. if you look at the rates of smoking in this country, about 50 million americans smoke, and we know for sure that, you know, nicotine is addictive, and in the multiple studies that very done looking at this specific device, the delivery system varies. you can get a lot of nicotine, very little nicotine. and if you look at some of the preliminary studies that have been done, they have found chemicals also that have been linked to carcinogenic effects, you know, things that regular smokers may have. perhaps in smaller quantities. so at the end of the day, what is this? again, this is a gimmick to keep people addicted. it is impossible for anybody who struggled with smoking to say, look, i'm going to switch to electronic cigarettes, and i'm going to quit smoking altogether. no, you can't, because they're still getting the nicotine. there's no phase out. if you go from a to a patch, it goes down and down and down. so this is a big problem. this is a thing that needs to be regulated, and i think eventually it's going to be regulated just like any tobacco product. and be to me as a practicing physician, what i fear with in the most is the -- with in the most is the rates of teen smoking. this is making teenagers pick up these devices which they can get without any regulation. you don't have to be 21 to buy one of these things, so you can go to a candy store and ask for one of these things. and if you look at the statistics, people say, yeah, you'll go back to regular cigarettes. so this is a gimmick that needs to be regulated. rick: all right, understood. but for folks who are going to smoke and maybe they live with somebody in the house that they don't want to breathe their secondhand smoke, not that we're condoning smoking in any way, shape or form, but is this a way for a smoker, someone addicted to nick teak to get their nicotine without endangering, perhaps, loved ones who they live with? >> it probably is a better way. however, we don't know -- and i agree absolutely, we just don't know if they're safe. clearly, it's giving you the addictive molecule. so i'd recommend absolutely to use the patch rather than using electronic cigarettes. rick: i used the patch 13 years ago, quit smoking -- >> and it worked. rick: it worked, happy to say. dr. manny alvarez, dr. ron crystal, all the best. jenna, over to you. jenna: high drama for a rising football star when he sees a car carrying a woman and her children bursting into flames. what he did, we're live with the story. he saved the day. also, furniture giant ikea saying no to opening a store in north korea, but wait this you hear where it is considering setting up shop. the new guy is loaded with protein! i'll believe it when i--- [ both ] oooooh... 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[laughter] >> reporter: that's an understatement. inside that suv a mom, three kids and their dog, dutch. willard says he grabbed the youngest child first and both he and that other motorist began pulling people and belongings out of the suv just in time. look at that. on fire, several explosions. apparently, there's a lot of love going on along i-40, too, because while they were all watching safely from the side of the interstate, another passer by stopped and gave the kids juice boxes. it was hot out there. and somebody else handed the mom $40 in cash saying she might need it. quite a week for tig willard. he just got picked up from clemson university as a linebacker for the tennessee titans. and you know you want to start your job out this way, because today the new head coach says he's already proud of him. back to you. jenna: anything ever happens to me on the highway, i want someone like tig, with those muscles, coming in to save my family. he looks like he's ready for the field, ready for the season ahead. harris, thank you. rick: they've got to find some space for him on that roster. they might. all right, a change in schedule on capitol hill with the house moving up a vote apparently leaving congressman mark sanford racing to make it to the floor on time for the vote, and the south carolina republican wearing the right clothes for a race. but maybe not for congress. jenna: wait a minute. rick: he was going to work out. he showed up in a t-shirt, gym shorts, sneaks. he did put on a blazer -- jenna: is that allowed? rick: listen, they moved the vote. what do you want him to do? he wanted to vote in time. he, of course, won a special election for the congressional seat back in may that marked a political comeback for him after his tenure as governor of the state of south carolina was marred by a sexual scandal. but, you know, there he is. jenna: well, i don't know if you know this, but shorts are kind of the chic look of the season for men and women. in fact, our senior producer showed up with these very cool plaid shorts for work today. rick: do we have a shot of the control room? jenna: he changed. do you know why? he said it's not appropriate for the newsroom, so he was going to change. we'll see if governor sanford has dress code issues. rick: clint obviously taking cues from the former governor. jenna: or just fashion trends. well, i bet nobody asked to see this guy's id. the unwanted bar patron who stopped in for happy hour and the buffet, next. rick: wow. >> first reaction would probably be have a heart attack, second one is give him whatever he wants. 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