Opportunity askiller. Im david webb in for sean. Over the weekend during a pod cast with a comedian mark marron president obama sparked controversy during a discussion about race. When he used the n word to convey his point. Listen to this. Racism we are not cured of it. Clearly. And its not just a matter of it not being polite to say [ bleep ] in public. Thats not the measure of whether racism still exists or not. Its not just a matter of overt discrimination. Societies dont overnight completely erase everything that happened two to three hundred years later. Did the dialogue you just heard advance the discussion about race . Joining me eric guster executive are director of the tea party. Net and Fox News Contributor denene. President obamas comments and the dignity of the office . Its outrageous. He has absolutely lowered the standard in terms of being president of the United States. He made no mention of racism in america when he ran for president not once but twice. I have dubbed him to do rapper in chief for using such language. You should see all the hate mail im getting. Im being attacked for president obama using such language on the national platform. What are young people thinking . What are people thinking this stming from the president of the United States . Its outrageous. It sounds like youre talking about the office of the presidency regardless of whoever sits there. Niger lets go to you on this. The president s use of the n word . I dont care so much about the president s use of the n word. I do agree with denene shes got a great line. I think she stole it from me rapper in chief. That is the president. Its also entertainer in chief. Hes tapped into the Entertainment Market and used it successfully. I think the context is much more important. The fact that today we had an extraordinary day in South Carolina. Where you had nicky haley, the first Indian American governor of South Carolina. Flanked by one of two black republicans of the senators in the United States senate, tim scott who is republican. You have this extraordinary moment where these folk remove or say that they plan to remove the Confederate Flag from the state grounds, you have the extraordinary moment about how far weve come as a country. And the fact that we are moving Forward Together in South Carolina charleston all over this country. This president feels the context of where he used that n word what he was saying is that things have not changed. Lets go to governor haley. This is what she had to say about removing the Confederate Flag. We do not need to declare a winner and a loser here. We respect freedom of expression. For those who wish to show respect for the flag on their private property nobody will stand in your way. The state house is different. The events of this past week call upon us to look at this in a different way. Today, we are here in a moment of unity in our state without ill will to say its time to move the flag from the capitol grounds. And lets go back in time. This is of course former president and former governor bill clinton, but show this. The blue star above the word arkansas to commemorate the Confederate States of america. A different application there. To our other guests eric guster how are you . Im great, how are you . Your take on the president s statement and the context . The context was very clear. The president was speaking about Race Relations and how things have come far, however, a lot of people have to understand that just not saying the n word in public is not necessarily saying that racism is totally eradicated. It was his context was clear. What denene was saying about rapper in chief that was totally inappropriate. He wasnt saying it in a rap lyric or saying this just to be casual. Al he was talking about the deep rooted areas of racism we have to deal with. Im in birmingham alabama. Where is the racism eric . The man was elected twice. Let me ask you this question denene asked it. Ill put it in a different context or in a different frame. Is america institutionally racism thats racism which required codified law, a social acceptance, a silent acceptance and bias prejudice in some form black, white in any form will always exist. Is american institutionally racist or are there racists in america . Definitely. From the boardroom to the courtroom. We have to deal with those people. Just like this mourron who killed nine people. He was a racist. We have to deal with those Different Levels of racism and start addressing it. Some people have said the president has not talked about racism. When he finally does hes getting attacked. He did the right thing by putting it in context. Back to denene the question is are we institutionally racist . I say were not. We dont have codified law like slavey. What we see in South Carolina is a rejection by all ethnisties of this. Our country has made amazing strides. The three, four of us on national television. Obama was elected twice it wasnt only with black voters. A black senator from South Carolina. Here were talking about a flag and racism again. That people are saying that is rampant in america. America is an exceptional country. Americans can work hard and apply themselves no matter who you are, anything can happen as long as you do that. There is always bias in life. We have to be honest about it. It can happen, black, white, asian, female. We deal with bias. We have law and a societal rejection of that. We are not static. Were not where we were in the 60s. Are we somewhere else . Were way somewhere else. We are moving forward as a country. Look we of all travelled around the world. And racism or bigotry is part of the human condition from africa to europe to asia tribalism, all types of religious animosity that exists. And bigotry that exists. America has come so far. So relatively quickly. You know its not often i quote a black democrat. Let me quote herald ford who took issue with the president using the n word. He says the challenge of our age for not just minorities but working class folk is education. We need education reform. Back to you, eric. Youve heard from both denene and niger again. Havent we evolved so we can have an honest discussion . I dont want to talk about the use of the n word. I agree on the office being more important. Were not talking about the issue, were talking about a word. Well were talking about the word and the issue. Because just like the president said in that podcast, it is not saying the word in public does not mean that racism is gone. We have to get to the deep rooted issues and start listening to each other opposed to just battling rams like on the mountain where we dont listen to each other. We have come a long way. I agree with that 100 . Just like what denene said we have four africanamericans on national tv right now discussing this. We have come a long way. But we have a long way to go. Thats why its important to have those discussions open kugs and not be pc about it so we cant have the discussions. We wont be dishonest about it as americans. I believe this country i think we all agree, eric niger denene weve come a far way. There will always be bias. We deal with those individual instances, eric thank you, denene niger great to see you. Karl rove under fire about his comments about the second amendment. He said hes been taken out of context. We want to focus on our grandfather and the other victims and making sure that the communities and the families heal. The grandfather and widow of one of the Charleston Church shooting victims share their youre giving away pie . What would you like, apple or cherry . Cherry. Oil or cream . Definitely cream. [reddi wip spray sound] never made with hydrogenated oil, oh, yeah. Always made with real cream. The sound of reddi wip is the sound of joy. I am totally blind. And sometimes i struggle to sleep at night, and stay awake during the day. This is called non24. Learn more by calling 8448242424. Or visit your24info. Com. When you travel, we help you make all kinds of connections. Connections you almost miss. And ones you never thought youd make. We help connect where you are. To places you never thought youd go. This, is why we travel. And why we continue to create new technology to connect you to the people and places that matter. Welcome back to hannity. Following the shooting in charleston last week liberals and the media tried to use the event to push for increased gun control. Karl rove weighed in on the issue yesterday on fox news sunday. Watch this. Weve come a long way. Maybe theres some magic law that will keep us from having more of these. I mean basically, the only way to guarantee that we would dramatically reduce acts of violence involving guns is to remove guns from society. Until somebody gets enough oomph to repeal the second amendment, thats not going to happen. Now former deputy chief of staff and advisor to president george w. Bush karl rove. Good to see you again. Thank you. You caught a few peoples ears lets call it that. I read it. And i looked at im guessing there was a little bit of sar sarcassism in there, was there . Look people always in moments like this some politicians look for magic answers. I dont think this is an answer. As i said i went on to describe what i think we ought to be focused about. We had warning signs from this young man. He talked to friends about it, other individuals about it. He went on the internet and openly explained what he was going to do. Somehow or another we missed those signs. We need more personal responsibility in our society. In my opinion, in which friends and family and Community Care about each other enough to take these things seriously. The idea that somehow or another this could have been prevented by some gun control act, it just simply is not accurate. I mean take chicago. It has some of the toughest gun control laws on the books, yet, its a murder capital. Its because when you take away the peoples right to keep and bear arms bad people keep and bear arms. And use them. So as i said yesterday on fox news sunday, this is not an answer. What is the answer thats needed . Or at least one of the answers, theres not one either or theres not a magic bullet. I agree with you on that. And were never going to repeal the second amendment. I think that point you made. We shouldnt its not going to happen. We shouldnt. Im not suggesting its even a good idea. But i do think this i think first of all, evil exists. Weve got to recognize that in our fallen condition there will always be evil. And in this specific instance i do worry that we had some warning signs that people should have picked up on. And didnt. He was on the enterinternet saying these things. He was saying these things to friends, probably to family as well. Somehow or another people didnt care enough or take responsibility for their fellow citizens enough seriously enough to do something about it. This is what the president had to say about this. Al of course the Presumptive Democratic nominee Hillary Clinton. You dont see murder on this kind of scale with this kind of frequency in any other advanced nation on earth. Whats different is not every country is awash with easily accessible guns. I am not and will not be afraid to keep fighting for commonsense reforms and along with you, achieve those on behalf of those who have been lost because of the senseless gun violence in our country. The president makes a statement, he pulls the agenda into it. And then Hillary Clinton plays to it. Youve been in that white house. What do you think . Well what i was interested was, earlier in the week the president basically said look this were not going to get additional gun control measures. On friday is when he ramped up the pressure. I think the president should have stayed away from the issue all together. I do not think he helps his cause. I do not think he serves the nation well by doing this. I think it would have been better for him to have been talking about how we as a society have a responsibility to love a neighbor like wed like to be loved ourselves. In this instance we had somebody who was espousing hate. Rather than raising concern, talk to people in authority, talk to the family raise warning signs when these warning signs were raised people didnt act. Thats what we ought to be focused on as a country. We ought to be focused on the incredible example we have of how evil was met by love. Admittedly by grief. I hate it had to be in a situation that was accompanied by grief. This is an incredible example of reconciliation that is taking place in the United States particularly in the south. I thought nicky haley this afternoon standing next to her was the first africanamerican since the reconstruction era to be a senator from the south. And standing next to her was Lindsey Graham who had previously opposed the removal of the Confederate Flag. There was this recognition by South Carolina as a community that it was time to return that flag to the museum where it belonged and to remove the hateful symbol that so many people in the state of South Carolina saw as a hateful symbol. I thought it was an incredible moment. Thats where the president ought to be focused. Not for something that is for political points and a cause that he has championed that had no success. The reality is no one is going to remove the second amendment. It will never be overturned in the United States. Thank you. Joining me now with reaction is president of the Crime Prevention center and charles cook. Thank you for joining me. First to you, john when you take a look at this situation, how its played out, what do you have to say to the president s remarks . Well i guess the thing that most disappoints me with regard to the president is he just keeps on putting out information thats clearly false. I mean in the clip you had,b the United States doesnt have the highest murder rate among developed countries. Lock at russia brazil those are countries that have three to five times higher murder rates than what we have here in the United States. There are other countries which are similar to us. You know the other types of claims he was making last week were that these mass public shootings only occur in the United States. The worst mass public shooting thats occurred has been in norway where 67 people were killed and 110 injured. If you look at europe and the United States not even taking into account a lot of really bad places in the world, the United States ranked eighth in terms of per capita mass public shooting deaths from 1999 on. Thats not accounting for things like bombing deaths with russia which has like twice as many bombing deaths as we have mass shootings. So lets bring this home to the United States. Youre right. Those are the numbers. Theyre horrific. We have murder rates gun crimes that have dropped. Thats been tracked over the last three decades. We have this narrative. I want to bring this into it which is whats being pushed here by the media, by the images. We have this image of a gun pointed at ted cruzs head. This is a picture that was taken by ap at about seven or eight hours later was posted. So is this deliberate . Is this narrative being pushed . They wouldnt have done it if it was barack obama or Hillary Clinton. Why do it if its ted cruz . They reflexes dont kick in with ted cruz like Hillary Clinton. On the previous point, i think john made a great point. On the specifics obama has forwarded. I understand this more as someone who used to be antigun. Obama said on the pod cast the other day, that if we had passed sensible gun control two years ago we dont know what would have happened in charleston. I think its worth saying its not true. If you look at the three things obama wanted to push. They were assault weapons ban, the limit on the size of magazines and they were background checks on all Sales Private and public. They wouldnt apply to this. Its not just that im saying they dont work. They dont. They dont intersect. He used a. 45 caliber handgun. He seems to have had a standard magazine. He passed a background check. There was a report saying he got it from his father. Obama is not leveling with the public. We will level with the public here on hannity. Thank you both. Coming up tonight. Just the love of all of the families for the victims. Was so overwhelming that it out weighed the hate that he had for them. The grandfather and daughter and widow of the one of the victims right here on hannity on how their family is dealing with the tragedy. Later dr. Keith ablow reacts to dylanns roofs step mother saying he was radicalized by i built my business with passion. But i keep it growing by making every dollar count. Thats why i have the spark cash card from capital one. I earn unlimited 2 cash back on everything i buy for my studio. And that unlimited 2 cash back from spark means thousands of dollars each year going back into my business. Thats huge for my bottom line. Whats in your wallet . Welcome back to hannity, as the emmanuel ame church in charleston continue to recover after last weeks shooting. The out pouring of love and support from across the country has been a source of healing for the families of the victims. The grand daughter of the reverend Daniel Simmons who was killed in the attack. Talked about coping with this tragedy in an emotional interview yesterday. Take a look. We want to focus on our grandfather and the other victims and making sure the communities and the families heal. Charleston has been a great example to the rest of the country as well. We just really really appreciate how eve