0 that are house in non-official e-mail accounts." in other words, ms. lerner needs to take a break from her taxpayer funded vacation, hand over all of the e-mails that she's been hiding from congressional investigators and she needs to do so no later than 5:00 p.m. on august 27th. joining me now with reaction is the man who has been leading this important investigation from the get-go, chairman of the house oversight committee, congressman darrell issa. good to see you. >> thanks for covering this update in one of the scandals that even the president can't in good faith call phony. >> yeah, good point. explain in detail why this is important, and there are other issues that might shed some light on why she pled the fifth. >> well, sean, one of the important things is that the more we see lois lerner as at the center of a number of points, the people below her in cincinnati and washington were sending information to her and she was saying stop, don't do anything. treasury to get this information, and so far they haven't been willing to get it and give it to us. >> let's talk about the relationship with the fec. didn't she once work for that agency? >> she did. and this is one of those interesting things about people who move around in government, and everywhere they go they seem to move an agenda. and she certainly seems like she has an agenda against conservatives. >> well, you're sort of being obscure here, congressman. you know more than you're telling. do you believe that she shared tax information, which would be i believe a violation of 6301, if i have the code right? >> the 6103 -- >> okay. >> we don't currently have proof. one of the things about our committee is we don't speculate on what we might find. we are following the leads as to her activities. and it's one of the reasons we haven't called her back on her failed fifth amendment attempt. we want to make sure we have all the tentacles, if you will, think that citizens united was a bad decision, like the president. and who are acting on that. >> let me play for you what i believe is a smoking gun tape. this is lois lerner saying that everybody was pressuring the irs to do something about all the money. this was in relation to, of course, what came out as a result of the supreme court decision. so i want you to listen to this and tell me what you think of this. >> chipped away, and chipped away. the supreme court bill took a huge blow, that said basically corporations could indirect -- and everyone is up in arms because they don't like it.