0 problems originally? honestly, this is not that big a number. you have private contractors handling 15, 20, 30 times the volume that had to be handled here. these are answers that she should be digging into and getting for herself. not putting this off on an inspector general which seems to me more like a way of getting heat off yourself. >> should she be in that job now? >> you know, i don't know if she should be in that job now. anybody else can do the job. it would seem to me some people really screwed up here and none identified yet an none of them held accountable. it's up to the president to decide whether she is accountable or not and whether he has confidence in her to continue to do the job after -- i can't think of a government fiasco bigger than this one in a long, long time. >> you know what? the thing that sort of very disheart tong me, we don't find out who's responsible and hired the people, who's the one supposed to be monitoring the work, who's to make sure than making the quality control and who's doing what. it's business as usual here in washington on a very big scale now. >> agree with that, greta. it seemed to me hearing the response today by the inspector general that this was not intended to quickly shed more light on this but instead this was part of the obvious caticat. let's have an investigation that makes months and months and months and obstruct congress. if they were trying to get to the bottom of it they would have gotten there already because this is not that complicated to figure out what the heck went wrong and fix it. i think we're in the middle of the second or third or fourth cycle of spin now. >> does the congress move fast enough in oversight? we have weeks and weeks between hearings. you and i have been in the courtroom. i would be much swifter in ge g getti getting things and send out subpoenas. >> i think we would be more aggressive than has taken place here and it's a shame because these things get stretched out. we saw it with benghazi and which had different consequences, human life was involved. and here with what's going on, which is people that were promised health care. many many more people have so far been dropped from health care than included in health care because of the debacle that the people created. >> mayor, thank you. always nice to see you, sir. >> good to see you, greta. also today, the obama administration releasing new enrollment numbers, growing to 365,000. that does fall far short of the goal of 1.2 million. the response from the white house? >> it is important for people to understand that they evaluate the affordable care act, measuring the success of that program cannot be done based on the number of people who signed up. it would be nice if the world worked in that simple of a fashion. >> so is the administration moving the goal post again or totally getting rid of it? abc news political director rick klein joins us. how are we doing on those goalpo goalposts? >> they moved to a different field basically. he's technically right. if the program works the way it is supposed to, what it means is right number of younger and older and sicker people sign up and it works but the larger point, the reason you passed obama care in the first place was to expand for more people this opportunity. the congressional budget office saying 7 million people, the estimate for the first year. if all of this is about a couple hundred ,0 thousand people, this is a big big deal for not a lot. >> if we have 365,000 who have signed up, if we divide that into the 318 million or 50 million, this is rather expensive project we have had. 5 million people lost their insurance policies. >> yeah. >> in order to have insurance by january 1st, you have to sign up by december 23rd and they have to go some place, right? they have to go some place between now and the 23rd. and only 365,000 have done anything. and what's the capacity of that website? probably not that. what happens to the five million? >> so a good portion of that 5 million lost on the individual market, they get a notification from the insurance company saying your old policy isn't there anymore. here's how you get a new policy. a lot don't go to the exchange. we don't know how many making up the gap. between medicaid and between the exchanges you will have more people with health insurance net-net in january than now but this is a big issue because you could have more people that lost it and changed than gained it in the first place and why remake the system if ultimately we're talking about a few hundred thousand people that gained access in a very big country? >> do you get the sense when the government and administration tells us good trend, things are looking good, do you get the sense they feel it in their soul? >> every step along the way they have been releasing numbers politically advantageous. for a long time we didn't get any numbers about enrollment and then they were accompanied by helpful spin of how to see it and the leaks of how the sign-ups happen through the first couple of weeks since the site back online and every step of the way i think they're massaging and no way to spin the fact it's not at capacity. and we could have a crush of people trying to get on, people that need insurance by january 1st, trying to get on at the back end and may not be signed up with the snafus at the back end. 2 million people started applications and haven't obtained insurance yet. that's a big warning sign out there. >> so it looks rather grim but we hope for the best. but looks rather grim. anyway, thanks, rick. >> thank you, greta. we just discovered a new and very serious problem with obama ca care. a problem we never saw coming, no one did. a fire chief is here to tell you what it is and why you should be worried even if you have insurance. you still should worry about this one coming up. first, i want to talk to you off the record about the huge embarrassment to our nation. i'll go off the record after the break.