pharaoh dynasty. it was found just west of cairo exceptionally well preserved with intact statues and original colors and hieroglyphics that could offer more understanding of the life back then. from december 16 thank you for joining us on "fox news sunday". chris: a federal judge strikes down obama care and president trumps is one - - inner circle is sentenced to prison who was next toon fall? >> whatever he did he did on his own. >> what does michael cohen's cooperation mean for the special counsel investigation? me will ask the leadg. lawyer. >> i am proud to shut down the government on border security.. i will be the one to shut it down i will not blame you. >> also with a divided washington with the possible government shutdown over the border wall. >> perhaps he does not understand people need paychecks. >> headed for compromise or confrontation? also the us engagement around the world there are many reasons we should maintain that. >> we will talk to the cochair of the gates foundation what he feels is a threateningng role dealing with poverty. right now. chris: hello again from washington. we begin with breaking news a federal judge has ruled the entire affordable care act. obama care will remain in place pending appeal that president trumper calling for congress to pass new legislation. we will getinnd to that later bt the president is already dealing with a possible government shutdown now five days away.fi prosecutors are producing more evidence that former members of the inner circle to plead guilty that implicates the president. we will get the latest fly from the white house. >> even for the administration with a shift in the new cycle without a debt a one - - without a doubt a tumultuous week. but it is damaging to the trump white house than those former members. >> three are facing time in prison but none with russian collusion former national security advisor was sentenced to lying to federal investigators the special counsel's office said he get time even though he was entrapped with questions. meanwhile in the first televised interview since being sentenced he claims he repeatedly lied over the years and set up payments to aid the campaign that was denied by the no white house. >> i will shut it down for the border. >> that did little to quell fears of a potential shutdown over the president's insistence over funding for a border wall that they will not pay for that the backers of the affordable care act to consider their next move in the wake of a ruling that the law is unconstitutiona unconstitutional. >> to sit down with the democrats to get great health care for our people. >> that ruling by the district court judge does not impact obama care recipients in the short term but it does set up a high court battle and that is the debate white house officials would love to have. >> think you. now joined me from new york that lead lawyer rudy giuliani welcome back. >> let's start with the allegation that president trump directed him to have a criminalca campaign finance violation. >> i never directed him to do anything wrong whatever he did on his own. and then to represent a client. >> he directed me to become involved in these matters and make the payments. >> did mister trump directed him to pay off the two women are not? mimic the truth is wet :-colon testified to under oath and what he repeated numerous times on tape recordings is that the president did not know about this until sometime into it. he did eventually find out about it and would reimburse him.m. this is hard but even if it were true it's not a crime. this has been covered in the edwards case not only the acquittal of a hung jury but the fact the sec looked at those violations and determined they were notca. chris: we will get to that but let's get to the simple question whether the president directed colin to make these payments are not. he says the president is not to be believed here he is. >> he does not tell the truth when it is sad that i should take responsibility for his dirty deeds. >> that is some lawyer. he was the lawyer in that situation. >> does the president tell the truth or not? >> yes he is telling the truth he is lying. is this a big surprise that he is lying? he got in front of the judge to say i was fiercely loyal to donald trump. nonsense he taped him and lied to him and revealed the tape that is not something i have ever heard a lawyer ever do? to tape-record your own client and then said he was not being taped two hours. he is a complete pathological liar that will never last on the witness stand. >> but not the credibility of michael cohen the president has changed his story repeatedly if he knew about hush money here is what he said on air force one in april. >> did you know? no truth? >> you have to ask michael. michael's my attorney and you'll have to ask michael. you'll have to ask michael. spent the president says he doesn't know anything about any payments but in one of those tapes you are talking where colin surreptitiously went tape the president backta in here is the president and t17. >> and when it comes time for financing. >> no no no. chris: which is it? did he know or not? >> i know this well because i was criticized for revealing this when i came into thee' cas. when i first came into the case the president's awesome notes and documents thought about it and i said no. after this payments took place in before the revelations you are talking about on air force oneid. the president did talk to cohen and people in between and they arranged to reimburse him after the payment was made and over in the campaign was overco. chris: you are talking about a conversation during the campaign he is clearly aware that the head of the national enquirer had paid offff karen mcdougall they are talking about reimbursing for that payment. >> that's a big difference i was a conversation he was asked in the middle of the camp - - campaign. i was with him i could not remember a lot of things that happened in september 2016 he was asked at one time when he sat down with his lawyer in great detail he immediately corrected it nobody found one - - pushed us we found that and i was criticized like crazy for doing that. chris: according both to cohen and becker who was the head of the national enquirer they said they were not in a meeting - - that they were in a meeting with trump in 2016 regarding mcdougall. >> it doesn't matter whether it happened or did not happen it is not illegalmeit. chris: but you are moving things around you there it happened or it didn't happen. >> that is what lawyers do all the time they argue the alternative. >> but i wants t the truth in a tape-recorded conversation he says write a check. i'm sorry. i'm implicated up thousands of crimes never implicated pay him back. they paid him back that is what this is all about it exonerates him and i would cross-examine cohen in front of any jury. but cohen did not plead guilty to conspiracy of campaign finance laws of they would use him as a witness plead guilty to a conspiracy so you can fill that. he pled guilty to a singular crime not a conspiracy. chris: but that statement still references the individual one. >> this is what you told the daily beast this week. nobody got killed. nobody got robbed. this was not a big crime. what is the threshold between a crime or a big crime? mimic my statement is the prosecutors. he who wrote that corrected it to say it was taken out of context. my point was there was noaf crime but if you take the prosecutors viewpoint, looking at collusion. chris: no no no. the southern district of new york. >> they are part of the department of justice. chris: when you were the us attorney you and take some orders from somebody in washington not the attorney general you were your own. >> the person in charge of this investigation is rubenstein the deputy attorney general he is the boss of the southern district of new york. move it overat here. and then to keep supervision ofat it. and rod will make the decision what to do with this case and not that witchhunt to go back to 1982 and 1983 they are going through business records. my goodness they went from collusion to obstruction no evidence now campaign finance no violation of thet law the matter who is right there is no violation of the law. >> i have to move on president trump. >> you want to do the truth that is the truth. >> but now president trump talks about whether or not he lied to the fbi to make he tooky a general that said he did not lie and convince them that he did and now they are recommending no time because they are embarrassed because they got caught. chris: does the president believe michael flynn lied or ? >> i don't know if he lied or not that is contradictory you have the fbi saying at the time he was not lying and now we have no explanation and he pleads guilty. i don't know what happened in between. >> i want to put up a tweet from the president one year ago when he says i had to fire general flynn because he lied to the vice president and the fbi he is pled guilty to those lies. the president one year ago seem to know that he was lying and now not so sure?fl >> the president doesn't know that he lied. he knows what you knew at the time he pled guilty. chris: he knows what flynn said to the vice president. >> that was a lie. but that was not a crime. >> you are all over the place chris and confusing people. same lie to the vice president and then to lie to the fbi is a crime. >> the more important thing with the president know or did not know with him being involved of conspiracy if it is reported one of the assistance the us attorney lied to the court, if he did or he didn't he knows what he reads he was found guilty of lying.. i did not know at the time. >> i'm not confusing people okay. last three questions there are reports now that the special counsel is interested again interviewing the president. has his office reached out to you for the in person interview with the president? mimic yes there are several unpaid parking tickets in 1986 that areun not explained. seriously. chris: with the special counsel? >> good luck. what they did to flynn and trap him into perjury? fourteen days for papadopoulos i did better on traffic violations. chris: you say good luck? >> they are a jokeop. over my dead body but i could beouri dead. i am disgusted with the tactics they have used what they did to general flynn resulting in discipline they are violating the law.ca looking at a non- crime collusion the other is a non- crime campaign and they are violating the law and the rules in the ethics nobody wants to look at them. they destroyed the text and 19000 text they put them in jail. chris: mayor giuliani think you. >> i love it and please come back. chris: up next we will bring in our group to discuss if the judge is obama care ruling could mean for millions of americans and also a president trump saying he would be proud to shut down the government wall and we may use your questions on the air. erent. so, i created a world where i can heal. are all of the dolls people you know? 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[laughter] >> shutdown or not? >> all signs point to a compromise. with those patterns and how they play out the last week they had very little interest