Interviews with newsmakers and discussions of current affairs. adviser john bolton and marco rubio, a top member of the senate intelligence and foreign relations committee. bolton and marco rubio only on "fox news sunday". then a federal judge blocked a texas activist from putting blueprints online to make plastic on some 3-d printers. cody wilson joins us to explain why he thinks it's a good idea. hours after this - - >> i do not feel the media is the enemy of the people. >>chris: president trump bashes journalists again. >> what ever happened to fair press? what ever happened to honest reporting? they don't report it. they only make up stories. >>chris: we will ask our sunday panel about the trump family divine. all right now on "fox news sunday". hello again from fox news in washington. top national security officials say the threat from russian meddling in the upcoming midterms is real. president trump keeps calling it a hoax.one of several issues along with north korea and iran where the presidents statements appear at odds with the rest of his administration. in a moment, what talk about this seeming disconnect with the president national security advisor, john bolton. first, let's bring in kristin fisher in columbus, ohio where president trump held another of his highly charged rallies last night. >>reporter: this was president trump's second campaign rally since five of his top national security officials stood side-by-side sounding the alarm that pressure is continuing to try to interfere in our elections. yet, at both rallies, presiden trump has not backed them up . >> we've got to stop meddling and everybody from attacking us. but there were a aa lot. russia is there, china is they are. >>reporter: once again, president trump reviews placing the blame squarely on russia. but he had no problems charging china. >> china is smart and they know the american farmers love donald trump. they say, what can we do to stop donald trump? >>reporter: the retaliatory tariffs are hitting the presidents key constituencies. prompting a bailout for farmers. - - made clear, he's feeling the heat. >> so much for my brand-new beautiful suit. >>reporter: the president and republicans are also feeling the heat heading into tuesday's special election for ohio's 12th congressional district. it's why president trump came to this district to rally his supporters around - - was locked in a tight race with democrat danny o'connor.>> a vote for danny boy and the democrats is about to let criminals and drugs for into our country and to let ms-13 run wild in our communities. >>reporter: that is exactly what we can expect more of heading into the midterms. this is president trump third campaign rally this week. that case is only expected to accelerate. >>chris: kristin fisher reporting from columbus, ohio. joining me now is the president's national security advisor, john bolton. welcome back to "fox news sunday". >> glad to be with you. >>chris: let's begin with breaking news, venezuelan president is calling an assassination attempt against him yesterday. let's put up this video. pretty striking. the president speaking at a military event when drums loaded with explosives exploded. you can see security protecting was ballistic blankets and military. role and unnamed - - in the united states. these are things he's said before. you have to take them for what they're worth. if the government of venezuela has hard information that they want to present that would show a potential violation of u.s. criminal law, we will take a serious look at it. in the meantime, i think what we should really focus on is the corruption and oppression of the regime in venezuela. >>chris: let's turn to the apparent disconnect between what trump administration officials are saying about russian meddling in 2016 and 2018 and what president trump is saying about the here is how dhs secretary nielsen described in the president hours later. >> our democracy itself is in the crosshairs. >> i had a great meeting with putin and we discussed everything. now we are being hindered by the russian hoax. it's a hoax. >>chris: ambassador, which is it?is it a threat to our democracy or is it a hoax? >> i know there's this narrative in the press that there is a disjunction between the president and the rest of his administration. i got to know eugene mccarthy, the late democratic senator. used to describe the process as a group of birds sitting on a telephone wire. one would fly off and then they'd all fly off. that's what this narrative i think is all about. the president knew exactly what was going to be said at that press briefing on thursday. he's the one who directed it be held. it came as a result of a national security council meeting we held the friday before were the heads of the operating agencies who attended on thursday and others, told the president what we were doing. he thought it was important the american people heard directly from the people responsible for election security at the federal level. in a nonclassified environment. >>chris: they are saying, this is a clear and present danger, that russia did it in 2016 and are continuing to do it now. you have the secretary of homeland security with her hair on fire think democracy is in the crosshairs and you have president trump think you're being hindered by the russian hoax. that is not the press making that up. anybody who looks at it has got to see it a difference there. >> i think what he's saying about the hoax is the idea that the russians directed control of his campaign or administration, that there were some conspiracy or violation of u.s. line 2016. >>chris: he's handed down an indictment of 12 military intelligence officers of the g are you. >> there's no question that's going on. the hoax is the idea that the trump campaign was a beneficiary of a concerted effort together with the russians to affect the 2016 election. as to that, there's no evidence publicly. but everybody who participated in the press conference thursday agreed as has the president on several public occasions that the intelligence community assessment of russian meddling in 2016 is valid. >>chris: one of the most powerful ways mr. trump can try to prevent any meddling in the 2018 election is to stand up in public and call out vladimir putin and say, knock it off. i want to go back to helsinki and to the joint summit news conference there. >> i have great confidence in my intelligent people. but, i will tell you that president putin was is cleanly strong and powerful in his denial today. >>chris: i know you say it was the first issue that president trump brought up with putin in that to everybody's been focusing on. that's who you focused on in your briefing. >> rights. there's no question that russia was the principal violator and their activity this year, puts them in the lead the activity so far at least is down from 2016. but it does not exclude for the potential for others to muddle. and i think the broader issue that i think christopher wray talked about in particular of influence efforts that go beyond the specifics of a particular election. i think that's very troubling too. >>chris: you talk about the media and the idea they all jump off the telephone line. >> not everyone but a lot of them. >>chris: in a much more direct way, the president critiqued the media. iwant to put up the streets. this tweets. this is one of them. the fake news hates me saying relationship is typical. >>chris: we learned north korea continues to produce plutonium. continues to build new missiles. there are reports that north korea is violating the sanctions by ship to ship transfers. china and russia are stepping up their efforts to ease around the sanctions. at what point does the trump administration say that kim is playing us. there he isn't serious about denuclearization and basically call him on this? >> that point may well, as i've said to you and others before. there's nobody in this administration starry eyed about the prospects of north korea the nuclear rising. i think the president is giving kim jong-un a master class in how to hold the door open for somebody. if the north koreans can't they retaliated.now we are talking about 25 percent on $200 billion more in chinese exports and they are threatening tariffs on $60 billion of u.s. products. here's larry kudlow. >> the president is impatient. so yes it to our team, take a look at raising the tariff on them. last 200. take a look. he's impatient. >>chris: how far is president trump prepare to go in his standoff with china and if chinese president xi jinping doesn't blink or back down, how long could this go on? >> i think as larry was in, don't underestimate president trump's resolve. for decades, china has been the principal malefactor trying to use a free trade aspiration. most of the rest the world has to pursue mercantilist goals. it steals intellectual property. >>chris: how far you prepare to take this? >> far enough to get china to change its behaviorand they need to understand that. >>chris: if they don't ?>> i think the pressure will continue and the president has made that very clear. >>chris: ambassador bolton, always good to talk with you. when we come back, senator marco rubio joins us exclusively to talk about his push to hit russia if they meddle in our midterms as well as his plans for paid family leave. later, should blueprints to make a plastic gun in your own make a plastic gun in your own home be availablsurance that won't replace the full value of your new car? you'd be better off throwing your money right into the harbor. i'm gonna regret that. with liberty mutual new car replacement we'll replace the full value of your car. ♪ liberty. liberty. liberty. liberty ♪ this time, it's his turn. you have 4.3 minutes to yourself. this calls for a taste of cheesecake. philadelphia cheesecake cups. rich, creamy cheesecake with real strawberries. find them with the refrigerated desserts. a hotel can make or break a trip. and at expedia, we don't think you should be rushed into booking one. that's why we created expedia's add-on advantage. now after booking your flight, you unlock discounts on select hotels right until the day you leave. ♪ add-on advantage. discounted hotel rates when you add on to your trip. only when you book with expedia. >> president trump's off-the-cuff statements about russia, north korea and iran stand in contrast to the rest of his administration and much of the republican party. we want to discuss that with senator marco rubio, a key member of the senate foreign relations and intelligence committee. : two "fox news sunday".>> thank you, thanks for having me back. >>chris: you are trying to get the senate to pass what you call the dieter act which would invoke automatic sanctions against russia or any country that interferes with u.s. elections. is what top intelligence officials at the trump administration send this week. >> russia attempted to interfere with the last election and continue to engage in maligned influence operations to this day. >> it's pervasive, it is ongoing. with the intent to achieve their intent and that is drive the bill, it's the director of national intelligence, not the president who would certify that interference had taken place. given all the presidents talk about the russia hoax, don't you trust him to call out kremlin meddling? >> i do. especially if it happens in 2018. that's part of the bill we will probably have to rework because we want to pass the bill. we want to create an automatic way for sanctions to kick in. there will probably have to be an additional of a presidential waiver. the dni will play a key role. that's the way we crafted it but the partner i'm working with, we are willing to make reasonable changes that allows us to pass it and that's probably one of those that we've heardpush back on. we wantto do something done and do whatever it takes to pass a law that will have real sanctions that will you can house pass past the house and senate. >>chris: president trump tweeted this. attorney general jeff sessions should stop this rigged witchhunt right now for it continues to stain our country any further. afterwords, you said special counsel robert mueller should be allowed to finish his work and all of the truth should come out. in pursuit of that truth, should president trump sit down with the special counsel to answer any questions about russian collusion, obstruction of justice and what if he refuses and the special counsel get the subpoena? >> the second question is really for the president lawyers. i'm not in a position to give legal advice to the president. but let me talk about the first part and that is, this is no mystery. he believes strongly, he says he knows for a fact that he did not collude with the russians the long-term. i think he's more than willing to tear apart the facilities, as he's got newer ones that work better. i believe, he believes, even if he gets rid of some of the new enrichment capability, he already has existing weapons and existing enriched capabilities that he can hide from the world. every time he does one of these productions, he is engendering goodwill internationally which is ultimately his goal. to undermine national support for sanctions by underlining all of these things i'm doing. that's his goal in my opinion and i hope he's wrong. >>chris: it appears to be working. we understand north korea is violating the sanctions by doing ship to ship transfers. we hear that russia is doing business with north korea. they are bringing thousands of more workers into the country who are ineffective slaves to send money back to the regime. isn't tim succeeding in lowering the temperature. breaking apart the alliance of sanctions and president trump is being played? >> neither one of those two things are new. the laborers to russia has been going on in the ship to ship transfer is the only way to evade. i think we need to be becareful about - - [indiscernible]. the chinese would love for this to be a step-by-step process that drags out. i don't know if the president is being played. i think he's hoping for the best but preparing for the worst.the sanctions remain in place. i think they need to be more cautious about continuing to engage our partners around the world that they are fully aware of what's happening and what isn't happening in north korea point what's real and what isn't real. i will have concerns about anything they've done so far. >>chris: i want to ask you about one of your other big issues and that is you have introduced legislation to create paid family leave. you take the money that would go to the parents of newborn children from social security payments they would get later on. democrats say the benefit is too small and it shouldn't come out of retirement payments and third, most people take family leave for illnesses. either their own or family members. they don't take it for childbirth. ivanka trump was a big supporter said there's no chance this is going to happen in this congress. >> nothing is going to happen other than the bills that are stacked up and ready to goal. if this is a big issue, it's a revolutionary idea and it will take time to pass. here's what it does, it's an option. you don't have to. the benefit is comparable to what you get in the private sector in terms of paid family leave for the birth of a child. number three, the concept is this. if you choose to dictate families, at least six weeks, up to 12 weeks. you can decide some of your retirement benefits from your money and social security, you can advance and take now instead of later. a portion of it. it's a choice, an option you have. for the 85 percent of americans that today have no options at all other than to skip paychecks. how many people can afford to skip one paycheck not to mention 4-6 after the birth of a child? >>chris: senator marco rubio, thank you point please come back. up next, we bring in our sunday group to discuss president trump's escalating attacks on the media. the faceup with reporters gets even more heated. would you like to ask the panel about the presidents threat to shut down the government before the midterm elections over the midterm elections over funding for hi the world is full of different hair. that's why pantene has the perfect conditioners for everyone. from air-light foam, to nourishing 3 minute miracle, to the moisture-infusing gold series. we give more women great hair days - every day. pantene. back pain can't win. now introducing aleve back and muscle pain. only aleve targets tough pain for up to 12 hours with just one pill. aleve back & muscle. all day strong. all day long. don't take entresto with an ace inhibitor or aliskiren, or if you've had angioedema with an ace or arb. the most serious side effects are angioedema, low blood pressure, kidney problems, or high blood potassium. ask your doctor about entresto for heart failure. yeah! entrust your heart to entresto. ♪ the beat goes on. >> i am a little torn myself yet i would personally prefer before. whether it's before or after, we are either getting in over closing down government.we need border security. >> it would be bad politics for the republican party to shut the government down. we'd get blamed. >>chris: senator lindsey graham warning president trump not to shut the government down over immigration issues ahead of the midterms. it's time now for oursunday group. karl rove , philippe reines, susan page and jason riley. which heading down the government over the wall and immigration issues help or hurt republicans in the midterms? >> her to the republicans. they've they are seen of having control of the government. regardless of how the president describes the culprits as being the democrats, it will hurt the republicans. the presidents approval is 46-51 and the latest fox poll. 43-55 on immigration. >> so don't push immigration? >> don't shut down the government. if you want to shut down the government, shut it down over the economy but people don't believe particularly when it comes to the wall that it's the right thing. the wall is the weakest border security. you noticed he stopped talking about the wall and border security. even inside the white house, the wall is not as popular as border security. >>chris: we asked you for questions and on this issue of apollo'spossible shutdown got this question. if potus shuts down the government, how will he get his supreme court pick confirmed and how will the republicans get blamed? >> as my insider knowledge of the gop, i think this is another example of the president putting a bigger problem to his own party than the democrats who most of the time that are just bystanders. i don't know what he gets out of it but i don't think he cares. i don't think he really cares what happens in november. >> of course he does. he knows what happens to his agenda if he loses the house. >> i think he knows he gets to run against the house in 2020. i don't think he worries about impeachment. as much as his colleagues in congress to. >>chris: i'm going to switch subjects in terms of the president bashing of the media. i know it's always all about us but it seemed to hit critical mass this week.you just heard my conversation with ambassador bolton in which the president says media can cause wars, they are sick. we had this conversation about ivanka trump who talked about the fake media and president trump hours later. >> i have sensitivity around why people have concerns and gripes, especially when they feel targeted. i do not feel the media is the enemy of the people. >> they can make anything bad because they are the fake, fake, disgusting news. >>chris: susan, there was also that moment in the white house briefing room where cnn reporter jim acosta, some will say he was grandstanding. i kind of agree with that but he challenged sarah sanders, the spokeswoman to declare that the press are not the enemy of the people and she refused. >> i care more about what the president says then the press secretary. mr. bolton in your interview setting adversarial with white house is common. haven't covered six white houses, that is true. but the rhetoric the president is using, enemy of the people, this is a phrase from stalin. it is chilling and unprecedented in modern times. it does not recognize the world that the founders sought for a free and vigorous press to hold officials accountable and to be the friend of the american people. i think it's enormously serious. >>chris: jason, let me ask you a question. you've had un officials in charge of freedom of expression around the world this week say these kind of comments, again, i don't think were talking about criticism of the media. we are talking about fake news, starting wars, enemy of the people, that it undermines the role of the free press around the world to hold governments accountable.>> ivanka trump is right. the press is not the enemy of the people and you are right that this rhetoric coming out of the white house is unprecedented. but so is some of the behavior of the media these days. media is supposed to be covering this white house objectively and is behaving much more like activists than on objective journalists. this too i think has reached a lumpy when that happens i believe the press deserves to be called out. the pressure not be the story. the story should be making sure the voters are informed and too often these days, they are making themselves the story. >>chris: the president makes them the story. >> that is due to this relationship that i think all administration's have. but the press often takes the bait. this is what we end up talking about. the press loves talking about the press.>> as a reporter, i do not love talking about the press. i think what is happening, there are certainly things to criticize about the press. but i think with the president is doing is undermining faith in the institutions that stand to challenge him. >>chris: let me bring in karl, because as a white house officials, you felt you were probably unfairly targeted by the press. where is the line between what we do wrong and accurate reporting and what the president is doing right now? >> any white house has the right to be specific in criticizing that coverage. i think the administration ought to say we think this is what's wrong. but the ferocity of these generalized slurs if you will against the press and the frequency is disturbing to me. i watched the speech. i lost track, about 18-19 times that the presidentwent after the press. every time he did, that crowd toward its approval . but that crowd represents the hard-core base. this does not help him with his bigger problem. 28 percent strongly approved. those with people strongly screaming when he said enemy of the people but 41 percent strongly disapprove. he is enraging the opposition while reinforcing a smaller base . >>chris: you were talking up before about losing the midterms with - - [indiscernible] >> it's working for him but that doesn't mean it's right. it's a part of a war on the truth. i've been on the other side of this, you know that and susan probably knows that. >>chris: you worked for hillary clinton. >> the media is not always perfect but you get on the phone and you talk about it. my beef now is the media has to accept that this is not normal behavior. they have to realize they are in combat they have to start acting differently. stop broadcasting the daily press briefings live, get rid of the soap opera aspect. the grandstanding. they have to use the word lie when he lies, etc. >>chris: well, i disagree with that. when we come back, the battle over 3d printed guns. cody wilson wants americans to have the information to make get your groove on with one a day 50+. ♪ get ready for the wild life ♪ complete multivitamins with key nutrients that address 6 concerns of aging, including heart health, supported by b-vitamins. your one a day is showing. you wouldn't accept an incomplete job from any one else. why accept it from your allergy pills? 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>> hi chris. i put the blueprints for all types of guns, all technical plans, all data past and present. i put them all online and that's the right i have secured. it's not that i'm somehow only fascinated by the idea of a printable gun.it was a mere demonstration of a much wider capability. firearms which is in no way precluded by current law. >>chris: as i understand it, you say this is your first amendment right. information you're putting it online, not what happens after people receive that information. i'll have to tell you that the first amendment is not an absolute right. you're not allowed to cry fire in a crowded theater. courts have exercised fire restraint to stop people from publishing movements in the time of war. it's not an absolute right. >> chris, i'd expect you to not propagate that ignorance. fire in a crowded theater has not been law for over 40 years. that case was replaced with the standard is even the most inflammatory speech is protected by the first amendment unless it produces eminently unlawful action or is likely to produce imminent harm. these are not the standards. we need to correct people's ignorance. the first amendment without question protects this kind of data. lawfully produced, it's got a cognizant government authority. it's directly related to another protected right which is the second amendment. speech about another amendment is even more protected. >>chris: first of all, we don't know whether it's protected because a judge issued a temporary restraining order and there will be a court hearing about this this week. i know you will be pursuing this. you talk about speech that incisor creates the opportunity for illegal action, here's the problem with putting these blueprints about plastic guns on the internet. it allows people to create, to make guns that are untraceable. there's no serial number. it allows them to make guns that are undetectable. they can get through a metal detector. it also allows people who would be prohibited from having guns, whether it's someone with a mental illness, a felon, domestic abuse or even a terrorist. it allows them to make guns. take a look at democratic senator ed markey. >> these downloadable firearms are available even to those who could not pass a background check. it's the ultimate gun loophole. >>chris: the nra has supported the law that makes these guns undetectable firearms, illegal. for 30 years. >> i don't think ited markey kn you could legally make a gun until last week. this is their discovery that it's been legal to make a gun for yourself.i'm sorry you just found that out. okay, but you should have made a law. make it illegal to make guns in this country. >>chris: they did make an undetectable firearms act that passed 30 years ago. >> it's legal to make a gun if you include a requisite amount of metal. that's why i'm not in jail. my principal guns have the required amount of metal. maybe even that type of law ultimately couldn't survive second amendment scrutiny but i'm not here to argue for or against our security norms. i'm arguing that what i want in court was the right, not just singularly but all americans have the right to share data for making firearms on the internet. this is not controversial. the progressive case, nuclear plants, these are protected by the first amendment. i'm sorry that people are just waking up to the idea that the first amendment protects scientific inquiry. >>chris: you first put a blueprint online in 2013 and it was downloaded almost 100,000 times before you were stopped by the government. since you put the blueprint again after a settlement with thefederal government online, it was downloaded more than 20,000 times . is the genie already out of the bottle and we are arguing about something that's already happened? lex frankly, that's the case. >> when the attorney general came intowashington they said y honor, he's going to release this august 1. in one sense i released it three years five years ago. these attorney generals have no standing. the judge can't review the decision the state department made so i'm watching all of these gun files online and when we both know guns are now downloadable and they have been repeatedly demonstrated to be. >>chris: to a certain degree, i think you are saying i'm just making the information available but i'm not responsible for what people do once they get the information. the fact is, there are real-world consequences here. what if somebody takes your information, make the gun and then goes out and kill someone, potentially god forbid kills a member of your family. do you bear any responsibility? would you feel any remorse? >> i credit the question as an honest question as good faith but i believe in the second amendment to the point of, it's all right and it should be expected there will be social cost for protecting a right. why is the people's right to keep and bear arms on the bill of rights? because we know there are downside and there are consequences to allowing free people to own the means of self-defense. we should expect and have a mature attitude that bad things can happen. >>chris: but the government has made decisions that for the best of society, certain people should be prevented from having guns. it should be easier to trace and to detect. you are going around all of that. >> i disagree. with respect, i disagree. the government has regulated manufacturers of arms but the government has never regulated the production of firearms that you are allowed to own. an american can make a gun and there's no requirement for the serial number on it and i'm sorry that a bunch of politicians woke up to the reality of this just last week but this is the way it's always been. >>chris: cody wilson, thank you for talking with us. up next, our "power player of the week". the army's art collection puts come here, babe. ok. nasty nighttime heartburn? try new alka-seltzer pm gummies. the only fast, powerful heartburn relief plus melatonin so you can fall asleep quickly. ♪ oh, what a relief it is! 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