Police. When our leaders had a chance to douse the flames of the racial hatred and the divide that is tearing this country apart they didnt douse the buyers they stoked them. The president of the united states. Sometimes you have got a Police Department that has gotten into bad habits this period of time that hasnt surfaced hidden biases that we all carry around. If you look at what happened with Michael Brown and what happened after trayvon if you look at the decision after eric garner i am being explicit about my concern and being explicit about the fact that this is a systemic problem that black folks and latinos are not just making this up. The attorney general eric holder wears his race and proudly saying he knows what it is like to be a black man confronted by the police. The national out cry we have seen speaks to a sense of mistrust and mutual position that takes hold in the relationship between Law Enforcement and certain communities. I wanted the people to know that i personally understood that mistrust. I wanted them to know that while so much else may be uncertain attorney general and department of justice stands with the people of ferguson. The actions of socalled leaders in failing to defend Law Enforcement the one line of defense we have against what would otherwise be a violent Chaotic Society has created this vie he lens of racial tension and perceived justified hatred for our protectors. And when the mayor of the city of new york doesnt defend his own Police Department two lieutenants violently attacked in a socalled peaceful protest that demands the killing of police bill deblasio not only becomes derelict in his duties but he fails in his responsibility to protect the rest of us. He cant even admit that the police were attacked. He says they were allegedly attacked. Mr. Mayor i know you are new knew at this but you are allowing your presentlyingtis towards police to interfere with the facts. They werent allegedly assaulted they were vel limaliciously att by union type friends chanting this. chanting you dont seen ee the immorality of that you dont criticize the people yelling that. You defend this. We believe in the First Amendment we all do but there are exceptions to free speech. You cannot yell fire in a crowded theater. You cannot insight riots and its about damn time the chance when do we want dead cops when do we want it now is outlawed. Its about damn time we stop this. And hey, bill, stop being a wuss and start being a damn leader, but not you. You want to talk about centuries of racism and dripping with police hatred you say. What parents have done for decade who have children of color especially young men of color is train them to be very careful when they have a connection with a Police Officer or have an encounter with a Police Officer. It is different for a white child. It is the reality of this country. What decade are you living in . The police so outraged they created a dont insult my service form signed new york city cops telling the mayor to stay away from their funerals in the event they are killed in the line of duty. And ironically and tragically within a week, in that very same brooklyn, a newlywed and a father of two sitting in a marked car eating lunch, five days before christmas shot in the head point blank range, execution style by a scum bag thug who proudly signalled they take one of ours. Lets take two of theirs and referencing Michael Brown and eric garner. And dont tell me this dirt bag wasnt influenced our leaders and doesnt give me hog wash he is just another crazy. That is too ease sgree. He was clear and focused and he was egging on passers by to watch what he was about to do. So in the hospital where the two officers were just pronounced dead new yorks finest justifiably turns their back, turn their back to the mayor. The man who brazenly forces the ultimate race al baiter al sharpton with the greatest department in the world new york city, the one and only al sharpton attacks more than 4 and a half Million Dollars in taxes a proven liar insurantigating a false tale of a young black girl raped whites whose march is yelling no justice no peace in crowned heights creating chaos in towns all over this country whose response to Michael Browns decision quote we lost the round but the fight aint over. You won the first round mr. Prosecutor but dont cut your gloves off, because the fight is not over. Close quote. And last night a sympathy message from al. Al, your message is too little too late. We dont buy it and we dont want it. But back to you mayor deblasio. You are not a leader. At last nights press conference you say you dont want to get into politics and today you go to mass with Police Commissioner brat where the cardinals try to comfort pain so nanny of us in new york are feeling. Instead of speaking at the microphone for you outside of the cathedral you sneak out the side door. Cat got your tongue . You are the same guy who couldnt wait to tell us how you had to teach your son about the dangers and racism is present in real decisions that permeate our sewsit societies today. Last night you say its an attack on all of us everything we hold dear. You dont hold Law Enforcement dear. We dont want it we dont buy it. You are not a leader deblasio, you are a classic bully and yes you have got blood all over your shoes. Thats my opening. Joining me now two men who Work Together as mayor of new york and Police Commissioner on the phone former mayor Judy Giuliani and in washington former new york city Police Commissioner howard schafer. Good evening to you both. Good evening. Good evening. Are you there . I am right here. How do you feel . Of course i feel horrible. Let me say hello to my good friend howard. We worked together for many years before i was mayor and he was Police Commissioner in the Justice Department. This is a terrible night howard and i went through many of them when he was Police Commissioner as i did with bill and bernie kerik. I think that the new york city Police Department is in shock. I think that we are going to have to try to figure out how to repair this relationship because deblasio is the mayor and he will continue to be the mayor. I agree with you the last two to three months i dont think just new york. I think it is all over the country we have had an incredible amount of hate for Police Officers. I tried to combat it on meet the press. I got plenty of criticism about the problem is black on black crimes not police on black crimes. The Police Account for i dont know less than 1 percent of the shootings vooving blacks. Blacks account for 92 percent of the shootings. Blacks commit murder 56 times per capita. They try to say its white on white crime, too. In fact in new york city only 8 percent of the people who commit murder is white. Theres nothing racist about what i just said. What i just said is called the truth. If you dont you start engaging in propaganda, denial and all of the kind of stuff you quoted to before for someone to describe the president or attorney general is a systemic problem is absurd. Is it a systemic problem its an occasional problem in Police Brutality. The systemic problem under thousands and thousands of black young men who killed the other black young men and the heros of the black community should be the two Police Officers who were assigned there to prevent black murder. That is what they were assigned there to do. They were assigned to protect the young people of that community. One hispanic, one asian, our Police Department as howard knows is one of the dye verse in the country. We assigned them based on the Program Based on where crime took place. It was a bunch of italian kids in South Brooklyn stealing cars we were arresting a bunch of italian kids in South Brooklyn stealing cars. If a shooting happened it happened. If it was a person attacking police we had a big incident over a person the school was hurt while being arrested by the police. If its black people committing crimes they are the ones getting arrested. The problem here is a crime police react to it the president , attorney general have created what i call an atmosphere of state, speech, about police. It is sickening. This at moss pemosphere of h speech as you describe it, mr. Mayor, and the fact that you have described, are very accurate. Most people dont understand it. Most of the people who are chanting what do we want dead cops when do we want it now . These people have been led to believe that is someone actually has the staff that you just had you are the racist when you are telling the truth. I happen. Howard will surely say the same thing. During the 8 years i was there i saved more black lives than any mayor in new york city. Howard saber or bill bratton or bernie kerik may well have been or might have been ray kelly. But the reality is we save black lives only because the Police Office is like the died. Ive to go to the break. Rudy giuliani, howard safer more after the break. When i crave a smoke thats all i crave. Thats where this comes in. Only nicorette gum has patented dualcoated technology for great taste. Plus nicorette gum gives you intense craving relief. And that helps put my craving in its place. Thats why i only choose nicorette. Fifteen minutes could save you fifteen percent or more on car insurance. Everybody knows that. Well, did you know genies can be really literal . No. What is your wish . No. Ok. A million bucks oh no. Geico. Fifteen minutes could save you fifteen percent or more on car insurance. Thanks. [ male announcer ] fedex® has solutions to enable Global Commerce that can help your company grow steadily and quickly. Great job. mandarin cut it out. See you tomorrow. We are back with former mayor Rudy Giuliani and howard schafer. I am going to go to you. This issue what happened in new york what happened when you left how dowry act to this . How are you feeling tonight . I am sad and i am angry. I am sad for the recommend mel and lieu family they are going through what the mayor and i went through quite a few times. Samlies lose loved ones. It is over 40 years in the police force i have never seen an atmosphere like this. There have been incidents in the past when i was Police Commissioner and since when you get the usual suspects raving about the police, we have the president the attorney general, a mayor going after Police Officers. We have to see a digs stinks because theres real distinctions. Eric garner Michael Brown lost their life committing a crime. The message this is pending when it is coming from high officials i just described the Police Office is dont go out and risk your life. Do what you have to do and get home safely to your family. What that is going to do is bring us back to the 1990s when we had no people putting radios in their car signs because we had 80,000 car thefts. We have to be honoring there are 18,000 Police Departments in the united states. Millions. Contacts every year with citizens. Hundreds of thousands of arrests. The number of deaths and injuries to people arrested and members of the public are minuscu minuscule. The truth is our police are not out of control the sad part about thit is there are many me and women not just in Law Enforcement and police but prosecutors are in cases of Police Corruption and brutality but to put a target on every one of their backs to almost bat each other on the backs you know how many likes there were when they said we athey are going toe one of us we are going to take two of them. There were people saying i am going to go kill cops. This is a mentality as you both said and i am going to go back to you, the whole idea of leadership in this country. Are you there . Yes. What are we missing . This is what i was on msnbc i got into a fight with a professor on this. It is right it is not systemic but it does exist. A Police Officer went to jail for 25 years. We are capable of dealing with Police Brutality and police problems. 92 percent of the problem are caused by blacks killing other blacks. They should be dealing with what are the route causes of that . It makes me feel terrible president obama can be a role model he is a good father. He could be a role model to the community if he could talk about the importance of good education Charter Schools and vouchers this is what is killing the community. The heros are ramos and lou. They put their lives at risk for the community. None of them are out there putting their lives at risk at 2 in the morning to save a single black. More after the break. Stay with us. {offline} hey what are you doing . I was thinking about taking this speed test from comcast business. Oh yeah . If they cant give us faster internet or save us money, theyll give us 150 bucks. Sounds like a win win. Guys faster internet . I have never been on the internet and i am doing pretty well. Does he even work here . Dont listen to the naysayer. Take the comcast business speed test. Get faster speeds or more savings, or well give you 150. Comcast business. Built for business. {offline} that was former mayor Rudy Giuliani and Police Commission never howard schafer. I am going to go to you. There is almost universal agreement the climate the environment foster this hatred of police say its a justified hatred. We got here, how do we get out of this . The first thing we have to do is recognize who represents the black community. Al sharpton does not represent the black community. The mayor and i went to dozens and buds ens of town Hall Meetings and Community Meetings and black communities and we didnt hear about al sharpton or protests. We heard more Police Officers Safer Communities and the same thing all families want in this country to be free from harm. Thats what we provided thats what the police provided. When politicians recognize that, we can deal with retraining Police Officers or giving them better training or talking about the escalation but the vast majority put on the uniforms with a target on their back every day know they put their lives on the line and they need the kind of presecurity p re professionals get and recognition politicians that they are really the line between us and kay yos. Rudy giuliani i will go back to the same question. You got experience. With Law Enforcement you cleaned up the city in a way no one thought it could be cleaned up. How do we get out of this mess . I am going to ask you to think about one more thing. If the police are worried about themselves and their own safety, that takes away from their ability of justifiably on their part to take care of us. No question about that. Human beings if they are crucified for what they do they will be careful. It tuz have an impact. We have to go broader than that. This is not a racial problem. This is a crime problem not a racial problem. There is no more a racial problem than the mafia with ethnic problem with the italians. When it was based honestly and squarely we do damage destroying it. What we lack is a kind of leader that we should have when i fist used the word mafia i was attacked for being anti italian. I am 100 percent italian and i am so proud of it i cant express it. I was attacked for being anti italian. A lot are in the state of denial. Theres a crime problem right now. It happens to be in big cities and African Americans to a large extent. Its not a racial problem its a crime problem. They should be dealing with better education and more responsibilities in the home they should be dealing with better opportunities for jobs and enticing more business here. With a reduction in crime in harlem i turned harlem around we had mayors talking about turning harlem around. Rudy, a lot of people do. We know that. The facts are the facts. Go ahead. You couldnt walk down 125th street. By the time they got back they didnt come to har mrem before. I care as much about the white people as black people. Theres no difference to me at all. Its about saving lives. Bernie and bill where we save lives. These people all they are talking about is prop begaaganp. To try to put the problem on the police its not going to solve it because police are not the problem. Police are the solution. There are these two Police Officers lou and ramos they lost thae lives to protect the black community. All right. From ferguson to staten island. My next guest saw this coming sheriff david clark joins us next and i thank Rudy Giuliani and Police Commissioner for spending so much time with us on justice. For the perfect shave at any angle. Go to philips. Com new to save up to 40. Innovation and you. Philips norelco. I have the worst cold with this runni better take something. Dayquill