ed: love the idea that both of you welcome me to the couch saying i'm a fill. in i'm just here temporarily. all of those things to set me up. brian: you fill in everywhere. ainsley: you were on how many shows yesterday? ed: 17. fox business, foxnews.com. i appreciate it. ainsley: good friday as we walk into easter weekend. brian: we will have the cardinal. cardinal dolan is going to be here. ed: he is the best in the business. ainsley: said the church is a business. brian: over the russia investigation rudy giuliani says. the president's critics don't know it one of many guests ken starr, dan bongino. brian: mark levin is going to be here. break down the 400 pages have you not seen before. now to a fox news alert. ed: no collusion no, obstruction after a 22-month investigation. the 448 page mueller report clears president trump and his team of colluding with russia. >> no collusion, no obstruction. it was a motion. it should never happen to another president again. >> the president was greeted with cheers and applause as he arrived at mar-a-lago for the easter weekend. >> this is far from case closed calls spark are you recall congressional testimony and maybe even impeachment. brian: griff is here to set the table for how the white house is reacting. griff: they feel vintsd indicated. when the president landed in mar-a-lago. this is a man whose presidency has been under fire since before taking office. [cheers] >> game over, folks. now it's time for back to work. griff: 22 million and 500 witnesses interviewed. while the investigation identified numerous links between individuals with ties to the russian government and individuals associated with the trump campaign, the evidence was not sufficient to support criminal charges. but, in volume 2, mueller does not entirely clear the president. drawing no conclusions on the obstruction of justice, raising 10 instances where the. not enough for recommending charges, he writes. based on the facts and the applicable legal standards we are unable to reach that judgment. accordingly while this report does not concludes that the president committed a crime it also does not exonerate him. democrats are jumping on that door left open. calling for more investigations and for mueller to appear on the hill. any way you cut this, guys, this is good news for the administration. that's not lost on white house counselor kellyanne conway. >> we're accepting apologies today too for anybody who wants to offer them. no collusion and no conspiracy with any russians. >> going to get a lot of reef caps on the mueller report today. really now is the question what will the democrats do? they have a tough choice. will they push for impeachment or are they ready to move on, guys? brian: all right. griff, thanks for wrapping that up. 400 plus pages. what the russians were up to in the big picture. nobody doubts the russians were going to be up to something regardless who got the nomination. 15 month period almost immediately from when donald trump went down the case later the russians went after him. quickly reached out to ivanka, would you like to come to a business meeting in st. petersburg. they will reached out to -- that was deputy prime minister reached out to her. alpha bank had this guy peter avin reach thought 2016 are a president trump won. president putin was really upset that he knew nobody in donald trump's circle of people. you better find some people that we can make contact with because i want to set up relationships with them and they basically went over to kushner. it's also important to point out that he went after kushner a couple of times through other circles, through connections. ed: good point happening in 2015, 2016. who was president? donald trump? no barack obama. it was happening under president obama's. where is the accountability for the obama administration? absolutely. ainsley: absolutely no collusion. the americans are ready to move on and focus on issues, immigration, healthcare. we are 18 months away from an election and america gets to decide when they go to the polls. but if the democrats continue to push this, i think it's going to make the american people very frustrated because those in the middle, those that have still trying to make up their minds, they don't know who -- we don't know if bind is going to get into the race. we will find out next week. it will hurt the democrats at the polls if they continue to push this narrative. ed: think about the monday moth university poll we had yesterday teeing this up before the report came out. 45% of the country wants the country to move on. jay sekulow says this convinced indicates the president and it is time to move on. watch. >> the point is this investigation started because of allegations about conspiracy or collusion as it was called regarding the trump campaign and russian government or russian agents. this report not only vindicates the president completely but the fact is that the president of the united states has went through a two and a half year investigation by the way actually went back from what we know it started in 2016. it was called crossfire hurricane. it's been going on for almost three years. and the parameter in which it was set to was determine russian interference with the election and was there any involvement with the president or the campaign and the answer was no, there was not. and that was basis upon which this entire investigation started. brian: other question of obstruction suspect in the air. looks like in the mueller report it is up to congress to pick it up. as trey gowdy brought up last night if people think this is over, it's actually going to get worse because what everyone is saying about the special counsel they didn't leak. all this information, there is not a lot new here. more specifics. buff all the stuff out gradually over the last two years. all coming back and being examined and whether they are tone deaf or not. i think it's also important to point out 14 criminal referrals, 865 redactions. and when it comes to object destruction, we get some details on don mcgahn and corey lewandowski in particular as long as reince priebus probably helped the president -- did something for the president that really saved his presidency. they didn't listen to him. he was ranting and raving and saying have you got to get rid of jeff sessions and get him to resign. he didn't, corey lewandowski didn't. when don -- they told don mcgahn go fire roberto mueller he didn't. he said i would rather quit that saved the president. what happens behind closed doors that usually stays behind closed doors but not in this white house. ainsley: the president sat behind his desk i'm doomed. i have been told any time there is a special counsel it goes on and on and on for years. he said this is the worst thing that's happened to me in my life. ed: don mcgahn white house counsel at the time the president calling him up the report says that weekend the president called mcgahn and directed him to have the special counsel removed becausasserted conflicts of evidence. mcgahn did not carry out as being seen another saturday night massacre and instead prepared to resign himself. ultimately he did not quit and did he not carry through with having the special counsel removed. special points. in the end embarrassing details for the president how it all carried out. he didn't act on it and mcgahn didn't act on it there was no removal of robert mueller. so no obstruction there. look, you are right. now this is in the hands of congress. a big development overnight leading democrat, steny hoyer said i don't see any reason to move on with impeachment. ainsley: look at how some of these democrats are reacting. some are interested in impeachment. if you flipped around to different channels yesterday they were running with what you were talking about, brian, obstruction and it could be up to congress because there wasn't sufficient evidence to prove obstruction. watch how the media handled it. >> this is an investigation at its core about donald trump's daily, sometimes hourly assault on the rule of law in this country. >> can i just talk about this issue of the president's concerns about leaks? you know who else was concerned about leaks? richard nixon. >> the amount of information that leads to collusion and obstruction is really quite extensive in this report. brian: john breb tha brennan trg to redeem himself. scrutiny is going to come on himself as the investigation of the investigators comes forward. as i mentioned donald trump had nothing to do with this. is he going down the escalator. the russians making overtures to him. as robert mueller concluded there was no collusion with the overture to the trump campaign which became the trump presidency. ainsley: look at how some of those democrats are saying now after they read the full report. jerry nadler the house judiciary committee chairman he is going to be able to see a less redacted report. and the gang of 8 will see a less redacted report. he says this outlines disturbing evidence that the president engaged in misconduct and possibly obstructed justice. listen to what he is saying about impeachment. >> are you saying this congress is responsible for holding the president accountable. are you saying impeachment? >> that's a possibility. there are others. we obviously have to get to the bottom of what happened and take whatever action seems necessary at that time. ed: you have the judiciary chairman saying impeachment. number two in the house leadership he said it's not worthwhile. based on what we have seen to date going forward on impeachment is not worthwhile. very frankly there is an election in 18 months and the american people will make a judgment. you also have to ask the question how do you build an obstruction case against the president when he turned over about 1 million pages of documents? he allowed every single white house aide and advisor to go forward and talk to the special counsel. that's how they collected this information about potential obstruction and never invoked executive privilege. he could have done that. brian: right. let's bring in our panel robert wray water water independent counsel and independent council. sara carter here quick turn around fox news contributor and outstanding reporter. ian prior former public director of public affairs former communication director for american crossroads. let's starts with you, sarah, was there anything in this that really surprised you after we get the play o. by-play of what happened over the last two and a half years? >> there was multiple things, brian. one thing that's really important and something that you actually brought up was the fact that the russians were continuously trying to reach out and make contact with the trump campaign. the obama administration knew. this they never gave the trump campaign a detailed defensive briefing warning of them. they did it with senator feinstein. they have done it with others. i'm certain that inspector general michael horowitz is going to look at that in his report as to whether or not hillary clinton ever received a defensive briefing. that's going to be very interesting. because that's going to show the imbalance between the two. how they treated the trump campaign and how they treated mostl hillary clinton. that's what stood out to me. the continuous contacts and failure we know now in testimony provided by loretta lynch and everyone else that they were not given a detailed defensive briefing to be warned about the russians and their attempt to reach out to them. ed: robert wray, what do you think about the idea that it sounds like collusion and the door is shut there. as brian pointed out on obstruction there is a whole bunch of new information potentially in this report, maybe democrats in the house pick it up there. but why didn't robert mueller, you have been in a position before as an independent counsel, why didn't he make a call on that? why did he leave this open to congress? >> i think think what the attorney general said before the release of the report is important to remember and that is by bob mueller's own acknowledgment proceeding with an obstruction charge against the president presents some substantial and significant hurdles in connection with both the evidence and the law and i might add also policy considerations that ultimately i think the attorney general in consultation with the office of the department's office of legal counsel and the deputy attorney general found to be dispositive. so it was -- you know, essentially by default then, the attorney general's call to decide how to resolve the matter concerning obstruction involving the president. ainsley: ian, what do you think about that? it was irresponsible for the mueller team? a team attorneys for them to not make a conclusion about obstruction? >> no. i really don't think so. keep in mind this report was not supposed to be public. people talk about how it was supposed to go to congress. it wasn't it was supposed to go to the attorney general. in the report itself. the mueller team said look, when we are looking at corrupt intint. we determine was the intent to do an obstructive snacket it was about personal reasons or about as robert wray said policy reasons? because if it's about policy reasons. if it's about being able to execute your job as president, then it's not a corrupt act. that's where bill barr came in and said, look, i looked at the evidences at mueller team presented it and it's clear to me that the reason why the president was doing the things that he was doing was so that he could be president, so this cloud would be lifted and he would be able to do the functions of the job of president of the united states. brian: sarah, if you take a step back and it's hard to because we are are in the middle of the play-by-play and you do it every single day. think about the perfect storm the russians walked into. hillary clinton set up a private server and stupidly bleechs it out creating a mystery making people wonder what's she hiding, 30,000 emails are out in the ether somewhere. turns out a fishing expedition goes into podesta's email and works and exposes all these other things. the russians are already trying to get ahold of trump now say i have information. additional information on 30,000 emails that could intrigue you. and this rookie organization, known more for international business for their politics is somewhat open to it and when the trump tower meeting takes place, the overture after overture one meeting takes place and nothing happens. but then you have the ah-ha moment for the investigators over the next 22 months. >> i couldn't have said it better myself, brian. look, the rufingses have been doing this since the dawn of the ussr. this is spygate, right? this is what they do. it's very common for the russians, for the chinese, for other actors, nation states to try to penetrate our security apparatus to try to get into our political communications and understand what's going on here. the russians were extremely frustrated. i can attest to that myself with sources that i spoke with. even during the 2016 campaign, i would hear from sources that vladimir putin was constantly trying to figure trump out. he couldn't figure him out. brian: i will give you specifically what it says. vladimir putin worried he knew too little about the trump team after the trump team won. >> absolutely. i reported on that. i reported on that way back when, so they were definitely targeting the trump campaign because they wanted to understand them. they also wanted to see what kind of havoc they could reap. this is a common practice. this is a disinformation campaign, a campaign against the united states and the russians, the russians really the only winners here. becausbecause they were eating each other alive and this played right into their hands. ed: robert, how much do you think when you read the report, went into mueller wants decision to say i'm not officially exonerating the president on obstruction. how familiar of that was about the evidence and justice department guidelines that you can't indict a sitting president? >> i think the stated reason that the attorney general provided is still right. i know there has been a lot of commentary from the left and other networks with about the fact that the only reason that special counsel mueller proceeded in the way he did was because he knew that under department policy he couldn't charge a sitting president. i do still believe and the report reflects this and has now been completely overlooked and overwhelmed by everything else, still reflects the fact that it was still a very difficult question to figure out how the obstruction statutes apply to a sitting president's conduct. and that because it presents such significant issues of fact, law, and policy, that is a difficult matter to resolve. that remains true. it was true when the attorney general received the report. and it is why the attorney general decided that he had to resolve the matter once and for all and he now has. ainsley: ian, we want to give you the last word, quick answer he is, please. what happens if the democrats do try to impeach the president. >> it's going to go badly for them. steny hoyer is majority leader. you don't get to be political leader by being stupid. alexandria ocasio-cortez may want to impeach the president, but hoyer has a responsibility to his members in tough districts to win elections. and voters in those swing districts don't care right now about this. they care about other things. and if democrats want to focus on impeachment and stay away from the issues that people actually care about, they're going to lose the house very shortly after they got it back. ed: ian, sarah, robert, we appreciate you coming in early. thank you. ainsley: big announcement about joe biden's presidential run. brian: but, first, our next guest is named in the mueller report. spent time behind bars and the media says he is proof there was collusion. >> in many ways that office investigation. >> this is not collusion when george papadopoulos in contact with various people who are promising dirt on hillary clinton? 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otezla. show more of you. we were paying an arm and a leg for postage. i remember setting up shipstation. one or two clicks and everything was up and running. i was printing out labels and saving money. shipstation saves us so much time. it makes it really easy and seamless. pick an order, print everything you need, slap the label onto the box, and it's ready to go. our costs for shipping were cut in half. just like that. shipstation. the #1 choice of online sellers. go to shipstation.com/try and get 2 months free. jillian: good morning. we're back with a fox news alert. joe biden is running for president. the atlantic reporting the former vice president has made his 2020 decision and will announce it next week in an official video. this will be his third time entering a presidential race. so stay tuned for that more trouble for the woman at the center of the jussie smollett case. embattled cook county states attorney kim foxx. two top executives in her office, including the chief ethics officer resigning. foxx used april perry's name while defending her decision to recuse herself in the smollett case. >> most people haven't talked about it. did i that under the advisement of our first ever chief ethics officer. we never had an ethics officer in cook county. what i wanted to make sure when i started my term was that any decision that i made, even the appearance of impropriety would be vetted by someone other than myself. jillian: the director of the office's conviction integrity unit also resigned. a look at your headlines. i'm sure more to come of that ed. ed: next guest served time. latched on him-to-him as they called it evidence of collusion. >> many ways he set off the investigation and the fact that he went on and lied to investigators about his contact with the professor. >> papadopoulos received that relatively light sentence from the judge. >> spent 14 days. he could have gotten up to six months. >> how is it not collusion when george papadopoulos is in contact with various people who were promising dirt on hillary clinton. >> i want to be clear like this entire investigation got started because papadopoulos runs his mouth. brian: really? how does george papadopoulos feel now that the report is out and probe found no evidence of collusion and mentions him prominently actually the whole igniter. george papadopoulos is the author of the book that goes into detail about this from his perspective. deep state target how he got caught in the crosshairs in the plot to bring down president trump. george, do you think you were treated fairly by the mueller report? >> look, you know, thanks a lot for having me. look, i was actually really impressed and quite frankly shocked that bob mueller told the truth about why i was illicitly targeted and it really had nothing to do with russia. it had to do with my ties to israel. he makes it very clear in the memo. now, this is why this is really important. because if i was targeted for my ties to israel, and i had all these various spies approaching me while i was just campaign and they were discussing israel with me. i think that's very disturbing and probably is going to reveal quite frankly how this entire investigation started. because i likely had this target on me immediately upon joining the campaign. so, that's the first thing and, secondly, this artificial date of how the investigation started on july 31st, i think that's been completely debunked now. and a lot of these conspiracy. brian: what do you mean? >> what was that? brian: what do you mean? >> i'm saying that the whole story was alex downer and i had been discussing this off-the-cuff statement about hacked emails or something along that line at a bar in london. with the new evidence we have that i was targeted, and i was under surveillance upon joining the trump campaign for my ties to israel, it suggests to me that downer was clearly also spying on me and, you know, according to my own testimony to congress, this is something that you know, a lot of people should look into. i think people like mark meadows and others think that there are transcripts of this meeting. i think it's going to really upend this old narrative. ed: we don't know whether downer was spying on you. you are obviously weighing that question. the president wants to investigate the investigators. we will presumably get to the bottom of that i want to directly ask you. we played that clip. what's your message this morning jim acosta and other journalists who alleged that your case proved that there was collusion with russia when now the special counsel is saying after 22 months is there was no collusion. what's your message to across and it others? >> , there was no collusion and of course i wasn't colluding because i have never met a russian official my entire life. let alone on the campaign or the transition team. quiets comically the guy at the epicenter of this fake collusion story joseph mifsud was outed yesterday by the italians living next to the u.s. embassy for a year. brian: they say he was the russian contact. >> well, i don't know how thee russian contacts bike joseph mifsud are training cia and fbi and six figures in rome like this guy current solid doing. i think this guy is going to start talking and possibly there has already been a deal made between the italians and our country to have him testify and actually reveal what he was really up to. quite frankly, i don't think anybody is buying that this guy was some russian intermediary and spy trying to collude with me. quite frankly even people like rudy giuliani were r. going public and suggesting he was some sort of setup. that's why my case is so fascinating and moving forward. like i stated because there was targeting of me for my ties to israel which attracted all of these spies and two who was running these guys and where did it come from? was it the obama administration? was it the head of the u.k. government? ed: there is a lot more ahead in the days come. we appreciate you coming in. >> thank you. brian: mueller report find nothing collusion. now the left moved the goal post. >> obstruction of justice. >> obstruction of justice. >> if this isn't obstruction of justice, i would like to see what is obstruction of justice. brian: former independent counsel ken starr is about to put a bunch of hole in that argument. it's gentle on her skin, and dermatologist recommended. tide free and gentle. safe for skin with psoriasis, and eczema. ♪ here i go again on my own ♪ goin' down the only road i've ever known ♪ ♪ like a drifter i was-- ♪ born to walk alone! keep goin' man! you got it! if you ride, you get it. ♪ here i go again geico motorcycle. 15 minutes could save you 15% or more. but when i started seeing things, i didn't know what was happening... so i kept it in. he started believing things that weren't true. i knew something was wrong... but i didn't say a word. during the course of their disease around 50% of people with parkinson's may experience hallucinations or delusions. but now, doctors are prescribing nuplazid. the only fda approved medicine... proven to significantly reduce hallucinations and delusions related to parkinson's. don't take nuplazid if you are allergic to its ingredients. nuplazid can increase the risk of death in elderly people with dementia-related psychosis and is not for treating symptoms unrelated to parkinson's disease. nuplazid can cause changes in heart rhythm and should not be taken if you have certain abnormal heart rhythms or take other drugs that are known to cause changes in heart rhythm. tell your doctor about any changes in medicines you're taking. the most common side effects are swelling of the arms and legs and confusion. we spoke up and it made all the difference. ask your parkinson's specialist about nuplazid. >> the russian operatives who perpetrated these schemes did not have the cooperation of president trump or the trump campaign. >> the big lie that you let fly for two years is over, folks. we are accepting apologies today, too. for anybody who feels the grace in offering them. >> attorney general did a great disservice to the country by misrepresenting significant parts of the mueller report. >> i have formally requested that the special counsel mueller testify before the house judiciary committee as soon as possible. >> i'm having a good day, too. it is called no collusion, no obstruction. ainsley: that was president with the wounded warriors. let's bring in special counsel and independent counsel. good morning, mr. starr. >> good morning. ainsley: we heard russia russia russia. and then we heard no collusion. and now we are hearing obstruction, obstruction, obstruction. the left is shifting the narrative yet again. are you surprised? >> well, i'm not. disappointed but here's the bottom line. not only was there no obstruction there was cooperation. did the president want to cooperate? no. did he like bob mueller in the whole thing? he hated it. well, guess what? bill clinton hated me and hated the investigation. ulysses s. grant fired the special counsel. harry truman fired the special counsel. famously richard nixon fired the special counsel and the special prosecutor. there is a difference between having thoughts and this is another dimension that really did surprise me how open and frank the conversations are with the president of the united states that then become disclose dollars and are now in the public domain. we used to call that executive privilege. talk about cooperation; cooperation in all caps. not a single as far as we know invocation of executive privilege. these were such private confidential conversations that are now, obviously, embarrassing to the president and being seized upon for political purposes. but, there was no obstruction here. the 10 on stuckive acts don't add to be an obstruction of justice in the criminal sense. brian: mcgahn and trump turned to june 17th, 2017 conversation when he went in front of the special counsel. over 30-plus hours. he wanted to oust mueller according to special counsel report. mcgahn responded to the president's request calling his personal lawyer and chief of staff packing his belongings and preparing a letter of resignation. he did not want to be part of the firing of robert mueller. reince priebus also add. to say they didn't fire robert mueller. mcgahn didn't quit at the time. he didn't resign. the president didn't follow up. when it came to firing jeff sessions, telling jeff sessions to resign. corey lewandowski never asked him to. it happened but it was not executed. >> exactly. the law cares about what is done, not what is thought and what is said. and so the president's instincts were very aggressive. he knows how to fire people and he fires people. but, guess what? he may have come to the brink but he didn't walk across that as it were red line. he showed wisdom at the end. i wish the president didn't foment so much. he is sometimes his worst enemy. fomenting is not a crime and lashing out is not a crime. totally understandable. let's put ourselves in his situation. we might have said some naughty words as well. ed: talking about the phone conversation. the president went to mcgahn and said i never told to you fire mueller. isn't that -- you said there is no -- isn't that a little bit like coach ago witness there? >> who knows. but, that's a fair point. you shouldn't be coaching a witness. that's exactly what bill clinton did with betty curry long ago. put that can be part of obstruction of justice. have you got to take the whole badge. we counter that with what we have been trying to emphasize. the full cooperation. what i believe unprecedented cooperation with an investigation of the president of the united states. ed: about a million of pages of documents turned over by this white house as you suggest cooperation there judge ken starr, appreciate you coming in. ainsley: thank you. >> my pleasure. brian: we will see a lot of ken starr today all over the channel as we see jillian this morning. jillian: following a number of stories. hard to believe we are not just talking about the big news of the day we want to get you caught up on this story out of california. look at this video. a pilot is killed when a small plane crashes and bursts into flames. you can see the giant flames and thick black smoke at small airport in southern california. officials say the jet barely got off the runway and suddenly veering left and nose diving into the ground. the pilot was the only personal on board. how about this? facebook ceo mark zuckerberg could have to pay for his company's multiple privacy scandals. federal regulators are looking into holding him personally accountable. sources won't indicate what measures are specifically under consideration. stop what you are doing and watch this video. a ladder seemingly comes out of nowhere, look at that and smashes into a car's windshield. nightmare there. capturing the moment of impact on a las vegas highway. a van ran it over. no one was seriously hurt. a look at your headlines, back to you. scary, right? ainsley: i drive so differently now that i'm a mom because i worry about things like that if i'm behind a car that has ladders attached to it. jillian: real fear. brian: i only drive in big stretch limousines. [buzzer]. brian: drink hard liquor in the back. ed: not while driving. brian: no. that's why i have a limo. ainsley: partition up or down? brian: depends on the mood i'm in. ed: best selling books janice dean. janice: i like where you are going there, ed. hi, ed, instantly and friday. happy friday. where are you from? >> chris. janice: what are you doing here? >> here for easter. janice: show you an area we are concerned with in terms of severe storms. many reports of tornadoes over the last several days. this storm is on the move. moving across the east coast. we have a tornado watch my friends for parts of florida alabama and jerry and earlier report of a tornado across north of the atlanta area. and here is the severe threat today from florida up towards the mid-atlantic even the northeast we're going to have some flight delays. keep that in mind. once the system moves offshore things will be much improved as we get into easter sunday. come over here. wave to your wife who is sleeping. >> hi, jean. janice: ainsley and brian back to you. ainsley: good friday. thank you so much, janice. the mueller investigation is over. now some democrats admit there is a crisis on our border. >> have a problem with the southern border. democrats should not deny that we don't. nations should have borders. borders should be respected. ed: i thought it was a manufactured problem. apparently not. are they finally going to help solve the problem? 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let's ask former acting ice director and fox news contributor tim homan. kyrsten sinema say bear the brunt of our broken immigration system. we must secure the border with a smart bipartisan approach. this is what we need. we need people to act in the best interest of the country not their party. do you have hope? >> >> no. i mean, i don't think they are going to do a thing. going to continue the investigation in the president and his family been over two years. the people that matter the democratic leadership whether it's nancy pelosi and chuck schumer, they aren't saying anything. they haven't offered one idea. they haven't offered up one glimmer of hope to even admit there is a crisis on the border. during the response to the state of the union, nancy pelosi and chuck schumer said three times this is a manufactured crisis. they haven't done anything. the speaker of the house hasn't taken any action whatsoever. ainsley: it's actually getting worse. we have an image of what officers down on the border are saying drone. a smuggler's drone. now they are using these drones to survey, to look at our border to see where the best entry point is so they can get through and they don't have to worry about getting arrested. >> which reiterates my point i have been saying for months these are not just family units and children coming across the border. they are tying up border patrol assets cartels pushing groups of border patrol assets so they can move drugs and criminals through other parts of the border. that's what drones are use being ewinged for. it's others we need to be concerned about. brian: what changes now that mcaleenan is in charge? >> i think they need to do. i have known kevin for a long time. is he a friend of mine. i think what they need to do since congress isn't going it fix this legislatively and courts isn't going to fix this. keep suing the trump administration. we need to do what we can operationally to secure the border. they are doing nationwide operation. look for the single adults and family units have their day in court at great taxpayer expense been ordered we moved by a federal judge. we need to find them. we need to detain them and remove them. did i that four years ago. and had almost an immediate effect on the border numbers coming across. went down significantly. brian: instead we spent $30 million on a tent city. >> we need to closer to the border. recent decision by the attorney general to not to give them a chance at bond. look, if they are really escaping fear and persian cushion like they are claiming of course nine out of 10 lose their case. that's not the case. if they really are escaping fear and persecution they shouldn't have a problem waiting to see a judge that's what this want. ainsley: six and a half months of this year alone, this fiscal year we have already hit more than the total last fiscal year. just unbelievable. thanks so much, tom. >> thank you, appreciate it. ainsley: you are welcome. the media is melting down over the mueller report. >> i find barr's behavior to be absolutely unconscionable. it's inappropriate. he is defending the president. >> we see a redaction. >> am i nuts, or is this really what we are seeing? brian: shouldn't would he be happy there is no collusion. diamond and silk they collude together all the time. they are coming up next. ♪ let's give them something to talk about ♪ let's give them something to talk about ♪ and help keep you active and well-rested. because hey, tomorrow's coming up fast. nature's bounty. because you're better off healthy. nature's bounty. when a nasty cold won't let you sleep, try nyquil severe with vicks vapocool whoa! and vaporize it. ahhhhh! shhhhh! nyquil severe with vicks vapocool. the vaporizing nighttime, coughing, aching, stuffy head, best sleep with a cold, medicine. it's a revolution in sleep. the sleep number 360 smart bed, from $999... senses your movement and automatically adjusts on each side to keep you both comfortable. and snoring? how smart is that? smarter sleep. so you can come out swinging, maintain your inner focus, and wake up rested and ready for anything. sleep number is ranked #1 in customer satisfaction with mattresses by j. d. power. save $400 on select sleep number 360 smart beds. only for a limited time. >> i find barr's theory to be unconscionable. inappropriate. is he defending the president. >> then we see a redaction. now, i don't know how to have x-ray vision. i don't see through black ink. >> obviously attorney general barr as political operatives do, put a spin on this that was favorable to the president. ainsley: some in the media melting down after the release of the mueller report. ed: here to react fox nation personalities diamond and silk. good morning, ladies. >> good morning. >> good morning. >> ed: what do you think is the media a couple years after pushing this narrative, how are they feeling now? >> first of all, they probably are upset because they got caught up in their lies. >> that's right. >> trying to use other lies to cover up their original lies. >> that's right. >> they lost all credibility. they deceived and mislead the public for over two years all because hillary clinton lost and they are trying to blame russian collusion is the reason hillary clinton lost. she lost because she had no substance. she lost because she was a bad candidate. her running around with hot sauce was not going to do it. you have to understand also that the media is trying to divert attention away from what really happened. >> um-huh. >> the government officials pa participated in, that masterminded and orchestrated all of this here clution mess they need to be brought to justice. >> that's right. >> it's time to investigate the investigator. they don't want the issues to get out. and that's why they are trying to divert our attention away and trying to push this obstruction of justice mess when there was no obstruction of justice. >> that's right. i only have one word for the left wing media or two, suck it up, butter cup. that's four. [laughter] brian: right. ainsley: william barr was shutting down the media saying he was protecting trump and trying to spin the report. watch this. >> what do you say to people on both sides of the aisle who are concerned that you are trying to protect the president? >> statements about his sincere beliefs are recognized in the report. >> free to come out and spinning the report? >> thank you very much. >> he is pretty direct. he doesn't take a lot of guff. >> i like him because is he direct. he is fair. okay. >> yes. >> he follows the law. >> the law. >> that's what he is doing following the law. >> that's right. >> he is not giving any special treatment to president trump. >> that's right. >> he is following the law, which he should be doing. >> that's right. >> we like him. >> we love him. brian: see may 1st and may 2nd on capitol hill and democrats want to take a shot at him. good luck. he tends to win in arguments. appreciate it, ladies. we will watch you on fox nation. happy easter. ainsley: happy easter, ladies. >> thank you. >> thank you. ed: reaction from dan bongino, rudy giuliani and the great one mark levin. we are going to need more guests ♪ whose going to save the world tonight ♪ whose going to bring it back to life ♪ dayquil severe with vicks vapocool. the daytime, coughing, stuffy head, vaporize your cold, medicine. so i think we're going with a family van.oods] a family van? was that her choice? naaah man, that was my choice. this thing's got reclining seats, dvd player, it's got a built-in vacuum cleaner. you ever seen my kid eat crackers? yeah... so you see how that works? mm-hmm. sometimes you gotta go straight for the source. car loans fast from navy federal credit union... our members are the mission. the matters.ar... introducing the all-new 2019 ford ranger, it's the right gear. with a terrain management system for... this. a bash plate for... that. an electronic locking rear differential for... yeah... this. heading to the supermarket? get any truck. heading out here? get the ford ranger. the only adventure gear built ford tough. billions of problems. morning breath? garlic breath? stinky breath? there's a therabreath for you. therabreath fresh breath oral rinse instantly fights all types of bad breath and works for 24 hours. so you can... breathe easy. there's therabreath at walmart. ♪ na na na na na ♪ yeah, this is my town ♪ na na na na na ♪ yeah, this is my town ♪ ainsley: music, the entire show, ed. ed: i love that long. ainsley: are you taking over new york now? is this your town? ed: i started here. i gray up here. long island. so awesome to be with you both. ainsley: we love having you here. brian: you say that on every show you are on. brian: i fill in for martha. i love it. ainsley: we watched you all day yesterday. hope you got good sleep. monday thursday. today is good friday and easter is on sunday. lots of egg rolls and egg hunts at our house and then the big easter egg roll is on monday we will be heading to the white house on the show. brian: look on this show look who we have lined up, dan bongino continues to digest 460 plus pages. his conclusions will be fascinating. mark levin for him to get up early you know it has to be important. timothy cardinal talk about not only the tragedy at cathedral but -- ed: rudy giuliani, the president's personal attorney he will be with us here live and other things he said in the last 24 hours this russia investigation is over the president's critics simply don't know it yet. ainsley: straight to a fox news alert. no collusion, no obstruction. the president taking a victory lap after the release of the mueller report. voters down in florida cheering the president on as he looks to spend the holiday week down south of mar-a-lago. ed: some ways far from over. the mueller report is sparking a new demand from democrats for even more investigations. they are saying maybe even impeachment. brian: that will be great that will bring us all together. ed: a panel here to break it all down. brian: first, griff jenkins in washington with how the white house is reacting in florida. >> they are waiting for apologies although i don't think they are coming from the democrats. look, the presidency was under fire from the beginning. there was vindication in this report. >> i'm having a good day, too. it was called no collusion, no obstruction. [cheers and applause] it should never happen to another president again. this hoax. griff: 22 months, $22 million. 500 witnesses. 448 pages confirming the president's claim there was no collusion. go to the summary of have 1. while the investigation identified numerous links between. individuals with the trump campaign. the evidence was not sufficient to support criminal charges. however volume 2 offered less opportunity for victory. mueller draw nothing collusion on the question of obstruction of justice raising 10 instances where the president's actions are questioned. mueller ultimately finding it was not enough for recommending charges. he writes, quote based on the facts and applicable legal standards we are unable to reach that judgment. accordingly, this report does not conclude that the president committed a crime, it also does not exonerate him. the democrats are jumping on obstruction. calling for more investigations, mueller testifying. ultimately the question is going to be are they going to go so far as to suggest impeachment. guys? ed: steny hoyer saying the number two democrat in the house no based on this report, let's move on, let's move on to issues, economy, immigration, infrastructure a bunch of other stuff. jerry nadler and other democrats are going to have a say. >> aoc is interested in impeachment as well. brian: they want to damage the president very least. they one single republican jumped the aisle. like senator jeff flake if he ever gets to the senate. what he is going to try do is make the president unelectable. going to find every player in the 400-plus pages maybe brought up incidents where we want to learn more about obstruction or collusion. and they are going to bring them front and center. that's going to be headlines for that day. going to bring out william barr and try to say you are sitting there being a personal attorney of the president. ainsley: independents? how will they react to that? first you said it was a manufactured crisis. now you are changing your mind. you said there was collusion. now that hasn't been proven. brian: i understand. i think we are burned out on the whole investigation because it's so detailed. i don't think it leaves many questions. but i don't think it gives many answers for his critics or actually has converted any of his supporters to becoming critics. ed: we want to bring you fresh perspective this morning great details. mollie hemingway senior editor of the federalist. fox news contributor. -- good morning, all. >> good morning. ed: i think back the reagan administration cabinet secretary said where do i go to get my reputation back? >> it's very important to remember that this take away of no russia collusion is very important because for the last two years and really the last three years we had this president and this administration undermined by this false narrative and it really did hurt the administration of the government. it made foreign policy more difficult. it made our department of justice completely unaccountable. and this is not -- this is not just something to move past. we were told for many years and perpetrated by many people in the media that our president was a traitor who had colluded with russia to steal the 2016 election. this report shows conclusively that there is no evidence not only that donald trump was not a traitor who include colluded with russia not a single american was indicted for colluding with russia. a lot of people are trying to move past that. a lot of people are not going to forget we were told otherwise by people who claimed they had the goods on this pepper for a long time. ainsley: solesal. shouldn't everyone see this as a victory? >> they should certainly see that portion of the report as a vic trirks while i don't believe that the president criminally obstructed justice, there are many, many embarrassing facts in the obstruction of justice section concerning what the president did and the people who corroborate those facts are friends and allies of the president, chris christie. corey lewandowski, don mcgahn. ainsley: what are you talking about? give us an example? most of the folks at home haven't read the 400 pages sitting here on our desk? >> the most damaging section in terms of the facts in the obstruction portion has to do with don mcgahn. the president repeatedly asked don mcgahn to get rid of bob mueller or have others get rid of bob mueller. >> when this came out in the press much later, during the period where the president knew there was obstruction investigation going on, he then tried to have mcgahn make a statement that the president had never asked him to fire mueller. and that's a problem and the evidence is very strong on that. again, not saying that that constitutes criminal obstruction of justice. but if i were a democrat in congress, yes, mcgahn would be witness number one. brian: right. but it's all down there and you can make your own call. francey, you say you were shocked there isn't more curiosity about how this whole thing began. george papadopoulos, his story still doesn't make sense especially as it was chronicled in the report. >> brian, you are absolutely right. to me, the biggest scandal here is the public corruption angle. how did this entire investigation get started and did the u.s. government actually run an asset at george papadopoulos to plant information that was then later used as the basis of the entire investigation to argue that carter page is a russian asset. that the campaign is colluding? the thing that the report should have concluded and didn't is that no one was colluding with russia, no one was conspiring with russia and, therefore, public corruption must be examined. ainsley: mollie, people want accountability here they want to find out as you are saying how this all got started why we were sent down this long two-year road and how -- i mean, it goes back to the dnc. it goes back to does yea that was unverified. how did we get to this point? >> right. so we have this report it shows that there was no collusion and some people want to move on and say well this shows that donald trump obstructed because he complained. he said that there was no collusion and he tweeted about this and he tried to stop this ridiculous investigation. and that's one way to look at it the other way is to say wait, how in the world did this crazy conspiracy theory get accepted by our law enforcement and intelligence agency? ed: i want to play this clip because we put together what adam schiff and others in the media said about this and i want you to react. watch. >> this is evidence of willingness to commit collusion. >> cloud about collusion with russia will hang over him. >> yes there is ample evidenced of collusion in plain sight. >> there is a bunch of evidence of collusion. >> the president of the united states and those around him during an election campaign included. >> there was ample evidence of collusion. >> cliewtion from collusion. >> collusion. >> the court issue in mueller's investigation. at core issue is collusion. >> that you can about the media's reputation adam schiff said there secretary of defense of collusion. proven wrong by mueller. is he not just the pundit. is he a chairman the house intelligence committee. >> yeah. i look at a clip like that and collusion seems to be between the media and democrats. there is very little difference in their talking points on this. they promised us that there was collusion. and there is none. and now they want to change this into well we should continue to investigate for obstruction. we should continue to investigate. what what we should investigate is how they were able to get away with saying this for so many years without evidence and how it was that our own law enforcement and intelligence agencies were taken over by this. you know, there were civil rights violations. people were surveilled for years. not appropriate to go after political opponents using the tools of the state. we need to figure out how did this begin? how did democratic opposition research get taken in and taken seriously by people who should know better? i hope we get some answers on that. also about the criminal leaks that they engaged in to perpetuate this false narrative. brian: sal, the other thing i want to bring up is the president. the president did not do an interview but he did answer questions. and it looks as though the mueller report was not happy with his answers. i don't recall a lot and went on to answer the best he could recall. do you think they were adequate? >> well, the proof is in the pudding. i mean, he didn't go in for an interview and i think he was very wise not to, given how the mueller -- how many people the mueller folks indicted for not telling them the truth. we have talked for months about the process crimes. process crimes are serious but the fact is he was faced with people that did not like him and who had indicted people for what looked like relatively minor falsehoods. and so i think it was a very sound strategic decision for him not to go in and keep in mind, other people have pointed this out. the white house provided reams and reams of contemporaneous notes. i think that you get a better idea of somebody's intent by looking at their lawyer's notes or counsel's notes of what they said in realtime rather than asking them about it months later. so i don't really think that's a big issue. ainsley: francey, what is your reasonable medical certainty to the democrats now? how do they handle this going forward? do they focus on this or other issues? 18 months away from the election? >> what they ought to focus on are the problems in this country. what she should also focus on is how this got started. mollie is right. you are talking about an issue of public corruption. the democrats now want to move on from the beginning of the investigation but i don't think you can move on when we don't have answers about what prosecutors, what agents, who signed these warrants, why did the judge believe them? why did the fbi apparently represent to the fisa court that the trump campaign was conspiring with russia when it was completely baseless? this is a shocking falsehood to the court that has got to be addressed. and i hope the democrats will agree with republicans that that should be investigated. brian: we will see because we know the inspector general's report is coming out whether you want it or not in may. thank you, we appreciate it. ed: 2020 democrats jumping all. in interesting about how we have been talking about moving goal posts and democrats were all collusion for two years. now it has shifted to obstruction. also shifting to let's pile on bill barr that he is part of a coverup somehow. the president's attorney. he is spinning. this take a listen to how beto o'rourke and mayor pete in indiana are spinning this. watch. >> if you did not have collusion, there may have well been cooperation or there was certainly the trump campaign benefiting from and calling for the release of information by wikileaks and by extension the russian government. >> it confirmed a lot of things that we were worried about. that we have a president who acts in a self-serving way that there was a lot of behavior that was, at best, unethical and legally problematic to future charitiably. the best thing we can do is defeat it decisively at the ballot box in 2020. [cheers and applause] ed: beto o'rourke going from no collusion maybe cooperation. is there criminal code that says you can't cooperate with people? is that the new crime? brian: i'm not sure. it wasn't on twitter. doing speeches. they also know this, there is not much interest on the campaign trail about the mueller investigation. and there just isn't. there is in washington but they know it the candidates incontinuingively say when i open up the forum and ask questions they don't talk about russia. ainsley: we have to move on. some months before the election this will be something of the past. they need to focus on the issues. >> most people are saying if you read the atlantic. the atlantic is saying vice president joe biden will announce that he is running for president. is he going to make an announcement next wednesday. they are saying the announcement is going to be yes i'm in. ed: really interesting. look at this latest poll from fox about interest in the 2020 election. are you interested? extremely 52% way out months and months away. 26% very. 20% not. ainsley: election day level. you add it up 78% of the public according to new fox poll either extremely or very interested in the election. more than a year out. ainsley: then they asked who would be satisfied with blank person. they asked the democrat primary voters who they would be satisfied with. the majority of them are satisfied with joe biden. 78%. 75% went to bernie. they are neck and neck. kamala harris is next 61 tied with elizabeth warren. and beto o'rourke, then cory booker and pete buttigieg at 43%. ed: interesting how bernie sanders neck in neck. brian: couldn't be more different 78-year-old socialist without any real accomplishments in his life would be near the top of the polls in something so consequential as the 2020 election. meanwhile, donald trump wants four more years and republicans are asked about him and how satisfied they are with him. 64% say very. 24% say somewhat. dissatisfied just 5%. very dissatisfied just 6%. ed: we have karl rove on next hour. he has an interesting idea of democrats flirting with bernie as a socialist leading the pack there for them. don't miss karl next hour. rudy giuliani, all kinds of -- newt gingrich weighing in on the mueller report. big show still ahead. brian: i wonder if the democrats are done with all the candidates. we know terry mcauliff said i am not in. are they done with the nomination process? swalwell is in. ed: people are waiting or swalwell. brian: he called on william barr to resign. ed: swalwell doubling down throwing shots when he has been out there for two years saying there was collusion. wouldn't he be embarrassed about that? no. let's go after bill barr now. interesting strategy. brian: do you know what else is interesting? jillian. jillian: happy good friday to you, too. jillian: we are following severe weather around the country for weeks. we start with this fox news alert. at least three people are dead after multiple tornadoes tear through the south. more than 100,000 people are without power across mississippi, alabama, louisiana, and texas. entire streets and yards completely swamped by flooding here in mississippi. the storm so strong in that state some people took shelter in a gas station's beer cooler. also breaking right now, riots turn deadly in a terror any particular time northern island. protesters throwing explosives at police, hijacking cars and setting them on fire. is eyfire. 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go for it. >> first of all, it may surprise you but i agree with steny hoyer. my experience in the late 90's we had a report from ken starr you can pull up, a public document, that says president clinton is guilty on 11 counts, five of them said he is guilty on obstruction. you take 11 counts of guilty, compare it to the mueller report, which does not allege any criminal guilt of any kind, starr is talking about criminal guilt. we took that and the country at the end of the debate said you know, we are more worried about the economy. we are more worried about healthcare. we don't think this rises to the standard of removing a president. and i would say that steny hoyer is not correct than i was back then. i thought it was appalling that we had a president who had broken the law on 11 different counts. he did lose his license to practice law. in arkansas. he was clearly guilty. but, at the same time, the country rendered a larger judgment. knew you are in a different situation entirely. mueller came back and said two years. remember, 12 of his lawyers were career democrats. one was a republican. none of them gave any money to trump and his campaign. they spent two years and couldn't find 500 witnesses. they couldn't find him guilty. at some point you have to give it up and, frankly, the biggest thing that goes out of the details is the that the president is a very aggressive entrepreneur take his relationship with don mcgahn is a pushing, shoving, that's what entrepreneurs do. every single time he was told he can't do that, he didn't do it. so now what you now have a report that shows you how the president was thinking but he didn't do anything. i don't blame the president for aggressively trying to figure out --ing. ainsley: figure out the deep state thinking about wearing a microphone. they talked about it. they didn't. >> not according to the "new york times" and "the washington post" and cnn and msnbc. they take this i think admirable behavior when you have seen him on foreign policy. you see him on the economy. trump is a very aggressive very intelligent guy who is pushing the margins. he thought he was elected to change things. so he is trying to change things. don mcgahn deserves a lot of credit. he stood his ground. you can't do this. and the president said well, don, if you really think i can't do it, i guess i won't do it. it's the opposite of nixon and watergate. this is a story of the president who obeyed the law, the president who did what was right. and i think the democrats will look silly. i fully expect people bike ocasio-cortez to be nut i can't understand deranged and out of touch with reality. that's their role. but, i think the average democrat is going to pretty rapidly decide this is not a sound direction to go in. brian: i don't know one republican that has jumped ship. the ones that would have have jumped out of congress, it seems. here is the house judiciary chairperson gerald nadler. he demands that mueller now testify, exact verbatim the mueller report outlines disturbing evidence that the president trumengaged in obstruf justice and other misconduct. just imagine what's remains hidden from our view. mueller comes out on the first and second of may. your thoughts? >> let him testify. i don't have a problem with that let him come in and say hey, i spent two years interviewing 500 people, an entire team of lawyers, spent $25 million. it ain't there my guess is mueller will be a pretty impressive witness. he will be a witness for ending the process. look at poor jerry nadler's problem. the left wing of his party is going berserk. they all want to find a way to keep this up. his presidential candidates are going berserk. he can't, as chairman, not look like he is doing something or they will frankly take away his chairmanmanship. that's the dance in the house right now. ed: mr. speaker, one of the dramatic parts of the report is this idea when the oval office when he finds out that there has been a special counsel the president blisters the attorney general. jeff sessions, why didn't you protect me and says i'm fed among other things. some critics thought that thought he was admitting guilt. instead the report suggests looks i'm going to be crippled here for a couple years. happens with every independent counsel. my question is take that and push us forward. now that maybe this cloud is lifted, what do you think this president is accomplish in the next two years? >> let's remember what he was accomplished already. huge number of conservative judges appointed and with mitch mcconnell's leadership having gotten through the senate. tremendous deregulation, biggest in history, liberating the economy. huge tax cuts, which have led the economy to grow. lowest unemployment rate for african-americans in history. lowest unemployment rate for latinos in history. lowest unemployment rate for women in history. income is starting to rides. here is a guy who while he has 90% negative press coverage and ongoing investigation. he just plowing ahead. so i think you have to assume now that he has been exonerated in every possible way, he is going to be stronger, his re-election is going to be more likely. people around the world are going to accommodate him. they are going to start saying you know, i have got to deal with this guy through 20024. that is enormous change from a week ago. brian: you are the political expert. if i'm president, i would stay out of the nitty gritty, this is done. in my reviewer mirror move ahead. it does no good to re-litigate. what are the chances of that? >> first of all, i think the president wants to re-litigate, he ought to say how come they are not investigating what the obama administration failed to do. it ne knew from 2014 on that the russians were trying to affect our election. in order to appease iran and get the iran ondeal they didn't want to deal with the ruggless. and apparently some senior obama people said don't look at it and pay attention. that's a huge dereliction of duty. ed: no doubt. they ought to be looking at and barr said he will. how many of these guys were breaking the law by leaking things that are false. it's astonishing to senior fbi. ed: we have to run. we appreciate you coming, in sir. brian: if you need more newt listen to his podcast. ainsley: we always need more newt. ed: meanwhile no collusion, no problem. president obama's former intel chief has a whole new theory to get president trump. dan bongino joins us leifer with the reality check for john brennan ♪ ♪ we put our hands up ♪ like the ceiling can't hold us ♪ like the ceiling can't hold us ♪ i had a heart problem. i was told to begin my aspirin regimen, and i just didn't listen. until i almost lost my life. my doctors again ordered me to take aspirin, and i do. be sure to talk to your doctor before you begin an aspirin regimen. listen to the doctor. take it seriously. these are difficult times for elderly holocaust survivors. with no food and no heat they get weaker and more die everyday. i want you to see their faces. look into their eyes that are haunted still by the memories of the past. they desperately need our help now. a simple blanket, food and medicine are life-saving during the holiday season. these are people who often have to go for days without food. this woman would die in a matter of days or weeks without our help. cold, sick, weak; the jewish people have suffered so much pain in their lives. please call now and say that you will give a special gift of $25 that will help bring these lifesaving essentials to a holocaust survivor. are we going to hear the cries of the oppressed? 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[shouting] >> you know their names. still in guantanamo bay. you are a decrepit human being. only place you belong with s. a prison cell and jail cell. jillian: entitled to free speech. timing inappropriate. two men escorted out of the event. those had your headlines. brian: she should be proud of what sh she did putting those people in gitmo. ed: remember when andrew mccabe said this out loud. >> do you still believe the president could be a russian asset. >> i think it's possible. i think that's why we started our investigation. and i'm really anxious to see where director mueller concludes that. ainsley: and now mccabe is standing by that decision even after the no collusion report. listen. >> i think it validates the decision that we made, certainly in july of 2016, to start the initial russia focused investigation and then, of course, the decisions that we made in may of 2017 to include the president in that investigation personally. you know, rachel, the fbi, the standard for pred occasion to open an investigation and fbi is articulable, factual basis to believe that a threat to national security might exist or that a federal crime might have been committed. brian: really? here to react is dan bongino former secret service agent and author of the upcoming book exonerated there is the cover. is mccain right? he saw enough in july of 2016 to predicate an investigation as proven by the mueller report? >> notice the dance he does, okay he? says here's our standard for opening an investigation. okay. fine. anybody can articulate a threat. they got this fake dossier. they probably knew was fake. they can always at least say hey, we had something wink and nod. we didn't know it was fake until later. notice what he least out. that is not the standard of evidence in the fisa court to get a warrant to spy on someone. it is probable cause of two things. that some subject out there is acting on behalf of a foreign government. secondly, in violation of u.s. law. they had absolutely no probable cause that that happened. all they had was the dossier that had not been verified that by the way andrew mccabe signed off on. i love the dance he does all the time and plays stupid like he doesn't know that mccabe is uniquely libel in this as well he is also the guy who tells marco rubio in the sworn testimony there was no effort to obstruct the investigation while is he opening up a case for obstruction against donald trump. >> listen to what james clapper is saying if the obstruction is not active maybe it's passive. listen to this. >> i think if there wasn't active collusion proven, then i think what we have here is a case of passive collusion. where in some cases unwittingly to include candidate trump himself who retweeted messages that had been planted by the russians in social media. ainsley: just dying to get some sort of a collusion, right? not active but passive? >> we explained mccabe's. here is clapper's problem. clapper is clearly running he told people on the record chuck todd, included, he has told them watch the tape yourself it's all out there that there was no fisa. as a matter of fact, chuck todd doubled down and said there was no fisa but if there was one you would know it, right, director clapper? and he said absolutely. definitely i would know it so jim clapper think about this, he is the dni director of national intelligence. goes on tv and said no fisa, wrong. brian: back up a second what do you mean there is no fisa. >> there was no fisa warrant to spy on carter page. that is clearly factually a lie. and then todd asks him well, if there was one, would you know about it? he said yes, definitely. he was lying or he was the worst dn in the history. he is the dumbest guy we have ever seen he didn't know there was a fisa? brian: 15 month often to try ofe trying to get russians. weather ivanka or friend of a friend of a friend trying to get ahold of jared kushner or alpha bank president trying to on behest of vladimir putin try to get some tide into the brand new trump administration. that's chronicled? >> absolutely. that's not news that the russians have tried to penetrate. that's clearly old news. the question was did the trump campaign collude and the answer is definitively no. ed: you hearsay if it's not active maybe it was passive. beto o'rourke out on the campaign trail if there was not collusion maybe there is coordination. i don't know if that's a crime. coordination. listen to this one from eric swalwell running for president, too. attorney general barr never should have been confirmed but once confirmed he should have recused himself from all oversight of the the mueller investigation. he is embedded ally. trump ally who puts president trump's political future above the rule of law. that makes him unfit to serve. he must resign. >> guys like swalwell saying did he say i'm obama's wing man he? said that i'm obama's wing man. barr hasn't said any of that barr has said exclusively that the president had executive privilege and never claimed it. this is absurd. barr yesterday at the press conference clearly stated he didn't give them any kind of advanced peek of it at all. ainsley: rosenstein was a part of this. >> rosenstein was in the back did he look like a deer in the headlights or what? brian: look in there the scope memo is in the report. you found it. >> devin nunes covered it last night too. fascinating. mentioned carter and page including with the russians only in the dossier. why is mueller looking at the dossier august 2nd of 2017 already been debunked. ed: dan bongino, appreciate it. >> you got it. ainsley: the market still going strong after the mueller report went public. is that the proof that the left needs to finally move on? stuart varney know what is wall street wants and it's no more investigation. he joins us ex. ed: good to see you, bud ♪ we going to make you lose your mind ♪ everybody's going to have m a good, good time. this is the family who booked the flight, ♪ who saved by adding a hotel, which led to new adventures, ♪ that captured their imaginations ♪ and turned moments into memories. with flights, hotels, activities and more for your florida vacation, expedia has everything you need to go. brian: wall street shrugging off the mueller report with stocks ending up in the green. ainsley: look at. that is this more proof that democrats need to move on? ed: stuart varney host of the fox business network and my case with. check it out every day. >> the world has been celebrating ever since attorney general barr issued the summary, the market went straight up. and he celebrated again after his press conference. the market went up again. now, the markets closed today but i can tell from you activity and what we call the futures market it will go up again on monday. ainsley: why does this decision or summary affect the market? >> well, there is several reasons. number one, it probably means that congress is stymied. they are going to be taken up with investigation after investigations. nothing is going to get done. wall street kind of likes that when congress can do nothing. ed: they are not going to issue more regulations. >> they can't mess things up. when the ball is rolling and things are going pretty nicely. congress emboldened in investigations can't mess things up. secondly, this no collusion. no prosecution on the obstruction, that surely enhances president trump's possibility of winning in 2020. doesn't? doesn't he look a little better in 2020 than he did before the mueller report came out? wall street wants a trump presidency to continue. they do not want any of the democrat candidates thus far except maybe joe biden. ohio understand may be running and announcing next week. maybe they would be acceptable to him, but as for the rest. no. brian: they know how damaging an impeachment hearing would be and grinding it would be for our economy. >> that's not going to stop them. you are going to have investigations after investigations. they are trying to slime the president. anything to make him look bad. can i just ask this question? biden does run, doesn't this present him with an opportunity? couldn't he be the moderate in the pack and the guy who says enough? we're not going to beat with trump with investigations and mueller. we're not going to do it. let's talk the issues. if he did that, he would stand out and be the moderate in the game. ed: see if he takes it stuart slarn i don't. appreciate it. ainsley: party is divided. brian: watch you 9 to noon. >> thank you, brian. ed: democrats looking for a may twi disrupt the trump presidency. >> to be outraged and demand that he is impeached. ed: where do they go from here? 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joining to us discuss that is a man who has been through this before. clinton advisor mark penn. first off, mark, your thoughts about the 400-plus pages? what does it tell you? >> well, it says there was no collusion. once there was no collusion and i was very early collusion denier because it looked like it was based on a fake dossier it confirms that. i think that's the overriding finding. and then i thought that those investigators would try make a case for obstruction of justice but even they ultimately didn't make a case just threw out a bunch of incidents. >> goes into great detail many of which we knew about reporting different leaks. corey lewandowski because called by the president and said take down this message. i want you to take it to jeff sessions and have him resign. corey didn't do it. don mcgahn he said don, i want you to fire robert mueller is he conflicted. mcgahn didn't do it. he was to the point he was going to quit if he was forced. to say did those two people save the president. >> look, these are the room nations of a president frustrated. he is being investigated for a crime he didn't do. and didn't even exist. and so the fact that he said fire sessions, resign. and it wasn't done, he knew it wasn't being done. and it wasn't done. and he could have done it anyway. brian: there is a lot of questions out there. democrats might say this is an opportunity to start bringing don mcgahn back and robert mueller. see if there is enough to hurt the president or impeach the president. what do you recommend. >> my experience in '98 is when it's over it's over. we spent two years on this. of the tolerance of the public to go forward is limited. maybe this is going to be a structural problem that you've got two people who head committees who are nobodies unless they go out every day and do this and nadler and schiff. but structurally the country usually says hey, this is done. there was no conclusion. they want to hear about infrastructure, healthcare, immigration, the real issues. do your job, congress. i think that's the message the voters are going to send. brian: when this comes out, you think in a couple of days when the investigations ramp up. when the easter break is over. as newt pointed out, there was a ken starr conclusion that said the president lied. president clinton lied. so it almost seemed automatic it was going to be taken up in the house. here, you don't have that. >> well, not only that you have a thorough legal analysis from rod rosenstein who initiated the whole investigation that there was no obstruction of justice. and you have the physical 400-page report and if it's anything, they got unprecedented cooperation. nothing like we would have given. brian: reportedly the president put his head back when the special counsel was convened and mueller was named he said i'm blanked. overall now that it's done re-election chances better today than yesterday? >> absolutely. he was right when he said that statement. that's what an independent counsel did. investigating his entire family and everybody in the administration. i saw it even the decisions where weather to send missiles to usama bin laden being affected by the investigation. these things affect everything. it was unjustified. the president was right to fume gait about it. brian: they all said he was wagging the dog to change the narrative. now we know dangerous missed him in sudan and the field in afghanistan. great to see you, mark. thank you. come up straight ahead. reaction from the president's lawyer rudy giuliani. mark levin is up early. he is going to give us his legal advice. bill bennett is a wise guy as is timothy cardinal dolan. ♪ feel what lighter feels like. .ta .. helps prevent your urge to smoke all day. nicodermcq. you know why, we know how. and trail dust. for the love of farm roads, dirt roads, and no roads. for the love of hunting, fishing, and working the land. for love of conservation, preservation and restoration. introducing tracker off-road vehicles. designed and built on american soil for kicking up american soil. tracker off road. built for love of country. ♪ ainsley: you only get one more hour with us. are you crying at home? are you sad? ed: super sad. ainsley: this is the last hour of "fox & friends" for the week. ed: we're not slowing down. ainsley: we aren't. brian: i think we are, i'm kidding. darius rucker going back with "hootie & the blowfish" at some point. ainsley: they ended tour in south carolina where i'm from. we listened to them before they were famous. they love the university and support our town. brian: they're probably not reading the mueller report. ed: straight to the fox news alert. ainsley: no collusion, no obstruction after 22 months of investigations 448 page mueller report clears the president and his team of colluding with russia. >> no collusion, no obstruction. this is a hoax. it shouldn't happen to another president again. brian: the president greeted with cheers as he arrived at the mar-a-lago over easter weekend. this must have felt good. this is far from case closed. ed: the report sparking new calls from democrats, some of them, hearings, maybe even impeachment. rudy giuliani, personal attorney for president trump. you're laughing because people have been pillorying president and your strategy, that you were making the whole situation worse. do you feel vindicated this morning? >> if i didn't feel vindicated i wouldn't feel like myself. there is always somebody criticizing. if we were in court, we didn't want a trial if there was a trial there would be resounding not guilty, not guilty. the jury would wonder why the case was brought in the first place. we didn't do anything wrong. the observations of mark penn were right on point. he should be a lawyer. the reality if you take all that conduct that they, they regurgitate into the paper, and you have to understand some of it is not true. brian: what do you mean? >> the benefit of not testifying they couldn't trap you into perjury like they did with flynn or make it up. the detriment of not testifying there are not lot of things not accurate. there are things they didn't put in there. if you think fairly written report. imagine writing it, andrew wise man, who has been reversed by supreme court with people not guilty, who was crying at hillary clinton's funeral or whatever that was, when she lost. that was not a fairly written report. it was one-sided, highly, highly biased report. so i'm going to assume everything they wrote there is true and it's not, but assuming it's all true mark penn is absolutely right. you have to see it in the light of a man being accused a crime he didn't commit. you put yourself in that position. you're accused of a crime you didn't commit, you're accused of treason. you're accused of conspiring with not an enemy but pretty close to an enemy, russia. to do something horrible. and you know you didn't do it. you know you didn't do it. i know he didn't do it. i was with him, with him 18 hours a day for four months. he wasn't conspiring with anybody but us to get elected president. brian: when it came to obstruction, if we had confidence thorough investigation of facts that he president didn't in the commit obstruction of justice we would sate. they say after 22 months -- >> they won't believe it the day they die. they would still be investigating if they could. they just believe he is bad. there musting somebody bad had i am. think how warped you to me. read it again. brian: if you want. orders from me -- confidence after their l thorough investigation. >> confidence after a thorough investigation that he didn't do it, when the hell did a prosecutor figure out if you didn't do it? prostores do, did you do it that turns around 2000 years of roman, english and american law. the presumption of innocence. it is not just a joke. reality in this case he really was innocent. he should be presumed innocent. he doesn't have prove his innocence. you don't have to prove a negative. we're fortunate in the collusion situation, it is so crazy, so nutty, made up. that better be investigated. this didn't come out of thin air. this came from somewhere in europe. that is where it came from. it was planted. brian: when did the investigation start. >> papdopoulus was the mark. you read his book. read their report. that guy was set up. they gave him the information. from a maltese diplomat which he then imparts to australian diplomat, just repeating what the maltese -- slip it in. this is completely patented, counterintelligence dirty trick and you got a couple of foreign agents involved. you have a couple of americans. want to talk about conspiracy? we can talk about conspiracy but it's on the other side. not on this side. ainsley: rudy he just tweeted this. statements are made, president did, statements made by me by certain people in the crazy mueller report, written by 18 angry democrat trump haters, fabricated totally untrue. watch out for people that take so-called notes, when the notes never existed until needed because i never, dot, dot, dot. first part of a tweet he is working on. what is your reaction. >> the reality -- brian: talking about don mcgahn. >> can't be possible with all the detail that some of it isn't wrong. don't give you other side of it. i give you another big flaring one. half of what they write about michael cohen is true i would be surprised. half of that perjury. writing based on false statements and perjury. the guy should go to jail for more time the perjury he committed during the course of vex and lying he committed punishable and you 18 usc 101. they don't bother to give the reader other side of it. this is guy is somewhat questionable. somewhat questionable credibility. he went in front of congress perjured himself seven times, including saying he wasn't asking for a job. brian knows he was asking for a job. everybody knows it. it is on tape. not to worry. he told it to two chris cuomo two days after the election. you have to tell the people, you have to question what cohen is saying because he is liar. brian: the person that takes notes is don mcfan, he says to don mcgahn, why do you keep taking notes? because i need to take notes. so i guess he is referring to don mcgahn. >> he could be referring to comey. one that is phony note. a phony note that whole thing about the president told him to go easy on flynn or hopedded he could see his way clear. the president said that conversation didn't take place. he didn't produce notes until three months later, three months later after he was fired. he changed his whole version of it. testified under oath, comey did, was never pressured, two days after he is was fired he changed his mind and i put those two together, pal you have to go to jail for one of those. ed: back to don mcgahn, established in the report, summer of 2017 he called mcgahn to get rid of mueller, no action was taken. you and others say there was no obstruction. a few months later the president went back to mcgahn, you have to put out a statement, mcgahn pub hickly stating i never asked you to get rid of mueller. isn't that coaching witness? >> some of it is demonstrably false. in any event, read some of the opposing statements which they bother to conveniently leave out. no, even if it is true it is not because mark penn was right about this. anybody who works for him will probably tell you this. after three or four of those, if they're true, right other ones, don't you get the point? i mean those aren't, those aren't like real orders. when he wants to fire somebody ask jim comey if he can fire somebody. if he was really upset that sessions wasn't fired or really wanted him fired he would have fired him. ed: what about trying to get somebody to change their story when they're talking to the special counsel? >> well, first of all who says that's true? there is a, even special counsel if you read it carefully says there are differing recollections about this. little thing in the middle of 400 pages. i know what they mean about that. there are different recollections there are people, the president, never talked to them, there are people they have it isn't quite related by one person and being interpreted by you. so the reality is no harm, no foul. mark penn is correct. yes, he ruminated. yes he got angry. yes he got upset but after a while you realize these messages were never delivered. there is a pattern there. the pattern is he didn't mean them to be delivered. most of them, i have got to tell you, this is the annoying part, they are sneaky and slimily, most of them are not true or at least in substantial doubt from a lawyer's point of view, and those doubts are not conveyed to the reader. brian: rudy, see you later on radio. >> looking forward to it. ainsley: bring in bill bennett. host of wise guys and former drug czar for reagan education and not one american colluded with russia. should that be a victory? >> it should be a victory on all counts. put this in perspective. if the president had told corey lewandoski or don mcgain to do this, they had followed through, that would not be obstruction of justice either. i'm with my professor at harvard law school, alan dershowitz, but more important with the constitution. the executive power rests with the president. he can do what he wants in terms of firing people in the executive branch. you might have had unpleasant story like "saturday night massacre" story but that is not an offense against the law. so let's be clear on that. the other thing i want to say a lot of people comments have not been in the executive branch, haven't been head of anything. i got a lot of sympathy for the president. i held three positions in the executive branch during the reagan and george herbert walker bush administrations and they come after you, they came after me hard, 5% as hard as they come after president trump you get mad. you get really mad. i didn't do that. i never said that. i never meant that. so the fact the president was angry seems to me is entirely understandable. the last thing i would say is, part of his anger was because there was no underlying crime. he knew he didn't collude, if the president was obstructing anything he was obstructing injustice. you know this bum rap that they had on him. it all comes back to that underlying fact which is now indisputable. no collusion. ed: mr. secretary, if you widen the lens, you had russia as we hear democrats say a lot attacking the u.s. essentially trying to impact the election. >> yes. ed: can you refresh my memory, i thought in 2015 and 2016 when they were attacking us it was obama obama who was president? >> yeah, that is exactly right. barack obama who you remember laughed off mitt romney's suggestion that russia was a big problem. you remember that, in the debates back when. and that bears looking into and that growling bear with the first rate brain as i call my friend bill barr will look into it along with mr. horowitz. so work needs to be done. you know, i'm with, i'm with the other folks, i'm with mark penn and with rudy. if the democrats want to pursue this, let them pursue it. i think politically it is a loser if that the route they want to go fine, it ought to be sensible for someone like a biden or steny hoyer to step in, say, wait a minute, this is not what we want it be doing. american people went through two years of this. two years on collusion. do they want to go through two years on discussion of obstruction which no one was charged with? brian: i hear you. i think the candidates, all the democratic candidates no one brings up mueller or russia. meanwhile your buddy bill barr was under the microscope after his presser at 9:30 yesterday morning. listen how the democrats are characterizing his presser is. >> sad day for the institution of the presidency. a sad day for the institution of the department of justice. >> attorney general did a grave disservice to the country by misrepresenting significant parts of the mueller report. >> the attorney general of the united states here was acting as the president's lawyer, not the people's. >> barr's words and actions suggest he has been disingenuous and misleading. >> general barr, he might as well been in the white house press conference room as the spokesperson for the president. brian: your reaction to how barr has been characterized? >> you remember the old superman tv show? you guys are two young, george reeves played superman. bullets came they, bill barr is fine. he is a guy, learned hand said once a man whom nothing can dawn, nothing can bribe. he did his job yesterday. i look forward to seeing him at those hearings with the mental midge gets who will challenge him. ed: talking about history. you have perspective, sir. >> yeah. brian: ed: you have interesting program on "fox nation." patriots almanac. >> yes we do. we're in deep competition with your partner brian kilmeade. brian: what made america great. >> why did i do that? why did i give that opportunity to brian? the american patriots almanac a book i did. talk about what happened every day in american history. i do the reading from the book. we'll have a big event. "fox nation" event in scottsdale on the 14th. today in american history was the shot fired that was heard round the world by that rude bridge that arched the flood, beginning of the revolution, april 19, 1775. it's all in there. i'm delighted to talk about this book on "fox nation." brian: yep. "fox nation," if you haven't downloaded app, you are one the few. please do it. thank you, bill. ainsley: have a great easter weekend. >> thank you. happy easter. ainsley: let's hand it over to jillian who has headlines. jillian: this morning we have fox news alert. joe biden is running for president. "the atlantic" reporting that the former vice president made his 2020 decision, will announce it next week in an official video. biden hinted at a 2020 run several times. this will be his third time entering a presidential race. he will be the 17th democrat to officially declare a 2020 run. also breaking right now, tore made cowatches and warnings in effect for parts of florida and georgia. severe withwer strong wind and heavy rain moving up the east coast today. after paving a path of destruction in the south and spawning tornadoes. at least three people are dead. entire streets and yards completely swamped by flooding in mississippi. to another alert riots turn deadly in terror incident in northern ireland. protesters throwing explosives at police, hijacking cars, setting them on fire. [sirens] an irish journalist shot and killed in the violence in londonderry. police raided homes of people who may have been plotting easter weekend attacks. look at this, firefighters going the extra mile to help a disabled veteran get home. heartwarming video showing the crew push a man for seven blocks after his electric wheelchair got stuck in the mud. the battery drained trying to get it out. the deputy fire chief telling a local paper, we're happy to see our guys help people, that's what we do for a living. ainsley: thank goodness they were there. jillian: i know. ainsley: how nice of them. thank you, jillian. brian: 17 minutes after the hour. voters interest in the 2020 election is surging. who has got the advantage? karl rove says it's bernie sanders? ainsley: he is here live to explain why bernie could take it all the way to the white house this time. ♪ ♪ ed: a big staff shakeup in the prosecutor's office handling the jussie smollett case. ainsley: two kim foxx's deputies handing their resignations in including her chief ethics officer. brian: keeps your head spinning. matt finn live in chicago with details. reporter: two of her deputies handed in their resignations most notable kim foxx's chief ethics officer april perry. the letter did not give the reason for the departure. perry said she is returning to the private sector. perry advised foxx to recuse herself. she discussed it with the former you obama chief of staff, 10 that chen and smollett member while smollett was considered a victim. she was considered a strong advisor. >> what most people haven't talked about i did that under the advisement of our first-ever chief ethics per. we never had a ethics officer in cook county. what i want to make sure when i started my term, any decision i made, even the appearance of impropriety would be vetted by someone other than myself. reporter: also resign something kim foxx's director of the conviction integg grit unit. they say his resignation has nothing to do with the smollett case. he has an international trip plan and preparing for the fishing season. kim foxx maintained her office legally offered jussie smollett a alternative prosecution when it suddenly dropped the 16 felony charges. foxx has been heavily criticized and rebuked by the national district attorney's association and illinois prosecution bar which concluded that foxx misled the public. cook county inspector general is investigating kim foxx's decision. the president asked for a federal review of kim foxx as well. ed: matt finn live in chicago. brian: the story that never ends. fox news poll is out. let me share with you. in the 2020 election. the election levels interest are through the roof. they say 5 it% of the you say they're extremely interested. very is 2 of%, not just 20%. this is incredible. 78% would be sat if joe biden was their candidate. right on his tail is democratic socialist bernie sanders. ed: our next guest argues bernie could win the nomination this time around. ainsley: this comes as we learn biden is going to enter the race according to one publication. they're saying, atlantic saying he will enter it next wednesday. that the big announcement we'll have to see next week. karl rove, former advisor to president george w. bush. good morning to you, karl. >> good morning. ainsley get it under control. i'm concern what is going on there. henry mixing his metaphor. on a bad limb going down that path. kilmeade attacking cardinal of new york as a wise guy. what is going on? brian: he is a wise guy, not a wise guy. >> that is not how it came off. brian: called cardinal the best in the business. he is one of the best. ed: there are a lot of good cardinals. ainsley: where are you? what is behind you. >> the state capitol of texas on a beautiful good friday morning. the sunrise this morning in austin has been spectacular. brian: thanks for joining us, karl. we'll see you next week. only kidding. karl, let's talk about bernie sanders. you watched the town hall. you see the numbers and you say this guy's got a shot? >> yeah, look. i was impressed with the performance. first of all the simple fact that he went on because the democratic chairman, tom perez has no debates on fox. bernie comes on to fox. gets the largest viewership of any campaign event thus far. twice as many viewers on fox than cnn i thought that was a smart move on his part. look, i think, look, whiteboard. whiteboard time. here is the strengths that i saw. he is run before and it shows. he learned from his past campaign. he is lot more fluid. bret goes after him on the tax cuts, says the trump tax cuts meant you paid effective rate of $26,000 on over half a million dollars in income last year. i paid all the taxes i owe, quickly pivots i released 10 years of tax returns. president trump ought to do the same. martha says, you know, here's mayor pete. he says new generation of leadership. you will be 79 if you're sworn in as president. he makes a joke. it's a fair question. it is not whether you're young or old. it what's you believe. turned every time he brought it back to his message. that demonstrated to me that he has learned from having to run before. he really did a good job of softening edges socialism. when it came up, warm and fuzzy, kumbayah, shake hands, run around the campfire. he focused on his agenda. at one point he said democrats will lose if we spend our time bashing trump. he focused what he was for. finally, why did i put it on there twice? heck if i no. probably a good point. brian: if you try to smooth the edges of socialism we know the reality as socialism, you as a smart, savvy political strategist president trump is itching to run against a socialist. >> yeah, yeah. here is the downsize. socialism ain't pretty. you saw him get himself tied up talking about "medicare for all." oh, "medicare for all" is government-run health care but i'm not talking about. i'm talking about something else. but i mean, you know, once you get in there, it ain't pretty. and he tried to sort of dodge about it. but, if you run a straightforward deliberate, well-delivered campaign on socialism. it is not where the american people are. he, he couldn't help himself. somebody made a glancing, i think it was bret said, look at all the good jobs. no, it was martha. look at all the great jobs. economy is good. it is not trump's. it is obama's, it is the world's. brian: germany doing good too. japan. >> germany is doing good. japan. it's a global thing. rather than just passing it by going back, anytime, just he got stuck on trump. really light on details. oh, well, don't worry. how much is it going to cost? everything we propose we're paying for he says without telling that it is trillions and trillions and trillions and trillions of dollars. he gets really sloppy at times. i don't know whether sort of age or whether it is just sort of habit. he gets sort of sloppy. finally he is really prickly. he couldn't help himself. he is on fox. and they're giving him a great thing, great venue he keeps -- ainsley: going after fox. >> nicking the anchors -- ed: real personal. ainsley: bret tried to shut that down. but it continued. it will be tougher for the president to beat? would it be biden or bernie sanders? >> i don't think we know yet. because it's a question, what is their mature full message. if bide renn comes out says something we're all in this together. i'm a traditional democrat but i'm going to work with republicans. i will serve one term. we'll heal the country, turn the page to a new chapter for america. that would be tough. bernie, i have to say, i thought it was interesting, i wrote the column almost immediately when it went up on wednesday night, some of the trump campaign people said you know what? we're paying attention to this guy. he is, we got to take him seriously. ed: karl rove. he is not sloppy, he is not prickly, he loves sunsets in austin. >> sunrises, henry. ainsley put a adult supervision. mixed metaphors, attacks on the cardinal. i can't believe what is going on. ed: no collusion, why there even an investigation in the first place? the great one is it here. not just kilmeade. mark levin. really great one. brian: really great one. you wouldn't accept an incomplete job from any one else. why accept it from your allergy pills? flonase relieves your worst symptoms including nasal congestion, which most pills don't. flonase helps block 6 key inflammatory substances. most pills only block one. flonase. >> i see considerable evidence of obstruction of justice which is what mueller said. he lays it out for congress. he practically invites congress to pursue the that. barr took it upon himself to announce that he decided to clear, to clear the president. not up to him. we need the whole report. we need the whole report, including the underlying documents, unredacted. ed: judiciary chair, jerry nadler, a few moments ago slamming attorney general yet again, calling for the full unredacted mueller report. ainsley: here to react, mark levin, host of life, liberty and lavine. good morning to you, mark. >> always good to wake up to a slip and fall lawyer, jerry nadler. they will bring the lawsuit. they will lose. this is all about the press. i would like to get to that in a minute. if i could talk about this report, everybody is focused on volume two, aren't they, including us. volume two, what did mcgahn say and why did president tell mcgahn. why do we keep focusing on this. this report, volume 2 doesn't have a syllable of legal significance. there is not a syllable of law in it. it doesn't matter what mcgahn said or what the president said, none of it has been tested in a court of law. there has been no challenge to it. there has been no cross-examination. nothing. that's why mueller wrote this. this is political document that he should never have written. a political document that is 200 pages long the press keeps focusing on. why he and weissmann and others wrote it, he knew you all, he knew cnn would be obsessed with it. he knew msnbc would be obsessed with it. this is an op-ed. this is 200 page op-ed. that is all this is. no prosecutor who wouldn't want to be disbarred would ever produce anything like this, talking, all this guy said this, why did the president say that? how do you know? well the prosecutor said. who gives a damn what the prosecutor said. he is not god. he is not a judge. he is not a jury. ed: you're scolding the white house counsel. >> so what. ed: whether the president told the truth or not matters to you? >> it matters completely to me. how do you know is truthful, ed. ed: he is the white house counsel? >> how do you know this is truthful, ed. you have no idea. the prosecutor put words in here he was told by another individual. that is never been challenged. president says he didn't say that. so you have no idea. i have no idea. that is why we have a court of law. that is why prosecutors, damn it, are not supposed to write essays like this. now we have a special counsel. and the democrats knew a special counsel could write a report. they're not focused on volume one which is legal. which does cite law, which was an investigation that found no collusion. that was the purpose of the investigation. obstruction was not the purpose of the investigation. and he didn't have an obstruction case against the president of the united states or he would have brought it. i'm using plain english so even joe scarborough and jake tapper can understand this. volume two is crap. volume two was written for slip and fall lawyer nadler, slip and fall lawyer, schiff. that is why he wrote it. he knew the media would run with it. volume one, mr. mueller should have come up to a microphone, six, 12 months into his investigation and announced to the american people, i have great news, the president didn't collude. his campaign didn't collude. there is no collusion. i'm shutting down this investigation. i got manafort. i will give it to the u.s. attorney in virginia. i will give this one to the southern district of new york. he didn't do it. why didn't he do that? right to the end, they're trying to get the president's in person testimony about something he knew never happened. collusion. and yet, why is this report even faulty. how can you talk about russia interference in our election and ignore the hillary clinton campaign, and the dnc, and the senior level of the fbi that has been wiped out by their own conduct? how in the world can you do that, not interview barack obama and susan rice an all the rest of them? this is a hack job. now, where are we here? where are we here? from my perspective it is now a matter of the american people versus the press. i would call them the unfree press. we had a report by the sorenson center at harvard, it will be in my new book. the first 100 days of coverage of trump presidency, they looked at seven major media outlets including fox. cnn and nbc, 90% negative. the rest of the media, 70 to 80% negative. fox, 52-48 negative to positive. the only even-handed one. and they said, this is harvard, not me, in every dimension, the reporting was overwhelmingly negative. this isn't a free press. this isn't serious. they keep bringing this fool nadler up there. he will bring a phony lawsuit. he will subpoena this trashing of attorney general of the united states who followed the law. i want american people to understand something, real fast, the way the regulation reads is, this report, which he didn't have to produce this, the prosecutor, he wanted to produce this. this report goes to the attorney general of the united states. he is not an observer. he is in the regulation. he decides what to say, what not to say. he decides what's relevant. he is the attorney general of the united states. not robert mueller. so they are destroying the attorney general of the united states. the media are, because they destroy anybody who stands up to the mob. brian: we're going to see, because the attorney general will be up there on the first and second. i think he will do fine for himself we'll go from here. mark levin, life, liberty and levin. >> saturday and sunday. brian: not to early to preorder your book, right. >> it is never too early, brian kilmeade. brian: unfreedom of the press. the great one. >> good bless. brian: you are a morning person. you have to join us more. ainsley: we always welcome him. today is good friday as christians around the world honor jesus' sacrifice on the cross. coming up timothy cardinal dolan is here live with a easter message on this easter weekend. brian: walking in to the "partridge family.." ♪ so you can seize the morning. zzzquil pure zzzs. but in my mind i'm still 35. that's why i take osteo bi-flex, to keep me moving the way i was made to. it nourishes and strengthens my joints for the long term. osteo bi-flex. because i'm made to move. it's going to be passover in just a few days. and these people are in desperate need. these are very difficult times for israel and the jewish people. as the government spends more and more of it's resources for battling terrorism. the situation has become a crisis. every week the lines get longer and longer. there are more people who come than they expect because the numbers keep growing. its difficult to have to see people in this situation needy for food. especially at this holiday season of passover. this should be a blessing to you. this $25 food box will provide one desperately needy family here in israel with food, with hope and with a note inside each of these saying that's its from christians and jews in america who seek to bless them. with your phone call right now a food box will go out to one desperate family in israel. inside the food box is a special note that will bless them and let them know that america stands strong in solidarity with israel in their struggle for survival. many of these people are ill they're sick, they're alone. they don't have the money to afford things that many of us, most of us, take for granted. people, who don't have enough money to even buy some matza the unleavened bread as the bible describes it. israel and it's people need your help now. you can make a life changing difference by calling and saying that you give a $25 food box to help a family in need in israel. thank you and god bless you for your support. jillian: good morning back with some headlines. senate majority leader wants to raise the nationwide age to buy tobacco. mitch mcconnell will introduce a bill next month to make it illegal anyone under 21 years old to buy cigarettes or vaping devices. right now the minimum age 18. cdc number of high schoolers using tobacco increased 38% last year. this military dad had no idea what he was in store for. when his wife gathered to have a gender reveal party. >> it is twins. not twins. it's a joke. >> it's blue. >> it's a joke. >> what? what? >> i swear to god it's twins. jillian: he said are you having a hard time accepting they are in fact having twins. video of the growing family in virginia is going viral. congrats to them. ainsley: what would that be like as a dad. how will i pay for college. i will be sweating. congratulations to them. brian: vocational school. thanks, jillian. ainsley: millions of christians around the world will be celebrating food friday today, commemorating jesus sacrifice on the cross. what message should every american take away from the holy day of reflection? brian: we have archbishop timothy cardinal dolan. brian was teasing the show the best in the business, cardinal dolan was coming. i thought pope francis was best in the business. brian: i think you're the best. >> i appreciate that compliment. this is a good day to tell the truth. [laughter]. brian: i guess if you don't mind, to put good friday on hold just for a second, we know you had a briefing about the status of the notre dame cathedral. you also had an important call from somebody. first how is the cathedral. >> thanks, you're right. thanks for bringing it up, yesterday we had some good news, a group of interreligious leaders and business leaders led by joe and ken langone i was part of it, brought together a 20 people we want to start a st. patrick's to notre dame fund. to show our love and support. brian: wow, that's great. >> during the announcement, the preparation for it, brian the french consul general briefed us. it is some of the better news we heard for a while. you remember early on, you guys have done a splendid job of reporting, early on there was debate, can any of it be saved? will we have to knock down that to be preserved? recent intel, what is standing should be obviously clean and put buttressed up and reinforced but we'll be able to rebuild upon that structure, which i think is very important for the renewal coming from this. there has to be at least a foundation, a at least a good part of the infrastructure there, if notre dame is to regain its luster. that was good news. the other good news, we have to admit this was an accident. i think all of us at the beginning thought, oh, no, this is terrorist act. brian: here we go. >> will bring more division, violence, hatred. thank god that didn't happen. ainsley: they will hire the best of the best, right? >> they are hiring the best of the best. i appreciated the french -- you know what, do you agree with this, you often talk about thank you, the role of religion in the public square, most of us, if you had to, if you had to think of a city that personified, i'm saying this is accurate but at least in the public perception a city that personified a muscular secularism, in other words, religion stay out of public life, if you want it as personal hobby, poor you, but keep it over there, it would be paris. i'm not saying that is accurate, that is sort of the personification. here you see this city on its knees. you see the city crying. you sigh the city rallying around in prayer, not only to mourn the destruction of notre dame, but to plan for its resurrection. i found this very revealing. and i found it kind of a very consoling message during this holy week. you would hike to conclude from that, i don't know if i'm too naive or too sanguine in this, you would like to conclude, deep down in the human psyche, we're hardwired for the divine. and we can line of hide that and ignore that and even sometimes to deny it, but in moments like this, boy, that comes to the surface. i found it kind of consoling. brian: what about the priest that went in there. >> is that phenomenal? brian: was attacked in afghanistan. >> this guy by the way, new captain america, new captain france. he was at the farmer terrorist attack, went in and sued the victims. father judge, the. ed: michael judge. >> one of the first in -- brian: the fire raging. he ran in he started the father judge of paris now. but to say you know there are treasures in there that need saving, the sacred relic of the crown of thorns, cloak of st. louis the 9th, the blessed sacrament, holy eucharist, thank god we have to get those. thank god there was no human life. that would be his first. the firefighters first to save the human life. once he was assured there was nobody in there, there are other sacred objects in there. ed: when you talk about finding good in the bad, tragedy, horrible circumstance, good friday, we say happy good friday, because bad things happen but you say? >> yeah, ed, by the way, thanks again for your book. brian: it is great. jackie robinson. >> you talk about good coming from the bad, the prejudice he experienced. now he is an icon. yeah, good question. in fact i was at one of our catholic schools last week and one of the kid in fourth grade said, cardinal dolan, the worst thing ever happened on good friday. why do we call it good? well, precisely because good triumphs over evil. so you bet evil happened. evil, hate, lies, violence but good conquered. good had the last word. the salvation of the world through the cross of christ. that happened on this friday. no wonder we call it good. >> there's a new way survey out asking people about religious affiliation. >> i saw that, ainsley. ainsley: for the folks at home that haven't seen it 23.1% said no religion. 23% identify as catholic. 22.5 identify as evangelical. your thoughts. >> this is continuation of a trend. we see this research come out usually in the spring every other year by the pew research center. that is impeccable. we have to pay attention to it. on one hand good news, americans report they're still very spiritual. they believe in god. they believe in a moral code. on the other hand, it is sobering for us it says while americans want to believe, the trend then to translate that into belonging keeps going down. now of course sends shivers through those of us who are, who love the fact that we're members of a religious body. i'm just not talking about catholics. you mentioned evangelicals. my jewish neighbors, happy passover, the rabbi friend, we have the same statistics we believe, but we're not too much of a vibrant part of a synagogue. that is what we're all, we're all feeling. now, you could say, well are we going to wring hands, start condemning? probably not. you just want to say, okay we got our work cut out for us. we've seen these trend come and go in the past. let's get to it. if we can, ainsley, if we can re-emphasize what i think is not only the natural but the supernatural connection between belief and belonging, we'll be, we'll be back up there. because belief doesn't persevere unless you belong to a group of people that share your most interior values. it is in jeopardy. so once people begin to see that, i think maybe the trend will go back up. that is what i meant by this notre dame thing, that kind of thing, i'm wondering if a year from now, if a study is done in france, i'm wondering if you will see a little spike in religious belonging? because i wonder if around the kitchen tables of france, they're saying wow, is destructionion of notre dame somewhat of icon a deterioration of our faith? and do we need do something about it? brian: you want to give an easter message out. what is this year's? >> i think year's is the same. what spring is to nature, new life, green, hope, more light, to see in everything and growth, easter is to super nature. we need this deep down because we're constantly going through dying and rising, okay? and we need that. because we see a lot of dying going on in the world. and you people see it. you're own the front lines every morning, when i turn on the news i'm thinking uh-oh, what bad news we got today? that's your job to report. there is a lot of dying, isn't there? boy you see evil, you see violence, you see lies, you see maybe a culture where civility and propriety seem to be on the run. you see a lot of dying. we need to be reminded that there's rising that goes on as well. dying and rising. jesus died, he rose. the people of israel were dying in egypt. they rose to new life in israel after the passover. winter dies, spring is new life. this is the cycle of the human project. ainsley: there is hope. >> there is hope. brian: because you are the best in the es business. ed: no offense to pope francis. >> i heard he called me a wise guy. brian: i meant you're a wise guy. not a wiseguy. >> i will give you -- ed: thank you, cardinal. brian: thank you. >> thank you all. a blessed easter and passover, everybody. brian: president called you after -- >> he was very gracious and called, said wanted to express condolences on notre dame. mr. president, very kind. ainsley: i read you went over to st. patrick's prayed for intercession. >> i did, yeah. ainsley: thank you, god bless you. brian: so comfortable on the couch. you should be here every day. ainsley: go write your sermon. ♪ and last longer with fewer pills. so why am i still thinking about this? 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