♪ ♪ >> ainsley: it is 7:00 a.m. here on the east coast. it's wednesday, it's june 2 #th, and this is "fox & friends." new cbp data shows a massive spike in criminal illegal immigrants entering since 2021. and the mom of murdered 12-year-old jocelyn is now calling for action. >> it has got to stop. we have to stop burying our kids. this is not right. we have to have more reinforcement when it comes to letting people in. >> brian: plus, the cnn presidential debate tomorrow, finally. and we could learn trump's vp pick soon. >> >> lawrence: we're kicking off our "fox & friends" exclusive series talking to the possible picks and their partners for vice president. first up, j.d. vance. >> what democrats do is say well, he just believes this because he hates poor people. or he believes this because he hates black people. they really can't pull that with me. >> i don't know that anyone is ever ready for that kind of scrutiny. >> steve: plus, will cain talked to my wife's dreamy guy kevin costner. she loves that guy and so does most of america about his new movie and the future of america. watch this. >> public service really is about us. like going after problems in a very logical way are we looking at things broken for so long. >> steve: all right #. that's coming up and so much more. the second hour of "fox & friends" starts right now. >> lawrence: all right. buckle up. fox news alert. dhs secretary alejandro mayorkas is set to speak in tucson, arizona today on enforcement efforts at the southern border. >> ainsley: his visit comes after new cbp numbers show a massive spike in the criminal migrants that are entering the u.s. >> brian: david spunt is at the white house with mayorkas' stats. david? >> well, good morning, everyone. before we get to mayorkas' stats. let's get through to our fox news desk. brain room made up of research assistants and lawyers people that have been studying the border numbers for the past few years. estimate of illegal immigrants that crossed the southwest border since this president took office is just over 5 million people. now, the white house is over with new numbers out with new numbers this morning announcing that since president biden signed a proclamation earlier this month things are moving in the right direction. new dhs numbers seven day encounter has increed more than 40% to 2100 encounters per day. however, compare that with new cbp protection numbers it, shows the number of criminal immigrants attempting to enter the u.s. has spiked over 13,000 criminal non-citizens have attempted to enter the u.s. and apprehended by border patrol agents in fiscal year 2024. that's a rise from just 4,000 in fiscal year 2019. today homeland security secretary mayorkas will spend a day in tucson, arizona, is he expected to tout the president's proclamation and criticize congress for not passing laws related to the border crisis. but critics, as you guys know, say the administration got on board way too late. the administration should have paid more attention and taken action in january and february 2021. not june 2024. nbc news is out with a new report indicating dhs identified more than 400 immigrants who came to the trust central asia and elsewhere as subjects of concern why? they were reportedly brought by isis affiliated human smuggling networks about 50 remain unknown. the second suspect who authorities say crossed the border illegally and then killed 12-year-old jocelyn n nungaray n texas. his bail set at $10 million. the district attorney in harris county, which is houston, has not ruled out the death penalty for both suspects. back to you. >> steve: so david, the headline, is this is going to essentially preview what the president is going to say tomorrow night at the debate. when mayorkas is in tucson today, is he going to announce that ever since the new asylum restrictions, the number you have migrants coming into the country is down 40%, which is the lowest level of illegal crossings since joe biden took office. that's what they're going to say. but that's not what it seems like. >> it's not what it seems like and also, you know, since joe biden took office. that was three and a half years ago. and critics are going to point out probably the former president is going to talk about the border a lot at this debate tomorrow night at 9:00 p.m. about the fact this was not done in january and february and march and april of 2021. let alone, signing the proclamation june 2024. the white house is touting those numbers insist that those border numbers are down and those encounters are down. we will see what the secretary has to say down in tucson. >> lawrence: thanks, david. first of all, before we move. we got to talk about the dishonesty here. first, every single summer. because it's like 110 in texas right now. the numbers go down. it happens because if you are crazy enough to make the journey. you may die on the way. because of just the heat, there is not enough food. not enough water to take on the journey. number 2, decks is already still in texas. that's why the numbers are going up in california and arizona. i think it's dispond who are the biden administration to pretend like they are the ones bringing the numbers down. last point is you can't get across that all of the sudden that you wanted to bring up legislation in an election year. when you had four years to do it before and suddenly you're immigration policy is fixing the border? i don't think anybody is going to buy that especially when we have dead americans. >> brian: all right. so the numbers are 2400, down 40%. does that count the app. where can you sit there in ecuador and cross into another country get on the app. and flown in to west chester oar some place else? number two the most important pointed is. this joe, do you think this works? yes, i had to take action. do you know what you did? this is what did you three and a half years ago, undid the pressure we are tied central and south american countries not enforcing own border. first country step into. got rid of that have to apply for citizenship there stop building the wall on top of that then you told everyone you are helpless unless congress has acted. but you just showed you are not helpless. so what are you going to say to all those people and illegals that got through here. the number is 7.98 million encounters. close to 2 million got-aways, which means we have no idea what's going on. and when you say that the criminals, there is very -- percentage wise, there is less criminals, illegals among them than there are among americans. there shouldn't be one. because you allowed these criminals to come in to begin with. and some of these people we don't even know from countries that don't report. >> ainsley: border patrol has apprehended 13,000 criminal non-citizens this fiscal year alone. and that doesn't even include, doesn't account for the criminal aliens that slipped through or were released because the criminal background checks were unclear. and that includes the man accused of killing rachel morin, the one who was on a run. she was found naked and beaten and raped. the man who is accused of that, is a 23-year-old. his name is victor antonio martinez hernandez. he tried to get in four times. accaccused of of murdering somee in el salvador and then the case in texas we have been talking about, the 12-year-old who was killed. the suspects are from venezuela. and the country will not cooperate. they won't give us their criminal background. >> brian: they just give us their criminals. >> ainsley: don't know criminal background. mother of 12-year-old and the child's grandfather were on last night with sean hannity. listen. >> i want the nation all around the world to understand that she was a child, she was my child. she was my first born. she had admiration of dreams and aspiring goals that she wanted to do in life. she was going to make it. she was going -- she was going to do things. and these men, these illegal men took that opportunity from my daughter, from our family of watching her become this amazing person. this has got to stop. we have to stop burying our kids. this is not right. we have to have more reinforcement when it documents letting people in. this is not okay. not okay. >> like i have said before, you are not going to tell me that with an ankle monitor you are good to go. people you don't wake up one day and decide you are going to commit this who are risk crime. this is people that come used to doing this type of things. it's just sad that, i mean, it happens all over the country. we need a safer country. >> steve: the family is absolutely right. while mayorkas today, and biden tomorrow, are going to talk about how the numbers are down, now we have faces. now we have faces of 12-year-old jocelyn and other americans who were murdered. and undoubtedly donald trump is going to bring up the cases of individuals who were allowed into the country and wound up murdering people. we had talked a little bit about this over the last couple of days where one of these two men accused of abducting her and killing her under the bridge one them had the ankle monitor removed three weeks ago they finally figured out after the guy had been in the country two months. oak okay. he is not a criminal. he wasn't a criminal back there. the other guy still had the ankle monitor on. >> lawrence: took it off afterwards. >> steve: they hadn't figured whether or not is he a criminal. if there is any suspicion they are a will extra. why are we still letting them in? >> brian: absolutely. detained or turned around we don't know where you are. anywhere tajikistan you got to go. that's a terror haven. >> we see what he this are doing in a russian. we saw footage went under the bridge. one guy said i tried to get him to stop. he wouldn't. he just strangled her to death. then he went back to work. he said listen, i have got to go back home when they realized they had pictures of him and going to hunt him down. he went up to his boss. evidently he has a be jo. he went up to his boss can you lend me money to go back home? he said no. finally they caught up to him. >> ainsley: apparently under the bridge for two hours. she was struggling and he had scratch marks on his hands. >> brian: it was evident in the courtroom. >> steve: update, that particular guy who had asked for the day off. he had told his boss at the construction site, hey we were both of us were out partying last nights steve. >> lawrence: they were drunk. >> steve: somebody wound up dead. they admitted they were at this place where somebody wound up dead. >> lawrence: yeah. what a complete. >> ainsley: somebody wound up dead, a 12-year-old. steve. >> lawrence: i tried to get him to stop after they already raped the young girl 12 years old. the d.a. >> ainsley: do we know that for sure that they were raped? >> steve: no. >> lawrence: once there is evidence of the rape taking place. they are waiting for the rape kit. buns theonce they get it back. >> steve: loophole. only murder of kids under 10 makes it automatically a death penalty case. above 10, life without parole. unless they are extenuating circumstances. >> lawrence: which rape would be one. >> steve: or kidnapping. it's probably both. just waiting to figure out was one of the guys involved or was it both guys? >> brian: i don't want to have to pay for him to live another 50 years in our prisoners. 12 minutes after the hour. other thing kind of related to this is the debate coming up tomorrow. but, prior to that, unlike president biden, who is waiting for 10 days going behind closed doors at camp david. has a country to run. friday going to be in virginia. today he is going to be doing a meeting with black business leaders in atlanta leading up to the debate. >> lawrence: barber shops. >> brian: in detroit meeting in black church. goes to philadelphia on saturday. and you see what is he trying to do. trying to tell everyone in new york city. i know traditionally you don't vote for republicans. but i'm not traditional. and i want your vote. i want to hear what the issues are. >> lawrence: listen can you say whatever you want to say about the man. can you say you don't like the man, is he republican, all that stuff. >> brian: what's worse saying you are republican or you don't like the man? >> lawrence: probably both. you can't say he is not working for the black vote. i have never seen a republican. y'all been watching for me for years on the channel. i said go to the barbershop. go to filly. go to the bronx. go to where we are at. don't expect people that you want to solicit their vote to come to you. you got to go to their community. he has a message of -- and, you know, we were talking about the tips. the barbershop industry that make the majority of their money off tips. so you got a policy that he has put out there waitress staffs and all that. now he is going to go to all these black business owners. they don't work for a barbershop. they are their own individual business and saying listen, you got to skip out on taxes here right here. the majority of your money will not be taxed. i think it's a brilliant message. don't tell that to jim clyburn because he has another message for black america. >> steve: right. he, of course, is pretty much responsible for joe biden being president. he said this yesterday to the black community, of the black elders. he said they should try and talk to many sense into their children. i know what i had to go through. i know what i saw my parents going through. if i see and hear from a candidate that they want to bring bank back those indignities to the process. obligation to sit with these children of mine and say what the hell are you talking about? he went on to say the problem is with some of the younger black voters, there's a lot of misinformation and disinformation out there. and he went on to say that when donald trump says he done more for black people with the exception of abraham lincoln, clyburn says if you believe that, your parents should have sent their mule to school and kept you at home. >> ainsley: young black voters are concerned over the israel, gaza war. you see donald trump who says i was wrongfully accused of crimes and convicted. wrongfully. and he also supported the historically black colleges and universities. giving them $250 million per year. remember they were all -- the photo opportunity when they were all there around the president and when i was talking to tim scott, he said when he was critical of donald trump, after charlottesville, donald trump called him and said come to the white house. i believe that was at the white house. said come to the white house or come sit down and meet with me. he said tell me what i should do differently. tell me -- let's talk this through. i want to help the black community. what do we need to do? tim helped him work on the historically black college fund. >> lawrence: so interesting, brian, us as young people, especially black america respectful of our elderrers especially the experience they went through. cannot take that away. we continue to acknowledge that the difference is when it comes to a policy with the democrats, it's more of a traditional standpoint they are taking than what is actually benefiting us. when we look at our taxes, when we look at the fact that they were able to buy a house under donald trump. and now we can't do that, when we went to the grocery store -- we are talking about what is impacting us at the moment. not this historical aspect of it. and if he really want to go go deeper about the party of liberty. go way back before this generation. this past generation jim clyburn they were republicans. and they were for. so you have got donald trump that, is creating this new renaissance within the republican party. they never did this before. never did this in the modern daytime. reached out and said, listen, there is a place for you in the party. i don't think -- i think jim clyburn as smart as he is fearful of that he sees the writing on the wall. >> numbers are real 20 to 30%. younger male black vote is beginning to got republicans, and the former president has not backed off. he continues to amp it up and go. look at the crowds in philadelphia. look at the crowds in south bronx. look at how he was accepted in detroit. and we'll see. he is trying. number two is jim clyburn's parents were republicans. why weren't they they grew up in segregated south where the south was trying to keep blacks and whites from the same water fountains schools and restaurants everything. those were democrats. and the 60's switched with the civil rights movement. got it. lbj was president. democrat, true. republican votes in the congress that helped that civil rights legislation go through. and that -- that's where the debate is james clyburn would not be sitting where he is right now if president trump wasn't making gains. >> steve: just like the black community. young people, too. how half of the members of gen z, people under 30, half of them do not identify with a political party. and that is a big problem for joe biden and ultimately that's -- he is trying to appeal to them. there is a possibility there is an nbc story out that donald trump could name later today or tomorrow his vice presidential pick. today we have actually started a quick little profile of some of the top contenders and you are first up. >> lawrence: all of us have a candidate a vp contender. i had an opportunity speak with j.d. vance. here is a part of that interview. >> i think sometimes what democrats do, they say well, he just believes this because he hates poor people. or he believes this because he hates black people. they really can't pull that with me, flight because i grew up in a poor family. and i was raised in a working class community. i do think there is something just about my biography that makes it a little bit harder for these guys to attack me. maybe that's why they fear me. i go out and try to do the best i can. if they're afraid of me because of that. eyelet take it. >> lawrence: fears of democrats comes to j.d. vance. although they try to paint him as extremist. his story relates with a lot of poor minorities. he is just white. and he married his wife, who is hindu as well. and they have a diverse family. he identifies with the economic poverty, with a lot of americans. and he wants more for them. and so they don't want to see a guy on the -- although he is a white meacialtion is he not your traditional person that you can say is racist. that doesn't -- that is rich. and doesn't understand the people. >> brian: couple other things the thing that scarce me about foreign policy. that's where some of the republican party is right now doesn't really want to help out ukraine at all. doesn't see russia as a problem. sees china as an issue as if you can't have both i worry about that influence on the president because, as opposed to someone like marco rubio, who understands the president and his goals but also can explain to the president more effective way why ukraine matters. why eastern europe can't fall. and why some of these other things make sense, and he won over president trump's respect. i also read the "new york times" thinks that the kryptonite for the democrats would be marco rubio in pennsylvania. because of the latino vote there you win pennsylvania, you win the white house. also talked to somebody yesterday that says if you think the short list is just three people. i think you are wrong. as late as yesterday the president was talking big time about tim scott. >> ainsley: yeah. you heard that yesterday. he is one of the top? >> brian: came up in the preparations forever the meeting. how much the president likes him. >> lawrence: tomorrow or friday. >> ainsley: you got the first one j.d. vance. i went down to charleston on monday after the show and interviewed tim scott and his fiancee. she is precious. i think you will enjoy hearing the issues from him. what his plans are. and his relationship with donald trump. and he is such a strong christian. he sees this as -- at one point he wanted to be a pastor. then he decided to go into politics because he said i can make a difference. god can use me to make a difference. is he a senator in south carolina. and one of the contenders for v.p. he has a similar story to j.d. vance agree up with nothing. slavery a few generations back to senator. >> steve: that interview tomorrow. >> ainsley: yes. >> steve: meanwhile -- >> ainsley: hollywood icon, kevin costner, kathy's heart throb. >> steve: she just wrote me my wife t that he is dreamy. >> ainsley: new western movie the u.s. leadership and more. will got it all. >> leadership is -- we're in desperate need of that we're not in need of extension of careers. ♪ the only topical pain reliever with 4 powerful pain-fighting ingredients that start working on contact to target tough pain at the source. for up to 8 hours of powerful relief. new advil targeted relief. 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>> well, it's a great question. this is the fallacy of our vetting system we don't know who is come in lots of times home countries where these illegal aliens come from don't share information with border patrol officials so they have limited information and oftentimes at least under the biden administration, the policy is so simply release them into the country. that's why it's really important to detain individuals as they come into the country so he understand who they are before you release them into american communities and sometimes that vetting cannot occur in 10 minutes or 15 minutes that border patrol sees someone. sometimes it takes a lot longer. so you need to hold on to these individuals before releasing them. >> ainsley: is this a crisis that joe biden created? is that the policy when donald trump was in office? >> no. we -- you know, we took measures such as remain in mexico program and others to detain individuals to understand who they really were. you also have to deter the behavior, right? you have to slow the slow the flow of individuals coming across that border so that border patrol officials, law enforcement officials can do their job and understand who is coming across. what we have seen over the last three and a half years of the biden administration is their goal is simply to process individuals as quickly as possible. and so you turn border patrol officials from law enforcement officials to simply processing officials. and that's what they're doing today. and unfortunately, more and more individuals are coming into the country because we don't know who they are. we don't know where they came from and we don't know their intentions. >> ainsley: what happened to jocelyn perfect example. those two were from venezuela. we don't know if they have criminal background because venezuela doesn't cooperated with us and give us that information. yet, these two guys were allowed to come into our country. thank you so much, chad, for coming on with us. >> thank you. >> ainsley: hillary clinton dishing out debate advice for president biden. we are more interested in kellyanne conway wants advice and she is next. ahhh, there's nothing like a day out with friends. that's nice, but shingles doesn't care! 99% of adults 50 years or older already have the virus that causes shingles inside them, and it can reactivate at any time. a perfect day for a family outing! guess what? 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>> i sure have. i go every week. >> it's sticker shock, isn't it. >> i think cost increases including labor cost increases that firms -- grocery firms are experienced. although there may be some increases in margins. >> well, grocery prices are reportedly up 20% since president biden took office. i guess the official word, brian, it's not sticker shock, it's cost increases. >> brian: i blame those other guys just trying to gouge on prices. those horrible supermarket managers. thanks so much, carley. meanwhile, 23 minutes before the top of the hour. president biden spending one more day secluded in camp david before the presidential debate tomorrow night as president former president trump, preparation on the campaign trail and talking to close advisers like kellyanne conway, who just spoke to him yesterday. kellyanne conway joins us now hours from the big debate. how did you find his mind set? he has been through this some times before, but it's been four years -- three years. >> the debate stage is a natural habitat for donald trump. that's how he won the nomination in 2016, brian. he vanquished 17 other men and women who were vying for the republican nomination that year. in large part because of the debates. he had senator stage august 6th, 2015, in cleveland, and never lost that is based on polling numbers. and i think it's a natural habitat against joe biden for another reason. we have not seen these men shoulder to shoulder, side by side since the last debate. biden is returns to the scene of the crime. debate stage where he lied to we the people talking to his son about these business dealings. about burisma we know joe biden has no energy experience and no energy. we need answers ton that the 51 national security expertsd who lied on behalf of biden, he promoted that lie from a debate stage. look, president trump is ready, because he was the president. and when he was president, by every metric, the world was safer, the border was more secure. we, the people, were more prosperous and so on and so forth. biden in camp david i think it's been a big mistake for his staff to be giving interviews. dozens of them are there. feeding him answers. feeding him oxygen. it makes no sense. and i will tell you why. the president of the united states and the commander-in-chief, needs to act spontaneously with his or her advisers. when crisis happens. you can't artificialize and anticipate every chaos and crisis in a world in a way that he is doing to answer these questions. look, joe biden and his team may think they know all the questions, but donald trump has always the answers. i would like president trump to do a couple things tomorrow. one is let biden speak, because numbers numb biden's brain. when he speaks are we see for ourselves he is missing a couple of marbles, number two, and most importantly, be specific, give solutions, people want policy prescriptions. we the people are smarts. essential wisdom in americans. they expect and also accept long specific solutions. i just don't like the format, brian, two minute, one minute, we are supposed to solve the world's problems. they are trying to box trump in a little bit. a word here, a phrase there and make that the big headline. it's a too little too late for biden in this way. people have been watching him. different in 2020 where we didn't see him. we saw him on camera hiding in his basement. people are watching and they know what they seeing with their two eyes every polling metric they are worried about biden having a second term. >> brian: watched the debate last night to revisit find out what it was like 2020. number one watched him run out offing energy. called him a clown, told him to shut up. hush up. worst president ever. i couldn't believe it. i thought i was watching jamaal bowman. just for everyone at home. just going. in fox news poll. who do you trust to do a better job at? so biden gets plus 20 on climate change, abortion and healthcare. trump is big on immigration, big on the economy. big on the israel, hamas war. and other things and overall winning in every battleground state. but this is what i understand bothers the trump team and tell me if it would bother you if you were on that team. they worry it's going to be six topics. two of which are going to be pro--considered pro-trump. >> the other four are going to be pro-biden. they are concerned that they are going to get his two minutes, the question for the two minutes is going to be on january 6th. going to be on 2020 election. stuff that trump is going to talk about. then you get rebuttal. and another rebuttal. those are all things that trump doesn't benefit talking about. but if cnn has that ability to hurt him, they will. are they right to feel that way? >> they are trite feel that way. but this is donald trump. is he a game day player. is he ready for that debate stage and ready author those questions. how do we know? he has been asked them 'before. the cren harping on the same thing the last however many years. if joe biden can break out of a democratic party that seems to be defined by every day you wake up the date is january 6th, 202 is the date never changes. and jump in electric vehicle and go and get an abortion. sounds like the questions are oriented that way in making my point. president trump is ready to explain his position on abortion what he sees in 2024 for the nation. what it really means to be pro-life. but also what it means to be pro-choice. how about joe biden gets off the 39-week abortion nonsense of his party and comes even closer to where babies are being born in delaware, in kamala harris' california, 23 weeks, 24, 25 weeks. i think president trump should dare him that way. hey, joe, you are denying science. let's go. president trump is ready and president biden is the guy we see every day not ready. >> brian: listens to you and might be watching right now. also the senior trump official tell me they fully expect joe biden has the questions already and it doesn't even bother him. but they expect that. >> trump has the answers. >> brian: see you tomorrow night. ahead of his latest western hollywood icon kevin costner the one frontier left to explore. will cain is next with more from that interview. >> we have gone from sea to shining sea if you will. both coast. and now what is in between? 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>> every time i would read these scenes they had a ring of authenticity to me that yes, it must have been like that in some form. it's not a true story. but it happened a million times. >> you. >> will: you know i read a lot about the frontier. i read a lot about exploration. a lot of the guys were heroic figures. in horizon, a lot of the people in real life that pushed the frontier in america, normal, every day penal. looking for something in life. >> they were, you know, i'm in awe of the resourcefulness it took for people to open it up to go. this kind of thing in america where we can look at something, we can bend a river to our will. there is something resourceful. there is something resilient about how americans think what they can do. >> will: do you think that today in america we still have that ability to bend the river, to do heroic things? >> i do. i think the opportunity is better than ever to kind of take our future and to look at where we're at as a country, honestly. and try to understand that we can be proud of what we have accomplished. but, understand that anything -- we can really do a lot better. >> will: this was a little bit your frontier it seems like. not just a project you keep coming back to for decades. i understand, i mean, a lot of not just sweat equity but financing yourself. i have read you mort gaged a home. what have you sacrificed for this project horizon? >> i have certainly put a lot of money into this. i have certainly forgone my salary. but i don't know that i have sacrificed anything. it's not more important than any other movie. it's not more important than the field of dreams than dances with wolves. what's important is i have kind of kept faith with the how i want to tell stories. and sometimes they are about my country. and i want to look at it in an authentic way and entertaining way where you see yourself that you are drawn into it and you understand the sacrifice how hard it was for people before us. >> will: you say you want to tell stories about my country. i think anyone even from a distance can casually observe your career and say there is something quintessentially american about the choices that you make. >> yeah. >> will: baseball, the old west. >> i'm going to make a picture of apple pie, watch. >> will: what horizon represented to me thematic element of not just america but particularly the west in america. that's the edge. that's frontier, that's risk tolerance. >> think however these men just came and how long they have been at it. >> will: we still have risk tolerance and frontier in america. >> we have gone from sea to shining sea if you will. we have gone to both coast. and now what is in between? i think it wouldn't hurt at all this country continued to just look at itself and be honest with things and understand who -- understand what's important and it's not someone's career it's not someone's tenure. public service really is about us. i mean, are we getting -- are we getting the best attention? are we like going after problems in a very logical way? are we looking at things that have been broken for so long. >> will: the answer to that is a question is what type of leadership. >> that's right. right. and leadership is -- we're in desperate need of that. we're not in need of extension of careers. leadership, you know, the definition of a great leader probably -- won't be elected because he has done the right things to make enough people uncomfortable. >> will: who, to you beings is emblematic of a great leader? >> well, a lot of times you're judged so much later on. you think about lincoln for some reason. you know, if i could have dinner with a few people, he might be one of them. it would be to say no, you had a great presidency. i'm thinking that he -- you know, felt we don't know what that last moment was, but the night before, he was probably feeling like he had a failed presidency. there was everybody attacking him. there was everybody that was after him. and years later we think of him as one of our greatest, greatest presidents. and that kind of leader who just feels, you know, i ye yearn for that big thinking. >> will: you told a story with fox past couple years fox nation yellowstone 150. >> i remember when i got my first glimpse of the mountains. >> will: i know you signed a new deal with fox nation to do more stories. what kind of stories will you be telling with fox nation? >> i think they want to continue with the national park themes. when we get kind of behind the curtain about what really went down and you realize, you know, in that first -- that first one you realize a single individual kind of just went against the grain. he was the reason why we had our first national park. >> will: i can't wait to see what you do on fox nation. have fun today with horizon. thank you, kevin. >> thank you. >> will: so kevin's poured a lot into this movie, brian, ainsley, lawrence, steve, he has poured a lot of money and poured a lot of time. i think he has made a lot of sacrifices. we all know with the announcement with yellowstone. this is an important movie. horizon. can you tell those answers to me how important leadership is as well. he didn't tip his hand on exactly what type of leadership that he wants. but you can see that he yearns for something bigger, something grander when it documents leadership and the future for america. for our frontier. i love it, man. i love anything western. i love the old west. >> lawrence: me too. >> steve: and a lot of people love anything kevin costner. is he part of the fox family. check him out on fox nation. good job, will. thanks for going to california. >> will: thank you. >> ainsley: don't move. we have a big show straight ahead. ♪