that down the road. it will affect others as well. it will affect us and other you means. it will have profound impact on his economy. i don't know -- i know that he's in a position now to be able to invade almost assuming that the ground is frozen above kiev. he has the capacity to do that. what he's going to do? i don't know. i don't think anybody knows but him. >> the americans are there -- >> it would be wise to leave the country. i'm not taking about our diplomatic corps. i hate to see them got caught in crossfire if they did invade. there's no need for that. if i was there, i'd say leave. >> to chancellor scholz, what is germany doing to limit their reliance on russian gas? >> thank you very much for raising that question. gives me the opportunity to address an topic to me. on the strategy of fighting manmade climate change, germany has decided in a very short period of time to phase out of the use of oil and gas. but very soon and by 2045, germany will have a carbon neutral economy as one of the strongest economies of the world. with regard to these energies, heating and home and driving a car, but we're talking about industrial production, producing steal, chemical substances, cement and changing these industrial processes and re-organizing such systems is what we have planned. so this year we will continue to take far-reaching decisions that will help us to use more wind energy, offshore wind energy, on shore wind energy and solar energy and expand the capacities and the grids and have a strategy for germany. also worldwide on the use of hydrogen, which is a central element for us to change our industrial processes that are using oil and gas right now. the industry is willing to be on board. we're doing this together with them. it will probably be the biggest industrial modernization project in germany in 100 years with very good prospects that will develop new technologies that other partners in the world can use as well. this will help us fight climate change. by the way, the energy mix today we're talking about 1/4 of our energy that is linked to gas. part of that comes from russia. the other comes from the netherlands. it's important that we develop a infrastructure that will give us the opportunity to have all option as available and react if needed. so you don't have to be concerned. there are some who should be concerned that see themselves maybe too much as a deliverer of such resources. because we are focusing on renewsable energies, we will go down that path and make sure that this is the profitable future. >> mr. president, i would like to ask you a question about lng. germany and europe much more dependent on russian gas than 0 her regions of the world. and you promised european allies to help with lng. but this resource is more expensive. it's not available in the volumes that might be needed to replace russian gas. i liked to know how from you to help europeans in case of a conflict of russia. what can you do? in addition, the u.s. are buying oil from russia, billions of dollars. i would like to know whether these transfers that were part of the sanctions package against russia. mr. chancellor, liquefied natural gas, there's a big controversy in germany about fracking gas. how far is lng a real replacement or is it also with a view to the climate you intend to found, is it an alternative to russian gas? >> let me respond. first of all, we're looking at opportunities to make up for lost gas lng from russia. we're on the way of trying to see what we can do that right now and dealing with our friends around the world as well. we think we can make up a significant portion of it that would be lost. don't everybody forget here, russia needs to be able to sell that gas. and sell that oil. russia relies a significant part of their budget, that's the only thing they really have, they export. if it's cut off, they'll be hurt badly as well. it's of consequence to them as well. this is not just a one way street. so we are looking at what we can do to help compensate for loss of -- the immediate loss of gas in europe if it occurs. that's what we've been working on for some time now. >> i can confirm that we work closely with the united states of america and joe biden and i are working closely together as well. we are prepared for all kinds of situations and that's part of what we do when we say we prepare sanctions. that means we need to be able to react at any time. this is happening. with regard to the use of lng, i can say that the biggest volume of lng used a cross the world is gas. that is part of the debate. concerning a long-term perspective, we will modernize our economy. our switch over will happen faster than anybody thinks and create a brighter future for all of us. >> thank you very much. appreciate it. >> [question inaudible] >> the answer is yes. >> how? >> martha: listening to the very end there to see if the president took questions meeting with the german chancellor to try to shore up concerns over gas. so we've been watching this news conference going on i believe for the better part of an 20 minutes or so. germany has been facing a lot of criticism as we've been reporting for not being forceful enough with russia. did today's meeting do anything to change that? the fate of the russian pipeline as we heard in the first couple questis there. that pipeline to germany front and center at that news conference. we'll ask joni ernst about that. welcome. i'm sandra smith in for neil cavuto, this is "your world." first, more on what we just heard. jennifer griffin at the pentagon on russia's military build-up on the ukraine border. we'll get to jennifer in just a moment. but the news we just heard, it was something. the first couple of questions the president took about that pipeline carrying very essential natural gas from russia to germany, he was asked about germany's need to win back trust. he says that they have complete trust of the united states. there's no doubt about germany's partnership with the united states, none. he went on and this is making headlines to say there will no longer be nord stream 2 if russia invades ukraine. the conditions are that he said if tanks and troops cross the border. he was asked how since that is in germany's control. he said we will do it. mark? >> good afternoon. it was a short news conference but it was packed with a lot of information. let's start with the headline there. president biden saying that he has a strong relationship with the german chancellor and he believes that they're on the same page when it comes to deterring russia from invading ukraine. there will be sanctions from the u.s. and the u.s. allies including germany. we heard the german chancellor make that commitment. and then the other big item, nord stream 2 pipeline. this is a huge deal for germany's economy, for energy security and security. we heard was biden make it clear if russia were to invade that nord stream 2 would not go online. we also heard the german press pressing the new chancellor asking why is he not saying the same thing? he was saying the u.s. and germany will work in unison together. perhaps he was trying to walk a fine line with the german politics when it comes to this pipeline that is so controversial and very necessary for a lot of people in his country. we also heard this continued talk of sanctions is being done now before any potential invaccination could happen. the german chancellor says it's important because they don't want to be caught unprepared. they want to strike back where it hurts russia in their pocketbook. they did not detail which entities would be targeted. they said they're on going negotiations and they don't want to give their hand out completely. we heard was biden make it clear that he believes president but tin has yet to decide whether or not he's going to invade ukraine or not. there was an interesting question about the americans who may still be listing in ukraine, whether or not they should get out now or wait. the president says they should get out now god forbid there was an invasion. we've seen the embassy tell family members to leave. we've heard about the negotiations with the french and russian president putin. we'll see if president biden picks up the phone with macron later on this afternoon. the white house making it clear this invasion won't be tolerated. the germans said they're in agreement with them but walking the fine line when it comes to the pipeline. >> sandra: thanks. the first u.s. troops have a reid in poland. u.s. officials say russia has about 70% of the personnel that they need to invade ukraine. jennifer griffin with more. i can't help but listen in there. the reporters were pressing the german chancellor to confirm whether or not he and his countries stand with the united states on shutting down that gas pipeline, if there is indeed an invasion and what he said was the german chancellor, that we will act together. we're united. we will take the same steps and we'll be hard on russia. does that leave room nor some question whether or not germany would indeed allow the shutting down of that pipeline? >> i think it was a very clear statement, sandra. it's something that we've been reporting for some time from the moment when the german ambassador appeared on special reports with bre baier. if rush troops went into ukraine, the nord stream 2 may have been off the table. he may not have said the words "nord stream 2" but from what i just heard from the body language and from what the german chancellor said, there's no daylight between the u.s. and this very important nato ally. what you heard the german chancellor say is that we don't outline everything we will do because we may do more than taking nord stream 2, not allowing it to come online. nord stream 2 is not online yet. president biden was more direct as you mentioned. he said there will no longer be nord stream 2. the german chancellor said he was very clear with the united states. if the russian troops move in, there would be consequences in terms of the pipeline and more consequences and what meme didn't ask about or i didn't hear them ask about are the swift sanctions. that's something on the table. that is a very broad base of sanctions that congress here is putting together and it's very significant that on a day when the french president is meeting with put tin trying to give him and off ramp, that the german chancellor is here at the white house meeting with president biden. >> sandra: also the conditions the president was asked about for an invasion and then the shutting down of that pipeline. he said the conditions that would have to be met, tanks and troops crossing the border. i don't know if we ever heard it. obviously simple terms there to define an invasion. that's how the president phrased it just a moment ago, jennifer. >> very significant. we've been hearing from u.s. officials that what they will be looking at in the coming weeks, they expect and what the russian playbook has been in the past is some sort of a cyber attack, a potential trying to remove the ukrainian president, vladimir zelensky. these are all considered acts of aggression by the russian government towards ukraine. it's something that the u.s. national security council and officials are on the lookout for. they also are noting that with the very large build-up that continues with the active exercises in belarus with 30,000 russian troops in belarus, an unprecedented number of troops there, air force, the russian air force moving closer to ukraine's borders, the continued build-up of the number of troops there. the u.s. officials believe that russia and putin are still positioned themselves for a very large wide scale invasion that would involve tanks and troops. that's why you heard president biden said if the tanks and troops move in, nord stream 2 will be dead on arrival. i think what they're hoping is that putin will come around. there's reports that there's some members -- some russian generals that have expressed concerns about what would happen if russia invaded ukraine and how bloody it would be. an estimated 50,000 ukrainians could be killed. you're starting to see some cracks in the top levels of the russian military if these news reports are to be believed, the pentagon wouldn't comment on it when we had the press briefing with john kirby. but this is -- these next few days and few weeks, the window may be closing for diplomacy, but this is a full-court press and effort by nato to try to convince putin that this is a -- would be a huge mistake and that the allies stand united and that there will be significant consequences for vladimir putin and for russia if he goes forward with an invasion. >> sandra: jennifer griffin live at the pentagon. thank you. so the question does still remain, although it seems like we learned more a few seconds ago, does germany reliably have our backs in the fight. here's general liphold. did you hear what you needed to hear from the german chancellor, that they stand firm with the u.s. in this fight? >> i heard what you heard. they didn't make a firm commitment of what they'll do. they want to keep flexibility. at the end of the day, i'm going to flashback to 9-11. when we were attacked and article 5 was invoked, germany didn't not send combat troops. they send support instead. whether germany will stand with the united states as a nato member and make sure that russia is punished, i don't think germany is a reliable partner. >> sandra: we look like we're getting closer to a possible invasion here as the white house continues to detail. you think that diplomacy can work and putin can come around? >> i do think so. there's a number of opportunities for both side to stand back. putin needs to make actions where he's not reinforcing the troops and building them up on the russian border to ukraine and on the belarus border. he can to it. what struck me about the conversation we just saw between president biden and the chancellor from germany was the fact that almost half of it dealt with green energy issues. we have spent too much time sacrificing our national security to the green energy stuff when in reality today, you look at what we've done to our energy independence, which feeds in to our national security, which also could be bolstering germany right now and we can't because we don't have the capacity today. at some point while green energy may be in our future, we also need to look at the reality of what is happening on the ground. president biden was not doing that. >> sandra: appears that biden does see the nord stream 2 pipeline that carries that natural gas from western russia to northern germany, he sees that as leverage. he said if troops and tanks cross the border, they will shut it down and severe economic consequences. >> absolutely. >> sandra: do you take him at his word? >> i do believe he understands what kind of a large stick the nord stream 2 pipeline has. it's been a problem years in the making. let's not forget, this is not just germany that could have put a stop to the european continent being dependent on russian energy. russia can use it because they know they can continue to have energy needs on the european continent through germany that allow them to by pass ukraine, which allows them to conduct an invasion and bide their time knowing eventually the europeans will give in, accept energy from russia and they will be back at square one with that one and ukraine will be another satellite of russia: >> sandra: what about the president's comments that russia would suffer and their people would suffer if that happens? we know energy is the number 1 export of russia. there would be severe consequences for the people should that be shut down. >> i think the number 1 you'll consequence we have if we cutting off the oligarchs and putin himself from the international banking system. the swift measures. that's what's going to make a difference. i don't know who we're going to target and when but at the end of the day, they should feel a financial consequence that is literally going to drop them to their knees. we don't want to back the bear in to a corner. we want to make sure that they understand that there's opportunities for them to back out. there's diplomacy that can still work. the sanctions that can be put in to place will hammer their financial sector and their banking system as well as their economy. at the end of the day, all of those can be used to also rebuild and make sure that russia understands. if they back off and take a diplomatic ramp, there's opportunity to be able to have peace. >> sandra: a firm messive from you that the u.s. is trying to send to vladimir putin. thanks for your time. thanks for joining us. >> thank you. >> sandra: more on the russia show down with joni ernst coming up. and ahead of a key inflation report thursday, what does the maker of a major food company telling us today? 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he's calling on opec. the price of crude oil today, 91.32 is where it finished. there's an ftc investigation in to price gouging and pushing for more spending to lower costs. it's unclear how that will affect gas prices. i asked jen psaki if the administration is considering reconsidering the policies meant to discourage investment on oil drilling. listen. >> what about encourage investment in drilling in other places in the u.s.? >> the president's view, it's a huge advantage for us to be a leader in the clean energy transition. over the course of years around decades, we've been a clean energy super power because that's not just where the jobs are but the strategic advantage will lie in 20 to 30 years. >> so the answer is no on loosening regulations on fossil fuels. sandra? >> sandra: thanks, edward. tyson foods says today's demand hasn't been cooling despite a recent series of price spikes. as long as shoppers keep paying, will the grocery bills keep surging? will d.c. do anything about it? it's get more from brian brenberg. it's been the better part of a year that we have been seeing these price spikes. it doesn't seem to be getting any better. demand is not going away. doesn't that mean that higher prices are coming? >> it does, yes, sandra. demand is not going away. the "wall street journal" had a great article about people buying more bulk items going into 2022. they're not trusting that supply chains are getting fixed. people are getting more negative a this problem will ever get fixed and they're buying more. that is driving up demand. that will drive up prices. and the president and his team don't have any answers to this problem. they're still talking about spending. nonsensically in a world where spending is driving inflation. that's the only answer that they have. as edward said, they have no new ideas on energy. that's a huge driver here, sandra. if all we're getting is no answers on energy, no answers on spending and in fact, more spending and people not trusting this government to get it under control, we're going to see prices continue to rise. >> sandra: in the answer is to tap the strategic petroleum reserve, that's not a good one. we've done that. prices are now above as you heard me mention to bernstein there on a friday interview, prices are back up above that emergency move. so now you have consumers paying $3.44 as a national average. the prices have gone up about a buck over year over year, this is crude oil right now. firmly above $91 a barrel. when it comes to this energy picture, prices are global. we were not as dependent on foreign nations like we were a few years ago. now russia is the number 3 country that we're importing oil from, brian. how does this work? >> exactly. prices are global. but local actions matter. local actions in the u.s. matter. increasing supply, not giving russia the ability they have right now to dictate world affairs. the strategic petroleum reserve release did absolutely nothing, zero. it was complete window dressing. you heard the president again referencing that today talking about going back to opec for help. we have to stop going back to unreliable parties for our energy needs when we can do it here on our own. we're so backward right now. it's not just influening american consumers. at the heart of ate all, the leverage is energy and the reason things are going to move or not move with ukraine is going to come down to energy. >> sandra: look at the nord stream 2 pipeline. it was newsworthy when asked after he said that we will shut down that pipeline if putin invades ukraine, the follow up is how can you do that or say that? we will do that. if germany is not on board, they have control of the pipeline. he said we will stop it. how? he said we will. there was no exact plan detailed there. maybe they just don't want to share it. >> that's confidence aspiring. notice the german chancellor would not name the pipeline that tells me that i don't know how committed they are. >> sandra: they say they are. >> they say they are. but the guy won't name the pipeline. here's what happens. i'd rather be the seller than the buyer here. russia is the seller. germany is a buyer. lots of buyers for energy. where is germany going to go? they didn't build the reserves that they needed with us. near in the tough spot. i believe it when i see it. >> sandra: puts a squeeze on the rest of europe. there's a scramble to provide that lost energy to germany. we learned more just a few minutes ago. thanks, brian. thanks very much. >> good to see you. >> sandra: and energy security a major concern. we'll talk to joni ernst coming up. another smash and grab incident caught on camera. what more needs to be done to keep this from happening in? ♪ (delivery man) that's for you. 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retired nypd joe cardinelli joins us. that is awful. when does this crime stop? >> it stops when the d.a.s and the judges do their job. you cannot allow these criminals to go out and continue these crime sprees. this is organized crime at its best. all right? we have spoken about this so many times before. your last segment was the proof of the pudding. these are the -- what proof do they need other than -- are they fear mongers? i don't think so. these are dying people on the streets that their families have to live with this and the bail reform is to blame. the fact that they know there's a threshold that they can go to and not exceed that is great. that works to their favor, the criminals. in this case, i guarantee you they went over the threshold and still not being challenged. nobody cares about prosecution anymore. it's the big crimes when somebody does get murders. look what happens. they're led out with the bail reform. the bail reform needs to be readdressed in such a big manner that it's -- you can't wait for an election for this. you have an empty suit governor right now standing behind these das instead of getting on their case. anything you see on tv with them meeting with the president and the mayor is nothing but window dressing. >> sandra: we watched that over and over again. we watched that at that mall in westchester, new york. the security guard that stood and watched because, of course, they feel like their hands are tied, joe. >> absolutely. i don't know what it is in westchester, i don't know what the problem is in westchester with prosecution. but that happens all over. in l.a., happens in new york quite often now. who will challenge them? 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joni ernst joining us now. great to see you. you heard with the president of the chancellor had to say. what was your take away? speak of the take away as we really need to push the germans to join this allegiance and really push back against president vladimir putin. it's very important that we show strength through this. what i hear from the biden administration, from our president and the chancellor is that they are willing to impose sanctions after russia has invaded ukraine. we have all seen the public estimates of what will happen when russia invades ukraine. it's up to 50,000 deaths of ukrainians, that they could take the country within a few days. all of that is very, very dire. so we know that we need to show strength. let's push back. continue to encourage president biden to do that. >> sandra: when you said we needed to see germany joined the united states in this fight, do you believe they are not committed? they say they are. >> i believe they are committed to russian energy sources. that's what i believe. we need to move them away from that. the united states also has decreased our own self-sufficiency when it comes to energy and we do rely on russia as well. we need to move away from russia. we need to let them know that we are going to impose sanctions on the pipeline. we can help germany move away from their reliance. that's what we need to focus on. >> sandra: do you take germany at its word than the -- when the chancellor said they will stand with the united states in shutting down the speed pipeline? >> i believe at that point yes they will be for a student of the position of supporting nato and the united states. however their reluctance to engage in any sort of meaningful sanctions against russia at this point is absurd to me. once russia has invaded ukraine, those lives are lost. that territory is lost. there is very little you can do to get russia out of that area. look at crimea. look at georgia. they are basically saying between president biden and the chancellor is go ahead and invade. there is no way we can get you out of there. you're going to destabilize europe we are going to sit idly by and watch. >> sandra: senator, switching gears for a moment. you are seeing a rise in crime, we all are, across the country. as you take notice, you decided to introduce a bill to crack down on crime here we show the video of another and grab robbery in the northern suburbs, northern new york city in the suburbs of new york. what's your plan to crack down on this? >> it's been so discouraging. we see a lot of permissive policies coming from these progressive politicians. these liberal district attorneys. we see this rise in crime, not just crime but violent crime. sexual predators, child pornographers, we need to make sure we are cracking down rather than allowing it to happen. my bill would increase penalties for these types of violent crimes, those that pre-owned children under the edge of 12, those that are child pornographers. we need to go after them and include stiffer penalties. we can't allow these types of things to happen across the united states. again, it comes back to this administration, the policies that they are enabling, it's allowing so much of this to happen all across the united states. >> sandra: do you think democrats are waking up? they are seeing polling in crime and people don't feel comfortable, don't feel safe in their own cities and towns. all of a sudden you're hearing some mirrors of democrat lead cities like new york and chicagn crime. or it would appear so. >> you have heard the president. federal funding to help hire back police officers. i'm sorry but these are the same folks that were engaged in the d phoned the police movement in the last several years. now they are facing the consequences. >> sandra: senator joni ernst, appreciate you joining us. a lot of news to cover. appreciate your time. great to see the senator. using newsday indeed. the news conference wrapping earlier this hour. we had full team coverage of it. coverage will continue on the fox news channel. thanks so much for joining us. that will do it for us. i'm sandra smith. thanks for joining us today and you can catch john roberts and me weekdays 1:00 p.m. eastern time for america reports. see you again tomorrow. thanks much for joining us here on "your world." 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