feel. whether they would support trump or biden. this is not a popular choice for, you know, much of america. it's not an enthusiastic choice. you see the basis of both parties really, you know, obviously resoundingly electing trump and trying to do with their standardbearers in but we see that a lot of the country is quite frankly find this choice not palatable going into november. little want a 2020 round two, you know, there was really a 120 b. some new blood. but we saw that the new labels -- obviously did not work. now there is a third choice after choice seems to be our okay junior or he is a choice and you can certainly stand to be it's boiler. i think a lot of it -- and we don't really know who he would pull from a conventional wyndham says he might pull from -- hurt kellyanne in the long run as opposed trump but we're also seeing polling that shows he will hurt trump. so he is a wild card obviously. >> sandra: really interesting and receive the lack of enthusiasm for the

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