those are the kind of words we should be using. >> martha: dimitri paskov was asked if he would rule out nukes. watch this. >> we have a concept of domestic security. it's public. you can read all the reasons for nuclear arms to be used. so if it is an existing threat for our country, then it can be used in accordance with our constitution. >> martha: pretty clear, general, from dimitri paskov. >> sandra: it's brinksmanship. there's no threat in ukraine for sure. but could they make it out to be? they want us to believe that. there's probably -- likely many