play games like that was literally with asad in syria. they would use chemical weapons when they couldn't conquer areas they wanted to conquer. they want to get to kyiv and they can't get there. this is the prelude for him saying he will use chemical weapons and wipe the people out. i saw what chemical weapons can do. it's a horrific death. you're choking on your own fluids. it's horrendous and takes everything to a new level if he uses chemical weapons. biden and his administration need to say that. >> martha: that's the next question. how do we stop him from doing that. what kind of ramifications does he need to understand what would be put in place if we see that warfare. >> this shouldn't just be a biden situation. this should be an alliance