of state department duties and that's what a lot of this is about what these people. if he was onto something, and i know you believe he is onto something, why shouldn't he still be a part of the process? >> well, the president makes that decision and one of the things, that you are exactly right on, is that many of the people you're going to see next week, what they are most mad about is that they were being circumvented by ambassador volker, by ambassador sondland, by rudy giuliani, and look, the reason that it's very clear that you were hinting at, rudy giuliani was representing the president while he was under investigation by robert mueller and the special counsel. if the origins of much of what was in the steele dossier that has been given to the fbi, originated in ukraine. it was paid for by the democrats. it's so giuliani has every right and responsibility to be over there trying to figure out who these ukrainians are. >> martha: okay. it sounds like that's not